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Brian De Palma on Redacted: The RT Interview
A chat with the helmer of the controversial war film.
by Tom Toro | November 15, 2007
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Brian De Palma, Toronto Film Festival 2006 Brian De Palma fans beware: his most recent film will make you think that the veteran director has -- to borrow a line from Full Metal Jacket -- been "born again hard." Redacted is a war drama centered on the rape and murder of a fifteen-year-old Iraqi girl at the hands of American soldiers. Based on true events and told in documentary fashion, the movie uses a collage of digital media to portray the heinous crime up-close and personal, giving audience members every reason to look away but also, by doing so, asking us why it's taken so long to cringe.

De Palma's film presents the conflict through every facet available to us, the civilian viewers. His patchwork story expertly addresses the Iraq conflict on its own terms, using the war's own visual language: a soldier's video diary is interwoven with a French documentary about military check points, which gets mixed in with Arab TV broadcasts, security camera footage from the army base, internet blogs by wives of the enlisted, webcam chats, recordings of judicial inquisitions, clips posted online by terrorists, YouTube rants, and a slew of still images (which ultimately give real-life footnotes to the fictionalized events). The complex style of Redacted feels like a Google search for "Iraq, war crimes." This hyper-abundance of accessible media shows that the horrifying war is not just taking place on the ground in Iraq, but also, literally, in the terrain of cyberspace; a place where everyone with a homepage is a resident, and where the rules of engagement are still being written.

Yet despite this daring strategy, the response to Redacted has been ambivalent. Critics, who currently give the film a 57 percent Tomatometer rating, point to flaws in the dramatic logic and a few misjudged performances. But similar problems plague most movies, and these mistakes do not detract from the emotional impact of Redacted or tarnish the film's craftsmanship in any way. When was the last time you saw a movie with a fifteen-minute shot, handheld, at night, that exposes the true nature of every main character? To disparage Redacted for technical reasons is to miss -- or, perhaps, to willfully avoid -- its rich, textured, and honest depiction of how the Iraq war is being waged for an audience.



Checkpoint tedium in Redacted


In short, De Palma has made a movie that could only exist in the 21st century, about a war that could only be waged in the 21st century. Whatever missteps in direction he has taken do not indicate a flagging talent but instead reveal that, in this warp speed wireless world, the direction has yet to be defined. If we don't fully understand Redacted -- in other words, if it's a difficult film for us to read -- then that's because the narrative language remains incomplete. But by risking a new filmmaking vocabulary, De Palma has begun to create the cinetax.

Rotten Tomatoes recently spoke with Brian De Palma about modern warfare, surfing the web, and how video games might just be the vanguard of storytelling.


People who attend Redacted expecting to see a "Brian De Palma film" are going to be surprised by how different it is from your previous work -- I certainly was. What about this subject matter made you alter your style so significantly?

Brian De Palma: I discovered the form while I was researching the material. I was approached by HDNet to make one of their 5 million dollar movies, on anything I wanted. The only requirement was that it be shot in high definition, and I thought that was great, if I could figure out something that would work best in that medium. When I read about this incident that was so similar to the events in Casualties of War (1989) I did some research on the internet and I came up with all these unique forms where people were expressing themselves in relationship to this incident, and the war in general. That became the shape of the movie. It was a unique way of presenting the material in a format that was interesting to me because it's a whole new way of creating a storyline in this kind of fragmented mock-documentary. My initial idea was to use as much real material as possible, but of course the lawyers told me I couldn't use it because it was too close to the real case, so I was forced to fictionalize everything. I relied very much on the characters in Casualties of War, not knowing much about the actual soldiers except for the prime instigator. There wasn't much information about them. They were all being prosecuted while I was making this movie.



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Redacted rings very strongly of truth, so even if you had to change the facts, it's one of those stories that's very familiar to people who get up every morning and read the headlines. But it goes much further than that, with all the different points of view that you include, each with its own voice. How did you develop this tapestry?

De Palma: It all emerged from my research. My first task was to get the news stories about the actual case, but since I couldn't use the real news stories I had to fabricate ones using international correspondents who were in Amman, where we shot. So I basically duplicated the original news stories. That was the beginning. Then I read somewhere about this Los Angeles-based Spanish-American filmmaker making a movie from his war diaries to get into NYU Film School -- that was based on something I stumbled upon on the web. I realized that this could provide my principle narrative. And, of course, that idea also comes out of the documentaries I looked at where there were soldiers with cameras recording what's going on, because everyone has a camera over there. I saw all that in the documentaries. Then the attitudes, and the feelings, and frustrations, and the passion about the war, all those were expressed in the soldiers' blogs, and in many independent documentaries that I looked at. So the principal narrative form came from Salazar's personal diary.

Then I had all this information I had to convey about what happens at check points, because this particular unit was on a checkpoint and that's where they saw the girl going in and out every day. There were many, many news stories about accidents at check points and how many people were killed all the time. So I had to present all that information, and I also wanted to slow the movie down. Being deployed in Iraq is incredibly boring most of the time, but then it's punctuated by incredible, crazy violence from out of nowhere. I had to slow the movie down. That's why I created the mock French documentary -- very elegant, Handel music playing from Barry Lyndon -- it slows everything down, and it gets all the statistics across about what happens when people go in and out of check points.

The pacing of the movie was extremely effective, with how you gradually build tension for the frantic violence that happens later on. It sounds like your research process was a micro version of what historians will have to do when they look back on this conflict years from now, in terms of synthesizing a gigantic amount of very specific information.

De Palma: That's what surprises me about the people who are shocked by Redacted, or the portrayal of the soldiers, or the pictures at the end of the film -- all this material is out there! It's like they assume I dreamt this up. It's all there. The problem is, it's not in your mainstream media, so nobody knows about it. But if you get on your Google search engine and put any of these things in, you'll come up with all the same devices that I used, including something like the rant of the protestor. That's one of the few things we were able to buy, actually. That was somebody's rant. We actually bought the rights to that, and I just rewrote it to be played, and the best person to do it was Abigail Savage. But that's an actual rant.



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It's shocking because it's so familiar, but it's the stuff that you subconsciously try to forget about, you don't want to pay attention to it.

De Palma: I think not many people are doing the kind of research that I was doing. They're watching, you know, what happens to Britney when she takes her daughter to some play group. Those are the kind of things that dominate the web, and YouTube, and whatever. You have to dig a little deeper. But all of this stuff is out there.

There have been other films recently about the Iraq conflict, such as Jarhead and The Kingdom, but you've very intentionally and very effectively adopted a completely different perspective from those: the documentary perspective. Do you feel like a documentary style, for the nature of this war, is the best method for examining it?

De Palma: That's something that I discovered. It's not like I had a plan. In the process of researching I came up with all these unique ways of expression that are completely indigenous to the web. Nobody's ever seen this onscreen before. I have another idea to put in this form, but things have changed in the last six months since I wrote it! There are even newer forms that people have not seen yet. There's all of this new media going on. It's very interesting to tell these types of contemporary stories in this form.

Straight-forward narrative filmmaking essentially would have been Casualties of War, but there's no point in doing that again. I was quite happy with the different forms that I came up with when I researched the material. And who knows; this may be one experimental film that comes and goes, and we move on to whatever. But I feel that there's something here, in Redacted, and I want to experiment with it more, because it's the way that I've noticed my daughters take in information. They're sixteen and eleven, and they sit on their beds with their computers on their stomachs and they browse from thing to thing to thing to thing to thing. They don't go to the theatre and sit down and watch O'Neil for five hours. That's not how they're getting their stories told to them. So, I don't know where it's going, but it's certainly changing.

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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 15 2007 05:31 AM

Am I the only who is completely shocked by this interview. This Tom Toro guy is just as crazy as Brian Depalma. Look at what he said. "its rich, textured, and honest depiction of how the Iraq war is being waged for an audience." Is this suppose to be a joke? Yes, this incident actually took place and the men involved have been charged and sent to prison. So, if a couple of soldiers rape a 15 year old girl that means that the entire military is raping 15 year old girls? I am sick of this propaganda bull****."all this material is out there! It's like they assume I dreamt this up. It's all there. The problem is, it's not in your mainstream media, so nobody knows about it." Trashing the war isn't mainstream media? Where has this guy been for the past 6 years? God forbid CNN of the New York Times reports on the surge actually working or the navy seal who received the medal of honor for sacrificing his life for his men. I would rather see a movie about a navy seal kicking some insurgant *** and sacrificing his life. I don't know if Brian DePalma realizes that his movies is going to be shown to terrorist. This kind of propaganda is going to get soldiers killed. There is no doubt in my mind about that. This **** is used against us by our enemies. There is a serious problem with hollywood depicting a false reality of war. And its not right. I hope to God the rest of the people reading this interview agree with me.

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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 15 2007 05:31 AM

Am I the only who is completely shocked by this interview. This Tom Toro guy is just as crazy as Brian Depalma. Look at what he said. "its rich, textured, and honest depiction of how the Iraq war is being waged for an audience." Is this suppose to be a joke? Yes, this incident actually took place and the men involved have been charged and sent to prison. So, if a couple of soldiers rape a 15 year old girl that means that the entire military is raping 15 year old girls? I am sick of this propaganda bull****."all this material is out there! It's like they assume I dreamt this up. It's all there. The problem is, it's not in your mainstream media, so nobody knows about it." Trashing the war isn't mainstream media? Where has this guy been for the past 6 years? God forbid CNN of the New York Times reports on the surge actually working or the navy seal who received the medal of honor for sacrificing his life for his men. I would rather see a movie about a navy seal kicking some insurgant *** and sacrificing his life. I don't know if Brian DePalma realizes that his movies is going to be shown to terrorist. This kind of propaganda is going to get soldiers killed. There is no doubt in my mind about that. This **** is used against us by our enemies. There is a serious problem with hollywood depicting a false reality of war. And its not right. I hope to God the rest of the people reading this interview agree with me.

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DarthRage
DarthRage writes:
on Nov 15 2007 05:57 AM

The movie was on HDNet yesterday, total garbage. It wasn't even a good war movie, just preaching to the world that America is a nation of rapists and murderers. The worst part was how he tried to make it appear as a documentary. Must have been his pathetic ode to that useless piece of human trash M Moore. What a great recruiting tool for Al-Quaida.

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Jen Yamato
Jen Yamato writes:
on Nov 15 2007 10:28 AM

I think it's easy to miss the point on this film. Tons of people who saw it at festivals couldn't get past the form (mixed media, faux documentary, news reports, home videos, etc.) long enough to really think about it. Yes, it is decidedly anti-war. But to let the fact that it has a bias -- like every film, book, and piece of art does -- immediately close your mind to the film, obscures your exposure to how De Palma is experimenting with cinema and ideas.

Of course you hated it, DarthRage. First of all, your name is DarthRage.

Kinghlg, where to begin. I assume you haven't seen the film you're so passionately trashing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


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cmonsteve
cmonsteve writes:
on Nov 15 2007 10:45 AM

looks like we got a couple of fresh recruits...i say sign up and ship off, no need to rush we'll be there for years.

and as far as this film being a recruiting tool for terra-ists, right, like any iraqi needs extra motivation to kill the occupiers after abu garib. i've got friends and family serving over there right now, and the last time my cousin was back, he just drank and cried...


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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 15 2007 10:52 AM

In reply to this comment (#1278341)
No I have not seen the film. There is no way I am paying to see this movie. I might steal it once when I can get it on bit torrent. And what exactly is your point going to be? I have seen Platoon. I have seen Casualties of War, Apocalypse Now, Born on the 4th of July, The Deer Hunter, Fahrenheit 9/11, Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, Rendition, Tigerland, My issue is the false reality that these movies portray. These movies show the average movie watching American that war and the military are bad. And the media nowadays is not helping anything. They want this war lost and they will do anything report it that way. I am sick of it. And please explain to me what the POINT of this movie is. Since its so easy to miss it.

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Jen Yamato
Jen Yamato writes:
on Nov 15 2007 11:15 AM

In reply to this comment (#1278350)
I'd really like for you to figure it out yourself. It's more enriching that way. But watch it, then I'd love to talk!

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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 15 2007 02:01 PM

In reply to this comment (#1278394)
No. I am not going to watch it. I want you to tell me what the point of this movie is. It must be something great because you make it sound like I am not capable of understanding the point. How deep can this movie be. Just answer the question please.

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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 15 2007 02:19 PM

In reply to this comment (#1278345)
It's a shame you feel that way. Especially since you have friends and family serving in Iraq. What is wrong with you? You bring up Abu Ghraib as if it a reason for these people to kill our troops. Do you remember what these people did to the hostages they took a few years ago. THEY CUT THEIR FREAKING HEADS OFF!!!! and you bring up an incident that involved only seventeen soldiers beating up some prisoners of war. Everyone knows that what those soldiers did was wrong, but you and people like you only deal in generalizations and absolutes. And anyone who supports this film and I can assume from your comment that you do, should be held accountable for supporting the killing of our troops. You really don't understand how serious this is. This film, along with other America hating films WILL be shown to our enemy. It's called propaganda and you are a victim of it.

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Ashron
Ashron writes:
on Nov 15 2007 03:38 PM

I hesitate to jump into this, but what the hell. You talk about people dealing in generalizations and absolutes, yet you claim to already know exactly what this film is about and what the point is without having even seen it. Me senses a little pot calling kettle action going on here.

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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 15 2007 07:20 PM

In reply to this comment (#1278971)
I don't claim anything. I KNOW what the movie is about. I have heard Brian De Palma say what the movie is about. Brian De Palma himself has said what the purpose of this movie is. Watch some real news or read something. It's not that hard.

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Elixor
Elixor writes:
on Nov 16 2007 05:55 AM

Would you care to explain your false reality claim?

It sounds to me like this movie is depicting some negative aspects of the war and your upset because you believe that these negative aspects are going being extrapolated out to become a view of what America is and/or what its soldiers are all like. This sort of thing happens when movies are made about the positive or negative aspects of any topic or subject. It can all be used as propaganda, but it doesn't mean that the movies shouldn't be made. I think that you have a valid point about movies and other coverage about America and its soldiers becoming increasingly more negative. More balance should occur, but exposures to the positives and negatives should both occur. Movies like this shouldn't be stopped because the could be used as propaganda. Movies generally take a positive or negative stance and can always be used as propaganda to either side. I'd like to see both sides. Sounds to me like you want to just see positive propaganda. Once again, I agree with you that we're seeing much more negative than positive views in movies lately. Which side of the issue we as viewers need to see more of is an opinion that's going to vary from person-to-person.


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kinghlg
kinghlg writes:
on Nov 16 2007 09:36 AM

Thank you for understand most of point. I didn't mean to use the term false reality to specifically describe this film. But even though this movie depicts factual events it will still encourage people to believe that this bad behavior goes on all the time. And it doesn't. And I can't place all of the responsibilty of teaching society the truth on hollywood, but we all know that the news isn't doing a very good job of that. These guys completely have to right to choose what kind of film they want to make, but Brian De Palma is no stranger to this bad behavior. Do you remember Casualties of War. The story of Redacted is almost identical. Brian De Palm has an agenda. He has said it himself. Let's get back to this false reality thing. Why do you think that most of society believes that the government and the military are hiding alien technology, or that the FBI, CIA and NSA are wire taping everyone. Most of society relys on basic media for their information. Someone who doesn't watch credible news or reads a credible newspaper will watch a thousand movies that depict the military or the government as the bad guy. It's everywhere, just open your eyes. You will find it in the most unlikely movies. And your probably saying to yourself that no one in their right mind can believe what they see in a movie. But your wrong. Over time, the average moviegoer will develope a crazy politicial viewpoint without even picking up a newspaper. No offense to anyone on here, but most people aren't too bright. Thats why the media can get away with this false depiction of the truth, because they know that most people will fall for it. But I am happy to see that alot of people have rejected this movie and others like it. That gives me hope for the future. I'm sure everyone can tell that I am a supporter of the war and our troops and I am also a supporter of Mr. Bush, and it doesn't bother me that much that people hate President Bush. Hate Bush all you want, but leave the troops alone. Our military will take care of the bad ones. These soldiers who raped that poor girl have been dealt with. The story has been reported many times and these people are now in prison. But don't comment on here telling me that a director who obivously has an agenda to spread a bad word is JUST making a movie about a factual event. He is making this movie to make a point. And his point is false and despicable.

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Johnny Rainbow
Johnny Rainbow writes:
on Nov 16 2007 09:45 AM

What the hell? Aren't interviewers supposed to at least pretend that they're objective?

And to address the third paragraph, a lot of critics seem to feel that the acting in the faux-documentary parts isn't good enough to convinve you that you're not seeing a faux-documentary. How do you back up your claim that the performances are "misjudged?" How can you claim that most movies suffer from "flaws in the dramatic logic?"


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slapy101
slapy101 writes:
on Nov 16 2007 02:00 PM

This movie is total garbage. This wasn't even as good as a sci-fi original. De Palma, go back to film school if this nonsense is the best you can do. The movie was a mess and I'm quite sure you found those "actors" doing dinner theater in Green Bay.

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justice_rehnquist
justice_rehnquist writes:
on Nov 16 2007 06:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#1277640)
Kinghlg, you wrote "This kind of propaganda is going to get soldiers killed. There is no doubt in my mind about that. This **** is used against us by our enemies." You also mentioned that anyone who supports this film needs to be held accountable for the deaths of our soldiers.

Where is the evidence that De Palma's film is going to cause soldiers to get killed? And by a moviegoer paying to see this film, such moviegoer should be held accountable for the deaths of our soldiers?

Kinghlg, I support De Palma's choice to make this film and any other film he chooses to make. I find your comments above to be unreasonably inflammatory, unfounded, and motivated by feelings of powerlessness and victimization. Thankfully, filmmakers will continue to make films that people find offensive and disagreeable, and that anger political conservatives into using film forums like Rotten Tomatoes to vent their increasing frustrations and feelings of incompetency.

My advice to you is to calm down, turn off Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, cancel your subscription to National Review, and refrain from making such utterly irresponsible remarks.

In the end, "Redacted" is just another piece of film entertainment. Grow up and get over your conservative righteousness - I'll gladly send a copy of "Redacted to the suspected terrorists and insurgents - just provide me with their addresses.


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dawson81
dawson81 writes:
on Nov 16 2007 07:48 PM

The problem with this movie is not that it was made. It is WHEN the movie was made.
You wanna make this kind of treasonous garbage, you have the right to make it. Atleast have the decency to wait until said war is over though.
These acts occured and they were horrible. Guess what though. As Americans they were tried ,convicted, and punished for what they did. I am sitting in Iraq as I write this so unlike most of you idiots I actually have a clue what is going on here. I don't have to watch garbage films or listen to MSNBC and that scumbag Harry Reid. If I had been present or had any prior knowledge of these events or even seen the Soldiers that did it I could easily put a bullet in their head and not lose sleep over it. There will never be an excuse for what they did.
Please spare us anymore talk about Abu Garib. A few soldiers smacked around some detainees and made some stupid pictures. Bottom line is you have no ideal what happened there and you obviously don't have the stomach to come to Iraq and find out for yourself.
To those of you who are truly so naive as to think that films which portray US Forces in a negative way are not used as propoganda and recruiting tools for our enemies. Take your heads out of the sand and try to get a clue how War and propoganda work.
kinghlg thanks for your support.


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Phil3355
Phil3355 writes:
on Nov 17 2007 11:47 AM

your wrong.

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julianerik
julianerik writes:
on Nov 17 2007 06:40 PM

If films like DePalma's aren't allowed to be made then the terrorists have won. Oh yeh Dawson wait till the war is over in ten years when another 200 thousand Iraqis and countless US forces have been killed in a pointless war of aggression and imperial conquest. Dawson81 I don't care if you serve. Just because someone is willing to risk there life doesn't mean they deserve endless praise, like everyone else they have to justify the killing they partake in not just assume the higher ups are morally just and follow any orders.

Dawson81 how does propaganda work? Terrorists have regular screenings of anti war polemics, do they, at which point they draw what conclusion, that both their actions and the actions of those trying to kill them are pointless. The machine of war destroys lives, particularly because those involved, as is the nature of war, have little time to reflect on the bigger picture like what is the F>**ing point of all this! Why are we here?! What is actually being achieved?! Why do all these people have to die isn't a question many people on either side get to ask when they're busy trying to kill and avoid being killed.

By the way the only thing the war has achieved so far is to create a whole new generation of young muslim men who feel like the US is an imperial power bent on destroying their lives. How do you think they are going to respond, it's well documented that the "war on terror" more like the "war on freedom" has actually augmented the levels of terror in the world. If you don't win hearts and minds you don't win full stop. If you kill someone's family, or destroy their house, or take away their job they're unlikely to consider you an ally.

Don't invade someone's country and expect to be greeted as liberators. What if someone invaded the US toppled the government and said 'now we're gonna tell you exactly how you're gonna do things'. Every American with a gun would become an insurgent. Have a little empathy.


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dawson81
dawson81 writes:
on Nov 17 2007 07:01 PM

In reply to this comment (#1284507)
At what point did I ask for praise or in any way imply I am better than anyone. All I said was don't sit at home in your nice little comfort chair watchin TV and act like you have some idea what the Hell is going on 6000 miles away. Its easy for you to sit there with your " War doesn't achieve anything and why can't we get along and stop slaughtering thousands of Iraqis" attitude.Fact is you don't know Sh##. If you really give a damn about the Iraqi's then come over here and do something to help them.
F**k you and your empathy. I empathize with the guys/ gals who are here on the ground sacrificing to make a difference here. What have you sacrificed? A few min. on the computer.
Try taking the time to see how Iraqi civilians have been killed by US Forces and how many have been killed by Insurgents.
One last thing. You may not care that I or anyone else serve but we will be here anyway.


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