Weekly Ketchup: Johnny Depp to play Tonto in The Lone Ranger

Summary

The villain in this summer's The Incredible Hulk was the Abomination, and that sums up a lot of what is going on in this week's Ketchup. There's one great bit of casting news to start us off, but from there, and a couple of possibly interesting projects, but for the most part, get ready for lots of sequels and remakes. Back to Article

Comments

Random_Jake

Joshua Mills

Wow you people are really long winded.

Sep 27 - 08:40 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

What do you mean by "you people", is that because my great-great grandmother was 1/32 pure blooded Hunkpapa Sioux on her mothers side?

Sep 27 - 09:30 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Someone always has to ruin a perfectly good rant with their damn logic and facts :)

Sep 27 - 09:16 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

What do you mean by "you people", is that because my great-great grandmother was 1/32 pure blooded Hunkpapa Sioux on her mothers side?

Sep 27 - 09:30 AM

7thhell

jason johnson

Can somebody please tell me what the hell tomwaitsjr is talking about?

Anyways, The Lone Ranger sounds interesting.

Sep 27 - 09:38 AM

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

Greg Guro

I'm talking to you 7th hell,
and what I do to you when you are sleeping so gently,
what with the ether and all.

Sep 27 - 06:40 PM

preyer

terry barker

'Name one Indian(I use the term not to be derogative to those peoples, but because personally I find the term Native American offensive to myself and my ancestors who were born of this country and fought, scraped and bled to make it the great nation it is today and noone elses white hippie delusions and guilt is going to make me think different) actor who has the credability, name recognition or BO history of Johnny Depp.'

i can't because that person doesn't exist. and for the record, i don't feel any more guilty for what happened to the indians any more than i feel the need to provide reparations to blacks even if their ancestores were slaves. you don't like america, then here's your ticket back to the motherland. enjoy your third world country. perhaps the african chiefs shouldn't have sold their own population, eh? otherwise i'm sick of hearing about it. you know, i'm sure my ancestors were screwed at some point in history, too, but it lead me to where i am now, so i'm not complaining. sure, we more than screwed the indians and still do, but i personally didn't do anything. it's not like i was there hanging 38 sioux to be able to protest the predictable reactionary response to both those we were genociding and those forced to keep the peace through execution. some people at the time considered it a war, and in those archaic terms, you fight wars to win. history tends to paint the aggressor as evil anyway. it's not overly shocking that an expansionist government treats an indigenous, sometimes war-like, population they way we did.

me, guilty? no. it's just a shameful part of our history, a history most if not all superpowers have to claim they did themselves, sometimes even to themselves. the whole logic here is suspect anyway: had we not come along, tribes would war with one another, would slaughter and control those it was victorious over. in other words, some tribes would have done essentially what happened to them just on a smaller scale. in this regard, indians are hardly any more meritorious than any other people in the world. a lot of this whole thing is about perception, that a proud and noble race was just sitting around when wham! out of the blue comes foreigners and kills them all for no reason. i'd wager that had things not changed for them in the last two hundred years then they'd have killed as many and probably more of their own race through their own warfare than we thought possible.

anyhoo....


'Better yet name for me one full blooded Indian actor without using statements like "That one guy from Dances with Wolves" or "That kid from Windtalkers"...googling it is cheating as well. The simple truth is Indians and Indian actors make up such a small portion of the overall population that it becomes necessary to cast people of mixed or completely different races in order to insure a quality product/'

exactly. some asians were up in arms over casting good-looking white people for '21,' which was based on a true story whose real life participants were asians. keeping them asian served no point other than to have to probably go into a whole asian thing with the audience, and frankly audiences want to see people they can relate with. had the asian population ran to see it and somehow the bean-counters determined that keeping the people asian would have made good financial sense, they'd certainly have done that.

'Additionally I think it's a sad statement on our society's inherent racism that these discussion only seem to come up when A. they want to change an acknowledged white character to another race or B. Some American white guy wants to play another race. Where was the outcry when Antonio Banderas or worse yet Anthony Hopkins or Cathrine Zeta Jones play Mexicans? Did I miss the part in the history books where the British and Spanish built their empires thru a campaign of sunshine and rainbows?'

at the time, these guys were around the height of their careers, so wrapping them together in a 'brand name' made sense. i personally didn't question banderas as a mexican. hell, he played a mexican vigilante directed by a mexican director! hopkins and jones' characters weren't mexican anyway, they were spanish. big difference. i know that's not what you mean, just wanted some clarification in that one particular case.

'Bottom line, affirmative action has no place in Hollywood. The best man should be chosen for his ability to pull off the job regardless of race color creed or political affiliation.'

again i agree. two things to bear in mind: were you in a position to get either johnny depp *or* that guy from 'dances with wolves' you'd be a fool not to go with depp. otherwise, you might find your hollywood stint short. well, there's no 'might' about it, you'd be signing your resignation notice and not even realize it. second, people are too damn sensitive these daze. a black woman gets fired for horrible attendance and the NAACP charges the company for racism. well, i coul

Sep 27 - 10:05 AM

mjprogue

Mike PArker

Well...The Lone Ranger is a fantastic story with a really wonderful history on screen and page...too bad the idiots at Disney are going to ruin that track record with an obvious ploy to draw little girls and flaming guys into the theatre with Depp. The guy absolutely sucks if he isn't playing a burned out psychopath...which Tonto had better not be.

I'd actually prefer them changing Tonto to a woman and creating some BS love interest than see this idiot in the movie.

Sep 27 - 10:29 AM

ch31

Corey Hazell

Hey idiot writer, Keanu is Canadian not American. Get it right.

Sep 27 - 10:57 AM

-apocolyptic-

chris armit

Grahmn Greene

Sep 27 - 01:42 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Very nice, also Wes Studi, he played Maqua in last of the mohicans with Daniel Day Lewis, but you're kinda proven my point. When you said Graham Green most people on here probably thought "The guy from Battlestar Galactica is Indian?" Not really to the same level as Johnny Depp. Definately closer to the Richard Grieco level. Seriously, talk about divergent career paths.

Sep 28 - 08:42 AM

-apocolyptic-

chris armit

No one as of yet has been able to change Hockywoods mind about making movies.
They never will.
Its all about the money.
Oh sure you will have you independent films that are revered and mystified for years and they are freakin cool.
And the odd Hollywood movie that is beyond what people expect.
But forthemost part they will always do what they want.
Make money.
And the average movie goer is neither,I hate to use the word stupid, so lets say uninformed, schooled in film or taking it upon themselves to ge past the mediocrity of sub par films.
Unless you can get people to stop going to the theaters to see sub par movies than things will never change.
Its a moot point complaining about why they are making these movies.
We know why.
Until there is a revolution, it will always be about the money.
I read alot of posts on this site and don't comment too often cuz you guys are quite informed when it comes to movies(if we were talking music, well thats another story), but one thing I always see is that someone is complaining about casting choices and what they are doing with movies.
Yeah I wish I could change it but it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Living with a medium that caters to the influenced market of teens, who have no idea(for the most part) we will always lose.
Gather all your friends and their friends and so and so on and start boycotting or just not showing up for the movie in question.Whatever it may be.
Sorry about the rant, but jesus pissed me off.

Sep 27 - 01:53 PM

-apocolyptic-

chris armit

Oh yeah.
Johhny Depp and George Clooney seems like the perfect duo for the Lone Ranger.
Johhny Depp can do no worng.
Regardless of how you feel about TPOTC and 21 Jump Street.
He is the definitive actor of our generation.

Family guy episode about who you would pick Johhny Depp or Richard Grieco sums it up.

Sep 27 - 01:59 PM

-apocolyptic-

chris armit

Megan Fox as Fathom.
Megan Fox underwater.
Maybe in a bikini?
Whats to think about?


Damn had to wipe my drool.

Sep 27 - 01:59 PM

greg_dean_schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

Well, if it's like the comic, "Fathom" might be more like "Splash": Aspen is often depicted as naked, with conveniently placed seaweed, fish, hair, air bubbles, etc.

For example:

http://www.utb.falun.se/hbo/ivprogram/iv98mbe/BILDER/Fathom1.jpg

Sep 27 - 08:35 PM

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

Greg Guro

I'm talking to you 7th hell,
and what I do to you when you are sleeping so gently,
what with the ether and all.

Sep 27 - 06:40 PM

greg_dean_schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

Well, if it's like the comic, "Fathom" might be more like "Splash": Aspen is often depicted as naked, with conveniently placed seaweed, fish, hair, air bubbles, etc.

For example:

http://www.utb.falun.se/hbo/ivprogram/iv98mbe/BILDER/Fathom1.jpg

Sep 27 - 08:35 PM

susan08

susan davie

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Sep 27 - 08:43 PM

astrangefish

Andrew Strange

In the last week i've watched 'Tell No One' (a french thriller) and 'rec' (a spanish horror) - both were very good. Seeing some of the forthcoming hollywood titles (Pirates 4, National Treasure 3, Wildhogs 2, I Am Legend prequel), i again strongly suggest you all don't just rely on hollywood for your filmic pleasures.
P.S. Can RT do something about all these website promoters who keep posting?
People who like 'Transformers' or think 'Adam Sandler is brilliant' are IDIOTS, but i recognise they are still film fans and have as much right to post as me - but these 'others' are ruining it for the rest of us with their 'dating site' promotions etc. Can they be removed?

Sep 28 - 05:15 AM

bijibadness

Biji Badness

tomwaitsjr, get a life you dork

Sep 28 - 06:10 AM

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

Greg Guro

Why say hurtful things about me? Do you want to make me cry?

Sep 28 - 02:28 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Very nice, also Wes Studi, he played Maqua in last of the mohicans with Daniel Day Lewis, but you're kinda proven my point. When you said Graham Green most people on here probably thought "The guy from Battlestar Galactica is Indian?" Not really to the same level as Johnny Depp. Definately closer to the Richard Grieco level. Seriously, talk about divergent career paths.

Sep 28 - 08:42 AM

Kshelton21

Kyle Shelton

a sims movie?
whatttttt

that's ridiculous.
and i agree on the moby dick thing...wtf.

Sep 28 - 10:19 AM

Kshelton21

Kyle Shelton

also, wild hogs needs no sequel, and national treasure really doesn't either, but i'm praying that the next sequel for PoTC will rekindle the flame that the first one lit, bc Dead Man's Chest and World's End, while not that bad, weren't great.

Sep 28 - 10:20 AM

greg_dean_schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

I know the debate is about full blooded NA's, but there are a couple of other (older) stars with some heritage: Burt Reynolds is half Cherokee and Cher is 1/4 Cherokee. As for the "biggest" star right now that is full blooded, that would probably have to be Adam Beach (Windtalkers, L&O:SUV), but yeah, he's not really that famous either.

Sep 28 - 11:38 AM

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