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Total Recall: Best and Worst Part Fours

With Resident Evil: Afterlife hitting theaters, we look at memorable fourquels.

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It's no secret that Hollywood loves sequels -- but studios are also pretty quick to abandon franchises when they start running out of steam at the box office, so if a series can make it past three installments, it's an achievement worth noticing. Of course, noticing and commending are two different things -- but while we tend to be cynical about sequels, particularly later ones, not all fourth film chapters are created equal. In honor of Resident Evil: Afterlife's impending bow, we decided to dedicate this week's column to some of our favorite (and not-so-favorite) third sequels. Direct-to-video titles were, as always, off limits, and we mostly ignored the many sequel-friendly (and drearily similar) horror franchises -- but that still left plenty of films to choose from. From the maligned to the honored, from the wildly successful to the all-but-forgotten, it's time to Total Recall...tetralogically!


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The Magnificent Seven Ride!

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Get seven mercenaries together in the Wild West, load up their pistols, and you've got yourself countless stories to tell -- and as long as they keep their hats on, it's harder for audiences to tell that you've replaced the entire original cast.

Major Changes: Lee Van Cleef stars here as Chris Adams, taking over the lead role from Yul Brynner and George Kennedy. Other than that, this is fairly standard ridin' and shootin'.

Does the Saga Continue? Not unless you count the short-lived Magnificent Seven series that ran on CBS during the late 1990s.


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Herbie Goes Bananas

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because once you've gotten people to line up for a movie about a Volkswagen Beetle that can think for itself, science pretty much demands that you keep on doing it until they lose interest.

Major Changes: Having traveled to Monte Carlo in the previous sequel, Herbie heads for Mexico, where he meets up with an irascible young pickpocket (named Paco, natch), foils a scheme to steal Incan treasure, and, uh, bullfights. Cloris Leachman, still six years away from scraping the barrel with The Facts of Life, appears, as does a clearly pained Harvey Korman.

Does the Saga Continue? Pretty much. Two years later, Herbie made his way to television via the quickly canceled Herbie the Matchmaker; then, in 2005, Lindsay Lohan got behind the wheel for Herbie: Fully Loaded.


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Police Academy 4 - Citizens on Patrol

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because George Gaynes needed something to do on his Punky Brewster hiatus. Besides, the law clearly stated that Steve Guttenberg had to be in at least a dozen films in 1987.

Major Changes: For the fourth Academy, our bumbling officers are paired up with ordinary citizens through the Citizens on Patrol program (COP -- get it?). Gaynes, regrettably, doesn't appear in much of the movie, thanks to a gaggle of screen-hogging new recruits that include a young David Spade (and Sharon Stone, busily touring many of the worst films of the late 1980s).

Does the Saga Continue? Yes -- for quite awhile, in fact. The series slowed down after 1989's Police Academy 6: City Under Siege, but it resurfaced for a seventh installment with 1994's Police Academy: Mission to Moscow, and a franchise reboot has been rumored for years.


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Jaws 4 - The Revenge

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Three reasons: 1) Sharks are always scary, 2) 1983's Jaws 3-D grossed almost $90 million against an $18 million budget, and 3) Jaws 3-D was so bad that almost anything else had to be better. Enter this 1987 aquatic turkey, along with one of the most infamous taglines ever: "This time it's personal."

Major Changes: Pretending Jaws 3-D didn't exist, Jaws: The Revenge returned the franchise's focus to the Brody family, the shark-killing clan headed up by Roy Scheider in the first two films. Scheider disavowed the series after Jaws 2, so the story centered on his widow (Lorraine Gary, reprising her role) and her discovery that a shark is, uh, stalking her family. After enlisting a free-spirited pilot (Academy Award winner Michael Caine) to help her end the carnage once and for all, Ellen impales the great white...at which point it explodes.

Does the Saga Continue? Absolutely not. But in today's reboot-crazy climate (and the renewed viability of creature features like Piranha 3D), it's probably only a matter of time before the original oceanic baddie returns to reclaim its crown.


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The Next Karate Kid

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: It's difficult to say, given that The Karate Kid Part III was disliked by critics, ignored by audiences, and mocked by the 1989 Golden Raspberry Awards, where it received five nominations (including Worst Picture, Worst Director, and Worst Actor).

Major Changes: After Ralph Macchio decided he was finished playing Daniel-san (and director John G. Avildsen left the franchise to direct 8 Seconds), the studio opted for a fresh start, transplanting Mr. Miyagi (Pat Morita) from L.A. to Boston and giving him an angry teenage girl (Hilary Swank) to train. Also new: The Next Karate Kid's pitiful $15 million gross.

Does the Saga Continue? Sort of. After lying dormant for 16 years, the franchise was revived in early 2010 with a reboot starring Jaden Smith and Jackie Chan -- and given that the new Karate Kid has earned almost $300 million, another sequel is already in the works.


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Superman IV: The Quest for Peace

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because not even the garish silliness of 1983's Richard Pryor-assisted Superman III was enough to kill the franchise. That would take the foul might of Superman IV's ludicrous villain, Nuclear Man.

Major Changes: Jon Cryer joins the cast as Lex Luthor's teenage nephew Lenny, and Mariel Hemingway bats her eyes as the would-be Super seductress Lacy Warfield. But most importantly, there's the well-intentioned (but woefully, woefully misguided) storyline, which finds Superman on a quest to rid the Earth of nuclear weapons.

Does the Saga Continue? This chunk of cinematic Kryptonite was enough to keep the franchise in suspended animation until 2006, when Brandon Routh donned the cape for Superman Returns...only to watch Warners put the Man of Steel back in development hell.


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Batman & Robin

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Even with a new Batman (Val Kilmer, taking over for Michael Keaton) and a decidedly mixed response from critics, 1995's Batman Forever lived up to its title, besting Batman Returns' $266 million worldwide gross -- so a fourth film was inevitable, even if it meant switching stars again.

Major Changes: Kilmer wasn't available when Warner Bros. wanted to film Batman and Robin, so George Clooney donned the cowl and stood alongside Robin (a returning Chris O'Donnell) and Batgirl (Alicia Silverstone) against the menace of the diabolical Mr. Freeze (Arnold Schwarzenegger) and Poison Ivy (Uma Thurman).

Does the Saga Continue? Yes, but it took eight years and a whole bunch of false starts before the studio finally settled on Christopher Nolan to reboot the franchise with 2005's Batman Begins. We think you'll agree they chose wisely.


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Hannibal Rising

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because after The Silence of the Lambs proved that Thomas Harris' Hannibal Lecter character was irresistible to movie audiences, he did the sensible thing and kept right on cranking out Lecter books for years -- and the film adaptations kept coming too.

Major Changes: For the first time since 1986's Manhunter (which we're not counting here anyway), Lecter wasn't played by Anthony Hopkins -- because no matter how great an actor he is, he wasn't the right guy to portray Lecter during his transformation from impressionable Lithuanian youth to murderous cannibal.

Does the Saga Continue? No, and it doesn't seem likely that it will -- at least not for another ten years or so, when some enterprising producer gets the itch to reboot the whole series.


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Death Wish IV: The Crackdown

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: It really probably should have been, but the Death Wish movies were a modest cash cow for Cannon -- 1985's wonderfully over-the-top Death Wish 3 turned a profit despite its paltry $16 million gross.

Major Changes: Tireless vigilante Paul Kersey (Bronson) heads to L.A., because there's a major drug problem, and he's the only one man enough to wipe out the dealers. With grenades.

Does the Saga Continue? Sadly, yes. Bronson was somehow lured back to the franchise for 1994's ghastly Death Wish V: The Face of Death, which ended up grossing less than $2 million during its brief theatrical run.


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The Concorde ... Airport '79

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because throwing a bunch of B-list stars into an enclosed space and making them act out a ridiculous storyline never gets old. (Also: George Kennedy, who appeared as Renaissance man Joe Petroni in all of the Airport movies, had bills to pay.)

Major Changes: The Airport series started slipping into the realm of the bizarre with the Bermuda Triangle-set Airport '77, but here it careens into sci-fi with a storyline involving a crazed arms dealer (Robert Wagner) trying to destroy a Concorde jet. Charo, Martha Raye, and Jimmie Walker are involved.

Does the Saga Continue? Did you read the words "Charo, Martha Raye, and Jimmie Walker"? Airport '79 was the final nail in the franchise -- as well as the disaster-movie fad of the '70s, so ripe for parody at this point that the spoof Airplane! was a bigger hit (and a better film).


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Fast and Furious

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because fast cars are awesome. It also didn't hurt that the stars of the original (Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, Michelle Rodriguez, and Jordana Brewster) reprised their roles, restoring continuity to a series that had undergone plenty of cast turnover.

Major Changes: There's an important death that, ahem, fuels the plot, but other than that, this is not a franchise that values change. It's fast and it's furious -- what else do you expect?

Does the Saga Continue? The fifth installment, currently titled Fast Five, is filming now with Diesel and Walker, as well as Ludacris, Tyrese Gibson, and Dwayne Johnson.


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Terminator Salvation

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because when you've got a franchise big enough to support a head-scratching, time-traveling storyline, multiple studio deaths, and a short-lived TV spinoff, you don't stop until your killer robots are completely out of juice. Plus, there's that whole "$1.4 billion in worldwide box office" thing to consider.

Major Changes: Christian Bale stepped into the role of resistance leader/Chosen One John Connor, taking over for Nick Stahl (Terminator 3) and Edward Furlong (Terminator 2); Bryce Dallas Howard inherited the role of Kate Brewster Connor from Terminator 3's Claire Danes. But the most important addition was undoubtedly Sam Worthington as Marcus Wright, the unwitting cyborg who helps Connor keep Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin) alive long enough to head back in time...where he'll become Connor's father. Wait, what?

Does the Saga Continue? Not yet -- another studio bankruptcy has postponed further development of the "new trilogy" that Salvation was supposed to begin -- but we're pretty sure the machines will rise again.


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Rambo

Why Three Just Wasn't Enough: Because after 20 years, the guilt of being responsible for 1988's extraordinarily silly Rambo III was too much for Sylvester Stallone to bear.

Major Changes: Well, Rambo is 20 years older, for starters -- and while the years have been kind to his sculpted physique, they've taken a brutal toll on his spiritual well-being. As Rambo begins, he's basically a snarling hermit who yells at the missionary (Julie Benz) who asks him for a ferry ride into Burma. He eventually changes his mind, of course...and lays thrilling waste to dozens upon dozens of bad guys.

Does the Saga Continue? For awhile, it looked like Stallone was gearing up for a fifth installment -- at one point, it was even rumored that Rambo would fight a genetically engineered super-beast -- but his most recent statements seem to indicate that he's done with the character. Of course, that doesn't mean the franchise couldn't be rebooted without him.

prkprkprk

prkprkprk on 09-8-2010 05:07 PM

Jaws 4 is, in my opinion, the worst movie of all time and the worst of this list. Everything else was either pretty bad or at least OK. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes is a very underrated film, I was very surprised to find it at 44%. Just my opinions.

BLaCKWoLF

BLaCKWoLF on 09-9-2010 05:05 AM

With a roaring, spontaneously combusting shark as the villain, Jaws 4 comes pretty close to the 'worst film of all time' category lol

Kellygopal

Kellygopal on 09-10-2010 01:13 PM

I saw one far worse in 1965. Don't remember the name but I I found it fascinating by how bad it was

MisterMeekmeiser

MisterMeekmeiser on 09-10-2010 02:42 PM

I actually didn't mind Jaws 3-D. Maybe I'm being nostalgic since I saw it in theaters as a kid, but I thought it was much better than Jaws: The Revenge. Of course ... neither film is anywhere near the quality of the original. Jaws 2 was okay, but more just a carbon copy (where the quality drops and you can tell).

MisterMeekmeiser

MisterMeekmeiser on 09-10-2010 02:44 PM

Oh, and I think "Batman & Robin" was worse than "Jaws: The Revenge."

Esteban H.

Esteban H. on 09-10-2010 03:02 PM

Without a doubt, Batman and Robin is by far the worst movie listed here I've seen.

razorath92

razorath92 on 09-11-2010 06:45 PM

Agreed

Rebel Without Applause

Rebel Without Applause on 09-8-2010 05:15 PM

Live Free or Die Hard is the only film here that I can say I truly like.

RJ Smoove

RJ Smoove on 09-8-2010 06:19 PM

Live Free or Die Hard FTW. My second favorite of series.

LakersFan-BostonSucks

LakersFan-BostonSucks on 09-9-2010 02:23 AM

Totally agree! Although it's a tough call between 3 and 4 for the runner-up spot with 2 being the only weak link IMO (Seriously, there's 40 mins in the second reel of DH2 where absolutely NOTHING happens except for Dennis Franz saying "Goddamn" about 300 times!).
And after over 20 years of giving it thought, the original Die Hard is quite possibly the best straight-out action movie ever made!

Cory B.

Cory B. on 09-9-2010 06:25 AM

Die Hard is certainly up there, but I think I would give that title to Terminator 2. Arnold pulling a shotgun out of a box of roses and saying "get down" just can't be beat.

Trevor

Trevor on 09-13-2010 11:48 AM

There was nothing "Die Hard" about the third installment -- no claustrophobia at all. Solving a logic puzzle in a park? A car chase along the interstate in the middle of nowhere? No, I'll take DH2 over DH3 any day. But the fourth is better than both, and DH1 is of course the best.

McCorpse

McCorpse on 09-11-2010 02:03 PM

I have to strongly disagree, you've got to be kidding me live free or died hard sucked monkey balls. the scene where the bridge collapses and he drives a semi up it and then jumps off the bridge and lands on a plane and rides around on the plane like a surf board. omg that movie was just as bad as indiana jones

RidleyFox

RidleyFox on 09-9-2010 01:32 AM

To add to that. I thought that LFDH kept the essence of the first movie while keeping up with a modern-day threat. Add to that a stellar cast of villains that included Maggie Q and the "Hamster Man" to keep Bruce Willis busy throughout the movie.

Chris P.

Chris P. on 09-9-2010 07:28 PM

I can't believe you people like Live Free or Die Hard, it's a disgrace to the series. Even Die Hard 2 is better than Live Free or Die Hard.

Marshall S.

Marshall S. on 09-11-2010 10:54 AM

Not even a little Die Hard 2 kinda sucks.

McCorpse

McCorpse on 09-11-2010 02:00 PM

i have to strongly disagree, you've got to be kidding me live free or died hard sucked monkey balls. the scene where the bridge collapses and he drives a semi up it and then jumps off the bridge and lands on a plane and rides around on the plane like a surf board. omg that movie was just as bad as indiana jones

McCorpse

McCorpse on 09-11-2010 02:02 PM

I have to strongly disagree, you've got to be kidding me live free or died hard sucked monkey balls. the scene where the bridge collapses and he drives a semi up it and then jumps off the bridge and lands on a plane and rides around on the plane like a surf board. omg that movie was just as bad as indiana jones

McCorpse

McCorpse on 09-11-2010 02:02 PM

I have to strongly disagree, you've got to be kidding me live free or died hard sucked monkey balls. the scene where the bridge collapses and he drives a semi up it and then jumps off the bridge and lands on a plane and rides around on the plane like a surf board. omg that movie was just as bad as indiana jones

McCorpse

McCorpse on 09-11-2010 02:02 PM

I have to strongly disagree, you've got to be kidding me live free or died hard sucked monkey balls. the scene where the bridge collapses and he drives a semi up it and then jumps off the bridge and lands on a plane and rides around on the plane like a surf board. omg that movie was just as bad as indiana jones

Alec D.

Alec D. on 09-8-2010 05:18 PM

Phantom of the menace... Good... Blasphemy.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect. on 09-8-2010 05:28 PM

I cannot believe Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is this fresh and rated as one of the best third sequel! Bad CGI, average acting, Shia LaBeouf swinging with monkys, the cast surviving not one...not two.. but THREE waterfalls, just some thing that were awful about that movie. I bet Spielberg ( who is one of my FAVORITE directors ) and Lucas were probably sitting in some chairs eating edible gold popcorn saying 'Man this was a bad movie, BUT LOOK AT ALL THIS MONEY!'

August M.

August M. on 09-8-2010 05:43 PM

Surviving 3 waterfalls is nothing compared to parachuting from a plane with a raft in Temple of Doom.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect. on 09-8-2010 06:02 PM

I guess, but Temple of Doom had plot and actually interesting characters, albeit it was definately not as good as 1 or 3.

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 09-9-2010 05:24 PM

"Temple" was better than "Last Crusade" and "Crystal Skull", but not better than "Raiders". There, I said it.

Jaysix

Jaysix on 09-9-2010 06:59 PM

"Temple" was better than "Last Crusade" and "Crystal Skull", but not better than "Raiders". There, I said it.

Right on Brother ! I agree 100%


Bill C.

Bill C. on 09-9-2010 08:21 PM

"Temple of Doom" is better than "Last Crude" and "The Crystal Skull" and, possibly, even better than "Raiders", which gets awful gloomy and full of itself towards the end ... I love the "Anything Goes" sequence in Mandarin and the whole first 20 minutes of "Temple of Doom" ... and nothing in the whole series is better than the stuff in the Thuggee temple and the mines ... there, I said it.

Stewart L.

Stewart L. on 09-9-2010 10:21 PM

Temple was better than crusade, but Kingdom was the best. Although shia sucked, but raiderx was just cheesy, would have been amazing for its time i admit, but kingdom is cool!

Stewart L.

Stewart L. on 09-9-2010 10:22 PM

Temple was better than crusade, but Kingdom was the best. Although shia sucked, but raiderx was just cheesy, would have been amazing for its time i admit, but kingdom is cool!

Stewart L.

Stewart L. on 09-9-2010 10:24 PM

Temple was better than crusade, but Kingdom was the best. Although shia sucked, but raiderx was just cheesy, would have been amazing for its time i admit, but kingdom is cool!

Stewart L.

Stewart L. on 09-9-2010 10:24 PM

Temple was better than crusade, but Kingdom was the best. Although shia sucked, but raiderx was just cheesy, would have been amazing for its time i admit, but kingdom is cool!

Stewart L.

Stewart L. on 09-9-2010 10:24 PM

Temple was better than crusade, but Kingdom was the best. Although shia sucked, but raiderx was just cheesy, would have been amazing for its time i admit, but kingdom is cool!

Stewart L.

Stewart L. on 09-9-2010 10:24 PM

Temple was better than crusade, but Kingdom was the best. Although shia sucked, but raiderx was just cheesy, would have been amazing for its time i admit, but kingdom is cool!

mouse_clicker

mouse_clicker on 09-8-2010 07:27 PM

Mythbusters proved that it's actually possible, I believe.

mouse_clicker

mouse_clicker on 09-8-2010 07:29 PM

Land of the Dead sucked. So did Diary of the Dead and Survival of the Dead. Oh, and Day of the Dead. And Dawn of the Dead, the remake finally made that a good film. Night of the Living Dead was the only good film in Romero's series, although it is really, really good.

Easter In The Batcave

Easter In The Batcave on 09-8-2010 08:09 PM

Did you really just say the original Dawn Of The Dead sucked? It's one of the best horror movies of all time!

Easter In The Batcave

Easter In The Batcave on 09-8-2010 08:09 PM

Did you really just say the original Dawn Of The Dead sucked? It's one of the best horror movies of all time!

Easter In The Batcave

Easter In The Batcave on 09-8-2010 08:10 PM

Did you really just say the original Dawn Of The Dead sucked? It's one of the best horror movies of all time!

Matt J.

Matt J. on 09-9-2010 09:20 AM

spoken like a ture non-horror fan.

Damien Lives

Damien Lives on 09-9-2010 10:05 AM

fuck you Dawn of the Dead did not suck

Matt J.

Matt J. on 09-9-2010 01:00 PM

Yet you watched all of them...

Deanno

Deanno on 09-9-2010 01:07 PM

Original Dawn sucked? Are you crazy?

banditwhore

banditwhore on 09-9-2010 05:47 PM

Yes, the remake (even though its only a remake in name and setting only) of Dawn of the Dead is better, more exciting and scarier than the original. I say this because of the middle section of the original where nothing happens, and I am bored to tears, so there.

Brad V.

Brad V. on 09-9-2010 07:47 AM

Or ripping out someone's heart with your bear hand while chanting gibberish. Mythbusters should check that one out.

Hollywood Karma

Hollywood Karma on 09-9-2010 07:32 PM

You just said more than you realize. Thank you.

Bjornar

Bjornar on 09-13-2010 10:50 AM

Haha Krypto! Zing inded.

Phillip K.

Phillip K. on 09-8-2010 06:01 PM

The movie first right in with the IJ universe. It provided mythological comic book style fantasy action, which is what IJ is.

Josh W.

Josh W. on 09-8-2010 07:49 PM

didn't he survive a nuclear explosion inside a refrigerator as well?

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 09-9-2010 05:04 PM

Fuckin' A, he did!

Jaysix

Jaysix on 09-9-2010 06:53 PM

Amen brother, amen.

K

K on 09-8-2010 05:29 PM

Batman and Robin oh how you amuse me so, you're always good for a laugh or two.

Dylan

Dylan on 09-8-2010 05:29 PM

For the life of me I will never understand how the Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull managed positive TM ratings. They're unbelievably bad.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect. on 09-8-2010 05:35 PM

AGREED!

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 09-9-2010 05:28 PM

"Juno" was bad. Could that girl even TRY to act. And don't even get me started on "Hard Candy".

frankdozier

frankdozier on 09-10-2010 12:55 AM

Juno was extremely well-written. All of the acting was understated, that was the point. In fact, Page's draw is that she is an understated actor, which is a current trend among actors in Hollywood.

frankdozier

frankdozier on 09-10-2010 12:58 AM

Juno was extremely well-written. All of the acting was understated, that was the point. In fact, Page's draw is that she is an understated actor, which seems to be a current trend among actors in Hollywood.

Daniel N.

Daniel N. on 09-8-2010 07:55 PM

Phantom Menace can be saved by just one element: Darth Maul. Awesome villain.

Crystal Skull...ehmm... nop, no idea... that one just plain sucked.

K

K on 09-8-2010 08:04 PM

I definitely agree with you on the Darth Maul point there, too bad he died.

IBelievedInHarveyDent

IBelievedInHarveyDent on 09-9-2010 11:39 AM

And to think that Darth Maul was added in at the last minute because they liked the stuntman, too. I can't imagine how even more terrible the movie would have been with no Darth Maul.

frankdozier

frankdozier on 09-10-2010 12:59 AM

Ray Park is the man. He choreographed all of the light saber scenes.

Bryan S.

Bryan S. on 09-10-2010 01:27 PM

Obiwan vs Darth Maul is the best fight scene in all 6 movies.

Bjornar

Bjornar on 09-13-2010 11:19 AM

Are you saying Luke doing the lumberjack on Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi doesn't count as an excellent fight? As he's going to town I have this urge to sing "I've been workin' on the railroad, all the live long day!"

Superzone

Superzone on 09-9-2010 01:42 PM

Don't forget Qui-Gon Jinn. People easily forget that Liam Neeson and that character were fantastic. One of the biggest reasons why I like Phantom Menace (gasp!), besides the amazing visual effects and stunt work, is Liam Neeson. Qui-Gon is one of the best Star Wars characters imo.

August M.

August M. on 09-9-2010 07:13 PM

Amen!

Lee M.

Lee M. on 09-9-2010 07:16 PM

Agreed. I love the idea of Jedi who could basically defy the Council one some terms yet be respected enough to be able to join it. Basically the House (TV show character) of Jedis

Rane P.

Rane P. on 09-9-2010 03:28 PM

Darth Maul looked cool and was a bad-ass in every sense of the word, but that was it. There was nothing to his character. Didn't he have like one line of dialogue in the entire movie? What really made him famous was his face and his double-bladed lightsaber, which I don't think was marketed right in the first place (if that hadn't been shown until the first showing of the film, how many Star Wars fans do you think would have peed their pants in excitement? Approximately all of them.)

Bob V.

Bob V. on 09-8-2010 05:32 PM

Indy 4 should be a 0%

EllenPageIsMyArchitect.

EllenPageIsMyArchitect. on 09-8-2010 05:35 PM

AGREED!

Dave J.

Dave J. on 09-9-2010 09:27 AM

I disagree! # 3 was worse than # 4 by a mile!

mark w.

mark w. on 09-9-2010 12:15 PM

WHAT?

I MUST somehow misread your post. You cannot be saying that Kingdom is better then The Last Crusade...

No person on this earth can be THAT mad!

So that means that i read that wrong. But then why would you say....

I have to stop this. can't comprehend this.

Brain hurts.

Having a Scanners moment.

dj Mark

dj Mark on 09-9-2010 10:21 AM

It must suck that so many critics and audiences actually enjoyed it and don't share your opinion.

mark w.

mark w. on 09-9-2010 12:17 PM

It doesn't just suck.

IT BLOWS!

hevlarxis

hevlarxis on 09-9-2010 12:45 PM

I see what you did there...

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 09-9-2010 04:36 PM

So, it "blows" that so many critics and audiences actually enjoyed it and don't share your opinion?

mark w.

mark w. on 09-10-2010 12:38 PM

Yes it BLOWS that so many people didn't see what i saw: An Indiana Jones movie that was a very flawed movie.

It has a weak and uninspired script and wasn't directed with the same youthful energy than the previous three. It also didn't feel like it belonged in the Iny universe that i know so well. Rules seemed different, the tone was wrong, Indy himself was not the same... I hated the use of CGI, the monkeys and the fridge escape. It was too silly and too comic book.

So, count me as one of the many who was disappointed.

Bailey S.

Bailey S. on 09-8-2010 05:35 PM

The fourth "Indiana Jones" is on the 2nd page . . . I was thinking the same thing about "Alien Resurrection" until I found it. (Oh, Sigourney, what convinced you to let some stupid screenwriter/s clone you, of all the stupid things possibly in the future?!) Why do part fours usually turn out badly? More importantly, or because of that, why do they need to exist in the first place, especially when they're part of tired movie series that deserve a respectful burial? They lose any essence of art. All that matters is the money they make.

BLaCKWoLF

BLaCKWoLF on 09-9-2010 05:08 AM

What convinced and drove Sigourney to go through with Alien Resurrection?

Alien3

August M.

August M. on 09-8-2010 05:41 PM

Indy 4, Episode 1, Shrek 4, Star Trek 4, Thunderball, and Die Hard 4 are the only ones I enjoyed from this list. Also, Where's all the 4th parts of any given horror film?

John H.

John H. on 09-9-2010 06:56 AM

I wondered that, too. I suppose they didn't want to unbalance the list with so many bottom feeders. Still, the genesis of this list is the upcoming release of the 4th Resident Evil film, so, perhaps it would have made more sense to do a comparison with the fourth installment of just the other horror franchises. That list, though, might suffer from a severe lack of fresh ratings.

banditwhore

banditwhore on 09-9-2010 05:51 PM

they made a point in the beginning of the article that they weren't going to include any slasher franchises.

August M.

August M. on 09-9-2010 07:15 PM

I was actually expecting at least Mothra vs. Godzilla to make it on the list. Oh well.

Charlie F.

Charlie F. on 09-8-2010 05:54 PM

The Goblet of Fire is not the "titular prize". The Goblet was the magical item that chose the participants for the competition.

dj Mark

dj Mark on 09-9-2010 10:22 AM

Tomayto/Tomahto. :)

Nick P.

Nick P. on 09-8-2010 05:56 PM

I had a crazy nightmare that Phantom Menace was rated higher than Alien Resurrection. Thankfully the real world is a sane, fair place. Wait... WAIT... OH NO. OH MY GOD. *Has a Charlton Heston collapse-on-the-beach moment.*
I mean... they both have their problems, but come on. Come on.

Agreed wholeheartedly with prkprkprk's sentiments on Jaws: The Revenge. It's hilarious how terrible that film is.
I doubt a proper remake would ever happen, partly because of the film's landmark nature, but mostly because that film can claim a considerable amount of blame for the sickening persecution and overfishing of sharks (the great white itself is in a critical state and we've only started to understand this immensely complicated animal *even slightly* over the past decade or so). In a world where Avatar's the highest grossing film of all time, I'd like to think we have a bit more environmental consideration than to unleash another Jaws.
Also, I think the Jaws 3 hate is a bit overboard...

Speaking of unwarranted hate, poor Stallone. I loved Rambo - a determinedly simple but effective and well-made actioner - and Rocky 4 had Dolph Lundgren saying "I must break you". That line alone is worth 70%.

Finally... I didn't see Indie 4 (I have difficulty stomaching rape footage), but what in the world is Live Free Or Die Hard doing all the way up there? Unlike Rambo, I suppose you could say it was ambitious, but also unlike Rambo I'd say it sucked in everything it tried to do.

Nick P.

Nick P. on 09-8-2010 06:04 PM

Oh, one more thing, I thought Goblet Of Fire was the second-worst Potter after Chamber Of Secrets.

Deanno

Deanno on 09-9-2010 01:11 PM

HAHA! Rape footage! "BUTTERS! QUIT SHOOTING GUYS IN THE DICK! IT'S NOT COOL!"

Alexson Philip

Alexson Philip on 09-8-2010 05:56 PM

Shrek 4 was a cliched BUT good and warm ending to the shrek series, and harry potter 4 was just plain awesome.

greg b.

greg b. on 09-8-2010 06:03 PM

Here's my expanded list.
Pumpkinhead 4: anything was better then Pumpkinhead 2.
Critters 4: okay so it's bad but it's still fun.
Leprechaun 4: this series goes all the way to 6!
Tremors 4: it's low budget, it's a prequel, but it's still Tremors and I still find it fun. They're making number 5 as we speak with most of the original cast coming back! Loved the TV show too.
Nightmare on Elm Street 4: Not very good but campy fun, some inventive kills and Freddy keeps it somewhat amusing. All original 7 were still better then the horrible reboot.
HellRaiser 4: Better then 3, I somewhat like it. It's a proper end to Pinhead if you ignore the next 4 movies(which I did after 5) Reboot is in the works too.
Halloween 4: Better then 3, nothing is as bad as number 5. I liked the reboot until the second reboot (Halloween 2)which was a mess. I still think any of the Halloween movies are better then any of the Friday the 13th movies.
Friday the 13th 4: who cares the whole franchise is bad?
Phantasm 4: I hope someday they finish this series in a way it will finally make sense, because I loved the first one.

Chris G.

Chris G. on 09-8-2010 07:10 PM

Don't forget Saw

Chris G.

Chris G. on 09-8-2010 07:10 PM

Don't forget Saw

mark w.

mark w. on 09-9-2010 12:08 PM

halloween 4 was NOT a better movie then 3. Number three is quite a good film and very underestimated because it doesn't have The Shape, Pleasence or Curtis (or the classic Halloween theme). It has a good story, great music (by Carpenter) and very moody cinematography (Cundey). I will say that i liked 4 quite a bit and is after the first three, my favorite 'halloween'.

Friday the 13th part four is one of the best of the series. Only the first and sixth are better.

All my humble opinion of course...

Cheers

greg b.

greg b. on 09-9-2010 02:52 PM

I'll have to rewatch 3 now. I honestly hadn't rewatched it since I saw it on Laser disc! #5 is the worst of the bunch, I'd even take any Halloween after that one over #5. To be fair though Halloween 3 shouldn't have even been a sequel but a seperate horror movie itself not part of the Halloween franchise.

mark w.

mark w. on 09-10-2010 12:41 PM

Yes. I completely agree. Maybe then it would have gotten the respect it deserves.

mark w.

mark w. on 09-9-2010 12:09 PM

halloween 4 was NOT a better movie then 3. Number three is quite a good film and very underestimated because it doesn't have The Shape, Pleasence or Curtis (or the classic Halloween theme). It has a good story, great music (by Carpenter) and very moody cinematography (Cundey). I will say that i liked 4 quite a bit and is after the first three, my favorite 'halloween'.

Friday the 13th part four is one of the best of the series. Only the first and sixth are better.

All my humble opinion of course...

Cheers

Deanno

Deanno on 09-9-2010 01:31 PM

It's just too bad the shitty studio ruined it, if they hadn't tampered with Halloween 3, it would've been great.

greg b.

greg b. on 09-9-2010 02:58 PM

Agreed on Friday the 13th 4. It is one of the best and my personal favorite of all the movies, but I still don't care for it that. Never watched the reboot, as soon as Micheal Bays name showed up in the credits I turned it off. I only saw the new Nightmare on Elm street because the girlfriend insisted, even though she knows Micheal Bay is on my boycott list. It was horrible!

mark w.

mark w. on 09-10-2010 12:44 PM

The new Friday was horrible. (and i am not a fan of the old ones - even though i've seen them all). As soon as Jason started running and was shown to have some North Vietnamese tunnel digging system talent (to explain why he caches up with fast running teens) - it became utter garbage.

RamALamADingDong

RamALamADingDong on 09-8-2010 06:04 PM

I love Star Trek IV and enjoy Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and Lethal Weapon 4. I can stand Terminator Salvation, The Phantom Menace and Live Free or Die Hard. The rest I either haven't seen or can't stand.

I especially hate Alien Resurrection. Honestly, there's not one single aspect of the movie that I like and/or appreciate. I thought Alien 3 was a decent end to the series, especially the director's cut. But Resurrection left nothing but a horrible taste in my mouth. I'd rather watch nothing but Aliens vs Predator movies than that. In fact I think I may have to go watch Alien and Aliens after writing this, I hate it so much. Such a terrible waste of film.

Nick P.

Nick P. on 09-8-2010 06:20 PM

I can think of quite a few positive aspects. Music, set design, photography, lighting, Siggy's acting (which I think improved with each film, coming from an already impressive baseline in the first one) and superhuman basketball shot, some cool early scenes with the caged aliens, reasonably snappy dialogue courtesy of Whedon.

Resurrection has quite a few outstanding qualities in my opinion. Story, creature design and special effects are most definitely not among them, however. I think it's several orders of magnitude better than the AvP movies, although I'll agree with you that the franchise's intregrity would have been better served by stopping at 3. Or, better yet, leaving it at the two perfect movies when they realised nothing was going right with 3.
Might rethink that if Ridley Scott's prequels prove to be any good though.

Alan Smithee

Alan Smithee on 09-9-2010 02:52 AM

Resurrection is an utter disgrace. Not even the great Ron Perlman could save it.

dj Mark

dj Mark on 09-9-2010 10:26 AM

Any indifference I may have had towards the film turned to utter disgust when that damn baby was born. Hands down the worst climax to any Alien film.

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 09-9-2010 05:31 PM

I was going to argue and say that "Alien 3" had the worst ending, but now I'm thinking it just had the worst beginning.

RamALamADingDong

RamALamADingDong on 09-10-2010 06:45 PM

*The acting is atrocious. Even Weaver seems to be phoning it in.
*While the shot itself is impressive, the entire scene is pointless.
*Characters are bland pieces of cardboard with little sense of development. Most are just cliches and show little emotion beyond that.
*General Perez is the single worst character addition to science fiction ever. Yes, worse than Jar Jar Binks and Dracula from Plan 9 from Outer Space. Next up is the Newborn creature.
*The CGI ranges from mediocre to plain awful.
*Dialogue is, at times, embarrassing to listen to.
*The movie is utterly pointless since Alien is Ripley's birth, Aliens is her life, and Alien 3 is her death. Full circle. If anything, Resurrection was Ripley's Hell, and who wants to see their favorite character end up like that.

I've seen it several times. I even watched and discussed it in a science fiction film class I took in college. I still cannot think of one good thing about the movie.

The one and only reason I own the movie is because I got a really great deal on the Alien Quadrilogy box set and I enjoy the first three much more than I hate the fourth. Not in a "Alien: R isn't so bad" kind of way but in a "Aliens 1-3 are so terrific they easily outshine the fourth" kind of way.

Bob V.

Bob V. on 09-8-2010 06:05 PM

Friday the 13th 4 is AWESOME

Linda B.

Linda B. on 09-8-2010 06:09 PM

Interesting list. Can't see how the heck Indy 4 got a 77%, though.

John Matrix

John Matrix on 09-8-2010 06:09 PM

They made a mistake on the Jaws 4 part of the article when they aid that the franchise didn't continue afterwords. Haven't they seen Bruno Mattei's classic Jaws 5: Cruel Jaws?

Connor G.

Connor G. on 09-8-2010 06:17 PM

I liked Lethal Weapon 4, Star Trek IV, Indiana Jones 4, Live Free or Die Hard, and Harry Potter. Thunderball can't really be counted because sequels imply a continuation of a storyline.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 09-9-2010 09:48 AM

Much of the ones you have mentioned have some implications of continuation of something and doesn't really have to be just be storyline, I do agree about Thunderball and maybe Star Trek IV and Live Free and Die Hard. But the question that would come to play is whether those #4s can be understood without watching any of the first three and in my opinion Lethal Weapon 4 would be hard to understand because of the assortment of developement of the characters, with Indy 4 would be like who the hell is Karen Allen, and if anybody were to just pop in any Harry Potter film after #1 would be oblivious about how does Harry Potter know whom and how did Harry find out about this other world in the first place! Good point though!

The.Watcher

The.Watcher on 09-8-2010 06:28 PM

Die Hard and HP are the only entries on this list that are worth watching.
Fuck you Lucas.

Whothedevil

Whothedevil on 09-8-2010 07:04 PM

Your forgetting a few people... how about A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master.

McCorpse

McCorpse on 09-11-2010 02:05 PM

yeah id say nightmare on elm street 4 was one of the worste number 4's ever. number three was pushing the cheesyness but number 4 put it over the edge. as far as i am concerned nightmare on elm street was trilogy and nothing else happened

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