Weekly Ketchup: Joss Whedon to Return for Avengers 2

Plus, new roles for Sacha Baron Cohen, Jennifer Lawrence, Steve Carell, and Reese Witherspoon.

This week's Ketchup includes new movies for actresses Jennifer Lawrence and Reese Witherspoon, comedians Steve Carell, Sacha Baron Cohen, and Will Ferrell, and new projects for directors Joss Whedon and Alexander Payne. And, oh yeah... an ALF movie.


This Week's Top Story

JOSS WHEDON WILL RETURN FOR THE AVENGERS 2

Some of the best movie news stories surprise us. Others, however, are completely predictable, but still deserve attention because they mark important points in a future blockbuster's route to the big screen. Such is the case this week with the news that Joss Whedon, writer and director of The Avengers, will indeed work on The Avengers 2 as well. The deal with Disney also includes their TV cousins at ABC, and "a Marvel-themed TV show," which is expected to be set in the same Cinematic Marvel Universe as The Avengers. Soon after, we also learned that Joss Whedon's deal extends to at least 2015, and that Whedon will also be involved "creatively" in other Marvel movie projects. In particular, Joss Whedon would seem a good match for writing or producing the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, which is both directly tied to The Avengers 2 (as far as we know), and as a lesser known property, might also most benefit from Whedon's guiding touch. Marvel's bringing in Joss Whedon as sort of a creative guiding force for Phase 2 of their films can also be seen as similar to the deal that WB made with Christopher Nolan for future DC Comics properties, like next year's Man of Steel.

Fresh Developments This Week

#1 BRUCE DERN AND WILL FORTE GO ON A ROAD TRIP WITH DIRECTOR ALEXANDER PAYNE TO NEBRASKA

One of director Alexander Payne's pet projects for several years (including before last year's The Descendants) has been a father-son road trip drama called Nebraska. In the process, Alexander Payne talked to several older actors for the lead role, including Jack Nicholson, Robert Duvall, and Gene Hackman, for whom Payne hoped Nebraska would be a return to acting after years in retirement. This week, this extended casting call finally came to an end with the announcement that the stars of Nebraska will be Bruce Dern and Will Forte as his son. Nebraska is the story of a father-son road trip from Montana to Nebraska to collect what the alcoholic father believes to be "a million dollar Publisher's Clearing House prize." Along the way, of course, they have a series of encounters, and probably learn more about each other, and such. The premise seems pretty treacly and predictable, but Payne is one of those rare directors who's proven with films like About Schmidt that he can transcend the limitations of such plot points. Filming of Nebraska is scheduled to start in October, and the release is already being planned for the awards season of late 2013.


#2 SACHA BARON COHEN'S NEXT COMEDIC TARGET IS JAMES BOND (BASICALLY)

James Bond is one of the most frequently, and successfully, spoofed characters in cinematic history. The long list of Bond spoofs or parodies includes Our Man Flint, Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery, the OSS 117 series, and Johnny English. This week, Paramount Pictures acquired a comedy pitch from Sacha Baron Cohen and screenwriter Phil Johnston (Cedar Rapids) for yet another movie that spoofs Agent 007. This currently untitled project involves a British spy who is "forced to go on the run with his long-lost brother, a moronic soccer hooligan." Sacha Baron Cohen is not yet signed to costar in the film, but it's expected that if he does sign on, it would be as the idiot brother, not the spy himself. This spy spoof is part of a first look deal that Sacha Baron Cohen has with Paramount, which was also the studio behind The Dictator.


#3 WILL FERRELL AND STEVE CARELL SWEAR TO GOD TO KEEP THE ANCHORMAN REUNION GOING

Will Ferrell and Steve Carell have been known for a while now to be returning for the sequel Anchorman: The Legend Continues, which is scheduled to start filming in early 2013. This week, it was revealed that Steve Carell has also joined the cast of the Warner Bros comedy Swear to God, which Will Ferrell has been attached to star in since last year. Will Ferrell will play "a narcissistic hedge fund manager who thinks he has seen God." Steve Carell costarred in the similar-sounding Bruce Almighty, and starred in the sequel Evan Almighty, but there's no word yet as to what his role in Swear to God will be. Swear to God was originally expected to be directed by frequent Ferrell collaborator Adam McKay, but since he will be busy with the Anchorman sequel, Warner Bros has found a replacement instead. Justin Theroux is an actor-turned-writer (cowriter of Tropic Thunder and Rock of Ages), who made his directorial debut with the 2007 Mandy Moore romantic comedy Dedication. In addition to directing, Theroux will also rewrite the script by Due Date writers Alan Cohen and Alan Fredland.


#4 IRISH ACTRESS SAOIRSE RONAN TO PLAY MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS

18-year-old Irish actress Saoirse Ronan (Hanna, The Lovely Bones) has been cast in the historical drama Mary Queen of Scots. The real life Mary, Queen of Scots started life as an infant royal as the only surviving heir of King James V of Scotland, and her subsequent life was integral to the life of the eventual Queen Elizabeth I of England. As such, she is frequently a supporting character in movies like Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchett, but less frequently the star of her own cinematic story. Speaking of that film, Elizabeth was also written by Michael Hirst, the writer of this Mary Queen of Scots project, as well as several episodes of the TV series Camelot and The Tudors. Mary Queen of Scots is being produced by Working Title Films, which is currently looking for a director.


#5 REESE WITHERSPOON TO STAR IN THE WACKY GAY COMEDY THE BEARD

Reese Witherspoon will be partnering with Chernin Entertainment (the production company behind FOX shows New Girl and Terra Nova) to produce and star in a romantic comedy called The Beard from newcomer screenwriter Becca Greene. The slang term "beard" has been popularized in recent celebrity stories of the last 10 years, and refers to someone (usually a woman) who dates or even marries someone of the opposite sex to make them appear to be heterosexual. Reese Witherspoon will play the title character, but what the premise is specifically, other than that, isn't yet known. There's also no director yet, or any word about who Witherspoon's male costar might be.



#6 JENNIFER LAWRENCE TO GO TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH

Although it would seem like Jennifer Lawrence is unlikely to have time for anything else in the next few years other than X-Men: Days of Future Past, and the various Hunger Games sequels, Lawrence is continuing to find time for a career in indie films. Lawrence's latest signing is for the romantic early 20th Century period piece The Ends of the Earth, about the true story May-November marriage between socialite Lydie Marland and her "adopted father," oil tycoon (and future Governor of Oklahoma) Ernest Marland, who was 26 years older than her. The Ends of the Earth doesn't yet have a director, but it appears likely that the Weinstein Company will be picking up the rights, which should help that process along. There's also no word yet as to who will costar as Jennifer Lawrence's much older husband. The Ends of the Earth was written by Chris Terrio, cowriter of 2005's Heights, and the screenwriter of this fall's Argo, the Ben Affleck-directed drama about Hollywood's involvement with the Iran hostage crisis.


#7 BILL & TED'S EXCELLENT GALAXY QUEST

Ever since Keanu Reeves seemingly transcended his teen star roots with projects like The Matrix, the lingering notion of Reeves ever returning to officially turn the Bill & Ted movies into a trilogy has been an entertaining preoccupation for movie fans. In the promise started by Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure remaining a timeless, fun movie, the idea of a third Bill & Ted movie also seems like an opportunity for Keanu Reeves to embrace his past, and let us all know that he's in on the joke. And if he's not, well, this story definitely should be a little lower in this column, but for now, let's go with it. Anyway, this week, with both Keanu Reeves and (less surprisingly) Alex Winter attached to star, it was learned that Bill & Ted 3 now has a director. Director Dean Parisot has had a few "Rotten" films on his filmography (Home Fries and Fun with Dick and Jane), but he also directed Galaxy Quest (89% on the Tomatoemter), a film closer in spirit to Bill & Ted. The third film is also being produced and was written by the characters' original creators Ed Solomon and Chris Matheson, who promise that the movie will show us what "Mssrs. Ted Theodore Logan and Bill S. Preston, Esq." are up to today. An '80s nostalgic vibe similar to Hot Tub Time Machine is what is basically being promised.

Rotten Ideas of the Week

#2 THIS WEEK IN COMICS MOVIES: STORIES THAT WERE QUICKLY DEBUNKED

Marvel (Disney) and DC (Warner Bros) are obviously locked in a big corporate tug of war that shadows the long standing rivalry between the comic book companies and their fans. This week, there were two different big stories for both sides, and in both cases, they were quickly debunked. However, they were still big stories for the hours that they were still believed to be real things, and so we'll address them here. On the DC side, there was the story that WB had started talks to Ben Affleck about directing the Justice League movie, with the hope that he would also take an unspecified role in the film. Within 10 hours, however, that story was struck down almost entirely, with the gist being that, sure, maybe the studio had wanted Ben Affleck, but there was no way he was actually going to do it. That one's pretty simple, but the more complicated story this week involved Marvel, and the complication is partly because it's not all wrong. Here's where we start: 20th Century Fox has until October 10th to start filming of their Daredevil reboot, and the director they have in mind is Joe Carnahan (The Grey, The A-Team). All of that appears to still be true. The rest of the story, however, was that in order to get more time, Fox was talking to Marvel about trading the rights back to some of the cosmic Fantastic Four supporting characters to Marvel (namely, Galactus, The Watcher, and the Silver Surfer). Well, that story got knocked down, too. In this case, the sources are saying that Fantastic Four is a higher priority to 20th Century Fox than Daredevil, and there's no way they would give up a classic villain that the studio might want to use again in the future (as a big alien cloud, hopefully not). Anyway, both of these debunking stories should be considered "Rotten Ideas" this week, because in both cases, the story that got shot down seemed pretty "Fresh" to this writer (Affleck directing Justice League, and Marvel getting back cool characters).


#1 THE REGURGITATION OF 1980S POP CULTURE IS NEARLY COMPLETE: ALF TO GET THE SMURFS TREATMENT

There is no denying that Hollywood is deeply and profoundly in love with reviving children's characters from far beyond the actual memory of today's children, and making them into movies, preferably as CGI characters. Sony Pictures had a big success with such exactly a movie in The Smurfs, and now that same studio and that studio exec, have made a deal with Tom Patchett and puppeteer, the creators of ALF. Standing for "alien life form," ALF was an NBC family sitcom about a vaguely Muppet-like pig-snout and 1980s hairdo wearing brown alien who enjoyed cracking jokes and dreamt about eating cats the way 1980s cats dreamt about eating lasagna. There are no writers or directors attached to ALF yet, but the movie is expected to be a CGI/live action hybrid, with Paul Fusco returning as the voice of ALF, who will now be a CGI creature instead of the far more credible felt puppet thing he used to be. As for why this is the week's most Rotten Idea... it's an ALF movie. Unless Sony hires someone like Martin Scorsese and Steve Zaillian to work on it, an ALF movie is sort of doomed to reside down here.

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Sir Phobos

Sir Phobos

That's so cool.

Aug 10 - 06:51 PM

Zach Thomas

Zach Idiculla

Although it wasn't mentioned here, I'd be interested to hear if there was any progress on the Queen movie Sacha Baron Cohen was involved in (as Freddy Mercury).

Aug 10 - 04:50 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

Hollywood Reporter writes "British director Stephen Frears has reportedly emerged as the frontrunner to helm an upcoming Freddie Mercury biopic, which means he might be going from The Queen to...Queen.

The long-in-the-works, still-untitled film will star Sacha Baron Cohen as the beloved singer, who died from complications of AIDS in 1991 at the age of 45. Graham King, who has a hand in seemingly every high-profile movie this century (including last year's Hugo, which starred Cohen), will produce, with biopic veterans Stephen J. Rivele and Christopher Wilkinson (Ali, Nixon) responsible for the most recent iteration of the screenplay.

Surviving members of the rock band, including Brian May, Roger Taylor and John Deacon, are said to be cooperating with licensing Queen's hit songs (i.e., "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "We Will Rock You") for the film, which is expected to focus more on Mercury's rise and stardom than his dark days and eventual passing.

Aug 11 - 10:06 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

5/9/12 . . . Email BRIAN MARDER at Hollywood Reporter for more information. (Rotten Tomatoes KEEP US IN THE DARK. You'd figure if there's a movie about Freedy Mercy and Queen in the works they'd at least mention it on this site. (excuse me, I'm irritable, my sinuses are acting up)

Aug 11 - 10:10 AM

greg_dean_schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

Here's the Weekly Ketchup that covered that news... back in 2010. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1920764/news/1920764/weekly-ketchup-emvoltronem-makes-the-jump-to-the-big-screen/

Aug 17 - 10:45 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

also, IRON MAN 3 is being made in China . . . apparently China now has enough money to buy movie franchises and (encourage)force them to be filmed in Beijing. Essentially AMERICA is being BOUGHT-OUT by China. America is Not For Sale! BS--yes it is.

Aug 11 - 10:22 AM

Alberto Zeeky

Alberto Zeeky

Can someone tell me whether this Gordon Terry guy is just a tremendous troll or not?

Aug 11 - 09:28 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

No, over the years I have truly come to believe that he stands behind what he says. If you want to have some fun tell him that the Omega Man is garbage...

Aug 12 - 02:17 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Gordon has far more interesting posts, even when they're terribly infuriating, than most of the jaded little punks who always comment "nothing interesting this week".

Aug 12 - 06:46 PM

SecondBest

This Guy

Top STory: YEEAAAAH very good.

Fresh:
1. Ehhhhh. I did like The Descendants but im not so sure abou this one.
2. could be funny.
3. both of these guys are hilarious so i am looking forward to it.
4. eh.
5. eh.
6. I do like Jennifer Lawrence but....eh.
7. yeah.

Rotten:
2. I really liked Gone Baby Gone and The Town, but I feel he would have been the wrong choice for this.
1. I have not seen the Smurfs movie so i cant judge this but it still does not sound the like something i am interested in.

Aug 10 - 05:03 PM

Andrew I.

Andrew Imrie

Have you seen Payne's other films? Until the guy makes a bad movie, I will see anything with his name attached, no matter how mundane it sounds.

Aug 11 - 01:52 AM

Andrew I.

Andrew Imrie

I should amend that: I will see anything with him as director. He's had a couple misses in the screenwriting department.

Aug 11 - 01:56 AM

Kadeem S.

Kadeem Stewart

New Avengers sequel and television? New Bill and Ted?0 New ALF movie? Wow. Hollywood is going crazy up in here.

Aug 10 - 05:48 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

BILL AND TED GET PEGGED . . . best new comedy idea. Without George Carlin, any sequel will fail. No Rufus NO sequel. Not really, I'm sure Hollywood will pull something nice out of its head--people rarely set-out to make bad movies and it will be a healthy dose of nostalgia seeing Keaneuu Reeves playing a 45 year old Ted Logan. Alex Winter (Bill S. Preston, Esq.) can't seem to rise above BEN 10 movies -- I guess he hasn't sold his soul to Hollywood yet in order to reach higher echelons. A Bill and Ted revival will revive Alex Winter's career.

Aug 11 - 10:18 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

Pegging is a (CENSORED) in which a woman (CENSORED) with a (CENSORED). The neologism "pegging" was popularized when it became the winning entry in a contest in Dan Savage's Savage Love. The BBFC (British Board of Film Censors) wields its hand even here in my Rotten Tomatoes' posts.

Aug 11 - 10:31 AM

Cinema-Maniac

Caesar Mendez

Jennifer Lawrence new movie sounds interesting, but at the same time sounds like it could be a disaster. Though nonetheless I'm still going to see it.

An Avenger sequel could be interesting if Joss Whedon takes a more personal approach with the characters instead simply making it bigger on action. Got to wait and see what he makes of it.

Aug 10 - 06:06 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

yes, making The Avengers more personal would help off-set the "CGI-FEST" (Computer Generated Image) that its being criticized of being; both The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-man (two other Super Hero Movies) seemed personal in nature--THE DARK KNIGHT had OCCUPY! themes and betrayal and courage motifs and THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN featured a good love story and had effectively viscerally scary music by James Horner

Aug 11 - 10:37 AM

bigbrother

Bigbrother .

and neither were as critically or financially well received as the CGI-fest The Avengers. First time I've ever heard that criticism. Please enlighten me how you have a thunder god without CGI? Do you just sit around with a camera and wait for lightening?

Aug 11 - 08:40 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

I found that TDKR actually had anti-occupy themes to it. The rich were rounded up and dropped into a frozen river. Their homes were ransacked and destroyed. The poor and less fortunate obviously couldn't operate as a society. These are clearly the arguments against the occupy movement. I think we were kind of suppose to root for the rich guy. And in the end, I still enjoyed The Avengers more than TDKR and Spiderman.

Aug 12 - 02:21 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I think Nolan and TDKR understand the futility of any society with Us vs Them, and less interested in picking one side over another. Remember from "Begins", the Wayne family was rather unique in their socially progressive work, work that Bruce had to reclaim from the more predatory (Rutger Hauer) business interests. Ralph Nader's "Only the Super Rich Can Save Us" points out the need for cooperation between (as "Metropolis" put it) the "heads" and the "hands" of society.

Aug 12 - 06:54 PM

Luvagoo

Tallulah Robinson

All I have heard is that Whedon aims to definitely amp up the characterisation in Avengers 2 :)

Aug 14 - 05:03 AM

Sir Phobos

Sir Phobos

The Avengers, in my opinion was the best movie of the year. So with Whedon directing the sequel I am very excited for it. Also Bill and Ted 3 will be amazing, those were fantastic movies, with a ton of classic one liners.

Aug 10 - 06:48 PM

Sir Phobos

Sir Phobos

That's so cool.

Aug 10 - 06:51 PM

Jeff Edburg

Jeff Edburg

As a kid, I loved ALF. But I also liked the Smurfs and Alvin and the Chipmunks. Some things are best left in the grave. At least they're getting the original voice, that's one point I'll give them, but nothing more.

Aug 10 - 07:01 PM

bigbrother

Bigbrother .

How is the Reese Witherspoon story fresh? I mean I like Reese, but it's basically an unnamed Romantic Comedy from the guys who brought you Terra Nova (Not Spielberg) and New Girl (The show that really made me realize I hate Zoeey Deschanel). What about that screams box office gold?

Aug 10 - 07:12 PM

Christopher Kulik

Christopher Kulik

1) Funnily enough, I just came home from seeing THE AVENGERS for the third time (completely free, glorious 2D). Whedon really wrote an awesome screenplay, striking gold with every single character; all of their arcs were superbly executed. I've never seen an episode of BUFFY, not familiar with any other Whedon project, but that's all about to change. If he's in for AVENGERS 2, I'm in.

2) Sacha Baron Cohen as a James Bond-like character? Well, BORAT was truly a brilliant satire (admit it, America got punk'd, and it was totally deserved); however, IDIOCRACY has since booted Borat's ass to the curb in terms of repeat viewings. I liked BRUNO enough and I have yet to see THE DICTATOR, waiting patiently for the DVD. I guess I'm in.

3) Well, I haven't seen ANCHORMAN 1 so(yawn)...sorry, never been a Will Ferrell fan. So there!

4) I loved Reese back in the day, but she's made nothing but pathetic crap since her Oscar win for WALK THE LINE; not only is practically all of them RT rotten, but she's just phoning it in every time, so I'm now ignoring her.

5) I've fallen hard for Jennifer Lawrence after WINTER'S BONE and THE HUNGER GAMES, so I'll watch anything she does, even if it's a period piece. Hopefully she doesn't end up like Reese after a decade.

6) I'm a full-time educator, but I don't teach history. That being said, if I did, I would show BILL & TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE to my high school class to kick off the school year. What can I say? It's one of the greatest comedies ever made, possibly even the best to come out of the entire decade of the 1980s. It's one of those rare pieces of entertainment that makes history "cool", and it completely justifies why we should study it in the first place. Remember what Keanu Reeves says in the movie about Rufus, played by the wonderful George Carlin (RIP): "Listen to this dude Rufus, he knows what he's talking about." Keanu isn't joking, either: Carlin knew exactly what he was talking about, particularly when it came to the real owners of America.

7) Does anyone remember seeing that Project: ALF movie that was made for TV in 1996? I would rather watch that again than a CGI version; why can't they just go old school and use the puppet? The puppet and his dialogue was actually funny, even if the show itself (and the actors) was a complete and utter embarrassment. Stop feeding us this pig slop Hollywood!

Aug 10 - 07:59 PM

Alan Smithee

Alan Smithee

Amazing how many people like to look past how extremely flawed The Avengers is. First the team fights in the woods for five minutes without even wondering why Loki didn't take off for the Bahamas. Then you have the Power Ranger wannabe Loki and his plot device scepter that's used to fill in every single crack. And let's not forget how the Hulk conveniently learns to control himself and becomes one of the gang in one of the lamest reunion scenes put to film. The list goes on and on.

It's a cgi spectacle. Nothing more, nothing less.

Aug 11 - 01:34 AM

Ferzan Uddin

Ferzan Uddin

Thank you, The Avengers is just about flawed as TDKR is I'd say (perhaps more), but no one bothered to criticize that one.

And its funny how this "all of their arcs were superbly executed." is totally and completely false. THATS the major flaw in this one.

Iron Man goes through THE EXACT SAME ARC as in the first films. How does no one realize that. lol screw the world, I need coulsons death to make me care. Uh WHAT ABOUT YINSEN, is his influence on you gone now?

Thor doesn't go through anything. First off, we get an explanation that makes no sense as to how he got to earth and then he starts fighting Iron Man. Yup screw the message of peace with humans at the end of his first film.

Cap is only humiliated by jokes throughout. His isolation, NEVER, explored seriously except for one camera shot going around him during the war. I guess he learns Fury is all about using weapons for war, which is a plus for the film, but in the end its like everyone drops it. Is it ever even told if they nixed that plan?

Now Hulk, yes Hulk, is probably the best as a character in this but still the message at the end is so unclear. He was the best, yet Marvel is deciding to screw him and not continue his film series. Well, he learned he's not the only monster in the group, but hey the whole team abandons him and he's alone again. Will we explore that again? Hell no, screw our characters, Hulk only made minimal profits in his film.

Avengers was an average film that in my opinion has people hypnotized because of those spectacular last 30 minutes and overused comedy.

Aug 11 - 02:22 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

yes, Thank You Alan Smithee!!!! You are the voice of reason here on R-T . . . The Avengers is only good for what it is. Maybe with the new trend of American franchises being made and filmed by China, we will get more intelligent movies. (again, if you haven't heard, IRON MAN 3 is being financed by and filmed in CHINA. AMERICA IS BANKRUPT and is being BOUGHT-UP by China . . . slowly but surely.) --- Made in China.

Aug 11 - 10:27 AM

David Maynard

David Maynard

Alan, Bruce Banner gained the ability to control his transformation to the Hulk at the end of the Incredible Hulk movie. If you remember, he was meditating and then opened his eyes to show that he initiated the change. Before his transformation in the Avengers he kept referring to his "Party Trick." I think he meant his ability to transform at will. The transformation seems to require a lot of mental concentration. When he gets startled or caught off guard, like the explosion on the heli-carrier, he does not have control of the change therefore the Hulk is in control and reacts based on instinct.

Aug 11 - 06:52 PM

Rated NCC-1701

Rated NCC-1701

How many times does this have to be explained? Loki wasn't a Power Ranger... Green Goblin is! GET IT RIGHT.

Aug 12 - 10:27 PM

Joe O'Leary

Joe O'Leary

If you idiots are going to try and pick holes in a movie at least watch the films properly:
i) Yinsen inspired Stark to use his weapons for good; Coulson inspired him to be a team player
ii) Loki doesn't bail in the forest because he wants to be caught
iii) Banner hulks out on the heli-carrier spontaneously because he gets fucked up from the explosion, it's well established before that, that he can usually control it
iiii) Your criticism of the use of the sceptre as a plot-device doesn't deserve a second thought
iiiii) Thor fights Iron-Man because he wants to take Loki away from Earth to save it and gets resistance
iiiiii) There's no need whatsoever to dwell on Captain America's "isolation" because he's a soldier and just wants to get shit done

The Avengers is a comic-book movie and a damn fine one, if you wanna pick holes in it to sound contrivantly individualistic; why not watch the movie properly?! And then after you've found such holes, tell yourself "oh yeah, it's based on a COMIC-BOOK"

Aug 11 - 04:08 PM

Ferzan Uddin

Ferzan Uddin

i)?? Yinsen inspired Tony Stark to do good, period. By not being a team player, he was jeopardizing the whole planet. Also, when did Pepper Potts become such a slut. Wheres that smart and distanced character from the first 2? WHAT WAS HER POINT IN THIS FILM EVEN!? You shouldn't need a comedic and forced death to inspire characters to save the world. They should do it to you know...SAVE THE WORLD.

ii) Still is never elaborated upon how Loki and Thor got there. How did Loki even meet the aliens? Why is he conquering earth? To please his father? Didn't the first movie prove Odin hates him for that? So he wants to conquer earth and than do what? Why is the tone so uneven that he's making jokes after grinding a mans eye out?

iii) Fucked up by an explosion? He's shot at the end of Incredible Hulk by tanks but still keeps his will and willingly escapes. Inconsistency much.

iv) Not my complaint

v) Why is Thors response do not touch me again? How about, human I mean you no harm? To which Iron Man would respond rashly like I do or something. Thor isn't all angry at the end of Thor. He understands Humans, yeah he was hit aside by Iron Man. But its like, screw Odins teachings on human cooperation, let me throw harsh words the first chance I get. Iron Mans the cocky one who wants to fight. Thor WAS that until he changed.

vi) "There's no need whatsoever to dwell on Captain America's "isolation" because he's a soldier and just wants to get shit done "

What....WHAT. That doesn't mean anything. There is no justification for terrible character development. I don't give 2 rats if he was a soldier, his out of timeness was only a joke

Aug 11 - 08:19 PM

bigbrother

Bigbrother .

Are you familiar with the concept of Ego? Adolph Hitler shouldn't have tried to conquer Europe and commit genocide against the Jews, but guess what he did. Tiger Woods shouldn't have cheated on his wife and slept with anything with square boobs and pulse, but there ya go. P.S. What the hell kind of movie would it have been if they just all agreed and went about saving the world. You realize conflict is interesting right?

2. They explain how Thor got there. Odin sent him, he's the king of the gods, it doesn't require explanation after that. Loki met the aliens after he fell thru the worm hole at the end of Thor. Also explained. There are several reasons blatantly obvious why Loki wants to conquer the world if you pay attention. Vengeance on Thor and Odin, Fear of Thanos and a desire to survive because Loki is nothing if not a survivor, to prove his self-worth and prove he's better than Thor by becoming a king and he's a megalomaniac, no real explanation needed beyond that.

3. He willingly changed at the end of his movie, on the Helicarrier the change was forced upon him by the attack and it's also hinted he was being manipulated by Loki. The scene with the spear.

4. Thor is a god. How many powerful people do you know who are completely without ego? If you could shatter mountains, do you think you'd turn the other cheek if someone pushed you? Also he was dealing with his brother. Go ahead and stick your nose in the business of two brothers who are having a disagreement. See how that works out for you. Plus, do you think people just change over night? One day they're one thing and the next day they're something else with no relapses or growing pains. Ask an alcoholic about that. There's a reason that alcoholics say they're never cured of it even after decades without a drink. The same holds true with people with anger issue's.

5. So you bag on Tony Stark for not putting his ego and issues aside and "Just saving the world", but you bag on Cap for doing just that? Which is it? Inconsistency much? Aside from the war flashback at the beginning and the punching bag scene and not going out which clearly showed Cap was having issue's adjusting the rest of the movie he was totally amidst a world threatening crisis. I would think a soldiers reaction, especially one whose character was established like Cap's was would be to put your problems on the back burner and get along with saving the world.

Lastly, you do realize if they made the movie your way it would have been the most boring movie ever made right? That's why Joss Whedon gets paid millions for directing movie's and you and I just pay $15 to see them and comment on them on RT.

Aug 11 - 09:09 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

I too saw some of the flaws mentioned by you guys but, to me, they are very dismissible when compared to the shear fun that was The Avengers. Keep up the good work, Whedon.

Aug 12 - 03:55 PM

JS

j s

Ferzan, you're stupid is really showing. All the topics you mentioned are addressed clearly in Avengers. Pay attention, man.

Aug 12 - 06:21 PM

Joe O'Leary

Joe O'Leary

Big Brother saved me a retort! But I really don't get your reaction to my point about Captain America, it's always been in his character to be selfless, so putting his problems to one side to save the world isn't THAT ridiculous surely?!

I'd also like to apologise for the insulting nature of my first comment, 'twas a trifle unnecessary to say the least. I suppose the decision for accepting a films plot explanations are based on whether or not you liked the movie in the first place.

Aug 13 - 04:23 AM

Luvagoo

Tallulah Robinson

Also, I'd like to see these people write a movie with detailed, emotional character arcs for 6, 7 main characters. Have fun. This was the BOOM introduction to the Avengers. Literally. This is why we have a Marvel UNIVERSE to explore with smart people in charge.

Aug 14 - 05:08 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Bruce Dern is awesome. One of the strangest actors of the 70s, I suggest folks check out "King of Marvin Gardens", "Coming Home" and "Family Plot" to get a notion of why his pairing with Alexander Payne could have potential. (Plus there's the fact that all of Payne's films have been enjoyable.)

I have my fingers crossed that SBC isn't intending on playing both brothers using trick photography.

"Swear to God" actually sounds fine to me. Gee, I wonder how in the world the "Due Date" duo could possibly need a rewrite.

The next three stories are sorely lacking in essential information. I'm tempted to make an inappropriate Ryan Phillipe joke however. As an "auteurist", I need directors before I get excited.

I've been joking about an ALF movie for awhile, in the context that it's pretty close to the bottom of the barrel for 80s shows to make into movies (I was there, folks). What? Too good for "Night Court"?

Aug 10 - 08:19 PM

Christopher Kulik

Christopher Kulik

ALF was just a poorly done sitcom, though it was heaven compared to SMALL WONDER or FULL HOUSE...OWWW, more Novocaine please!

Aug 10 - 08:23 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

"YOU'VE GOT A WOMAN TRAPPED NAKED IN THE BATHTUB AND YOU'RE STILL NOT SELLING TICKETS"- Bruce Dern, King of Marvin Gardens. "WHEN YOU'RE IN THE FUUNHOUSE HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO'S CRAZY!"--Jack Nicholson, King of Marvin Gardens.//of course The Best Bruce Dern Movie IS WORLD GONE WILD!!!!!//your posts are continually awesome--chock full with good information.

Aug 11 - 10:03 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

And you, Gordon, are the Bruce Dern of RT comments. (*compliment*)

Aug 12 - 07:01 PM

Christopher Kulik

Christopher Kulik

ALF was just a poorly done sitcom, though it was heaven compared to SMALL WONDER or FULL HOUSE...OWWW, more Novocaine please!

Aug 10 - 08:23 PM

Tom C.

Tom Carter

I've seen very few occasions nowadays where CGI aliens blend in well with a live action movie, with an example being PAUL. I HAVE to wonder how this ALF movie will turn out...

Aug 10 - 09:57 PM

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