12 Facts About 2012

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr on 11-2-2009 07:40 AM

2012 looks like a HUGE a waste of time and money (to me) . . .
and that's a fact.

Mann is the Man on 11-2-2009 09:04 AM

Gordo seems like a HUGE wast of this message board space (to me)....
and that's a fact.

The NewHampshire Database on 11-2-2009 09:06 AM

Was going to say the same thing. Couldn't agree more.

K on 11-2-2009 04:32 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha that was so epic man, lol.

Damien Lives on 11-3-2009 02:08 PM

you suck

Max the Movie Kid on 11-2-2009 07:52 AM

2012. Oh, 2012. 2012, 2012, 2012. I've seen it advertised everywhere, and the special effects, epic song and horrible rip-offs are just forcing me to see it, no matter how wrong and anti-Hollywood it will be...

I think the 2012 hype is damaging everyone's brains, and hopefully I'll be a survivor of the mental retardation plague...

hugz4thugz on 11-2-2009 08:06 AM

Fact #13: It sucks

Escapefromalcatraz on 11-2-2009 08:11 AM

"German" accent? Isn't Arnold Austrian?

islaguezul on 11-2-2009 09:46 AM

Austrians speak German, sillykins.

Kevlegs on 11-3-2009 03:32 AM

Escapefromalcatraz writes:
on Nov 02 2009 08:11 AM

"German" accent? Isn't Arnold Austrian?

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German is the official Austrian language. Idiot lol

Bigbrother on 11-3-2009 04:41 AM

In his defense though it is a different accent. Like American's, English, Welsh and South African's all speak English, but the accent is different. Same for Austro-Germanians.

zetabosio on 11-3-2009 02:41 PM

In Austria they speak German... not "Austrian."

Regarding the Mecca, on the end it's just a movie. Why stir unwanted publicity when you already have millions of dollars in your fully-controlled marketing campaign budget?

Most of the disaster movies are just about entertainment. So I expect this one to entertain me, not to be "re-born" or bring environmental or spiritual awareness, or to be enlightened by History or the Mayan insight. And well, if it does it effectively and "uncornily", that would be a plus.

vashfanatic on 11-2-2009 08:16 AM

"no one disputes the fact that their sophisticated 'Long Count' calendar comes to a crashing halt on December 21, 2012."

I dispute it. Almost every Mayanist in the world disputes it. The Long Count measures time from the supposed start of the world; what comes to an end in December of 2012 is the 12th bak'tun, a period of a little under 400 years. It's more like an odometer rolling around than an end. Mayan monuments list dates for times later than 2012. The Mayan number system is based on 20, so we won't "run out" of bak'tuns for more than a thousand years - and some Mayan monuments use an even larger measurement, a pik'tun, so there are potentially dates even further in the future.

The whole end of the world scenario is a Western, Christian idea grafted onto a Mayan cosmology. What's more, the ties to "quetzalcoatl" and a shift in the earth's crust (major earthquakes) are actually related to the AZTECS, not the Mayans - and the Aztecs anticipated the world ending already. Don't spread this stupid misinformation any further than it already has been. The Mayans DID NOT believe the world would end in 2012.

John A. on 11-2-2009 08:44 AM

Thank you vashfanatic for posting pretty much my thoughts on the subject.

I have nothing against blowing **** up in movies, but making **** up about real-world events in order to play on people's paranoia does kind of annoy me, especially when the truth would make a far more interesting movie.

AetasMutuo on 11-2-2009 09:19 AM

"vashfanatic" is right.

Also, disaster porn has always been fashionable. With few exceptions, it is just being made for a lower and lower common denominator as the years roll on. Dumbing things down and making them more sensational are always more entertaining and profitable ventures... That has always been the case.

Eric B. on 11-2-2009 09:29 AM

Dude, its a f***ing movie. Get off your intellectual high horse. If the entertainment business was full of **** heads like you we'd never see a good film in theatres.

vashfanatic on 11-2-2009 09:41 AM

Hey, like I said, I don't mind that they say, in the movie, that the world will end on 2012. I mean, why not? As a work of fiction you can say whatever you want and have a lot of fun with it, be it science or religion or history. Example: "Gladiator" may play fast and lose with what actually happened, but it makes for a really good story.

It's the insistence that in the REAL WORLD the Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012 that is stupid and that I have a problem with. Roland Emmerich can say what he wants in his movie, it's this article's claim that the 2012 prediction is "fact" that ticks me off.

Nic C. on 11-6-2009 11:23 AM

if you actually read the opening two sentences of this article. It says "Did the Mayans really predict, all those centuries ago, that Earth would be visited by planetary apocalypse three years from now? It's open to interpretation."
They do not say at any point that the world ending in 2012 is a FACT as you are so insistent that they did. They say it's just an INTERPRETATION.
Get your facts straight before you post a comment having ago at them for saying something that they never did.

Eric B. on 11-2-2009 09:35 AM

Oh, by the way, King Kong was a prophecy the Mayans exposed in their writings of Skull Island.

IBelievedInHarveyDent on 11-2-2009 11:34 AM

Hey, Eric B. How about you get off your low-end ****-horse. I'm sorry that most people like movies that are actually GOOD. And if the entertainment business was full of "dickheads like him" we'd ONLY SEE GOOD MOVIES.

Oh, and hey, DOUGKIP, how about you stop generalizing Americans with your "Facts." I live in the US and I have not talked to one person who isn't generally disgusted that this crap actually got greenlit. Just because Hollywood is located in the US DOES NOT mean that every single American wanted this movie to get made. Just realize that next time you post, friend.

Paul M. on 11-2-2009 08:29 AM

"That's the problem with our world. If you would destroy Mecca, I would have a fatwa on my head. So we stayed away from it."

But killing Christians is OK because we won't fly planes into buildings killing thousands of civilians.

So cowardly Roland...screw the radical muslims...I say we show Mecca being overrun by pigs.

Hamboner on 11-2-2009 10:16 AM

"I say they show Mecca being overrun by pigs"

Hateful stuff man... go get laid.

blattman on 11-2-2009 10:33 AM

I have to agree. If you kill off one religious site, they are all fair game.

saucerboy666 on 11-2-2009 02:52 PM

yeah... do you remember a little thing called, the crusades? dumb-***?

Poester99 P. on 05-2-2010 06:25 AM

The Crusades? You mean the failed attempts to take back the lands that Muslims Conquered? No, I don't, because I wasn't there, were you?
Read about them though.

Johan D. on 11-2-2009 08:37 AM

Does anyone really care about the "facts" concerning the Mayan calendar? It's a disaster flick. The only thing you really need for a good disaster flick is a just "premise" about something bad and then let the whole thing unfold an enjoy the mayhem.

What if..
A high rise caught fire = Towering Inferno
The pilot/co-pilot were incapacitated = Airport
Global warming caused an ice age = Day After Tomorrow
Nuclear testing created a large lizard = Godzilla

So who cares if there is a calendar, a prophecy, the actual biological means of radiation making lizards grow or whether global warming is real. All we want is to see arrogant modern man beat by something he can't control. Just to bring him down a few notches right? So I say destroy a lot of stuff and kill lots of people in interesting ways and you'll have a winner. Oh and I suppose a plot and some dialog would good too. :)

vashfanatic on 11-2-2009 09:27 AM

I don't have a problem using any premise, no matter how crazy, to make a disaster film; but claiming that it's a fact, that the Mayans really did predict this, is just wrong and even irresponsible. A host of cable channels have jumped on this bandwagon, running scare-tactic shows about how every prophecy in the world somehow says it'll all come crashing down in 2012. In the name of truth, you need to make it clear that this is just a premise, not a real prophecy.

Andrew W. on 11-2-2009 08:55 AM

Believing that the world will end in 2012 has been a preposterous creation in western civilization. As pointed out before, the calendar just ends on that date it doesn't mean the Mayans predicted the end of the world. The next ring of dates either was not made or was destroyed and lost in history.

All of the hype and promotion around this film just makes me think its going to be really awful. Emmerich hasn't made a good film since The Patriot.

Chris C. on 11-2-2009 09:00 AM

So where do we go from here? He's apparently destroying the entire planet in this one. I suppose his next movie will involve all of the plantes in our solar system spinning out of orbit and colliding all at once creating a space cloud so big it extinguishes the sun. Will there be any survivors? Was it Dick Cheney's fault again? Will Algore steal scenes from that movie and put them in his next movie and pretend they're actually real footage?

Salty Gritts on 11-2-2009 09:11 AM

This movie looks like complete and utter crap. Godzilla anyone? Because that's all I can think of when I watch the trailer for this film.

As for the real 2012 apocalypse, if the would really does end in 2012, all I can say is it's about damn time, we're long overdue for a global apocalypse.

kenekgo on 11-2-2009 09:18 AM

Actually, I think Gordon's posts are improving. This might be his best.

mastershake616 on 11-2-2009 09:37 AM

0-10% on the Tomatometer most likely. Will probably be worse than Godzilla.

Playboy Slim on 11-2-2009 09:45 AM

Why would anyone want to see this? Did anyone see the trailer? It looks awful. Maybe so-bad-it's-good awful. But, maybe not.

Joe Utichi on 11-2-2009 09:52 AM

vashfanatic - we absolutely didn't insist that the Mayans predicted the end of the world in this piece. We don't do that in the intro and we don't do it in the quote you'd picked out. If anything I'd argue the piece goes to lengths to dispute the notion that there was an apocalyptic prediction within the calendar, whether or not it goes into academic detail about the circumstances surrounding the movie's concept.

vashfanatic on 11-2-2009 09:58 AM

Um, yes you do. You say believing the "prediction," as well as its details, is up in the air, but that the calendar really does indisputably end in 2012, which it does not. Unless you change the quote I offered, you are still spreading the misinformation.

Joe Utichi on 11-2-2009 10:05 AM

Per your information I've changed the line to read, "but their sophisticated 'Long Count' calendar does comes to the end of a cycle on December 21, 2012." Inasmuch as this is a piece about a Hollywood movie, I think that's as much detail as we can reasonably go into.

vashfanatic on 11-2-2009 10:13 AM

Thank you! :)

dj Mark on 11-2-2009 01:06 PM

Totally off subject, but Vashfanatic, is your name a reference to a certain Captain's nefarious archeologist girlfriend?

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST on 11-2-2009 11:10 AM

Product Placement for this HORRIBLE looking movie should be interesting. . .

quietus28 on 11-2-2009 11:12 AM

Decisively, no, the Mayans didn't predict the end of the world in 2012. It's all psuedo-science and new age mysticism that perpetuates that notion.

quietus28 on 11-2-2009 11:14 AM

Even if the Mayans did predict the end of the world, why would anyone trust something so old, from a race that essentially no longer exists? Their world effectively ended a long time ago.

Dave J. on 11-2-2009 11:15 AM

2012, Armageddon, Deep Impact, Daylights, The Day After Tomorrow, maybe even Twister, I wonder how many more movies like this are we gonna get!!! Until one of them is not going to make any money!!! This one could do well if this new generation didn't see these other disaster flicks.

Playboy Slim on 11-2-2009 11:24 AM

Despite the fact that "2012" looks stupid to everyone, it will still make sadly make money.

Playboy Slim on 11-2-2009 11:25 AM

"...it will still make sadly make money."

**** me.

dougkip on 11-2-2009 11:25 AM

Fact: Another 'disaster' movie has already been in theatres this year.

Fact: Said movie was a huge box office success.

Fact: Said movie was also critical bomb and had no redeeming qualities about it whatsoever.

Fact: This shows Americans are bloody stupid and pay to see **** being blown up and destroyed while lesser known, quality movies flounder.

GST on 11-2-2009 10:02 PM

Huh.... that's weird. Last time I checked, 52% of Transformers 2's gross came from OUTSIDE of the U.S.

Americans aren't the only people who eat this **** up.

Stupidity is global, sir. Please don't generalize Americans as all a bunch of lazy Transformers 2 loving football/baseball fanatics. That's like me saying all british are annoying "high class" humor loving goody two shoes with horrible teeth who kill each other over soccer. Its just not true for everybody.

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