12 Facts About 2012

We take a journey through Roland Emmerich's disaster epic.

2012

Fact #5: Emmerich Didn't Touch Manhattan... Or Mecca

"I wanted to stay away from New York because I had destroyed it too many times. So I said, 'No New York this time.'" Instead, the skyscraping metropolis pictured is Downtown LA. As for Mecca, Emmerich originally planned to dish out the same destructive pulverising to the Muslim holy site that he unleashes on the rest of the world in 2012. But he bottled it. "That's the problem with our world. If you would destroy Mecca, I would have a fatwa on my head. So we stayed away from it." The Vatican on the other hand? It crumbles to dust, taking out a few thousand Catholic worshippers on the way.


2012

Fact #6: 3D Was Never an Option

"I'm not sure about 3D yet," Emmerich tells us. "It's different when you're James Cameron and you have three and a half years. But we had so many scenes with actors in these situations that I thought it was probably too dangerous to shoot in 3D. I want to see Avatar, and then I'll make a judgement. So far what I have seen in 3D was not convincing to me. Whenever I see a 3D movie, I feel like I'm on mushrooms."

Comments

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

2012 looks like a HUGE a waste of time and money (to me) . . .
and that's a fact.

Nov 2 - 07:40 AM

Mann is the Man

Jonathan Higgins

Gordo seems like a HUGE wast of this message board space (to me)....
and that's a fact.

Nov 2 - 09:04 AM

The NewHampshire Database

Kirk McCarty

Was going to say the same thing. Couldn't agree more.

Nov 2 - 09:06 AM

K

KateBeckinsaleLover Clarke

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha that was so epic man, lol.

Nov 2 - 04:32 PM

Damien Lives

m x

you suck

Nov 3 - 02:08 PM

Max the Movie Kid

Max Chittock

2012. Oh, 2012. 2012, 2012, 2012. I've seen it advertised everywhere, and the special effects, epic song and horrible rip-offs are just forcing me to see it, no matter how wrong and anti-Hollywood it will be...

I think the 2012 hype is damaging everyone's brains, and hopefully I'll be a survivor of the mental retardation plague...

Nov 2 - 07:52 AM

gay4god

Bob Cool Guy

Fact #13: It sucks

Nov 2 - 08:06 AM

Escapefromalcatraz

william thresher

"German" accent? Isn't Arnold Austrian?

Nov 2 - 08:11 AM

islaguezul

Brian Thomas

Austrians speak German, sillykins.

Nov 2 - 09:46 AM

Kevlegs

kevin Carter

Escapefromalcatraz writes:
on Nov 02 2009 08:11 AM

"German" accent? Isn't Arnold Austrian?

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German is the official Austrian language. Idiot lol

Nov 3 - 03:32 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

In his defense though it is a different accent. Like American's, English, Welsh and South African's all speak English, but the accent is different. Same for Austro-Germanians.

Nov 3 - 04:41 AM

zetabosio

Jorge Gonzalez

In Austria they speak German... not "Austrian."

Regarding the Mecca, on the end it's just a movie. Why stir unwanted publicity when you already have millions of dollars in your fully-controlled marketing campaign budget?

Most of the disaster movies are just about entertainment. So I expect this one to entertain me, not to be "re-born" or bring environmental or spiritual awareness, or to be enlightened by History or the Mayan insight. And well, if it does it effectively and "uncornily", that would be a plus.

Nov 3 - 02:41 PM

vashfanatic

Martha Boatright

"no one disputes the fact that their sophisticated 'Long Count' calendar comes to a crashing halt on December 21, 2012."

I dispute it. Almost every Mayanist in the world disputes it. The Long Count measures time from the supposed start of the world; what comes to an end in December of 2012 is the 12th bak'tun, a period of a little under 400 years. It's more like an odometer rolling around than an end. Mayan monuments list dates for times later than 2012. The Mayan number system is based on 20, so we won't "run out" of bak'tuns for more than a thousand years - and some Mayan monuments use an even larger measurement, a pik'tun, so there are potentially dates even further in the future.

The whole end of the world scenario is a Western, Christian idea grafted onto a Mayan cosmology. What's more, the ties to "quetzalcoatl" and a shift in the earth's crust (major earthquakes) are actually related to the AZTECS, not the Mayans - and the Aztecs anticipated the world ending already. Don't spread this stupid misinformation any further than it already has been. The Mayans DID NOT believe the world would end in 2012.

Nov 2 - 08:16 AM

John A.

John Arminio

Thank you vashfanatic for posting pretty much my thoughts on the subject.

I have nothing against blowing **** up in movies, but making **** up about real-world events in order to play on people's paranoia does kind of annoy me, especially when the truth would make a far more interesting movie.

Nov 2 - 08:44 AM

AetasMutuo

J A

"vashfanatic" is right.

Also, disaster porn has always been fashionable. With few exceptions, it is just being made for a lower and lower common denominator as the years roll on. Dumbing things down and making them more sensational are always more entertaining and profitable ventures... That has always been the case.

Nov 2 - 09:19 AM

Eric B.

Eric Bocik

Dude, its a f***ing movie. Get off your intellectual high horse. If the entertainment business was full of **** heads like you we'd never see a good film in theatres.

Nov 2 - 09:29 AM

vashfanatic

Martha Boatright

Hey, like I said, I don't mind that they say, in the movie, that the world will end on 2012. I mean, why not? As a work of fiction you can say whatever you want and have a lot of fun with it, be it science or religion or history. Example: "Gladiator" may play fast and lose with what actually happened, but it makes for a really good story.

It's the insistence that in the REAL WORLD the Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012 that is stupid and that I have a problem with. Roland Emmerich can say what he wants in his movie, it's this article's claim that the 2012 prediction is "fact" that ticks me off.

Nov 2 - 09:41 AM

Nic C.

Nic Charge

if you actually read the opening two sentences of this article. It says "Did the Mayans really predict, all those centuries ago, that Earth would be visited by planetary apocalypse three years from now? It's open to interpretation."
They do not say at any point that the world ending in 2012 is a FACT as you are so insistent that they did. They say it's just an INTERPRETATION.
Get your facts straight before you post a comment having ago at them for saying something that they never did.

Nov 6 - 11:23 AM

alan n.

alan nelson

previous comment is correct, they had a interview and yes they did comment that they believed it was true. doesnt state in the opening scene of the film, but they did comment on this.

Nov 14 - 08:52 AM

Eric B.

Eric Bocik

Oh, by the way, King Kong was a prophecy the Mayans exposed in their writings of Skull Island.

Nov 2 - 09:35 AM

IBelievedInHarveyDent

Jim Huete

Hey, Eric B. How about you get off your low-end ****-horse. I'm sorry that most people like movies that are actually GOOD. And if the entertainment business was full of "dickheads like him" we'd ONLY SEE GOOD MOVIES.

Oh, and hey, DOUGKIP, how about you stop generalizing Americans with your "Facts." I live in the US and I have not talked to one person who isn't generally disgusted that this crap actually got greenlit. Just because Hollywood is located in the US DOES NOT mean that every single American wanted this movie to get made. Just realize that next time you post, friend.

Nov 2 - 11:34 AM

Paul M.

Paul Manzione

"That's the problem with our world. If you would destroy Mecca, I would have a fatwa on my head. So we stayed away from it."

But killing Christians is OK because we won't fly planes into buildings killing thousands of civilians.

So cowardly Roland...screw the radical muslims...I say we show Mecca being overrun by pigs.

Nov 2 - 08:29 AM

Hamboner

Brian Lorenzen

"I say they show Mecca being overrun by pigs"

Hateful stuff man... go get laid.

Nov 2 - 10:16 AM

blattman

Mike Greenblatt

I have to agree. If you kill off one religious site, they are all fair game.

Nov 2 - 10:33 AM

saucerboy666

eric williams

yeah... do you remember a little thing called, the crusades? dumb-***?

Nov 2 - 02:52 PM

Poester99 P.

Poester99 Poester

The Crusades? You mean the failed attempts to take back the lands that Muslims Conquered? No, I don't, because I wasn't there, were you?
Read about them though.

May 2 - 06:25 AM

Johan D.

Johan Dogh

Does anyone really care about the "facts" concerning the Mayan calendar? It's a disaster flick. The only thing you really need for a good disaster flick is a just "premise" about something bad and then let the whole thing unfold an enjoy the mayhem.

What if..
A high rise caught fire = Towering Inferno
The pilot/co-pilot were incapacitated = Airport
Global warming caused an ice age = Day After Tomorrow
Nuclear testing created a large lizard = Godzilla

So who cares if there is a calendar, a prophecy, the actual biological means of radiation making lizards grow or whether global warming is real. All we want is to see arrogant modern man beat by something he can't control. Just to bring him down a few notches right? So I say destroy a lot of stuff and kill lots of people in interesting ways and you'll have a winner. Oh and I suppose a plot and some dialog would good too. :)

Nov 2 - 08:37 AM

vashfanatic

Martha Boatright

I don't have a problem using any premise, no matter how crazy, to make a disaster film; but claiming that it's a fact, that the Mayans really did predict this, is just wrong and even irresponsible. A host of cable channels have jumped on this bandwagon, running scare-tactic shows about how every prophecy in the world somehow says it'll all come crashing down in 2012. In the name of truth, you need to make it clear that this is just a premise, not a real prophecy.

Nov 2 - 09:27 AM

John A.

John Arminio

Thank you vashfanatic for posting pretty much my thoughts on the subject.

I have nothing against blowing **** up in movies, but making **** up about real-world events in order to play on people's paranoia does kind of annoy me, especially when the truth would make a far more interesting movie.

Nov 2 - 08:44 AM

Andrew W.

Andrew Whitefield

Believing that the world will end in 2012 has been a preposterous creation in western civilization. As pointed out before, the calendar just ends on that date it doesn't mean the Mayans predicted the end of the world. The next ring of dates either was not made or was destroyed and lost in history.

All of the hype and promotion around this film just makes me think its going to be really awful. Emmerich hasn't made a good film since The Patriot.

Nov 2 - 08:55 AM

Chris C.

Chris Cavalli

So where do we go from here? He's apparently destroying the entire planet in this one. I suppose his next movie will involve all of the plantes in our solar system spinning out of orbit and colliding all at once creating a space cloud so big it extinguishes the sun. Will there be any survivors? Was it Dick Cheney's fault again? Will Algore steal scenes from that movie and put them in his next movie and pretend they're actually real footage?

Nov 2 - 09:00 AM

Mann is the Man

Jonathan Higgins

Gordo seems like a HUGE wast of this message board space (to me)....
and that's a fact.

Nov 2 - 09:04 AM

The NewHampshire Database

Kirk McCarty

Was going to say the same thing. Couldn't agree more.

Nov 2 - 09:06 AM

K

KateBeckinsaleLover Clarke

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha that was so epic man, lol.

Nov 2 - 04:32 PM

The NewHampshire Database

Kirk McCarty

Was going to say the same thing. Couldn't agree more.

Nov 2 - 09:06 AM

Salty Gritts

Josh McCrohan

This movie looks like complete and utter crap. Godzilla anyone? Because that's all I can think of when I watch the trailer for this film.

As for the real 2012 apocalypse, if the would really does end in 2012, all I can say is it's about damn time, we're long overdue for a global apocalypse.

Nov 2 - 09:11 AM

kenekgo

David Blandino

Actually, I think Gordon's posts are improving. This might be his best.

Nov 2 - 09:18 AM

AetasMutuo

J A

"vashfanatic" is right.

Also, disaster porn has always been fashionable. With few exceptions, it is just being made for a lower and lower common denominator as the years roll on. Dumbing things down and making them more sensational are always more entertaining and profitable ventures... That has always been the case.

Nov 2 - 09:19 AM

vashfanatic

Martha Boatright

I don't have a problem using any premise, no matter how crazy, to make a disaster film; but claiming that it's a fact, that the Mayans really did predict this, is just wrong and even irresponsible. A host of cable channels have jumped on this bandwagon, running scare-tactic shows about how every prophecy in the world somehow says it'll all come crashing down in 2012. In the name of truth, you need to make it clear that this is just a premise, not a real prophecy.

Nov 2 - 09:27 AM

Eric B.

Eric Bocik

Dude, its a f***ing movie. Get off your intellectual high horse. If the entertainment business was full of **** heads like you we'd never see a good film in theatres.

Nov 2 - 09:29 AM

vashfanatic

Martha Boatright

Hey, like I said, I don't mind that they say, in the movie, that the world will end on 2012. I mean, why not? As a work of fiction you can say whatever you want and have a lot of fun with it, be it science or religion or history. Example: "Gladiator" may play fast and lose with what actually happened, but it makes for a really good story.

It's the insistence that in the REAL WORLD the Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012 that is stupid and that I have a problem with. Roland Emmerich can say what he wants in his movie, it's this article's claim that the 2012 prediction is "fact" that ticks me off.

Nov 2 - 09:41 AM

Nic C.

Nic Charge

if you actually read the opening two sentences of this article. It says "Did the Mayans really predict, all those centuries ago, that Earth would be visited by planetary apocalypse three years from now? It's open to interpretation."
They do not say at any point that the world ending in 2012 is a FACT as you are so insistent that they did. They say it's just an INTERPRETATION.
Get your facts straight before you post a comment having ago at them for saying something that they never did.

Nov 6 - 11:23 AM

alan n.

alan nelson

previous comment is correct, they had a interview and yes they did comment that they believed it was true. doesnt state in the opening scene of the film, but they did comment on this.

Nov 14 - 08:52 AM

Eric B.

Eric Bocik

Oh, by the way, King Kong was a prophecy the Mayans exposed in their writings of Skull Island.

Nov 2 - 09:35 AM

IBelievedInHarveyDent

Jim Huete

Hey, Eric B. How about you get off your low-end ****-horse. I'm sorry that most people like movies that are actually GOOD. And if the entertainment business was full of "dickheads like him" we'd ONLY SEE GOOD MOVIES.

Oh, and hey, DOUGKIP, how about you stop generalizing Americans with your "Facts." I live in the US and I have not talked to one person who isn't generally disgusted that this crap actually got greenlit. Just because Hollywood is located in the US DOES NOT mean that every single American wanted this movie to get made. Just realize that next time you post, friend.

Nov 2 - 11:34 AM

mastershake616

Tanner Kish

0-10% on the Tomatometer most likely. Will probably be worse than Godzilla.

Nov 2 - 09:37 AM

vashfanatic

Martha Boatright

Hey, like I said, I don't mind that they say, in the movie, that the world will end on 2012. I mean, why not? As a work of fiction you can say whatever you want and have a lot of fun with it, be it science or religion or history. Example: "Gladiator" may play fast and lose with what actually happened, but it makes for a really good story.

It's the insistence that in the REAL WORLD the Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012 that is stupid and that I have a problem with. Roland Emmerich can say what he wants in his movie, it's this article's claim that the 2012 prediction is "fact" that ticks me off.

Nov 2 - 09:41 AM

Nic C.

Nic Charge

if you actually read the opening two sentences of this article. It says "Did the Mayans really predict, all those centuries ago, that Earth would be visited by planetary apocalypse three years from now? It's open to interpretation."
They do not say at any point that the world ending in 2012 is a FACT as you are so insistent that they did. They say it's just an INTERPRETATION.
Get your facts straight before you post a comment having ago at them for saying something that they never did.

Nov 6 - 11:23 AM

alan n.

alan nelson

previous comment is correct, they had a interview and yes they did comment that they believed it was true. doesnt state in the opening scene of the film, but they did comment on this.

Nov 14 - 08:52 AM

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