25 New Films Enter National Film Registry ... Good Ones, Too!

Every year another 25 films are chosen for "National Film Registry" designation, and it's a pretty big honor to be on that list. I suppose one could look at it like baseball's Hall of Fame -- and this year the bigwigs chose some pretty cool movies ... like "Halloween," "Rocky," "Fargo," and "Blazing Saddles."

I'll let Variety explain it: "A place on the list -- always made up of 25 films -- guarantees the film will be preserved under the terms of the National Film Preservation Act." (Click here for the full article.)

The full list of this year's inductees looks like this:

"Applause" (1929)
"The Big Trail" (1930)
"Blazing Saddles" (1974)
"The Curse of Quon Gwon" (1916-17)
"Daughter of Shanghai" (1937)
"Drums of Winter" (1988)
"Early Abstractions #1-5,7,10" (1939-56)
"Fargo" (1996)
"Flesh and the Devil" (1927)
"Groundhog Day" (1993)
"Halloween" (1978)
"In the Street" (1948/52)
"The Last Command" (1928)
"Notorious" (1946)
"Red Dust" (1932)
"Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania" (1971-72)
"Rocky" (1976)
"sex, lies and videotape" (1989)
"Siege" (1940)
"St. Louis Blues" (1929)
"The T.A.M.I. Show" (1964)
"Tess of the Storm Country" (1914)
"Think of Me First as a Person" (1960-75)
"A Time Out of War" (1954)
"Traffic in Souls" (1913)
--

Don't feel bad if you haven't heard of some of those titles; the National Film Registry prides itself on knowing/supporting the older and/or obscure stuff.

Comments

OAKTREELIVE

Mike Logue

How was Notorious absent from this anyway?

Dec 28 - 05:55 AM

digitalsoul68

Bevan Calo

I'm very surprised (but delighted) that Groundhog Day and Halloween are on that list. GD is a favorite movie of mine and Halloween was one of the ORIGINAL slasher flicks when they were more scary than laughable.

Dec 28 - 06:08 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

I am surprised too. Even that they included Rocky. I mean its good and all and won Best Picture (over Taxi Driver and Network God forbid!) but not worth this honour. Looking for a Boxing movie, they should've included Million Dollar Baby. But I guess it aint old enough for them.

Groundhog Day and Halloween???????????????
Where they trying to be hip or something! I thought they were above all that shit anyways.

Dec 28 - 06:57 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Come on man, I'll concede that Million Dollar Baby was a good movie, but no way is it ever going to achieve the status of Rocky. I bet if you ask any 10 people to name a movie about boxing and give them 5 seconds 8 of them will come up with Rocky. Same story with Halloween, it was sorta the grandaddy of all slasher flix, as for Ground Hog day it has much more cultural impact than you would think. A ton of people I know whenever something repeats itself mention GHD and no one thought in that context before this movie.

I suspect that's what they are looking for Movies that had an influence on our culture. By that standard these all three fit to a greater or lesser extent.

Dec 28 - 08:59 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Are you kidding me? Do you honestly think that Million Dollar Baby is even on the same level as Rocky? Million Dollar Baby sucks and is one of the worst boxing movies ever, it is tied with Rocky 5.

Halloween is what saved the Horror genre, you continue to prove that you know nothing about movies.

Dec 28 - 09:32 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

I honestly think Million Dollar Baby is way better than Rocky. Rocky was just a sappy Cinderella movie. And the level of acting does not even compare. Hillary Swank gets my vote over Sly Stallone.

Dec 29 - 01:40 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I think you'll find most people disagree though. Rocky wasn't just a sappy Cinderella movie. It was THE sappy Cinderella movie (All apologise to Disney). In recent times we forget how things were in the past. because we've seen 30,000 inferior remakes since shouldn't diminish the appeal of the original. For example, alot of people of this generation read Tolkien and say yeah he's using elements that every Sword and Sorcery author uses, BUT that totally wasn't true before Tolkien. Before Tolkien elves were little pint sized creatures that helped Santa make toys. The idea was so good it spawned thousands of immitaters. Same with Rocky. Saying Rocky is just a sappy Cinderella movie is like saying Jaws was just another thriller with a big fish in it or the Godfather was just a gangster movie.

As for the comparison between Sly and Swank. Do you really think people are going to be chanting the girls name from MDB at Swank 20 years from now? I honestly don't. Heck I couldn't even remember what he name was now.

Personally I don't think the level of acting was that far apart. Stallone was perfectly cast as the underdog street kid, Carl Weathers was perfect as the Ali clone, Talia Shire made me really believe she was this shy wallflower and Burgess Meredith come on!!! HE WAS A WRECKIN MACHINE!!!! So who was a bad actor in Rocky again?

Dec 29 - 05:16 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

The acting in Baby is more delicate and nuanced. The prestigious trio of Eastwood, Swank and Freeman form one of the most fully realised ensemble performances in recent years. The movie does not go for chattered territory and is not made to please the crowd. It has much more satisfying character arcs. I rooted much more for Maggie than I ever did for Rocky coz i knew he would 'rise above the odds' by the end. I actually cared for the characters.

As for the name thing, how ridiculous, the movie is called Rocky. If Baby had been called Maggie, wouldn't that name be more familiar.

Dec 29 - 08:53 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

You might have an argument here, except again you have been caught looking at it from a modern view. In Rocky, the first one the movie that we're discussing here ROCKY LOSES!!! He didn't rise above the odds and win until the second movie. Only having been 5 months old at the time I can't say, but having the focal point of your movie, the everyman, the downtrodden underdog lose is not what I call moving thru chartered territory.

Also consider Stallone, who's talents you seem so eager to dismiss was not the megastar he is today nor did he have Eastwoods reputation and experience to fall back on.

Please don't get me wrong here I'm not debating that Eastwood and Freeman are fantastic actors and they did a really good job on that movie, I just think you are making light of the all around achievement that is Rocky.

As far as the name thing goes, fair enough prior to this most recent movie if you had said Balboa 99 out of 100 people would immediately started chanting Rockee Rockee Rockee!!! (The 100th being some crazed history buff) If you say Maggie's last name how many people now or more to the point 25 years from now are going to equate it to MDB?

Dec 29 - 09:29 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

1st things 1st, Raging Bull is hands down the greatest boxing movie ever made. I would place MDB 2nd, and Rocky 3rd. MDB is a recent movie, let that not diminish its value as great cinema.

Rocky was very much a crowd pleasing movie. It specially appealed to Americans. It was emotionally manipulative to a certain extent and rested on sentimentality. Whereas MDB was stark and uncompromising. It did not try for an upbeat ending for its character. In Rocky even though he looses the match, he gains love and people's respect. Not so in MDB.
I think MDB is better directed, and better written.

As for fame, Rocky is 30 years old, MDB is 2. We cant possibly compare the 2 movies in terms of age at this moment. Though I must say, MDB already has much admiration from the critics and masses alike.
The name. Balboa is a very uncommon name. Rocky is the only person I have heard of in real life or otherwise having that name. Its a very unconventional name. Its hardly used on the screen. The movie has been around for so long and Balboa being such an uncommon name, and (its a major factor) the most recent movie being named Balboa, people are sure not to forget the name. Gyllenhaal is a very common name comparatively. Its common in real life as well as in movies. So if I say Gyllenhaal, it wont necessarily ring a bell, but give the movie 30 years and Maggie Gyllenhaal will.

As for the Stallone bit, and why he is constantly associated with it. He has done 6 movies with that character. Believe me, after 6 movie even i will remember who he is, even though I don't want to. You cant possibly compare it with a character who appears in only a single movie. And for the record, Rocky is the only decent role in Stallone's career. Hence he will be remembered solely for that. He isn't even known as a great actor. I'll certainly vouch for it. He is no Robert De Niro. He's just an action star. But Swank is a great actress. She already has 2 Oscars and is one of the most gifted actresses we have in the present generation.

Dec 30 - 12:21 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Maggie Fitzgerald I mean.

Dec 30 - 12:34 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

John Rambo: First Blood...Nuff said. Also, keep in mind until he was in HIS 60's Clint Eastwood was thought of primarily as an action star. Let's not bring into question whether action stars are great actors. For my money a film actors job is still primarily to entertain. If you are so concerned about the craft and art of it do theatre it's a much better venue.

Dec 30 - 04:39 AM

dracula68

michael pacholski

No one's mentioned "When We Were Kings"

or "Ali" even for that matter.

No one could have told, fictionally, the story of the Rumble In The Jungle. The fact that the match itself and all the hoopla around it actually happened should not disqualify it as being the best boxing story ever, and "When We Were Kings" as best boxing movie -- a DOCUMENTARY -- yes, for being the one that got to tell it.

Don't like boxing itself. But M$B, Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem For A Heavyweight -- Don't like boxing: love the movies though (okay, okay Requiem was "made for tv". So sue me).

So your lists of best boxing films are not complete without Requiem For A Heavyweight and When We Were Kings and even Ali taken into consideration. (Ali, IMO is kinda spotty quality wise. It just seemed to pick a random ten years in Ali's life without giving up why those years were so important or pivotal).

Jan 1 - 02:00 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Havent seen When We Were Kings, Ali or Requiem For A Heavyweight, so couldnt say anything about them.
But I have heard good things about Requiem For A Heavyweight and even Cinderella Man.

Jan 1 - 02:52 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

You might be the only person who thinks that pile of crap Million Dollar Baby is close to the same level as Rocky, you know i do not fall asleep much in movies but i did during Million Dollar Baby, the story was bad, the acting was god awefula dn Eastwood basically looked as if he was dead for the whole movie. It is by far the worst movie to ever win the oscar.

Dec 29 - 09:48 AM

gerke

gerke kleinsmit

subtle, dude try and watch rocky again and notice the other actors and even stalone and you'll see that this movie is fantastic. baby and rocky are two different movies. one is inspirational and the other a drama/dark and depressing.

as for Groundhog day, even in holland people agree on that this is one of the best of the 90's and bill isn't very popular here. all those snob movie experts on these forums that do not try to include these kinds of movies (also haloween) into these lists and refuse to give them the credits they deserve only show that they really do not know what they're talking about. always see and judge a movie in context and look further than the label comedy or horror would suggest.

Jan 2 - 06:35 AM

new12play

Nathan Wells

I believe every movie that has won best picture deserves preservation status. Im surprised Rocky is just now making the cut. Million Dollar Baby only preserved my dislike for Eastwood's dark trend of having a movie depress you to the brink of insanity. I consider this and Mystic River as being the two most overrated movies in recent memory.

Dec 28 - 11:27 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

add in Superman Returns then you would 100% correct

Dec 28 - 12:25 PM

bubbaburnstine

adam burnstine

I agree on Million Dollar Baby, but Mystic River was fantastic

Dec 28 - 01:36 PM

synergyred

Nancy Elizabeth

Groundhog day! :D

Dec 28 - 08:30 AM

FireflyFan4evr

Steven Johnson

Ya, they only have the original Star Wars film on their list and no Pulp Fiction. Head on over to Wikipedia.org and search them up for info about their organization.

Dec 28 - 08:54 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Come on man, I'll concede that Million Dollar Baby was a good movie, but no way is it ever going to achieve the status of Rocky. I bet if you ask any 10 people to name a movie about boxing and give them 5 seconds 8 of them will come up with Rocky. Same story with Halloween, it was sorta the grandaddy of all slasher flix, as for Ground Hog day it has much more cultural impact than you would think. A ton of people I know whenever something repeats itself mention GHD and no one thought in that context before this movie.

I suspect that's what they are looking for Movies that had an influence on our culture. By that standard these all three fit to a greater or lesser extent.

Dec 28 - 08:59 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Are you kidding me? Do you honestly think that Million Dollar Baby is even on the same level as Rocky? Million Dollar Baby sucks and is one of the worst boxing movies ever, it is tied with Rocky 5.

Halloween is what saved the Horror genre, you continue to prove that you know nothing about movies.

Dec 28 - 09:32 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

I honestly think Million Dollar Baby is way better than Rocky. Rocky was just a sappy Cinderella movie. And the level of acting does not even compare. Hillary Swank gets my vote over Sly Stallone.

Dec 29 - 01:40 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I think you'll find most people disagree though. Rocky wasn't just a sappy Cinderella movie. It was THE sappy Cinderella movie (All apologise to Disney). In recent times we forget how things were in the past. because we've seen 30,000 inferior remakes since shouldn't diminish the appeal of the original. For example, alot of people of this generation read Tolkien and say yeah he's using elements that every Sword and Sorcery author uses, BUT that totally wasn't true before Tolkien. Before Tolkien elves were little pint sized creatures that helped Santa make toys. The idea was so good it spawned thousands of immitaters. Same with Rocky. Saying Rocky is just a sappy Cinderella movie is like saying Jaws was just another thriller with a big fish in it or the Godfather was just a gangster movie.

As for the comparison between Sly and Swank. Do you really think people are going to be chanting the girls name from MDB at Swank 20 years from now? I honestly don't. Heck I couldn't even remember what he name was now.

Personally I don't think the level of acting was that far apart. Stallone was perfectly cast as the underdog street kid, Carl Weathers was perfect as the Ali clone, Talia Shire made me really believe she was this shy wallflower and Burgess Meredith come on!!! HE WAS A WRECKIN MACHINE!!!! So who was a bad actor in Rocky again?

Dec 29 - 05:16 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

The acting in Baby is more delicate and nuanced. The prestigious trio of Eastwood, Swank and Freeman form one of the most fully realised ensemble performances in recent years. The movie does not go for chattered territory and is not made to please the crowd. It has much more satisfying character arcs. I rooted much more for Maggie than I ever did for Rocky coz i knew he would 'rise above the odds' by the end. I actually cared for the characters.

As for the name thing, how ridiculous, the movie is called Rocky. If Baby had been called Maggie, wouldn't that name be more familiar.

Dec 29 - 08:53 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

You might have an argument here, except again you have been caught looking at it from a modern view. In Rocky, the first one the movie that we're discussing here ROCKY LOSES!!! He didn't rise above the odds and win until the second movie. Only having been 5 months old at the time I can't say, but having the focal point of your movie, the everyman, the downtrodden underdog lose is not what I call moving thru chartered territory.

Also consider Stallone, who's talents you seem so eager to dismiss was not the megastar he is today nor did he have Eastwoods reputation and experience to fall back on.

Please don't get me wrong here I'm not debating that Eastwood and Freeman are fantastic actors and they did a really good job on that movie, I just think you are making light of the all around achievement that is Rocky.

As far as the name thing goes, fair enough prior to this most recent movie if you had said Balboa 99 out of 100 people would immediately started chanting Rockee Rockee Rockee!!! (The 100th being some crazed history buff) If you say Maggie's last name how many people now or more to the point 25 years from now are going to equate it to MDB?

Dec 29 - 09:29 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

1st things 1st, Raging Bull is hands down the greatest boxing movie ever made. I would place MDB 2nd, and Rocky 3rd. MDB is a recent movie, let that not diminish its value as great cinema.

Rocky was very much a crowd pleasing movie. It specially appealed to Americans. It was emotionally manipulative to a certain extent and rested on sentimentality. Whereas MDB was stark and uncompromising. It did not try for an upbeat ending for its character. In Rocky even though he looses the match, he gains love and people's respect. Not so in MDB.
I think MDB is better directed, and better written.

As for fame, Rocky is 30 years old, MDB is 2. We cant possibly compare the 2 movies in terms of age at this moment. Though I must say, MDB already has much admiration from the critics and masses alike.
The name. Balboa is a very uncommon name. Rocky is the only person I have heard of in real life or otherwise having that name. Its a very unconventional name. Its hardly used on the screen. The movie has been around for so long and Balboa being such an uncommon name, and (its a major factor) the most recent movie being named Balboa, people are sure not to forget the name. Gyllenhaal is a very common name comparatively. Its common in real life as well as in movies. So if I say Gyllenhaal, it wont necessarily ring a bell, but give the movie 30 years and Maggie Gyllenhaal will.

As for the Stallone bit, and why he is constantly associated with it. He has done 6 movies with that character. Believe me, after 6 movie even i will remember who he is, even though I don't want to. You cant possibly compare it with a character who appears in only a single movie. And for the record, Rocky is the only decent role in Stallone's career. Hence he will be remembered solely for that. He isn't even known as a great actor. I'll certainly vouch for it. He is no Robert De Niro. He's just an action star. But Swank is a great actress. She already has 2 Oscars and is one of the most gifted actresses we have in the present generation.

Dec 30 - 12:21 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Maggie Fitzgerald I mean.

Dec 30 - 12:34 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

John Rambo: First Blood...Nuff said. Also, keep in mind until he was in HIS 60's Clint Eastwood was thought of primarily as an action star. Let's not bring into question whether action stars are great actors. For my money a film actors job is still primarily to entertain. If you are so concerned about the craft and art of it do theatre it's a much better venue.

Dec 30 - 04:39 AM

dracula68

michael pacholski

No one's mentioned "When We Were Kings"

or "Ali" even for that matter.

No one could have told, fictionally, the story of the Rumble In The Jungle. The fact that the match itself and all the hoopla around it actually happened should not disqualify it as being the best boxing story ever, and "When We Were Kings" as best boxing movie -- a DOCUMENTARY -- yes, for being the one that got to tell it.

Don't like boxing itself. But M$B, Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem For A Heavyweight -- Don't like boxing: love the movies though (okay, okay Requiem was "made for tv". So sue me).

So your lists of best boxing films are not complete without Requiem For A Heavyweight and When We Were Kings and even Ali taken into consideration. (Ali, IMO is kinda spotty quality wise. It just seemed to pick a random ten years in Ali's life without giving up why those years were so important or pivotal).

Jan 1 - 02:00 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Havent seen When We Were Kings, Ali or Requiem For A Heavyweight, so couldnt say anything about them.
But I have heard good things about Requiem For A Heavyweight and even Cinderella Man.

Jan 1 - 02:52 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

You might be the only person who thinks that pile of crap Million Dollar Baby is close to the same level as Rocky, you know i do not fall asleep much in movies but i did during Million Dollar Baby, the story was bad, the acting was god awefula dn Eastwood basically looked as if he was dead for the whole movie. It is by far the worst movie to ever win the oscar.

Dec 29 - 09:48 AM

gerke

gerke kleinsmit

subtle, dude try and watch rocky again and notice the other actors and even stalone and you'll see that this movie is fantastic. baby and rocky are two different movies. one is inspirational and the other a drama/dark and depressing.

as for Groundhog day, even in holland people agree on that this is one of the best of the 90's and bill isn't very popular here. all those snob movie experts on these forums that do not try to include these kinds of movies (also haloween) into these lists and refuse to give them the credits they deserve only show that they really do not know what they're talking about. always see and judge a movie in context and look further than the label comedy or horror would suggest.

Jan 2 - 06:35 AM

Thre31189

Matt Baer

I agree that i didnt like Million Dollar Baby but i dont know about beeing on par with Rocky 5. Rocky is still the movie that most people think of when they think of boxing movies, and Rocky Babola kind of sealed that up for years to come unless someone comes along with something to top it which i dont really see happening.

Dec 28 - 11:20 AM

new12play

Nathan Wells

I believe every movie that has won best picture deserves preservation status. Im surprised Rocky is just now making the cut. Million Dollar Baby only preserved my dislike for Eastwood's dark trend of having a movie depress you to the brink of insanity. I consider this and Mystic River as being the two most overrated movies in recent memory.

Dec 28 - 11:27 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

add in Superman Returns then you would 100% correct

Dec 28 - 12:25 PM

bubbaburnstine

adam burnstine

I agree on Million Dollar Baby, but Mystic River was fantastic

Dec 28 - 01:36 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

add in Superman Returns then you would 100% correct

Dec 28 - 12:25 PM

bubbaburnstine

adam burnstine

I agree on Million Dollar Baby, but Mystic River was fantastic

Dec 28 - 01:36 PM

Pyramids

Joel Fox

wtf?? no Bloodrayne? Alone In The Dark? House of The Dead??

What the hell is wrong with these people.

Dec 28 - 05:14 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Give it time man, time will tell the tale on those movies greatness :)

Dec 29 - 05:20 AM

dylan21484nj

glenn welsh

kick ass, two of my all-time favorite films made the list, Rocky and Halloween. it won Best Picture, but Rocky remains to be one of the most inspiring films ever made. Halloween is still one of the scariest films ever made and (for better or worse) inspired countless imitations, including the Friday the 13th films.

Dec 28 - 05:51 PM

JMA

Justin Adams

[b]Good choices[/b]
I'm impressed with the choices this year. I'm glad this organization isn't snobbish about which films it lets in.

And in response to films being overrated: The word "overrated" is used far too frequently on the Internet by people who can't understand why something they dislike is so popular. It helps them to relieve their cognitive dissonance to "explain away" the popularity of something they don?t enjoy or understand.

Seriously, "overrated'" has almost become an online cliche. It has no real meaning anyway, since there is no way a film can be proven to be objectively good and thus can't be overrated. What you have are people that want their opinions to be shared by others and treated as fact. There are certainly films that I don't like, but I wouldn't claim that they're bad in-themselves--they would just be bad to ME. When someone says something is overrated they imply that their opinion is somehow better than the opinions of others, which is ego-centric and narrow-minded. This kind of thinking is the enemy of opinions.

All a filmmaker can really do is get MOST people to like his or her film, because there will ALWAYS be someone that doesn't like it (just check any IMDB board). And that's all I have to say about that.

On a lighter note, congratulations to everyone that worked on the films entering the registry.

Dec 28 - 08:42 PM

dylan21484nj

glenn welsh

bravo sir, bravo.

Dec 28 - 10:32 PM

Bane Of Anubis

C M

By your own reasoning, all labels, by default, have no real meaning. Give me a modifier that hasn't been beaten to death and i'll give you the argument that it's probably one that most people don't know the meaning of.

So things aren't great, good, horrible, horrendous, awful... etc. Yes, these are generic words, but they're ones that people can easily identify.

As for the ego-centric part... By posting/giving any opinion, we are, by your definition, ego-centric. Your post is an opinion that counters other peoples posts (thus, saying that your viewpoint is right)-- does that make you ego-centric? (In all fairness, I think we're all ego-centric -- no IMHO from me :)...

It's generally understood that if someone says something, it's his opinion/view. Some say it more harshly/with less tact than others (and are usually summarily discounted from further awareness), but using the term "overrated" is not a harsh rebuke.

Of course, I'm in agreement with a couple of others here -- MDB is overrated -- vastly overrated (IMO). It was a movie that was unbelievably, audaciously, egregiously superficial (Damn adverbs always getting in the way :)... It's a typical Hollywood Oscar melodrama that's supposed to have "meaning", that's supposed to "resonate", but ultimately, once over and done with, there's nothing there.

MDB and Crash are the two most "overrated" Oscar movies in my recent memory (IMO). And I'm not sure why doing a poor southern accent makes you a shoe-in for an Oscar nomination nowadays (nevermind the fact that she couldn't box, yet was on an undercard in near sellout audiences -- movingly realistic).

Sorry for the continued rant, but whenever any of Haggis's melodramas pop up, my hackles go up and I go into attack mode.

Dec 29 - 11:59 AM

dylan21484nj

glenn welsh

bravo sir, bravo.

Dec 28 - 10:32 PM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

I honestly think Million Dollar Baby is way better than Rocky. Rocky was just a sappy Cinderella movie. And the level of acting does not even compare. Hillary Swank gets my vote over Sly Stallone.

Dec 29 - 01:40 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I think you'll find most people disagree though. Rocky wasn't just a sappy Cinderella movie. It was THE sappy Cinderella movie (All apologise to Disney). In recent times we forget how things were in the past. because we've seen 30,000 inferior remakes since shouldn't diminish the appeal of the original. For example, alot of people of this generation read Tolkien and say yeah he's using elements that every Sword and Sorcery author uses, BUT that totally wasn't true before Tolkien. Before Tolkien elves were little pint sized creatures that helped Santa make toys. The idea was so good it spawned thousands of immitaters. Same with Rocky. Saying Rocky is just a sappy Cinderella movie is like saying Jaws was just another thriller with a big fish in it or the Godfather was just a gangster movie.

As for the comparison between Sly and Swank. Do you really think people are going to be chanting the girls name from MDB at Swank 20 years from now? I honestly don't. Heck I couldn't even remember what he name was now.

Personally I don't think the level of acting was that far apart. Stallone was perfectly cast as the underdog street kid, Carl Weathers was perfect as the Ali clone, Talia Shire made me really believe she was this shy wallflower and Burgess Meredith come on!!! HE WAS A WRECKIN MACHINE!!!! So who was a bad actor in Rocky again?

Dec 29 - 05:16 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

The acting in Baby is more delicate and nuanced. The prestigious trio of Eastwood, Swank and Freeman form one of the most fully realised ensemble performances in recent years. The movie does not go for chattered territory and is not made to please the crowd. It has much more satisfying character arcs. I rooted much more for Maggie than I ever did for Rocky coz i knew he would 'rise above the odds' by the end. I actually cared for the characters.

As for the name thing, how ridiculous, the movie is called Rocky. If Baby had been called Maggie, wouldn't that name be more familiar.

Dec 29 - 08:53 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

You might have an argument here, except again you have been caught looking at it from a modern view. In Rocky, the first one the movie that we're discussing here ROCKY LOSES!!! He didn't rise above the odds and win until the second movie. Only having been 5 months old at the time I can't say, but having the focal point of your movie, the everyman, the downtrodden underdog lose is not what I call moving thru chartered territory.

Also consider Stallone, who's talents you seem so eager to dismiss was not the megastar he is today nor did he have Eastwoods reputation and experience to fall back on.

Please don't get me wrong here I'm not debating that Eastwood and Freeman are fantastic actors and they did a really good job on that movie, I just think you are making light of the all around achievement that is Rocky.

As far as the name thing goes, fair enough prior to this most recent movie if you had said Balboa 99 out of 100 people would immediately started chanting Rockee Rockee Rockee!!! (The 100th being some crazed history buff) If you say Maggie's last name how many people now or more to the point 25 years from now are going to equate it to MDB?

Dec 29 - 09:29 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

1st things 1st, Raging Bull is hands down the greatest boxing movie ever made. I would place MDB 2nd, and Rocky 3rd. MDB is a recent movie, let that not diminish its value as great cinema.

Rocky was very much a crowd pleasing movie. It specially appealed to Americans. It was emotionally manipulative to a certain extent and rested on sentimentality. Whereas MDB was stark and uncompromising. It did not try for an upbeat ending for its character. In Rocky even though he looses the match, he gains love and people's respect. Not so in MDB.
I think MDB is better directed, and better written.

As for fame, Rocky is 30 years old, MDB is 2. We cant possibly compare the 2 movies in terms of age at this moment. Though I must say, MDB already has much admiration from the critics and masses alike.
The name. Balboa is a very uncommon name. Rocky is the only person I have heard of in real life or otherwise having that name. Its a very unconventional name. Its hardly used on the screen. The movie has been around for so long and Balboa being such an uncommon name, and (its a major factor) the most recent movie being named Balboa, people are sure not to forget the name. Gyllenhaal is a very common name comparatively. Its common in real life as well as in movies. So if I say Gyllenhaal, it wont necessarily ring a bell, but give the movie 30 years and Maggie Gyllenhaal will.

As for the Stallone bit, and why he is constantly associated with it. He has done 6 movies with that character. Believe me, after 6 movie even i will remember who he is, even though I don't want to. You cant possibly compare it with a character who appears in only a single movie. And for the record, Rocky is the only decent role in Stallone's career. Hence he will be remembered solely for that. He isn't even known as a great actor. I'll certainly vouch for it. He is no Robert De Niro. He's just an action star. But Swank is a great actress. She already has 2 Oscars and is one of the most gifted actresses we have in the present generation.

Dec 30 - 12:21 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Maggie Fitzgerald I mean.

Dec 30 - 12:34 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

John Rambo: First Blood...Nuff said. Also, keep in mind until he was in HIS 60's Clint Eastwood was thought of primarily as an action star. Let's not bring into question whether action stars are great actors. For my money a film actors job is still primarily to entertain. If you are so concerned about the craft and art of it do theatre it's a much better venue.

Dec 30 - 04:39 AM

dracula68

michael pacholski

No one's mentioned "When We Were Kings"

or "Ali" even for that matter.

No one could have told, fictionally, the story of the Rumble In The Jungle. The fact that the match itself and all the hoopla around it actually happened should not disqualify it as being the best boxing story ever, and "When We Were Kings" as best boxing movie -- a DOCUMENTARY -- yes, for being the one that got to tell it.

Don't like boxing itself. But M$B, Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem For A Heavyweight -- Don't like boxing: love the movies though (okay, okay Requiem was "made for tv". So sue me).

So your lists of best boxing films are not complete without Requiem For A Heavyweight and When We Were Kings and even Ali taken into consideration. (Ali, IMO is kinda spotty quality wise. It just seemed to pick a random ten years in Ali's life without giving up why those years were so important or pivotal).

Jan 1 - 02:00 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Havent seen When We Were Kings, Ali or Requiem For A Heavyweight, so couldnt say anything about them.
But I have heard good things about Requiem For A Heavyweight and even Cinderella Man.

Jan 1 - 02:52 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

You might be the only person who thinks that pile of crap Million Dollar Baby is close to the same level as Rocky, you know i do not fall asleep much in movies but i did during Million Dollar Baby, the story was bad, the acting was god awefula dn Eastwood basically looked as if he was dead for the whole movie. It is by far the worst movie to ever win the oscar.

Dec 29 - 09:48 AM

gerke

gerke kleinsmit

subtle, dude try and watch rocky again and notice the other actors and even stalone and you'll see that this movie is fantastic. baby and rocky are two different movies. one is inspirational and the other a drama/dark and depressing.

as for Groundhog day, even in holland people agree on that this is one of the best of the 90's and bill isn't very popular here. all those snob movie experts on these forums that do not try to include these kinds of movies (also haloween) into these lists and refuse to give them the credits they deserve only show that they really do not know what they're talking about. always see and judge a movie in context and look further than the label comedy or horror would suggest.

Jan 2 - 06:35 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I think you'll find most people disagree though. Rocky wasn't just a sappy Cinderella movie. It was THE sappy Cinderella movie (All apologise to Disney). In recent times we forget how things were in the past. because we've seen 30,000 inferior remakes since shouldn't diminish the appeal of the original. For example, alot of people of this generation read Tolkien and say yeah he's using elements that every Sword and Sorcery author uses, BUT that totally wasn't true before Tolkien. Before Tolkien elves were little pint sized creatures that helped Santa make toys. The idea was so good it spawned thousands of immitaters. Same with Rocky. Saying Rocky is just a sappy Cinderella movie is like saying Jaws was just another thriller with a big fish in it or the Godfather was just a gangster movie.

As for the comparison between Sly and Swank. Do you really think people are going to be chanting the girls name from MDB at Swank 20 years from now? I honestly don't. Heck I couldn't even remember what he name was now.

Personally I don't think the level of acting was that far apart. Stallone was perfectly cast as the underdog street kid, Carl Weathers was perfect as the Ali clone, Talia Shire made me really believe she was this shy wallflower and Burgess Meredith come on!!! HE WAS A WRECKIN MACHINE!!!! So who was a bad actor in Rocky again?

Dec 29 - 05:16 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

The acting in Baby is more delicate and nuanced. The prestigious trio of Eastwood, Swank and Freeman form one of the most fully realised ensemble performances in recent years. The movie does not go for chattered territory and is not made to please the crowd. It has much more satisfying character arcs. I rooted much more for Maggie than I ever did for Rocky coz i knew he would 'rise above the odds' by the end. I actually cared for the characters.

As for the name thing, how ridiculous, the movie is called Rocky. If Baby had been called Maggie, wouldn't that name be more familiar.

Dec 29 - 08:53 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

You might have an argument here, except again you have been caught looking at it from a modern view. In Rocky, the first one the movie that we're discussing here ROCKY LOSES!!! He didn't rise above the odds and win until the second movie. Only having been 5 months old at the time I can't say, but having the focal point of your movie, the everyman, the downtrodden underdog lose is not what I call moving thru chartered territory.

Also consider Stallone, who's talents you seem so eager to dismiss was not the megastar he is today nor did he have Eastwoods reputation and experience to fall back on.

Please don't get me wrong here I'm not debating that Eastwood and Freeman are fantastic actors and they did a really good job on that movie, I just think you are making light of the all around achievement that is Rocky.

As far as the name thing goes, fair enough prior to this most recent movie if you had said Balboa 99 out of 100 people would immediately started chanting Rockee Rockee Rockee!!! (The 100th being some crazed history buff) If you say Maggie's last name how many people now or more to the point 25 years from now are going to equate it to MDB?

Dec 29 - 09:29 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

1st things 1st, Raging Bull is hands down the greatest boxing movie ever made. I would place MDB 2nd, and Rocky 3rd. MDB is a recent movie, let that not diminish its value as great cinema.

Rocky was very much a crowd pleasing movie. It specially appealed to Americans. It was emotionally manipulative to a certain extent and rested on sentimentality. Whereas MDB was stark and uncompromising. It did not try for an upbeat ending for its character. In Rocky even though he looses the match, he gains love and people's respect. Not so in MDB.
I think MDB is better directed, and better written.

As for fame, Rocky is 30 years old, MDB is 2. We cant possibly compare the 2 movies in terms of age at this moment. Though I must say, MDB already has much admiration from the critics and masses alike.
The name. Balboa is a very uncommon name. Rocky is the only person I have heard of in real life or otherwise having that name. Its a very unconventional name. Its hardly used on the screen. The movie has been around for so long and Balboa being such an uncommon name, and (its a major factor) the most recent movie being named Balboa, people are sure not to forget the name. Gyllenhaal is a very common name comparatively. Its common in real life as well as in movies. So if I say Gyllenhaal, it wont necessarily ring a bell, but give the movie 30 years and Maggie Gyllenhaal will.

As for the Stallone bit, and why he is constantly associated with it. He has done 6 movies with that character. Believe me, after 6 movie even i will remember who he is, even though I don't want to. You cant possibly compare it with a character who appears in only a single movie. And for the record, Rocky is the only decent role in Stallone's career. Hence he will be remembered solely for that. He isn't even known as a great actor. I'll certainly vouch for it. He is no Robert De Niro. He's just an action star. But Swank is a great actress. She already has 2 Oscars and is one of the most gifted actresses we have in the present generation.

Dec 30 - 12:21 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Maggie Fitzgerald I mean.

Dec 30 - 12:34 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

John Rambo: First Blood...Nuff said. Also, keep in mind until he was in HIS 60's Clint Eastwood was thought of primarily as an action star. Let's not bring into question whether action stars are great actors. For my money a film actors job is still primarily to entertain. If you are so concerned about the craft and art of it do theatre it's a much better venue.

Dec 30 - 04:39 AM

dracula68

michael pacholski

No one's mentioned "When We Were Kings"

or "Ali" even for that matter.

No one could have told, fictionally, the story of the Rumble In The Jungle. The fact that the match itself and all the hoopla around it actually happened should not disqualify it as being the best boxing story ever, and "When We Were Kings" as best boxing movie -- a DOCUMENTARY -- yes, for being the one that got to tell it.

Don't like boxing itself. But M$B, Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem For A Heavyweight -- Don't like boxing: love the movies though (okay, okay Requiem was "made for tv". So sue me).

So your lists of best boxing films are not complete without Requiem For A Heavyweight and When We Were Kings and even Ali taken into consideration. (Ali, IMO is kinda spotty quality wise. It just seemed to pick a random ten years in Ali's life without giving up why those years were so important or pivotal).

Jan 1 - 02:00 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Havent seen When We Were Kings, Ali or Requiem For A Heavyweight, so couldnt say anything about them.
But I have heard good things about Requiem For A Heavyweight and even Cinderella Man.

Jan 1 - 02:52 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

You might be the only person who thinks that pile of crap Million Dollar Baby is close to the same level as Rocky, you know i do not fall asleep much in movies but i did during Million Dollar Baby, the story was bad, the acting was god awefula dn Eastwood basically looked as if he was dead for the whole movie. It is by far the worst movie to ever win the oscar.

Dec 29 - 09:48 AM

gerke

gerke kleinsmit

subtle, dude try and watch rocky again and notice the other actors and even stalone and you'll see that this movie is fantastic. baby and rocky are two different movies. one is inspirational and the other a drama/dark and depressing.

as for Groundhog day, even in holland people agree on that this is one of the best of the 90's and bill isn't very popular here. all those snob movie experts on these forums that do not try to include these kinds of movies (also haloween) into these lists and refuse to give them the credits they deserve only show that they really do not know what they're talking about. always see and judge a movie in context and look further than the label comedy or horror would suggest.

Jan 2 - 06:35 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Give it time man, time will tell the tale on those movies greatness :)

Dec 29 - 05:20 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

The acting in Baby is more delicate and nuanced. The prestigious trio of Eastwood, Swank and Freeman form one of the most fully realised ensemble performances in recent years. The movie does not go for chattered territory and is not made to please the crowd. It has much more satisfying character arcs. I rooted much more for Maggie than I ever did for Rocky coz i knew he would 'rise above the odds' by the end. I actually cared for the characters.

As for the name thing, how ridiculous, the movie is called Rocky. If Baby had been called Maggie, wouldn't that name be more familiar.

Dec 29 - 08:53 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

You might have an argument here, except again you have been caught looking at it from a modern view. In Rocky, the first one the movie that we're discussing here ROCKY LOSES!!! He didn't rise above the odds and win until the second movie. Only having been 5 months old at the time I can't say, but having the focal point of your movie, the everyman, the downtrodden underdog lose is not what I call moving thru chartered territory.

Also consider Stallone, who's talents you seem so eager to dismiss was not the megastar he is today nor did he have Eastwoods reputation and experience to fall back on.

Please don't get me wrong here I'm not debating that Eastwood and Freeman are fantastic actors and they did a really good job on that movie, I just think you are making light of the all around achievement that is Rocky.

As far as the name thing goes, fair enough prior to this most recent movie if you had said Balboa 99 out of 100 people would immediately started chanting Rockee Rockee Rockee!!! (The 100th being some crazed history buff) If you say Maggie's last name how many people now or more to the point 25 years from now are going to equate it to MDB?

Dec 29 - 09:29 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

1st things 1st, Raging Bull is hands down the greatest boxing movie ever made. I would place MDB 2nd, and Rocky 3rd. MDB is a recent movie, let that not diminish its value as great cinema.

Rocky was very much a crowd pleasing movie. It specially appealed to Americans. It was emotionally manipulative to a certain extent and rested on sentimentality. Whereas MDB was stark and uncompromising. It did not try for an upbeat ending for its character. In Rocky even though he looses the match, he gains love and people's respect. Not so in MDB.
I think MDB is better directed, and better written.

As for fame, Rocky is 30 years old, MDB is 2. We cant possibly compare the 2 movies in terms of age at this moment. Though I must say, MDB already has much admiration from the critics and masses alike.
The name. Balboa is a very uncommon name. Rocky is the only person I have heard of in real life or otherwise having that name. Its a very unconventional name. Its hardly used on the screen. The movie has been around for so long and Balboa being such an uncommon name, and (its a major factor) the most recent movie being named Balboa, people are sure not to forget the name. Gyllenhaal is a very common name comparatively. Its common in real life as well as in movies. So if I say Gyllenhaal, it wont necessarily ring a bell, but give the movie 30 years and Maggie Gyllenhaal will.

As for the Stallone bit, and why he is constantly associated with it. He has done 6 movies with that character. Believe me, after 6 movie even i will remember who he is, even though I don't want to. You cant possibly compare it with a character who appears in only a single movie. And for the record, Rocky is the only decent role in Stallone's career. Hence he will be remembered solely for that. He isn't even known as a great actor. I'll certainly vouch for it. He is no Robert De Niro. He's just an action star. But Swank is a great actress. She already has 2 Oscars and is one of the most gifted actresses we have in the present generation.

Dec 30 - 12:21 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Maggie Fitzgerald I mean.

Dec 30 - 12:34 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

John Rambo: First Blood...Nuff said. Also, keep in mind until he was in HIS 60's Clint Eastwood was thought of primarily as an action star. Let's not bring into question whether action stars are great actors. For my money a film actors job is still primarily to entertain. If you are so concerned about the craft and art of it do theatre it's a much better venue.

Dec 30 - 04:39 AM

dracula68

michael pacholski

No one's mentioned "When We Were Kings"

or "Ali" even for that matter.

No one could have told, fictionally, the story of the Rumble In The Jungle. The fact that the match itself and all the hoopla around it actually happened should not disqualify it as being the best boxing story ever, and "When We Were Kings" as best boxing movie -- a DOCUMENTARY -- yes, for being the one that got to tell it.

Don't like boxing itself. But M$B, Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem For A Heavyweight -- Don't like boxing: love the movies though (okay, okay Requiem was "made for tv". So sue me).

So your lists of best boxing films are not complete without Requiem For A Heavyweight and When We Were Kings and even Ali taken into consideration. (Ali, IMO is kinda spotty quality wise. It just seemed to pick a random ten years in Ali's life without giving up why those years were so important or pivotal).

Jan 1 - 02:00 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Havent seen When We Were Kings, Ali or Requiem For A Heavyweight, so couldnt say anything about them.
But I have heard good things about Requiem For A Heavyweight and even Cinderella Man.

Jan 1 - 02:52 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

You might be the only person who thinks that pile of crap Million Dollar Baby is close to the same level as Rocky, you know i do not fall asleep much in movies but i did during Million Dollar Baby, the story was bad, the acting was god awefula dn Eastwood basically looked as if he was dead for the whole movie. It is by far the worst movie to ever win the oscar.

Dec 29 - 09:48 AM

gerke

gerke kleinsmit

subtle, dude try and watch rocky again and notice the other actors and even stalone and you'll see that this movie is fantastic. baby and rocky are two different movies. one is inspirational and the other a drama/dark and depressing.

as for Groundhog day, even in holland people agree on that this is one of the best of the 90's and bill isn't very popular here. all those snob movie experts on these forums that do not try to include these kinds of movies (also haloween) into these lists and refuse to give them the credits they deserve only show that they really do not know what they're talking about. always see and judge a movie in context and look further than the label comedy or horror would suggest.

Jan 2 - 06:35 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

You might have an argument here, except again you have been caught looking at it from a modern view. In Rocky, the first one the movie that we're discussing here ROCKY LOSES!!! He didn't rise above the odds and win until the second movie. Only having been 5 months old at the time I can't say, but having the focal point of your movie, the everyman, the downtrodden underdog lose is not what I call moving thru chartered territory.

Also consider Stallone, who's talents you seem so eager to dismiss was not the megastar he is today nor did he have Eastwoods reputation and experience to fall back on.

Please don't get me wrong here I'm not debating that Eastwood and Freeman are fantastic actors and they did a really good job on that movie, I just think you are making light of the all around achievement that is Rocky.

As far as the name thing goes, fair enough prior to this most recent movie if you had said Balboa 99 out of 100 people would immediately started chanting Rockee Rockee Rockee!!! (The 100th being some crazed history buff) If you say Maggie's last name how many people now or more to the point 25 years from now are going to equate it to MDB?

Dec 29 - 09:29 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

1st things 1st, Raging Bull is hands down the greatest boxing movie ever made. I would place MDB 2nd, and Rocky 3rd. MDB is a recent movie, let that not diminish its value as great cinema.

Rocky was very much a crowd pleasing movie. It specially appealed to Americans. It was emotionally manipulative to a certain extent and rested on sentimentality. Whereas MDB was stark and uncompromising. It did not try for an upbeat ending for its character. In Rocky even though he looses the match, he gains love and people's respect. Not so in MDB.
I think MDB is better directed, and better written.

As for fame, Rocky is 30 years old, MDB is 2. We cant possibly compare the 2 movies in terms of age at this moment. Though I must say, MDB already has much admiration from the critics and masses alike.
The name. Balboa is a very uncommon name. Rocky is the only person I have heard of in real life or otherwise having that name. Its a very unconventional name. Its hardly used on the screen. The movie has been around for so long and Balboa being such an uncommon name, and (its a major factor) the most recent movie being named Balboa, people are sure not to forget the name. Gyllenhaal is a very common name comparatively. Its common in real life as well as in movies. So if I say Gyllenhaal, it wont necessarily ring a bell, but give the movie 30 years and Maggie Gyllenhaal will.

As for the Stallone bit, and why he is constantly associated with it. He has done 6 movies with that character. Believe me, after 6 movie even i will remember who he is, even though I don't want to. You cant possibly compare it with a character who appears in only a single movie. And for the record, Rocky is the only decent role in Stallone's career. Hence he will be remembered solely for that. He isn't even known as a great actor. I'll certainly vouch for it. He is no Robert De Niro. He's just an action star. But Swank is a great actress. She already has 2 Oscars and is one of the most gifted actresses we have in the present generation.

Dec 30 - 12:21 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Maggie Fitzgerald I mean.

Dec 30 - 12:34 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

John Rambo: First Blood...Nuff said. Also, keep in mind until he was in HIS 60's Clint Eastwood was thought of primarily as an action star. Let's not bring into question whether action stars are great actors. For my money a film actors job is still primarily to entertain. If you are so concerned about the craft and art of it do theatre it's a much better venue.

Dec 30 - 04:39 AM

dracula68

michael pacholski

No one's mentioned "When We Were Kings"

or "Ali" even for that matter.

No one could have told, fictionally, the story of the Rumble In The Jungle. The fact that the match itself and all the hoopla around it actually happened should not disqualify it as being the best boxing story ever, and "When We Were Kings" as best boxing movie -- a DOCUMENTARY -- yes, for being the one that got to tell it.

Don't like boxing itself. But M$B, Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem For A Heavyweight -- Don't like boxing: love the movies though (okay, okay Requiem was "made for tv". So sue me).

So your lists of best boxing films are not complete without Requiem For A Heavyweight and When We Were Kings and even Ali taken into consideration. (Ali, IMO is kinda spotty quality wise. It just seemed to pick a random ten years in Ali's life without giving up why those years were so important or pivotal).

Jan 1 - 02:00 AM

red_wine

ankit jhunjhunwala

Havent seen When We Were Kings, Ali or Requiem For A Heavyweight, so couldnt say anything about them.
But I have heard good things about Requiem For A Heavyweight and even Cinderella Man.

Jan 1 - 02:52 AM

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