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Please Pixar, make this another hit!
Jun 13 - 04:43 PM
Even though it doesn't, I'm still having high expectations that it won't be as bad as Cars 2.
Jun 16 - 03:14 PM
Please let it be Fresh, please let it be Fresh...
...if not, then Pixar is D-O-O-M-E-D. D:
Jun 13 - 05:18 PM
For just failing on one movie but succeeding on countless others? I beg to differ, they've always been great.
Jun 13 - 05:52 PM
That's not the case. If Brave gets a "Rotten" on the Tomatometer, then Pixar is doomed. Just to let you know.
Jun 21 - 12:04 PM
The reception this film is getting seems quite similar to what Cars got. Amazing animation (which probably uses the 3D well) but paling in comparison to most of Pixar's. Its good that Pixar isn't having another critical misfire like the Cars sequel, but it seems that golden touch the studio used to have is starting to fade away.
Jun 13 - 05:59 PM
Like they "faded away" with A Bug's Life? With the first Cars? They will make masterpieces and they will make movies that are merely very good. The latter doesn't mean they're fading.
Jun 13 - 10:21 PM
The issue is that they should come back really strong after the embarrassment Cars 2 was to their. Making only a decent movie after the first rotten one is going to cause make a lot of talk on whatever Pixar's days of 95%+ movies are over for the foreseeable future.
Jun 14 - 01:15 PM
It might cause simple-minded people to talk. But I can actually look at context and the big picture. If Brave ends up being a good movie, I'll assume Pixar is back, because other than one bomb, they've always made good-to-great movies I'll give them one failure. Even Disney made some mediocre stuff during their '40s Golden Age, only to come back with classics in the '50s.
Jun 14 - 05:32 PM
You just compared a bug's life to Cars.
You are dead to me.
Jun 16 - 07:15 PM
"It might cause simple minded people to talk, but I can look at the Big Picture". Well, clearly this debate is over, and we all apologize for dissenting with what is clearly a film genius. You must be very proud of yourself. Of course if I could add, you would be right in keeping in mind that a few failures, hell, even just one failure and one film thats only slightly short of mammoth expectations, would not indicate a ruined company. However, while you're looking at the "big picture", you may want to keep studio politics in mind. For example, Toy Story 3 was a brilliant film in every way, but it wasn't a film Pixar wanted to do; Disney wanted to make it, and Pixar was just imaginiative enough to make the story work, something they were unable to do with Cars 2. Now, they've made a new film thats not quite as good as it should have been. So you had a surprise movie that luckily turned out well, followed by crap, follwed by a slight dissapointment. Its not simple-minded to think that something is amiss, and what it is is merchandise, and Disneys love for it. Theres a reason they made a second Cars, the first one is Disney-Pixars most valuable property in terms of merch. When Up was announced, the stock price actually dropped, because investors didnt see the merchandise opportunity. Now, Disney is more interested in making money than art, and just hoping that Pixar can do both, and it may not be able to forever. And it can't turn down Disney's proposals; Disney now owns Pixar. So, yes, Pixar could come back, but its also likely this will be a trend.
Jun 17 - 01:19 AM
74% I predicted Prometheus at 72% and look at it now. I'm sure this will be the same. The only standout feature of this movie is that it's Pixar's first movie with a female lead character.
Jun 13 - 06:09 PM
Yeah, you we're right about "Prometheus" finishing in the low 70's on RT, i myself originally thought it would finish in the 80's on RT. I see "Brave" ending between 75%-85% on RT.
Jun 14 - 07:55 PM
I want to see this movie! but there giving away way to much!
Jun 13 - 06:39 PM
I was actually looking forward to this movie enough to read a short novelization of the story in a book store that I was meandering about in. The reviews aren't lying. It's very standard fairy tale fodder, but I have a feeling character development may be a stand out.
SPOILER : the "bear" part of the story is a hell of a lot like 'Brother Bear' (another Disney animation) if you ask me, but that similarity remains exclusively toward the beginning. END OF SPOILER
Jun 13 - 11:27 PM
Brave will likely remain in the 70% - 80% range.
Jun 13 - 11:31 PM
The bear portion remind anyone else of The Fox and The Hound? Which I felt was a very bright spot in a slightly down time for Disney the Elder. I've never seen Brother Bear so I can't comment on how it compares to that beyond the obvious Bear connection.
Jun 14 - 01:17 AM
Transformation is at the heart of most fairy tales Beauty and the Beast, East of the Sun, etc. etc.
I'm still looking forward to this one. (Well, I'm probably going to have to flip a coin next weekend - heads - A Lincoln - tails - Brave.) A great weekend for movies!
Jun 14 - 06:16 AM
I was hoping this would be a return to the greatness that preceded Cars 2, but it seems it will merely be good. I guess we have to hold out hope for Monster's University now, right?
Jun 13 - 07:07 PM
Oh, I do hope that this will be good!
Jun 13 - 07:31 PM
Brave looks absolutely fantastic, and the story and characters seem interesting. Give Pixar another notch on it's belt of greatness.
Jun 13 - 07:44 PM
? seriously? This is DreamWork's How to Train Your Dragon, just rendered in Renderman...
Jun 15 - 10:57 AM
You speak of it as if it's a bad thing. Do you not see the big fat 98% on that movie's page?
Jun 15 - 10:19 PM
Brave has actually been in development long before How To Train Your Dragon.
Jun 16 - 07:16 PM
No, this is how to train your dragon starring me :)
Jun 16 - 09:16 PM
But seriously, it looks like How to Train Your Dragon, but does it remind anyone else of Little Mermaid? Red head making a deal with a witch to change her fate?
Jun 16 - 09:24 PM
A similar setting does not make movies similar. Setting, creatures, music, etc. Those aren't what make movies identical. Plot and story is. Brave and How to Train Your Dragon only share the issue of having a character with parent issues.
Jun 17 - 12:01 AM
Jun 13 - 07:45 PM
this looks like a great movie! i'd be shocked if it turned out to be rotten..... but anything could happen.......
Jun 13 - 07:57 PM
dude , i love that movie.....CAR.....:)
Jun 13 - 08:16 PM
I'm so excited for this movie! Maybe it won't be Pixar's best but I'm sure it will be an improvement from Cars 2. Overall I predict it to land at around an 88%.
Jun 13 - 08:24 PM
This is the first Pixar movie that I won't pay to see.
Jun 13 - 08:30 PM
You paid to see Cars 2?
Jun 13 - 10:10 PM
I predict it will be 91%.
Jun 13 - 08:33 PM
Tyler M. Mannix
Honestly. Pixar has a is 11 for 12, with only one miss out of 11 other great movies. Even though some people think Cars 1 was Pixar's worst (this was before Cars 2 came out), I have a lot of friends who love Cars 1.
With Brave, I am predicting that it will be great, because it looks impressive, yes, but then again will people think it's just another How To Train Your Dragon (based on looks, not on story)
Jun 13 - 09:04 PM
But you know, obviously completely different and without Dragons.
Jun 13 - 11:29 PM
Oh yes. But the style is similar. The more naturalistic look, the Scottish accents, the setting similar to Scandanavian setting, complete with the fact that Craig Ferguson is in both movies. But I don't think Pixar will copy Dragon's plot...
Jun 14 - 08:41 AM
I had no idea that Craig Ferguson was going to be in 'Brave'. That actually kind of makes me laugh.
Jun 14 - 03:24 PM
But in fairness, Brave appears to actually take place in Scotland. Why would there be Vikings with Scottish accents?
Jun 16 - 09:29 PM
That's exactly what they are doing. DreamWorks has long been doing Animation better than Pixar. People just won't give it up. Pixar isn't going to survive having to split Lasseter's time with Disney.
Jun 15 - 10:59 AM
Are you insane? In the past 4 years, Dreamworks has put out Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar 2, Monsters vs. Aliens, How to Train Your Dragon, How to Train Your Dragon, Shrek Forever After, Megamind, Kung Fu Panda 2, Puss in Boots, and Madagascar. Save for Shrek Forever After, these were all pretty good movies, but the only masterpiece was How to Train Your Dragon (and arguably Kung Fu Panda). Meanwhile, Pixar has put out Ratatouille, Wall-E, Up, Toy Story 3, and Cars 2. Cars 2 may have sucked, but it sure as hell wasn't as bad as Shrek Forever After, and the other 4 are 4 of the greatest movies ever made. In what way has Dreamworks outdone Pixar lately?
Jun 15 - 12:02 PM
Of all those, Puss in Boots and Shrek 4 are the ones that I liked the least. And of the Pixar films, only Cars 2 was a flop. I really don't want Brave to be a flop, for the love of all that is good and holy.
Jun 15 - 01:20 PM
I see what you mean, but lets take a moment to clarify "flop". A "flop" means a film that doesn't make money, not a film that's bad. Gangs of New York was a flop, Transformers 3 was not. I know it seems like I'm nitpicking, but a point needs to be made very clear: Cars 2, while a dissapointment, made a lot of money, which means Disney, who forced Pixar to make the film, didn't exactly get punished for its decision. Cars 2 didn't make nearly as much as Up did, but it made up for it several times over with merchandise.
Jun 20 - 03:49 PM
Whoops. Scratch that second How to Drain Your Dragon and add a "3" to the end of Madagascar.
Jun 15 - 12:04 PM
He was Exec. Producer of all those films though.
Jun 15 - 10:43 PM
True, but from an artistic standpoint that's not as significant of a role (I agree it's important, just not when considering the movie as a piece of art). His contributions as exec. producer have been important, but he's not the one who made those movies tug at our heartstrings.
Jun 15 - 11:03 PM
I don't think Lasseter's work at Disney and at Pixar is really being a hindrance.
Jun 15 - 01:18 PM
Yeah, and let's not forget that Lasseter didn't really contribute anything to Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Ratatouille, WALL-E, or Up. They can obviously make great movies without him.
Jun 15 - 03:51 PM
Pixar also loss brad bird.
Jun 17 - 02:12 AM
Ummm, no they didn't...
Jun 17 - 11:31 AM
Brad's still there. He had a couple of ideas in Toy Story 3. Just because someone has another project not Pixar-related, doesn't necessary mean that they left.
Jun 17 - 12:24 PM
Although I really loved it I think Dreamworks got lucky with HTTYD. Pixar won't be unseated for a long, long time.
Jun 15 - 04:03 PM
I think you're right.
Jun 17 - 12:25 PM
Hmmm, I'm guessing a final rating in the low 90's or really high 80's. 91?
Jun 13 - 10:12 PM
Pixar's Golden Age is likely over. I have no complaints. Their first eleven films are an unbelievable streak that it'll take fifty more years of looking back to full appreciate.
Jun 13 - 10:51 PM
That's a good way to look at it. Everything comes to an end eventually. You have a better understanding of this than the academy, who neglected Pixar for a Best Picture a good three or four deserved times, because, hey, they can just make another great movie next year right? Well, apparently not.
Jun 20 - 03:54 PM
There's no way it ending up rotten. I don't get why Up has generated such praise. While I did enjoy it, the second part of the film is a bit loony. Toy story(All tree films considered as one), on the other hand, is one of the best animations released in modern times.
Jun 14 - 12:22 AM
Up was far better than Toy Story 3.
Jun 14 - 04:16 AM
Dang straight Up was better!!!
Jun 14 - 05:42 AM
I still have'nt seen "Toy Story 3", but "UP" was outstanding.
Jun 14 - 07:57 PM
Well, that's like, your opinion.
Jun 14 - 10:59 AM
Yep, and you seem to be new here. Let me explain: This is like, about people's opinions.
Jun 14 - 01:21 PM
You could click on my profile link and see that I'm like not new here, member since 09.
Jun 15 - 11:22 AM
Lol, no offense, but I think you're the one whose new here; otherwise you probably would have noticed that very obvious Lebowski reference
Jun 20 - 03:55 PM
TS3 was my favorite movie of 2010, Up was a movie that I wanted to like a lot more than I did but just couldn't, kind of like Wall-E.
Jun 14 - 02:12 PM
As for me, WALL-E is the best movie ever.
Jun 15 - 02:45 AM
Yeah! TS3 was great but I'd give it more of an 85 rating.
Jun 15 - 05:03 PM
All tree films?
Jun 14 - 12:53 PM
I completely understand the praise for Up. It understandably hits a higher note with more mature audiences than most other Pixar Films (I mean they all do, but UP has the most appeal to older audiences if you really take all 12 films into consideration). However, UP is not my favorite Pixar film. In fact, it sits towards the bottom tier for me because the first 8 minutes of the film are PHENOMENAL. The story of Ellie and Carl's relationship is flawlessly told and it is without question the best part of the movie, but that's the problem. The best part should not be the opening of a movie. Unlike Pixar's other films UP doesn't improve over time, because it had already reached its peak point. A film should not peak in quality at the very beginning of its tenure because logically speaking the only direction it can go from there is down... which is exactly what happened.
Jun 14 - 03:50 PM
Even if that turns out to be true, i'm sure Pixar will still make amazing films, maybe just not as consistantly as they used to.
Jun 14 - 07:59 PM
Don't get me wrong, Toy Story 3 was AMAZING, and easily one of Pixar's best films, but it wasn't in the same league as Toy Story 1 and 2. It still was another trilogy that fell into the "the third is not as good as the first" category.
Jun 14 - 09:53 PM
Up was a classic. The best Pixar movie not named Toy Story 3.
Jun 15 - 10:50 PM
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I think Up is spectacular, and I might even consider it the best film of 2009. Toy Story 3 is equally good, but I really can't hank the Pixar features because they all are good. But I'll try.
1. Toy Story franchise (1,2, and 3)
5. Monsters, Inc.
6. The Incredibles
7. Finding Nemo
8. A Bug's Life
9. Cars 2
Brave will probably fit in between Monsters and Incredibles on my list.
Jun 17 - 01:07 PM
I like it. I'd probably put Nemo ahead of Monsters Inc., but thats just me
Jun 20 - 04:08 PM
I'm a Toy Story fan as well, but Up is great. Its really the end of an era; its a wholly original movie that Pixar had been working on for years, to the chagrin of Disney, I might add, who were worried that a movie without talking cars, rats, or cute robots wouldn't be merchandiseable. Case in point: Disney-Pixar followed Up with a very merchandise-friendly sequel that was better than it had any right to be, followed by a merchandise-friendly sequel that was worse than it had any right to be, followed by Brave. I think Toy Story 3 is better than Up, but it also marks a regression, a move back into the world of toy-based kids animation, whereas Up was supposed to mark Pixar's foray into more serious, original works. It also reaffirmed Pixar's ability to make a very successful great movie, which gave Disney the impression that they could have their cake and eat it. Cars 2 proved otherwise. I loved Toy Story 3, but I would like to see more Up
Jun 20 - 04:06 PM
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