World War Z
The Bling Ring
Jack the Giant Slayer
21 And Over
Logically, I don't see how this movie SHOULD receive anything less than a 90% once released. Given Pixar's, for the most part, glorious history of summer movie hits, the applied budget and the general premise and hype, all the tools should be present to make a masterpiece.
Perhaps this is the reason Disney has decided to release Wreck-It-Ralph, another animated film, early to cover potential losses.
Jun 15 - 10:21 PM
It just makes me angry how critical reviewers are these days. They just can't be impressed anymore. If this ends up with a pathetic 85% I'll be furious.
Jun 15 - 10:23 PM
Haha, but man 85% is not pathetic by any means. Sure that score might not equel up to some of Pixar's finest, but 85% is damn good. The only big summer film that has even topped 85% so far is "The Avengers", i'm starting to have a sneaky feeling that not too many films are going to top 85% this summer. I think some of these highly hyped films(not saying any names),might not score as high as some people think or hope think they will.
Jun 16 - 03:21 AM
Excuse me for the mess up at the end of my last post, i meant hope or think they will. Sometimes we all have to stop and realize that hitting 90% on RT is not an easy feat by no means, sometimes we can get spoiled by a studio's success and always assume every release will hit 90% and up on RT, and that's just not realistic or always the case, not even for Pixar.
Jun 16 - 03:31 AM
My prediction for what will happen in the movie based entirely upon adding up the previews. Protagonist is sick of having her Mother/Father making decisions for her. Proves her skill with the bow. Family is shocked. She then will run off into a forest where she'll run into an eccentric witch which turns her family into bears. The village freaks out, she returns just in time to save her bear family.
Any movie below 80% is something I'm going to have to wait for Redbox/Rental/Netflix. Pixar just isn't what it use to be.
Jun 15 - 11:36 PM
But sorry I've never been a fan of Pixar. I think their only movie I've liked was Monsters, Inc.
As far as animation studios are concerned, my favorites will always be Studio Ghibli and Aardman Animations.
Jun 16 - 12:07 AM
Shiiiiiiit. But yeah, the trailer never looked very interesting. Plot wise. It was just, 'would you change your fate?' -magical thing- Like what? What does that mean? There's nothing to lead me with.
Jun 16 - 04:26 AM
not looking good so far.. :/
Jun 16 - 09:14 AM
You guys mixed up Todd McCarthy's and Peter Debruge's publications. Todd is with Hollywood Reporter, Peter is with Variety.
Jun 16 - 09:37 AM
It's all about the story. Beautiful details cannot hide a weak or boring structure. I think Pixar needs another luncheon.
Jun 16 - 12:19 PM
I think I'll see Brave anyway, wont let critics shape my opinion. Though it does look like it has a thin "girls are just as good as boys" message, which is yawn-worthy.
Jun 16 - 02:24 PM
It's laughable how so many people (particularly Pixar fans) on here are having their feelings manipulated by the "tomatometer" (not to mention the movie hasn't even come out yet). You people do realize that a high tomatometer rating does not make a movie good, right? People are starting to live and die based on a movie's tomatometer rating, even outside of the internet. It's a joke. Watch a movie and then determine on your own if it's good or if you like it. Critics can be wrong, even in the majority. Hence why we have overrated and underrated movies. 2001 got seriously mixed reviews over 40 years ago. Now every critic who gave it a bad review comes back with a second review and lauds it as a masterpiece (which it is). Go out for yourself and decide if its good and stop crying if Pixar doesn't break 90%, because in the end it means dick. I mean I even saw a comment on here how someone said they wouldn't see a movie in theaters if it had less than 80%... seriously?? Are there movie fans this pretentious now? How about having some thoughts or critiques of your own for a movie instead of being a slave to the tomatometer?
Jun 16 - 04:01 PM
You have a good point. The tomatometer just means that a lot of people who know what theyre talking about like it, but thats it. Some of them may not be very smart, and some of them may only like it a little. I think its telling to see which percentile a film falls into, but one should not obsess over every percentage point. A 78% is not necessarily worse thatn a 79%, or even and 85%. Its better than a 30% though.
Jun 20 - 04:35 PM
I still think you fail to understand my point completely. Yes, all a positive rating represents is that the movie was considered "fresh" by a majority. But, what is a "fresh" rating even mean to begin with? Obviously it is intended to be that they liked it more than they disliked it. The tomatometer itself is just an average of two possible values (positive or fresh) - it's an arbitrary measure.
It makes much more sense to look at the Average rating (underneath the bold tomatometer number, as it seems most people on here haven't noticed). That's a true average of how people actually RATED the film. In this case Brave *currently* has 6.8 out of 10. So if people are hellbent on a number rating, consult that instead. It's much more accurate.
But what I wanted to make understood was why does it matter to begin with? If someone is a Pixar fanboy why do they care what a critic rates it as anyway? Why does it have to have 97% on an arbitrary rating scale for people to enjoy it?
ANSWER: Many Pixar fans are very supercilious because of the studio's past successes with the RT rating scheme. Many of these fans I believe are actually fanboys for a new subgenre(presumably created by a not-to-be-named movie review website): critically acclaimed movies. Sadly these are the most annoying, fair weather type of fans because they are not unyielding.
Jul 1 - 03:38 PM
If it's got a 64% right now, then Brave is definitely doomed to having a rotten when the rest of the critics see it. But who knows, maybe it can pull a miracle. Either way, I'm not interested in seeing it.
Jun 16 - 04:50 PM
Once again, I am forced to bring up the fact that other movies are decent but not great and score in the 70s or 80s. Cars 2: not great, but decent. Oh wait it's Pixar, let's be biased and give Cars 2 a 38%.
The way this site handles aggregate reviews is proof of just how silly aggregate reviews sites really are. No, I don't have a solution. It's an interesting topic, though.
Jun 16 - 09:32 PM
There are a few possible solutions, as I see it.
(1) People need to stop just looking at the tomatometer and read individual reviews. That's what I like about an aggregator site; rather than having to dig through the internet myself, I can go to RT and read a dozen or so reviews from different critics and figure out who reflects my taste and what I will likely think of it. Using that logic, I wound up going to see "John Carter" in spite of the "low" score, and really enjoyed it. However, since that will only help on an individual level...
(2) Get rid of the 60% pass/fail cutoff point that makes it look as though the tomatometer is a grade. 50% does not mean F, it means "mixed reviews, you probably have a 50/50 chance of liking it." 90% does not mean A, it means "most people liked it, but some of you may not." I'd like to see a 0-30% Rotten, 30-70% Mixed, and 70-100% Fresh system, myself.
(3) Allow reviewers to give a "mixed" rating rather than just fresh or rotten. It would make the tomatometer harder, but from how I've read them, most of the reviews of "Brave" fall into a "mixed" category.
All of that would help reduce some of the fan dumb that happens on this site and elsewhere.
Jun 17 - 02:02 AM
Also, RT editors? Stop releasing an aggregate summary review. When different reviewers feel radically differently, especially in that 40-60 range, you cannot generate an artificial consensus. It's meaningless, and in the case of these Tomatometer Watches, where a movie can drop from 88% to 64% overnight like "Brave" did, it makes you look foolish.
Jun 17 - 02:04 AM
I occasionally find myself liking movies that critics dislike, and disliking movies critics love. (Occasionally, not always). I'm hoping this is true for Brave.
Jun 17 - 12:06 AM
This is pixar 13th movie. Pixar have multiple overlapping project so they can make one movie every year. It ironic that Pixar 13th movie is not in the 90th percentile like some it other movies. I have a feeling that since they are doing multiple overlapping project , some of quality have been loss. I remember that pixar made one movie at a time. When they made one movie at a time, all of the projects was in the 90th percentile. It going to be like the transformers movie, because will go see it just because it made by pixar. The future for pixar isn't looking good, because the next movie is Monster University. Monster Universty is most like not going as good as the first one. Monster University might be something that disney want then to do.
Jun 17 - 02:28 AM
Yep, Monster University is just another sequel, and Disney likes sequels even more than original movies.
Jun 17 - 12:36 PM
I know you guys are going to hate me for this but... I liked Cars 2. Sure, the story's predictable (I liked the premise of going around the world with Lightning and Mater) and the characters may be underdeveloped, but at least it had some decent characters, some great action, and some of the most beautiful animation I've seen in modern times since Toy Story and other Pixar films. With this one, I hope it's going to be good as long as it gets boosted back up between 70% or 80%.
Jun 17 - 03:32 AM
Tyler M. Mannix
I see how Cars 2 has a likeable quality. Mater is a pretty awesome character, I couldn't complain about that.
Jun 17 - 12:27 PM
It's fine; everybody has an opinion.
Jun 17 - 06:53 PM
Wow Brave is doing much worse than I expected. I hope it doesn't drop all the way to rotten :(
Jun 17 - 08:25 AM
Pictures from a zombie nation
Woody Allen in San Francisco
See the Desolation of Smaug trailer!
Where does This Is the End rank?