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Michael Moore: The RT Interview
The director of Capitalism: A Love Story talks about politics, his detractors, and a recent project.
by Tim Ryan | September 30, 2009
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Michael Moore

Michael Moore has never been afraid to tackle big issues, from the struggles of American workers (Roger & Me) to health care (Sicko) to the war in Iraq (Fahrenheit 9/11). His latest, Capitalism: A Love Story, is no exception. Moore feels that capitalism is incompatible with democracy, and finds much evidence in the recent financial crisis that banks and corporations are responsible for the suffering of average Americans. Moore's lefty politics have made him a pariah of the right, but that hasn't necessarily been bad for his career; after a limited run last week, Capitalism goes wide on Friday, which is exceedingly rare for a documentary.

Moore spoke to RT while taking a train to the Washington, DC premiere of Capitalism: A Love Story; he discussed the meaning of Barack Obama's election, his detractors, and his latest project -- a non-profit movie theater in Traverse City, MI.



RT: It seems that, as usual, you're angry about what's going on in the world, but you're a bit more optimistic in this film. Did Obama's election change your perspective on the direction the country is going?

Michael Moore: Oh yeah. I mean, five years ago, when Fahrenheit came out, I was in the minority. Bush had a higher approval rating, people supported the war. Now, my politics and the politics of the majority of Americans have aligned, as evidenced by the election of Barack Obama. I was overjoyed at his election last year and remain very optimistic. I'm generally an optimist. I'm not a cynic. I've seen too much now to know that the crazy and the impossible can happen. I remember a time when I -- of course, like everyone else -- believed the Berlin Wall would never come down, and it came down. Or that Mandela would ever get out of prison and become president. Or that an African-American would be elected president of the United States. [I'm] continually surprised by the ability of people to ultimately do the right thing.

Your film doesn't necessarily present a solution for what you find to be the excesses of capitalism, but you do say that greater participation in democracy will allow for people to make money without leaving vast swaths of the populous behind. Do you think that's ever going to happen?

MM: Yes, of course I do. Yeah. [laughs]

People obviously talk to you a lot about the political stuff, but what do you do when you're not making movies?

MM: I spent the better part of the last year or two restoring a 100-year-old movie palace in the town where I live, and ended opening it up and operating it as a movie theater, and trying it as an experiment as to how to bring people back to the movies. Trying to show how a movie theater should be run. It has been an incredible experience. It's called the State Theater, and it's in Traverse City, Michigan. We've been open about 90 weeks, and of those 90 weeks, about a third of them, we've been the number one theater in the country, box office-wise, for the film that we're showing that week. And nobody's really written about this; it's kind of a "best kept secret" sort of thing. If you look at the grosses of -- like, when we had Lars and the Real Girl, we were the number one theater that week. We've been in the top 10 definitely more than half the weeks we've been open. We've been in the top 10 in the country, box office.

So do you tend to screen specialty films?

MM: Well, it's an independent movie theater, so, you know, we had Juno and Slumdog and (500) Days of Summer. You know, those were huge. I also show documentaries and foreign films, so my point is I'm gaining in a rural community where the last three elections went twice for Bush and once for McCain. I've been able to find a way to bring people to the movies who otherwise wouldn't go to the movies, especially independent movies.

How have you been able to do that?

MM: Well, there are a number of ways. First of all, I've created a wonderful movie theater that's comfortable to sit in. The projection and the sound is perfect. It's a fun place to be. It's a single-screen theater decorated in a 1940s motif; the ushers wear usher uniforms. It's non-profit, it's volunteer, pretty much volunteer-operated; the majority of the workers are ushers. The popcorn and pop is $2 each, and you can get candy for a dollar, so there's no rip-off prices. There's no commercials before the movies other than trailers, and cell phones are banned -- if we catch you on a cell phone or a blackberry, you're banned from the theater for life. You can never come back in.

Obviously, a lot of people have said, when you're making your films, "Oh, the facts aren't 100 percent," and you've responded by saying, "I'm starting the discussion," or, "I want want to make the most entertaining movie I can with the information I have."

MM: You know, my response to them saying that is, just try to find one fact in my films that is wrong, because they're all correct. Anybody who says that, they're putting out this information to distract people from having a discussion about the issues in the film. I'd like to hear one fact in this film, Sicko, Fahrenheit, any of them, where I've been wrong. In fact, I got so p---ed at listening to all of this on the last three films, I've offered $10,000 to anybody who can find a fact that's wrong with the film. Not an opinion; the opinions are mine. You know, an opinion can be right or wrong. This is my opinion; I may not be right. If I say the sun rises in the East, it rises in the East. If I say [home] foreclosures are filed in this country every seven and a half seconds, you can trust that.

Has the sometimes visceral reaction to your films bothered you, or do you think that shows you're doing your job?

MM: It doesn't bother me. Listen, the other side, they don't want the status quo to change. They want to keep things just as they are. Health insurance companies all want to make sure that they run our health care system and make a profit off it. General Motors didn't want to change, and we're seeing what happened to them. The National Rifle Association wants anybody to have access to assault weapons. So that's their position, so they naturally don't want to change those positions, and I'm a bit of a threat because my films reach a wide audience.

It seems like a number of filmmakers over the last few years have sort of appropriated, or paid homage to, the kind of stuff that you did in Roger and Me and subsequently, like Morgan Spurlock or Kirby Dick or, to a different degree, Sacha Baron Cohen. How do you feel about those films?

MM: I watch them, I love them, and those guys have said publically how they were inspired by watching my work over the years. So I'm very honored by that.

There was some scuttlebutt up in Toronto that you might be done making documentaries.

MM: No, no, no. It was just what I said at the end of the film. I said, you know, I'm not going to keep doing this if you the people don't [assert] yourselves politically. That's all I meant, so I'm expecting people to get involved and be active.

Have you ever thought about making another fiction film?

MM: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, mm-hmm. I'll do that.

What are you working on next?

MM: This is the first time in a number of films that I haven't had the next film lined up. But that was on purpose, because, like I said at the end of the film, I'm going to wait and see what people are going to do.


Capitalism: A Love Story opens in wide release this weekend. Visit the film's RT page here to read up on reviews thus far.

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bha
bha writes:
on Sep 30 2009 04:59 PM

This Mister is even worst then the things he talks about; he uses what he thinks its "bad" to his own agenda; in the end he becomes what he trashes.

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David W.
David W. writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:15 PM

I don't have any respect for this guy. He's a classless moron.

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Don't Tase Me Bro
Don't Tase Me Bro writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:16 PM

Great interview Tim. Very informative.

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Bigbrother
Bigbrother writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:21 PM

Not going to trash the guys films, because basically everything that can be said has already been said and people can make up their own minds, but a couple things he say's in this interview did catch my eye. One is that Mr. Moore has a very good talent for giving people what they want. Economies bad, give people someone to blame. Wow, newsflash being poor is bad and people don't like it. Talking on RT, wow suddenly the independant theater opening comes up. I'm sure that's going to play poorly, but anyway what really got me was the suggestion that people in rural area's don't watch movies. I grew up in Iowa and all we did as teenagers was watch movies during the fall and winter and now adays more than ever tons of little towns are springing up with theaters that show all manner of films. I could be reading too much into the comment, but it came across to me as very condescending as if people in cities feel like people from "Red states" or whatever PC buzzward is popular do nothing but polish our guns, make babies and watch Elvis movies on our 3 TV channels. I would expect better from someone who comes from a middle class background himself. It's no more true than people from cities are all latte swilling jerks who sit around worshipping Obama pictures. OK, maybe I did bash the guy a little, but I assure you I don't just reserve my bile for him. I'm an equal opportunity hater for both sides of the political spectrum. I hate folks like Moore, O'Reilly, Coulter and Beck who seek to pull us apart when what we really need to do is come together. I'll probably go see this movie if for nothing else to reaffirm that after 230 years democracy and capitalism are still compatible concepts despite a rough couple of years.

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Scagnettie
Scagnettie writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:21 PM

In reply to this comment (#2549768)
Nyxcore... There is a handy dandy thing called spell check these days.

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Bigbrother
Bigbrother writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:33 PM

In reply to this comment (#2549776)
Now now, lets not be a grammar Nazi.

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gypsyrydr
gypsyrydr writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:39 PM

In reply to this comment (#2549776)
a comment on someone's substance or lack of is spelling?

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bha
bha writes:
on Sep 30 2009 05:52 PM

In reply to this comment (#2549776)
Thank you.
No I ask, can someone not from America reply? Just so I know if You let me post on RT from now on =)

Obviously English its not my 1st language.


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bha
bha writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:11 PM

Ok then. Itīs safe to assume that non-English persons and/or people with lesser writing skills can also give his/her opinion =)
Not going to "name calling" here like in some posts but this "mister" just use peopleīs paranoia and Conspiracy theory maniacs to fill his pockets.


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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:11 PM

I'd think Michael Moore was much cooler if he didn't stab Ralph Nader in the back like some petty hypocrite.

Other than that, I think he's cool, but I still refuse to see his new film for that reason.


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Colyn B.
Colyn B. writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:17 PM

I have never and will never like this man.

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Don't Tase Me Bro
Don't Tase Me Bro writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:18 PM

In reply to this comment (#2549783)
No problemo Nyxcore...your profile photo made it clear to me that English was probably not your 1st language.

Believe when I say we get far worse comments from people on RT where English IS their 1st language.


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M H.
M H. writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:20 PM

Moore tells half-truths or lies. How he didn't have the top three worst movies of the decade, I don't know. His "truth" he presents in films can be easily disproved with research.

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Bedram B.
Bedram B. writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:33 PM

^^^ Then disapprove them. He might give you the $10,000. That is, if you find a credible source.

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tomwaitsjr
tomwaitsjr writes:
on Sep 30 2009 06:54 PM

I would have loved to know his 5 favorite films. Might have revealed more about himself.

But, I agree, good interview. I've seen him interviewed a lot this week, the best one being on Friday's Bill Maher show.



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De4ective Detectiv3
De4ective Detectiv3 writes:
on Sep 30 2009 07:56 PM

As misguided as Moore is, at least he means well, unlike all these conservative commentaters that have nothing intelligent or constructive to say. The are content to sit back and just point out the flaws in arguements from people like Moore, but when do they ever champion a cause or speak out against injustice?

Now more than ever we need to bring attention to our economic woes. Since the recession nothing has really changed, no laws have been passed, the market is no more regulated than it was before, and because of this, it is predicted that we are headed towards another bubble.

And what happens when people try to have their voice heard through peaceful demonstration? They get pelted w/ tear gas like at the recent G20 conference in Pittsburgh. If you haven't seen the video's go check out youtube, there's nothing more alarming than seeing 4 or 5 cops draped in swat gear swarming a 120lb woman as she walks away from them non-violently.

Fact of the matter is, we need films like this, if not only to get people riled up against the injustice that is being perpetrated against them as we speak. People don't seem to be as angry as they should, considering they were just raped by our financial system and there is no indication that it wont happen again. No, instead they spend all their energy giving people like Moore a peace of their mind, one of the few people who are actually, like it or not, trying to help.

But no, Moore is the enemy. The big, self righteous hollywood fat cat. What's wrong w/ this guy, doesn't he know celebrities are supposed to be callous bastards? How dare he try and use his fame in a positive way! I just think its hypocritical how people like to critisize celebrities as being shallow and self centered, but when they try to use their fame for a purpose they are attacked. How evil can this guy be, he directed Canadian Bacon!


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ktomas
ktomas writes:
on Sep 30 2009 08:29 PM

It's really interesting to hear about Moore's success with refurbishing and reviving the State Theater, plus showing various independent cinema there. Having grown up in the Traverse City area myself, I had always held some hope that this old style 'downtown' mainstay wouldn't become gutted for office space, like its sister theater the Michigan had been years ago.

On a short visit last year, I finally had the chance to check out what had happened to the State, and it looks fabulous. Even better looking now than it was back when I was a kid watching movies in the balcony!


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Adv2k169
Adv2k169 writes:
on Sep 30 2009 08:45 PM

Bravo mr. moore for not shutting up and having a spine. To many Democrats refuse to stand up .

I hope that Moore can personally show this movie to President Obama at the White House. Obama needs to be more serious in reforming wall street.


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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Sep 30 2009 08:48 PM

i find Moores films to be entertaining. I cant take him too seriously though...

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ZiGyStRdUsT
ZiGyStRdUsT writes:
on Sep 30 2009 09:02 PM

I like him regardless of what everyone else says.

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