Imaginative in a highly familiar and ultimately tedious way.
... um what? How can you think something is imaginative and say it's familiar?
Sep 21 - 07:43 PM
Because a lot of Tim Burton movies tend to hit the same Edward Scissorhands bars. And while Edward Scissorhands was a good movie and really imaginative, he's been drawing off it like mad ever since.
Sep 30 - 04:10 PM
Really? Ed Wood was hardly like Edward Scissorhands. Same goes for Sleepy Hollow, Mars Attacks, Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Sweeney Todd, Alice in Wonderland and Dark Shadows. They hardly hit the same bars as they are very different films. Do your research kid....
Sep 30 - 04:28 PM
Dark, whimsical, supernatural movies, featuring Johnny Depp and a color palette that is either washed out or all over the place. That's everything there but Mars Attacks and Planet of the Apes, which are typically acknowledged as his worst.
Nov 6 - 01:07 PM
Sadly that goes for pretty much all of Tim Burton's movies. Sad really.
Sep 26 - 09:42 AM
Still better than re-imagning Batman, X-Men, Superman, or Spiderman over and over again like these so-called, imaginative filmmakers of these days....
Sep 26 - 05:39 PM
but... frankenweenie is a re-imagining of Burton's short from 1984.
Sep 28 - 03:34 PM
Obviously you completely missed the point.
About Tim Burton's re-imagining Frankenweenie. Let's say it again. Still better than re-imagining Batman, X-Men, Superman, or Spiderman over and over again like these so-called, imaginative filmmakers of these days....
Sep 28 - 03:57 PM
You're right. Frankenweenie is far superior to The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.
Sep 28 - 11:46 PM
Most movies are superior to Christopher Nolan's garbage....
Sep 29 - 05:24 AM
So you have a different taste in movies... big deal. Your opinion doesn't make a good movie bad or a bad movie good. You have to understand it's just your opinion and not the Final Word. Of course, there are movies that have an almost equally divided opinion. You can voice yours there as much as you want. But don't bother putting down movies that are globally praised, or, for that matter, praising movies that get mostly negative criticism. Your opinion only has value if you can back it up with "why" you like or dislike a movie. Even then you must adopt a tone that isn't dismissive of opinions of the majority. Just saying things like Christopher Nolan's movies are garbage, or such and such movie sucks makes you sound like a basement troll.
Sep 30 - 01:45 AM
"But don't bother putting down movies that are globally praised"
That's funny. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory recieved really good reviews from the critics, and was a hit at the box office, yet it seems perfectly okay for people to say that, "it's one of the worst movies ever made." Funny how when one takes a knock at something like comic book movies - or Christopher Nolan, suddenly it becomes nothing more than a bias, irrelevant opinion, or - as you call it - trolling. Funny how, as long as one doesn't like the movie that's a huge hit and was critically praised, it is okay to call it a terrible movie, yet if what does like the movie that's a huge hit and critically praised, one must be a troll to hate it. Good going there.
"Your opinion only has value if you can back it up with "why" you like or dislike a movie."
Let's fix what you mean there. You mean, "your opinion only has value if you like the same things that I like."
"Even then you must adopt a tone that isn't dismissive of opinions of the majority"
No I musn't. I'm dismissive of them because it's what they deserve....
Sep 30 - 06:49 AM
Okay we get it. You dontblike supehero sh*t. Like its not obvious enough you want yo put it out there.
Oct 2 - 10:31 PM
Burton's best movie was and always has been Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. The Apes remake REALLY stunk and so did the Chocolate factory one for that matter.
Sep 30 - 06:27 PM
"The Apes remake REALLY stunk and so did the Chocolate factory one for that matter."
Nope. You're just trying to put down the movie for being globally praised and a success. You're just being a basement troll....
Oct 1 - 03:42 AM
How ironic given that you've replied to a good majority of the users here who hold different views than your own. If you're a Tim Burton die hard that's fine, but it makes your opinion no more credible than these others.
Oct 1 - 05:54 PM
I don't give replies to people just for having different views. I give replies to people who have put little thought into the subject before developing an opinion on it, and thusly, say something inaccurate or stupid.
Also, I was told directly that if you may negative comments about a movie that gathered positive reviews and was a hit at the box office, the only reason you'd do that is for attention or to be a troll. So, whenever I see someone putting down Charlie and the Chocolate Factory which got both great reviews and was a hit at the box office, therefore, I'm going to point out that they're just seeking attention or trolling, because, as I was told by someone here, you would only put down a movie like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to be a basement troll....
Oct 3 - 06:35 AM
So... I should go see this?
Sep 30 - 07:21 PM
re: "About Tim Burton's re-imagining Frankenweenie. Let's say it again. Still better than re-imagining Batman, X-Men, Superman, or Spiderman over and over again like these so-called, imaginative filmmakers of these days."
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Translation: Tim Burton fanboy. And Burton's fan base is, like all fan bases, is in itself hopelessly unimaginative, and in complete denial that their pedestaled "god" is merely coasting on past successes. Burton's last great film was 'Ed Wood" (which was his masterpiece). "Sweeney Todd" is ONLY of interest if one has NOT seen the original, far more fresher version. Alice is all artifice, jettisoning the surrealism in favor of ADD pacing. Charlie is on the sleeve weird, nowhere as genuinely eccentric as Wilder's Wonka. Burton is recycled artifice, a caricature of himself. I hope Frankenweenie is a return to form, even if Burton is cannibalizing himself. The short, like Vincent, is Burton at his best.
Burton fans/comic book fans: cut from the same cloth.
Oct 1 - 04:52 AM
Yes just yes. Everything is agreeable in this paragragh.
Oct 2 - 10:35 PM
"And Burton's fan base is, like all fan bases, is in itself hopelessly unimaginative, and in complete denial that their pedestaled "god" is merely coasting on past successes."
Not true. Though Burton's fan base is like many fan bases, it's still better than the likes of the comic book fan base in which everybody who is part of it is dumb. And no, the Burton fanbase doesn't see Burton as being incredibly imaginative. The Burton fan base sees Burton as being himself, and wants it to stay that way. In fact, it's the non Burton fans that talk about imagination all the time, whilst going to see the reboot of Superman, the reboot of Batman, the reboot of Spiderman, the reboot of the Hulk, and claiming that comic book films are creative, imaginative and well developed....
"Burton's last great film was 'Ed Wood" (which was his masterpiece)."
Burton's last great film was Sweeney Todd. Not his masterpiece, but certainly great....
""Sweeney Todd" is ONLY of interest if one has NOT seen the original, far more fresher version."
Seen the musical. I don't know if you can really call the musical the original though. The musical is based on a stage play by Christopher Bond, which was based on a number of stage plays by other stage writers and directors, which was based on a penny dreadful. Not sure how it can be considered not only original, but THE original, when it's based on something from centuries ago....
"Charlie is on the sleeve weird, nowhere as genuinely eccentric as Wilder's Wonka."
Wilder's Wonka is nowhere near eccentric. People grew up with that movie, and they look at it through eyes that erase the flaws. They see it as a perfect movie, because it meant something to them when they couldn't spell their own names. Nobody judges that movie accurately, and nobody judges Wilder accurately. No fan of that movie has ever grown up. They're still young, but still young in the unfortunate way....
"Burton is recycled artifice, a caricature of himself."
Burton is a filmmaker who makes films. He could making three Batman movies, making crap like Sucker Punch, or rebooting the Hulk for a second time, or rebooting Spiderman, or rebooting Superman, or doing all these things that the so-called "imaginative filmmakers" of today are doing. Instead, Burton does what every director should do. Make the films he wants to make, and not compromise his style for people who never liked his films in the first place (and worse yet) consider making three Batman movies an example of a genius and diverse filmmaker....
"I hope Frankenweenie is a return to form,"
Burton is just recycling the things he has done before, you say. Now, you demand that he go back to.... making films like those he did before? Good thinking there....
"The short, like Vincent, is Burton at his best."
Uhhhh.... not really. Vincent was really good, but Frankenweenie was mediocre. People overlook the amateur mistakes and the overall lack of quality, just because it's old. It's like how people call Beetle Juice a classic, incredible movie these days, but Burton himself says that it was panned by the reviewers when it came out. Same goes for Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, and that's the highest rated Burton film on this website....
Think before you post, kid....
Oct 6 - 09:06 PM
I was hoping this would be about Frankfurters and Weiners, but, alas not.
Oct 1 - 11:54 PM