The most Tim Burton-y of the director's films, and not just because it contains a vast catalog of references to his own movies - everything from "Edward Scissorhands'' to the underrated 1989 "Batman.''
Who underrates his Batman?
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Oct 8 - 07:47 AM
the underrated Batman of 89? The biggest movie of that decade? huh?
Oct 5 - 03:01 PM
Maybe he means now with the newer Batman films the 1989 version isn't appreciated as much?
Oct 6 - 02:35 AM
I hate the 1989 "Batman". In fact, with the exception of "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm", I hate every single Batman movie that isn't directed by Christopher Nolan.
Oct 6 - 08:45 AM
I love the 1989 Batman. In fact, with the exception of Batman: Mask of the Phantasm," I hate every Batman movie that isn't directed by Tim Burton....
Oct 6 - 08:44 PM
I love the 1989 "Batman." In fact, with the exception of "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm," I hate every Batman movie that isn't directed by Tim Burton....
Oct 6 - 08:45 PM
I respect all opinions, but I just don't find what you said plausible. How can someone prefer the campy, over-the-top style of Burton's films to the realistic, intelligent neo-noir bleakness that pervades Nolan's movies, the political allegories, the social allusions, the phenomenal performances, the intricate plots, and the haunting questions that it poses. Tim Burton's films are to Nolan's what Singer's "Superman Returns" was to the original two. Don't get me wrong: there are plenty of Tim Burton films that I love, including "Frankenweenie", but his Batman films are at the very bottom of the barrel.
Oct 7 - 10:57 AM
Simple. Because what you listed are not present in Nolan's films.
Intelligence? Nope. In fact, it's like of intelligence that allows characters to do what they do. As Christopher Nolan says about writing a script, "just figure it out later." Which results in scenes like the Joker crashing the party in which Batman dives out of a window to save Rachel, and then they cut to the next scene. What the hell happened to the party? Did the Joker just walk out? Couldn't Batman tell the cops, and the cops surround the building? No explanation because instead of making sure he wrote a plausible script, he made up a bunch of trash and tried to make it work later.
Noir? Burton's Batman was more noir than Nolan's. Nolan's was more just modern typical action garbage.
Political allegories? Well, when they are based on film politics (bullshit), political allegories don't matter.
Social allusions? Present in the Burton films, and deeper and darker for that matter.
Phenomenal performances? Who? Christian Bale? That talentless idiot? Maggie Gyllenhaal? Her getting killed was the best part. Aaron Eckhart? It's like somebody told him "just shout a lot and you'll be doing a good job." Morgan Freeman's just there to talk like Morgan Freeman, and Michael Caine's just there to talk like Michael Caine. Phenomenal? Sitting on your ass and talking ain't phenomenal.
Intricate plot? Batman Begins - group tries to destroy Gotham, Batman stops them. Dark Knight - Joker wants to create chaos in the city and force Batman to compromise his principles, Batman doesn't. Dark Knight Rises - group tries to destroy Gotham, Batman stops them... So intricate.
But you are right about haunting questions. Questions like, "how dumb is Bruce Wayne?" Or, "wow, why does everything work so conveniently?" Or, "how the hell could anybody set a timer up to go off and open a window at the very same time that people on the ground are shooting into the air?" Or, "how could he have survived a nuclear explosion from right next to it, i mean, didn't Indiana Jones do something just as stupid, and didn't everybody point out just how stupid an idea it is?" Or, "how the hell do you expect to discover the identity of a criminal, unless you wipe all that makeup off his face?" Or, "how do you fall from 50 floors up, smash on top of a car using absolutely nothing to slow your fall, and show nearly no injury from it?" Or, "what the hell was all that blue crap at the end of the Dark Knight, and... what the hell is that explanation Morgan Freeman gave for how it works? That explanation made no sense?" And "how the hell can you see with that weird blue lighted sonar vision? Wouldn't you just fall into an epileptic seizure?" And, "what the hell was that ballistics thing that he was doing in the second movie? I mean, actual detectives have no idea what he's doing in that scene." Or "how did he find fingerprints on the bullet? Wouldn't the bullet have been in a shell? Wouldn't the shell have had the fingerprint on it?" Plenty of questions. I guess the real question that should be asked is, "how the hell could anybody regard all these lunacy, ridiculousness as being, "realistic," or "intelligent"?
Nolan's Batman movies are to Burton's Batman movies, what Schumacher's Batman movies are to Burton's Batman movies. The garbage that came later....
Oh, and to answer the question as to why somebody could prefer campy and over-the-top. Simple. The comics are campy and over-the-top....
Oct 7 - 06:55 PM
@Andrew StClair I know compliments mean nothing to people nowadays.
But I don't care, you sir deserve to know you're a genius without feeling the least bit vain.
Oct 20 - 10:13 PM
1989 Batman was likely the biggest cinema disappointment in my life. What a dud.
Oct 19 - 01:44 PM