Weekly Ketchup: Third G.I. Joe Movie Now In Development

Plus, new roles for Jessica Chastain, Chloe Moretz, and Zoe Saldana, and Tim Burton finds his next film.

This week's Ketchup includes movies development news stories that include new roles for Anne Hathaway and Matthew McConaughey, and news about the sequels Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.


This Week's Top Story

TOY ADAPTATION G.I. JOE TO GET A THIRD MOVIE, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS FOR TOY MOVIES (AND PROBABLY BAD NEWS FOR EVERYONE ELSE)

Just when it seemed like maybe the drive in Hollywood to produce a new wave of movies based on toys might have been prevented, G.I. Joe: Retaliation had a huge weekend, and it looks like those plans are probably right back on again. Retaliation opened to $132 million globally, and enough domestically to make it the second best Easter weekend opening ever. And so, Paramount has unsurprisingly started development on a third G.I. Joe movie. The spin that we can eventually expect from the studio or the involved producers is that this was all part of a plan for a G.I. Joe trilogy, but the lack of such talk when people expected G.I. Joe: Retaliation to be a huge bomb (like when it was bumped back from June, 2012) might suggest otherwise.

Fresh Developments This Week

#1 TWELVE YEARS LATER, FINDING NEMO GETS A SEQUEL IN FINDING DORY

Pixar Films and Walt Disney Pictures have officially announced that the Finding Nemo sequel will be called ( http://collider.com/finding-nemo-2-finding-dory-release-date/ ) Finding Dory, and will be released on November 25, 2015, over twelve years after the release of the original film (oh how, tempus fugit). Albert Brooks and Ellen DeGeneres (as the title character) are both confirmed to return in this new CGI animated adventure which is set one year after the events of the first film, which effectively makes it a period piece (though it's unlikely we'll be getting much circa-2004-nostalgia). Finding Dory will also be director Andrew Stanton's next film after the experiment with live action that the world more commonly knows as last year's John Carter.


#2 ZOE SALDANA'S FRANCHISE COLLECTION EXPANDS WITH GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY

It's more common with elderly British actors (like Sirs Christopher Lee and Ian McKellen), but Zoe Saldana is another actor that is starting to pile up appearances in genre franchises that would be really handy if people still played Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It all started with Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, and continued with major roles in Avatar and Star Trek. Now, Saldana is expanding her franchise domination by engaging in talks with Marvel Studios to play the green-skinned alien assassin Gamora in Guardians of the Galaxy. With Chris Pratt and Dave Bautista already cast as Star-Lord and Drax the Destroyer, the only remaining team members left to be announced are Rocket Raccoon and Groot, both of whom are likely to be mostly voice cast (since they are, respectively, a genetically manipulated animal and a talking tree). There was also an online story that (if true) lets us know that one of the villains in Guardians of the Galaxy might be frequent Iron Man enemy The Controller, acting as an agent of Thanos (who's expected to be the main villain of The Avengers 2). Finally, ComingSoon.net scored this week a photo gallery of over a dozen concept art images from Marvel's Phase 2 films, which includes our first glimpses at Falcon and the Winter Soldier from Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and a pretty good look at what Rocket Raccoon might look like.


#3 TIM BURTON RETEAMS WITH THE WRITERS OF ED WOOD FOR THE BIOPIC BIG EYES

Tim Burton has been making "big movies" for so long that it might be easy to forget that little biopic he directed back in 1994 about the life of filmmaker Ed Wood. Just in time for that movie's 20th anniversary next year, Tim Burton has signed with The Weinstein Company to direct another biopic written by Ed Wood cowriters Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski. The movie in question is called Big Eyes, which will tell the true story of Margaret and Walter Keane, the married couple responsible for a distinct type of kitschy paintings easily recognized for the size of the eyes of the subjects. The couple's story includes the twist that it was Walter Keane who took the credit at the time for the paintings, despite his wife Margaret being the one that actually painted them (sometimes locked in a room until she finished). Big Eyes has been in development for a while now, with the two roles previously being discussed as going first to Kate Hudson and Thomas Haden Church, and then to Reese Witherspoon and Ryan Reynolds. Well, if all negotiations go well, the final pairing will instead be Amy Adams and Christoph Waltz. Filming of Big Eyes will start this summer, after which, Tim Burton will probably move onto making a movie with Johnny Depp.


#4 JESSICA CHASTAIN AND BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH JOIN GUILLERMO DEL TORO'S GHOST STORY CRIMSON PEAK

This week, Jessica Chastain (Zero Dark Thirty) and Benedict Cumberbatch (Star Trek Into Darkness) joined already announced cast members Emma Stone (Easy A) and Charlie Hunnam (Pacific Rim) as the stars of Guillermo Del Toro's next film, Crimson Peak. Although specifics aren't yet known, Crimson Peak is described as a ghost story set during the turn of the 20th Century (from the 19th) which plays around a bit with some of the conventions of the subgenre. Filming is expected to start on Crimson Peak in January, 2014.




#5 CHLOE MORETZ AND NICHOLAS HOULT JOIN CHARLIZE THERON FOR DARK PLACES

Dark Places is the title of an adaptation of a mystery novel by Gillian Flynn about a woman who has to revisit the massacre of her family 20 years later when a group called the Kill Club questions whether the right person was convicted for the murders. Charlize Theron has already been cast as the main character (replacing the previously reported Amy Adams). This week, <Chloe Moretz (Kick-Ass) and Nicholas Hoult (Warm Bodies, About a Boy) were also cast as members of the Kill Club. Dark Places was adapted and will be directed by Gilles Paquet-Brenner (2011's Sarah's Key).



#6 WILLIAM H. MACY ATTRACTS AN ALL-STAR CAST FOR HIS DIRECTORIAL DEBUT RUDDERLESS

Actor William H. Macy will be making his directorial debut with a musical drama called Rudderless about a father who forms a band to perform the original music that he discovers was written by his dead son (in other words, the feel good movie of 2014). In addition to starring with his wife Felicity Huffman, Macy has recruited several established actors to join him in the cast. That list will include Billy Crudup, Laurence Fishburne, Selena Gomez (Spring Breakers), and Anton Yelchin (Star Trek Into Darkness). There's a very solid chance that Rudderless will make its premiere at a festival like Sundance next year.



#7 LIAM HEMSWORTH TO STAR IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOVIE CALLED THE RAVEN

Liam Hemsworth inevitably still gets confused with his brother Chris (the one who is Thor), who is not the one who was in The Hunger Games. Well, now, he's going to star in a movie that itself will be confused with a movie last year starring John Cusack. Liam Hemsworth is in advanced talks to star in The Raven, which has zero to do with Edgar Allen Poe, and is instead based upon a 2010 short film by director Ricardo de Montreuil. The Raven is described as a sci-fi conspiracy thriller set in a future version of Los Angeles. Universal Pictures is producing and distributing. Consider this a borderline Fresh/Rotten toss up, because we really don't have much to go on besides what we can gather from watching the original short film on YouTube.

Rotten Ideas of the Week

#2 AFTER SERVING IN WORLD WAR Z, BRAD PITT ENLISTS FOR THE WORLD WAR II TANK MOVIE FURY

Nobody knows anything in Hollywood, so "everybody" could be wrong, but the common perception is that World War Z has a strong chance at being one of the summer's biggest flops. As such, Brad Pitt is understandably looking to do something completely different next, even if it's really easy to draw comparisons, just based on his next film's title. Brad Pitt is in talks to star in Fury, a World War II drama about a five man tank team that finds itself facing a massive German army in the final days of the war in 1945. Fury will be directed by David Ayer (Harsh Times, Street Kings, End of Watch), and it's the amount of green splotches on his RT Tomatometer page that make Fury a Rotten Idea this week. Filming of Fury is expected to start in September, 2013.


#1 HERCULES 3D CONFIRMS WHAT THE LATEST PAIR OF DUELING MOVIES WILL BE ABOUT

In the same way that a gas station on a corner means there will be another one across the street within a year, Hollywood loves the concept of "dueling movies," in which two movies from competing studios have the same basic premise. Volcanos, manned missions to blow up asteroids, attacks on the White House, Snow White, and Steve Prefontaine biopics are among the subjects this has happened to in the past. To that list, you can now officially add 2014 movies about the Greek mythological hero Hercules. Director Renny Harlin expects to start filming in Bulgaria in May on a movie called Hercules 3D which will be directly competing with a movie called Hercules, which will be directed by Brett Ratner and star Dwayne Johnson. In Renny Harlin's movie, the Greek hero will be played Kellan Lutz of The Twilight Saga. Harlin's movie is budgeted at $70 million, and is expected to be released in March, 2014, several months before MGM and Paramount are releasing Ratner's movie on August 8, 2014. While Ratner's film is expected to be more "fantastic," Renny Harlin's film is being compared (by Harlin) to Gladiator, saying that, "It's not a comic book, cartoony fantasy thing." Renny Harlin apparently didn't get the memo that many people don't necessarily use "comic book" as an insult anymore.

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Comments

Typhon

Typhon Q

I don't even see why G.I. Joe is the top story. Finding Dory should be up there.

Apr 5 - 04:53 PM

I fight for the users

Ian Fastert

That's what I thought too.

Apr 5 - 05:34 PM

Andrew Targaryen

Andrew Targaryen

Same here

Apr 6 - 06:29 AM

TheMovieGuy

Robbie Moore

Yeah, why isn't a sequel to Finding Nemo top story?

Apr 6 - 09:44 AM

ToDandy

Todd Anderson

That or #1 on the rotten ideas. The more time Pixar spends making lackluster sequels, the less great original movies (like Up and Wall-E) are being produced. I'm not happy to hear Andrew Stanton is trying to recoup his John Carter losses through Finding Nemo.

Apr 6 - 09:53 PM

Joseph Felton

Joseph Felton

He would have plans to make this movie well before John Carter, as it takes a ridiculously long time to develop a pixar film, and they prove doubters wrong every year, their love for these characters shouldn't be put to rest just to make different movies. It's a massive company with a massive future.

Apr 7 - 11:44 AM

ToDandy

Todd Anderson

Every year? What about the year Cars 2 came out? And Brave wasn't exactly remarkable either. They were playing it pretty safe and in my opinion Brave was the second weakest Pixar film (though I did enjoy it).

Apr 7 - 07:23 PM

Kate W.

Kate Williams

what Kate said its wonderful that one can make about $6500 in monthly by uploading music/video clips on HomeProfit, did you read the page at http://cutt.us/Career

Apr 12 - 11:56 AM

I fight for the users

Ian Fastert

That's what I thought too.

Apr 5 - 05:34 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Top News:
Never saw the first one, had zip interest in the second one, could give less of a shit about this.

Fresh:

1)...YAWN!!!

2) Now I'm more intersted in this Guardians movie. Zoe Saldana is hot & can truly kick ass as an actress.

3) I've never known about these artists, but I've seen their works in various places, & they're gorgeous. And since it has both Burton & Adams involved as well as the writers of Ed Wood, this will make it all the better for me. This is the best news this week.

4) Ghost Story? GUILLERMO DEL TORO?!?? Amazing for sure!

5) Yawnville.

6) More Yawnville.

7) Still more Yawnville.

Rotten:

2) Still more fucking Yawnville.

1) So, as uninteresting as this is, this is still considered more rotten over a movie getting a sequel it DOESN'T NEED OR DESERVE because the director thought it did over John Carter? (as much as that film sucked, it arguably needs one over Finding Derpy)

Apr 5 - 05:48 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

Del Toro hasn't made a good Hollywood film yet.

Apr 5 - 07:46 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Hellboy, Hellboy 2. Go troll somewhere else.

Apr 5 - 08:31 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

yeah . . . then there's Don't Be Afraid of the Dark, the worst piece of CRAP in Horror Movie History. At least Lucio Fulci's Quella Villa Accanto al Cimitero had more atmosphere and overall character. Del Toro should never be able to get behind a camera again after producing Don't Be Afraid of the Dark.

Apr 6 - 08:58 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

del Toro's exercise in shlock reminds me of House by the Cemetery hence the comparison.

Apr 6 - 09:00 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

First off, as bad as Don't be Afraid of the Dark was, the worst horror movie in history spot is already taken by House of the Dead or An American Haunting. Secondly Del Toro's only involvement in that movie was being the producer & screenwriter. No direction involvement did he have.

Apr 6 - 10:12 AM

Valmordas

Val Mordas

True, he did attach his name to it tho - and not in a subtle manner, more like a headline. Maybe he should have watched it first lol?

Apr 6 - 09:17 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

LOL, yes I am trolling because I think the Hellboys are not good movies. Is there anything worse than an idiot who starts calling people trolls for not liking shytty movies?

Apr 7 - 11:51 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

You mean like an idiot calling one of the best comic book adaptions a bad movie & can't even spell the word "shitty" properly? Yeah, sure there is.

Apr 7 - 02:17 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Val

Well, I'm assuming he didn't watch it either, otherwise he would have seen how bad that one really was.

Apr 7 - 04:00 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

Yawnville indeed on that #2 Rotten idea. As if the world needs yet another World War II movie. I'm getting sleepy just thinking about it.

Apr 6 - 08:32 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

sounded like Farmville for a second. Yawnville, now that's AND IDEA. a game about Lazy-Days in a fictitious town named Yawn-Ville.

Apr 6 - 08:55 AM

Steven Potgeter

Steven Potgeter

What happened to PIXAR? Why are they making all of these sequels all of a sudden? At least DreamWorks keeps upping their game.

Apr 5 - 05:58 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I don't consider The Croods upping thier game.

Apr 5 - 06:01 PM

Steven Potgeter

Steven Potgeter

I thought The Croods was great.

Apr 6 - 04:55 AM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Me too, better then ROTG.

Apr 8 - 05:37 AM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

They have How To Train Your Dragon 2 next year so I don't think there on a streak.

Apr 5 - 07:05 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

True. I just hope it measures up to the first film, which is one of my favorite animated films.

Apr 5 - 07:24 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

I think so too, Shrek 2 was as good as its predecessor, Kung Fu Panda 2 was pretty good and Madagascar 2 was better then its predecessor.

Apr 5 - 07:57 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

What happened to Pixar? Disney bought it. To Disney, Pixar is just yet another product to milk. The same will be happening soon in a galaxy far, far away. If you think that Lucas was ruining the Star Wars name, just wait until you see what Disney does to it. They're going to make his marketing ploys seem like kids' play. The quality and edginess that once was there in Pixar movies have been growing weaker and weaker ever since Disney bought it.
They already made a sequel to Cars, the worst Pixar movie yet, and now they're going to do a Cars spin-off, Planes. It's all about pushing toy units off the store shelves.
The Pixar that made those early Toy Story movies and The Incredibles is a thing of the past.
There's no way in the world that the DISNEY Pixar of today would make anything like The Incredibles.

Apr 6 - 08:37 AM

Flai M.

Flai Man

They made Wall-e and UP after been bought by Disney... I like those better than any Pixar movie

Apr 6 - 01:35 PM

Kurtiss Keefner

Kurtiss Keefner

Disney isn't necessarily ruining Pixar. The company has been downhill since Steve Jobs and several of their other top tier directors/writers/thought-provokers left. The company simply just lacks the talent it used to have, and that's why the films they make suffer in creativity.

Apr 6 - 08:38 PM

King  S.

King Simba

You keep conveniently forgetting the four movies that came before Cars 2, all of which are considered classics and were made after Disney had bought Pixar (Personally, I?d rate all of them higher than Incredibles and that?s saying something). I?d argue that Pixar has never been in more control of their films, given that it was after Disney bought Pixar that John Lasseter was promoted to chief creative officer, and now he even has a say in the non-Pixar Disney animated movies (which is arguably part of the reason why they?ve bounced back after spending so much time playing second fiddle to Pixar and Dreamworks).

As for Brave and Cars 2, well personally I don?t think they?re as bad as their reputation, but as for why they?re not as good as previous Pixar films it could be that Pixar is finally starting to buckle under the pressure to keep delivering hits that they?re starting to play it a little too safe, but it could just as likely be that they disappointed due to certain circumstances. After all Brave had a lot of production problems, including the replacing of a director halfway through production. You could argue that it?s impressive enough that it didn?t end up being a complete mess. As for Cars 2, well John Lasseter is an automobile nut (he was the one who wanted Planes to be released in theaters instead of direct to DVD) and I think he might have gotten too obsessed with how the cars looked at the expense of the story.

Apr 7 - 08:20 AM

Joseph Felton

Joseph Felton

Planes isn't being made by Pixar studios, its being made a disneytoons the ones who do all the disney sequels.

Apr 7 - 11:49 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Disney has nothing to with the Pixar sequels, so stop using them as your scapegoat. John Lassetter already made it clear that that POS Cars 2 movie of his was a personal project that HE wanted to do, & Disney had no involvement in it. And Steve Job had all the rights to Pixar's films, so he called the shots as to whether they would make a sequel/prequel or not to it. Since his death, whoever runs Pixar now can let whoever the hell they want give a sequel to whatever movie they want to (in which frankly none deserve save for Incredibles).

Apr 7 - 04:03 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Steve Jobs had the rights form Toy Story to Cars. Disney owned all Pixar movies after that.

Apr 7 - 04:40 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I don't consider The Croods upping thier game.

Apr 5 - 06:01 PM

Steven Potgeter

Steven Potgeter

I thought The Croods was great.

Apr 6 - 04:55 AM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Me too, better then ROTG.

Apr 8 - 05:37 AM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

The best news for me this week is Guillermo Del Toro's new movie casting. I love Chastain and Cumerbatch, so knowing they will be in it makes me even more pumped for it. Also the fact it's a ghost story, which I always am interested in checking out. And Del Toro is good with the genre(Devil's Backbone was fantastic).

Apr 5 - 06:03 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

Devil's Backbone was fantastic as was Pan's Labyrinth and Cronos but unfortunately he hasn't made a good movie in Hollywood yet.

Apr 5 - 07:48 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I loved Pan's Labyrinth as well. Have yet to see Cronos. He also produced the Spanish ghost story, The Orphanage, which was very good as well. He obviously knows the genre well, so I have high hopes for this new project.

Apr 5 - 09:10 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Hard to believe it's been five years since we've had a new Del Toro movie, so I'm glad he's lining them up at a faster pace.

"Ed Wood" is also the best film that Alexander/Karaszewski have made, so hopefully the symbiotic magic will be there, although I wish they were doing the reported "Addams Family" project instead.

Don't be so hard on Braaad. It's worth noting that Ayer's own script on "End of Watch" produced his fresh film, and since he's also writing this new one, it's much more promising. (I guess, I still haven't seen "End of Watch")

Nothing much else, but why do I suddenly hope Pixar will adapt "Slaughterhouse Five"?

Apr 5 - 06:07 PM

Jackson Eckert

Jackson Eckert

Because there's no Slaughterhouse One, Two, Three, or Four. Sounds like a slasher movie to me; a lot of blood and Vonneguts.

Apr 6 - 08:30 AM

Sean D.

Sean D

I chuckled at that last pun. Well done.

Apr 7 - 12:14 PM

Sean D.

Sean D

More Del Toro is never a bad thing. I would like to see a fresh retake on "Slaughterhouse Five" done well.

Apr 7 - 12:15 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I'd take any Vonnegut adaptation, but of course they're all difficult to pull off. I liked 1999's "Breakfast of Champions", though it's hated by most people.

Apr 7 - 04:13 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Lining them up hasn't been Del Toro's problem, actually making them and finishing them has. Love the guy, but getting a bit tired of hearing about projects he's attached to, only to hear how he's dropping out of them shortly after.

Apr 7 - 08:18 PM

King  S.

King Simba

He actually brought up that in an interview recently. He claimed that a lot of the time so many projects he signs up for get canned for one reason for another, which is why he attaches himself to so many films.

Apr 8 - 12:03 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I guess those five years were pretty much burnt up with his work on "Hobbit" and "Mountains of Madness". Still a shame.

Apr 8 - 05:21 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

We need Incredibles 2!

Apr 5 - 07:04 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

That one would make more sense than a Finding Nemo sequel.

Apr 5 - 07:24 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Incredibles 2 actually ended with a cliffhanger.

Apr 5 - 07:58 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

Exactly. Plus, they are super heroes. There is so much you can do with it. As for "Finding Dory"...oops, we lost another fish! C'mon Disney.

Apr 8 - 02:20 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

They're too lazy thinking of sequels for films that don't need it to consider a sequel for that one.

Apr 5 - 08:30 PM

Typhon

Typhon Q

I think that Incredibles would actually be a better franchise for Pixar than Cars.

Apr 5 - 10:06 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

Not with Disney in charge of Pixar. All we'll get is some watered-down awful sequel designed to sell toys. Look how weak Brave was. I can only think of how good the Brave concept would have been if Pixar made it, pre-Disney ownership.
As is, it's a soggy, weak, typical Disney movie with Pixar graphics and a good idea for a heroine.
The ship has sailed on an Incredibles sequel. No way in the world a Disney Pixar movie would deal with issues of suicide, unemployment, corporate/insurance exploitation of the elderly, etc.
Maybe they'll make a cutesy subplot about bears and fair maidens. That all would sell toys, right?

Apr 6 - 08:41 AM

Joseph Felton

Joseph Felton

Disney funded all their features and bought them at the time incredibles got released, they've made amazing movies since then.

Apr 7 - 11:51 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Exactly Joseph, Disney has been involved in Pixar in one way or another since the beginning and if Academy Award winner for Best Animated Picture Brave(Which 4 out of 5 critics liked btw) is the example you're using to show Disney's weakness...well, that pretty much speaks for itself.

Apr 7 - 08:23 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

They have How To Train Your Dragon 2 next year so I don't think there on a streak.

Apr 5 - 07:05 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

True. I just hope it measures up to the first film, which is one of my favorite animated films.

Apr 5 - 07:24 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

I think so too, Shrek 2 was as good as its predecessor, Kung Fu Panda 2 was pretty good and Madagascar 2 was better then its predecessor.

Apr 5 - 07:57 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

True. I just hope it measures up to the first film, which is one of my favorite animated films.

Apr 5 - 07:24 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

I think so too, Shrek 2 was as good as its predecessor, Kung Fu Panda 2 was pretty good and Madagascar 2 was better then its predecessor.

Apr 5 - 07:57 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

That one would make more sense than a Finding Nemo sequel.

Apr 5 - 07:24 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Incredibles 2 actually ended with a cliffhanger.

Apr 5 - 07:58 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

Exactly. Plus, they are super heroes. There is so much you can do with it. As for "Finding Dory"...oops, we lost another fish! C'mon Disney.

Apr 8 - 02:20 AM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

although I was a bit skeptical about Finding Nemo getting a sequel at first, I am still looking forward to seeing it since it is still Pixar, who is still one of the finest animation studios out there (I'm going to get a ton of hate for saying that since they are considered to be one of the "shittiest" companies that has ever lived aren't I?

Apr 5 - 07:39 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

I have never heard anything but praise for Pixar. Personally I think they are vastly overrated but not sure why you would say they are considered.

Apr 5 - 07:49 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

they are apparently considered to be the murderers of hand drawn animation even though they love and care a lot about hand drawn animation

Apr 5 - 08:01 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

it also doesn't help that a lot of people consider CGI films to be crappy junk food compared to the so called elegant hand drawn animation. Don't get me wrong I love hand drawn animation, I just don't like it when people judge an animated movie on its what animation style it uses rather than the story itself.

Apr 5 - 09:02 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I haven't heard that criticism in a looong time. I think most people are over it now.

Apr 5 - 09:08 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

They care about hand drawn animation? Really? So why haven't they made any effort to keep the medium alive?

Apr 7 - 04:20 PM

King  S.

King Simba

They have. John Lasseter was the one who reversed Disney's decision to stop making traditional animation and got them to re-hire much of the staff they had let go after Home on the Range bombed in order to make Winnie the Pooh and The Princess and the Frog. The trouble is neither of those films did as well as expected, which is why Disney decided to put their focus on CGI animated features instead. Also, John Lasseter is the one who oversaw the dubbing of Miyazaki's films for their release in the states.

In fact, most of the Pixar guys are huge fans of classic Disney and Miyazaki (something you can see in some of the references to those films they've put in their films, such as the toy Totoro in Toy Story 3 or the death of the villain in Up).

Apr 8 - 11:21 AM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

That whole "neither of those films did as well as expected" is a load of crackpot; those two films did well in the box office, especially The Princess & the Frog (Winnie the Pooh's problem was being put in competition with the LAST HARRY POTTER movie), but not as well as Disney WANTED them to do. Which in that case only tells me that they don't care about bringing the medium back because as Frisby/George has already pointed out, they only give a shit about money rather than what people truly think (just like Stuart Sneider who is currently running....ahem, ruining CartoonNetwork). Which then closes that. (and the fact that they changed my all-time favorite book by Anderson from being done in CG rather than 3D won't tell me otherwise)

And the fact that the guys working at Pixar are huge fans of classic Disney is irrelevant as to why they don't help 2D remain alive. And if it was relevant, they clearly aren't showing it.

Apr 8 - 05:22 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Disney didn't promote "Pooh" as well as their CGI films, but it's one of their best of recent years.

Apr 8 - 05:22 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

Did you seriously just use the "account name implies something about the user" argument? What are you 12 years old? And judging from your colorful use of vocabulary & writing, possibly so. Anyways, the last response was not designated to you, you fucking nimrod. But now that you responded, I don't care what you obey, it makes no difference to me. CGI animation is something I always have, & always WILL hate (with the minor exception of Tangled, because at least that one actually feels like a hand-drawn movie) with every fiber in my being. And just because you've got your panties in a bunch still doesn't change the facts; CGI is still a form of animation used to get easier money, & films like The Snow Queen, Horton Hears a Who, & the soon-to-be-ruined How the Grinch Stole Christmas are perfect examples; even King Simba has already pointed out that since Disney's last two hand-drawn movies didn't do so well in the box-office (even though they did), they continued on with CGI since that what will make more money towards stupid little kids.

P.S. Learn what a troll is.

Apr 10 - 04:26 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

Yep, definitely 12 years old. Listen kid, learn that posting a clusterfuck of cussing words doesn't make your 'argument' better or offensive, just makes you look more like some idiot. I'm done with you.

P.S. Just because you don't like hand drawn films or appreciate them doesn't mean you know better about a person because they don't like another form of animation.

Apr 10 - 10:59 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Troy

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/butthurt_report_form.jpg

Apr 10 - 11:04 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

have fun trying to convince that Frisby fellow about that. He will tear anything apart that isn't hand drawn. stop motion, fairy tales, or musicals. Because according to his bullshit law, you have to one of those mediums in order to be considered a great animated movie even if the story makes the Phantom Menace look like the Avengers.

Apr 6 - 12:31 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

You're just begging for me to tell you off, aren't you?

Apr 6 - 10:08 AM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

Del Toro hasn't made a good Hollywood film yet.

Apr 5 - 07:46 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Hellboy, Hellboy 2. Go troll somewhere else.

Apr 5 - 08:31 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

yeah . . . then there's Don't Be Afraid of the Dark, the worst piece of CRAP in Horror Movie History. At least Lucio Fulci's Quella Villa Accanto al Cimitero had more atmosphere and overall character. Del Toro should never be able to get behind a camera again after producing Don't Be Afraid of the Dark.

Apr 6 - 08:58 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

del Toro's exercise in shlock reminds me of House by the Cemetery hence the comparison.

Apr 6 - 09:00 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

First off, as bad as Don't be Afraid of the Dark was, the worst horror movie in history spot is already taken by House of the Dead or An American Haunting. Secondly Del Toro's only involvement in that movie was being the producer & screenwriter. No direction involvement did he have.

Apr 6 - 10:12 AM

Valmordas

Val Mordas

True, he did attach his name to it tho - and not in a subtle manner, more like a headline. Maybe he should have watched it first lol?

Apr 6 - 09:17 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

LOL, yes I am trolling because I think the Hellboys are not good movies. Is there anything worse than an idiot who starts calling people trolls for not liking shytty movies?

Apr 7 - 11:51 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

You mean like an idiot calling one of the best comic book adaptions a bad movie & can't even spell the word "shitty" properly? Yeah, sure there is.

Apr 7 - 02:17 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Val

Well, I'm assuming he didn't watch it either, otherwise he would have seen how bad that one really was.

Apr 7 - 04:00 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

Devil's Backbone was fantastic as was Pan's Labyrinth and Cronos but unfortunately he hasn't made a good movie in Hollywood yet.

Apr 5 - 07:48 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I loved Pan's Labyrinth as well. Have yet to see Cronos. He also produced the Spanish ghost story, The Orphanage, which was very good as well. He obviously knows the genre well, so I have high hopes for this new project.

Apr 5 - 09:10 PM

jimb14red

Michael Sullivan

I have never heard anything but praise for Pixar. Personally I think they are vastly overrated but not sure why you would say they are considered.

Apr 5 - 07:49 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

they are apparently considered to be the murderers of hand drawn animation even though they love and care a lot about hand drawn animation

Apr 5 - 08:01 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

it also doesn't help that a lot of people consider CGI films to be crappy junk food compared to the so called elegant hand drawn animation. Don't get me wrong I love hand drawn animation, I just don't like it when people judge an animated movie on its what animation style it uses rather than the story itself.

Apr 5 - 09:02 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I haven't heard that criticism in a looong time. I think most people are over it now.

Apr 5 - 09:08 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

They care about hand drawn animation? Really? So why haven't they made any effort to keep the medium alive?

Apr 7 - 04:20 PM

King  S.

King Simba

They have. John Lasseter was the one who reversed Disney's decision to stop making traditional animation and got them to re-hire much of the staff they had let go after Home on the Range bombed in order to make Winnie the Pooh and The Princess and the Frog. The trouble is neither of those films did as well as expected, which is why Disney decided to put their focus on CGI animated features instead. Also, John Lasseter is the one who oversaw the dubbing of Miyazaki's films for their release in the states.

In fact, most of the Pixar guys are huge fans of classic Disney and Miyazaki (something you can see in some of the references to those films they've put in their films, such as the toy Totoro in Toy Story 3 or the death of the villain in Up).

Apr 8 - 11:21 AM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

That whole "neither of those films did as well as expected" is a load of crackpot; those two films did well in the box office, especially The Princess & the Frog (Winnie the Pooh's problem was being put in competition with the LAST HARRY POTTER movie), but not as well as Disney WANTED them to do. Which in that case only tells me that they don't care about bringing the medium back because as Frisby/George has already pointed out, they only give a shit about money rather than what people truly think (just like Stuart Sneider who is currently running....ahem, ruining CartoonNetwork). Which then closes that. (and the fact that they changed my all-time favorite book by Anderson from being done in CG rather than 3D won't tell me otherwise)

And the fact that the guys working at Pixar are huge fans of classic Disney is irrelevant as to why they don't help 2D remain alive. And if it was relevant, they clearly aren't showing it.

Apr 8 - 05:22 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Disney didn't promote "Pooh" as well as their CGI films, but it's one of their best of recent years.

Apr 8 - 05:22 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

Did you seriously just use the "account name implies something about the user" argument? What are you 12 years old? And judging from your colorful use of vocabulary & writing, possibly so. Anyways, the last response was not designated to you, you fucking nimrod. But now that you responded, I don't care what you obey, it makes no difference to me. CGI animation is something I always have, & always WILL hate (with the minor exception of Tangled, because at least that one actually feels like a hand-drawn movie) with every fiber in my being. And just because you've got your panties in a bunch still doesn't change the facts; CGI is still a form of animation used to get easier money, & films like The Snow Queen, Horton Hears a Who, & the soon-to-be-ruined How the Grinch Stole Christmas are perfect examples; even King Simba has already pointed out that since Disney's last two hand-drawn movies didn't do so well in the box-office (even though they did), they continued on with CGI since that what will make more money towards stupid little kids.

P.S. Learn what a troll is.

Apr 10 - 04:26 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

Yep, definitely 12 years old. Listen kid, learn that posting a clusterfuck of cussing words doesn't make your 'argument' better or offensive, just makes you look more like some idiot. I'm done with you.

P.S. Just because you don't like hand drawn films or appreciate them doesn't mean you know better about a person because they don't like another form of animation.

Apr 10 - 10:59 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Troy

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/butthurt_report_form.jpg

Apr 10 - 11:04 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

have fun trying to convince that Frisby fellow about that. He will tear anything apart that isn't hand drawn. stop motion, fairy tales, or musicals. Because according to his bullshit law, you have to one of those mediums in order to be considered a great animated movie even if the story makes the Phantom Menace look like the Avengers.

Apr 6 - 12:31 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

You're just begging for me to tell you off, aren't you?

Apr 6 - 10:08 AM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

I think so too, Shrek 2 was as good as its predecessor, Kung Fu Panda 2 was pretty good and Madagascar 2 was better then its predecessor.

Apr 5 - 07:57 PM

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Incredibles 2 actually ended with a cliffhanger.

Apr 5 - 07:58 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

Exactly. Plus, they are super heroes. There is so much you can do with it. As for "Finding Dory"...oops, we lost another fish! C'mon Disney.

Apr 8 - 02:20 AM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

they are apparently considered to be the murderers of hand drawn animation even though they love and care a lot about hand drawn animation

Apr 5 - 08:01 PM

Troy Solomon

Troy Solomon

it also doesn't help that a lot of people consider CGI films to be crappy junk food compared to the so called elegant hand drawn animation. Don't get me wrong I love hand drawn animation, I just don't like it when people judge an animated movie on its what animation style it uses rather than the story itself.

Apr 5 - 09:02 PM

Bazooka Jew

Bazooka Jew

I haven't heard that criticism in a looong time. I think most people are over it now.

Apr 5 - 09:08 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

They care about hand drawn animation? Really? So why haven't they made any effort to keep the medium alive?

Apr 7 - 04:20 PM

King  S.

King Simba

They have. John Lasseter was the one who reversed Disney's decision to stop making traditional animation and got them to re-hire much of the staff they had let go after Home on the Range bombed in order to make Winnie the Pooh and The Princess and the Frog. The trouble is neither of those films did as well as expected, which is why Disney decided to put their focus on CGI animated features instead. Also, John Lasseter is the one who oversaw the dubbing of Miyazaki's films for their release in the states.

In fact, most of the Pixar guys are huge fans of classic Disney and Miyazaki (something you can see in some of the references to those films they've put in their films, such as the toy Totoro in Toy Story 3 or the death of the villain in Up).

Apr 8 - 11:21 AM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

That whole "neither of those films did as well as expected" is a load of crackpot; those two films did well in the box office, especially The Princess & the Frog (Winnie the Pooh's problem was being put in competition with the LAST HARRY POTTER movie), but not as well as Disney WANTED them to do. Which in that case only tells me that they don't care about bringing the medium back because as Frisby/George has already pointed out, they only give a shit about money rather than what people truly think (just like Stuart Sneider who is currently running....ahem, ruining CartoonNetwork). Which then closes that. (and the fact that they changed my all-time favorite book by Anderson from being done in CG rather than 3D won't tell me otherwise)

And the fact that the guys working at Pixar are huge fans of classic Disney is irrelevant as to why they don't help 2D remain alive. And if it was relevant, they clearly aren't showing it.

Apr 8 - 05:22 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Disney didn't promote "Pooh" as well as their CGI films, but it's one of their best of recent years.

Apr 8 - 05:22 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

Did you seriously just use the "account name implies something about the user" argument? What are you 12 years old? And judging from your colorful use of vocabulary & writing, possibly so. Anyways, the last response was not designated to you, you fucking nimrod. But now that you responded, I don't care what you obey, it makes no difference to me. CGI animation is something I always have, & always WILL hate (with the minor exception of Tangled, because at least that one actually feels like a hand-drawn movie) with every fiber in my being. And just because you've got your panties in a bunch still doesn't change the facts; CGI is still a form of animation used to get easier money, & films like The Snow Queen, Horton Hears a Who, & the soon-to-be-ruined How the Grinch Stole Christmas are perfect examples; even King Simba has already pointed out that since Disney's last two hand-drawn movies didn't do so well in the box-office (even though they did), they continued on with CGI since that what will make more money towards stupid little kids.

P.S. Learn what a troll is.

Apr 10 - 04:26 PM

MPreg-Lover

Fred Fredburger

Yep, definitely 12 years old. Listen kid, learn that posting a clusterfuck of cussing words doesn't make your 'argument' better or offensive, just makes you look more like some idiot. I'm done with you.

P.S. Just because you don't like hand drawn films or appreciate them doesn't mean you know better about a person because they don't like another form of animation.

Apr 10 - 10:59 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Troy

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/butthurt_report_form.jpg

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