[It] bungles key moments that have built-in dramatic weight from the book with ordinary staging and a breakneck pace. Many of the movies, including this one, have merely summarized the books rather than actually interpreting them.
How long did it take you to read the book?
How long did it take you to watch the movie?
Jul 15 - 03:20 PM
Obviously, these are different mediums with different requirements for storytelling, so I get your point. The fact remains: This is not a successful adaptation of the book because it fails to achieve a cohesive narrative. Read my review and the ensuing comments for more details.
Jul 15 - 03:39 PM
my 7 year old sister understood exactly
what was going on and she has seen all of the
movies and never read a single book..
it is a faithfull adaptation and if you don't
understand what's going on than either:
A)You're mentally retarded
B)You have missed any one of the movies
C)You didn't see the movie at all and you're making shit up to get it a bad rep
Jul 15 - 03:46 PM
Chill out. You obviously don't know how much importance contour and pacing have when telling a story. Eric wants his movies and stories to pass a certain set of standards. You just want JK Rowling to strap it on and put it in your butt. You should learn to relax. It'll hurt less.
Jul 16 - 01:56 AM
Eric is NOT implying, that he has no idea whats going on. He's implying that the movies cut out many details that were all the books . Many plot hole were created in the making of the movies. 1. Doby dieing in the movie doesn't really have that same felling, because you've only seen him in chamber of secrets( appears more in the books ).2.Cuts out most of Dumbledore back history (with his family and hunger for power).3. it cuts out why Neville becomes such a stronger character( or a bad ass). you should probably read the books so you get an idea of what he's getting at. P.S it will also prevent you from looking like a ignorant schmuck
Jul 21 - 08:34 AM
Interesting take on the movie, Eric. Unfortunately, a lot of adaptations face this problem--I love an adaptation that skews the original while still managing to capture its spirit. Azkaban did this very well. I'm still looking forward to seeing it, but it's nice to read a review that shows a different viewpoint.
Jul 15 - 04:34 PM
Thanks for the measured response, Linda. Interested to hear your take.
Jul 15 - 09:22 PM
Absolutely :) I probably won't be seeing it for a few weeks. I want to avoid the crowds.
Jul 15 - 11:23 PM
You are absolutely right about the movie. Do the people who haven't read the books, really understand whats going on? The movie leaves out a lot of the things that bring the book together. Also, their are mistakes in the movie. How did Luna get to Hogwarts? Why do the people who are hiding in the room of requirement, assemble in front of Snape and the Carrows? They bring his invisibity cloak back for the robbery and then act like it doesn't exist again. The movies called and the deathly hallows, well they never really mention the deathly hallows. Why have Harry say "Remus you son"? They never mention his son in the movies before or after that, why bother. After Harry kills Voldemort, no one says anything to him, except Hagrid, who just says his name. To me it's not that they leave out things, it's that some of the things they add, make little sense. The movies lack the heart that make the books great.
Jul 17 - 12:03 AM
And the fact that Harry doesn't even kill Voldemort... extremely unclimactic. Neville chops the snake in half and then he disintigrates? I thought it just makes him vulnerable to be killed when the holcrox's (however the hell that's spelled) are destroyed? Movie made no sense. J.K. Rowling is a Tolkien wannabe imo. And her STUPID British pride (only a brit can play my characters... fu Rowling and your lack of editing.
Jul 19 - 08:44 AM
The movies, in short, are a disgraceful representation on the greatness of the book. Too much to even discuss really.
Feb 12 - 07:00 AM
I completely agree with you. I am amazed that theses movies got such positive reviews when so many anchoring moment throughout were ignored. The final dialogue with Harry and voldemort one such example. The movies also ignored Rowlings description of all wizarding duels and effects. I can't understand how they got away with it. The movies were not at all how I pictured them from her books.
Feb 12 - 06:56 AM
As one person said, there is no logic on rotten tomatoes. If you don't like a popular movie, then you didn't understand it or you tried to be different on purpose. Most users are just idiots sitting behind their pc and thinking they have more knowledge than most, when in fact they are just following public opinion.
Sep 4 - 05:05 PM
Or he could of just not liked it, maybe because the film is incredibly overrated.
Apr 24 - 08:55 PM
I thought part 2 did a really good job of interpreting the book, probably more so than any previous movie.
This is a really good movie, that packs an emotional wallop.
Jul 15 - 03:22 PM
I think Part 1 (and Azkaban)did a great job interpreting the books into a visual medium, which is why Part 2 was so disappointing.
Jul 15 - 03:31 PM
Azkaban? heh...so what part did you like? the continuity destruction at the beginning when Harry is blatantly practicing magic in his room? the shrunken heads with their awful comedy (why the long face jokes)? toilet humor such as the minister of magic stepping in a pile of shit? i can go on and on...
Jul 15 - 03:36 PM
Azkaban was one of the best Potter movies yet because it wasn't a slave to its source material.
Jul 15 - 03:37 PM
Not to mention the fact that Cuaron is the best director the series has ever seen by a country mile
Jul 16 - 11:20 AM
I have enjoyed all the Potter films on some level. Obviously some more than others, though none have been great movies, just really good ones.
I think for some folks, it's hard to distance themselves from the books and completely see the movie on it's own terms for what it is.
If I want the books, I'll read them (and have many times) but I really looked forward to seeing the films and how they interpret the books.
Jul 15 - 03:49 PM
no man, the director changed too much to shorten the film, he wound up cutting the quality and accidentally or deliberately leaving a lot unexplained, i had to explain my friends after the day why harry was in the white station and why they were after that cup, they fail to explain everything! Hagrid not crying carrying harry's body, and the changed dialogues of characters like nevilla, ron amongst others was mediocre!
Jul 19 - 01:08 PM
didnt read this guy's review. the reality is that when you're in the 3% then you're a dumbass and don't know what you're talking about.
Jul 15 - 03:33 PM
The best way to refute somebody's opinion--> "If everyone else likes it, it must me good!" Thanks for not reading.
Jul 15 - 03:35 PM
It would be one thing if maybe 20% of the people didn't like it, but this is 97% positive - and it's really 98% because no one takes Armond White seriously. You're in such a low percentile. Usually people that far off have some sort of vendetta against a movie. I'll read it though and I'll comment in a moment, and I just know whatever your complaint is I will be able to counter.
Jul 15 - 03:38 PM
OK I read and watched your review. You didn't define any of your complaints, you just generalized what they were. You didn't mention any specific scenes that were rushed or missing, nor did you even praise some of the brilliant changes they made - such as the way Voldemort died once the snake was killed, rather than the absurdity of the hour-long monologue Harry gives right before Voldemort's spell rebounds on himself.
Jul 15 - 03:42 PM
Yes because subjectivity ends at 80%. Nutter.
Jul 15 - 03:48 PM
I hate Forrest Gump, that doesn't mean my opinion isn't valid. There is and never will be a movie where every single person likes it. Just because HP part II is at 97% (and I loved it btw) that doesn't mean Eric's opinion doesn't matter. Don't agree with it, fine... but don't call him a dumbass either.
Jul 16 - 02:29 PM
Oh no you don't, not giving you any clicks for your negative review for attention!
(Just joking of course ;-D )
I totally get that POV as well. If only I were so calculating. Technically, I posted my opinion of the movie Monday night after seeing it (and before most critics had weighed in) when I ranked the Harry Potter Films on the site. I'm really surprised to find so many critics falling in line for this film. I think its mainly goodwill towards the series in general and its positive messages, because many reviews still mention that much of it was underwhelming.
Yeah I think goodwill is a big factor. However, a lot of the critics are non-book readers and I think this film is more successful as a movie than an adaption. (That is why quite a few fans are voicing negative reviews, contrasting the unbelievable amount of positive reviews from critics).
Hitler was popular too.
you're telling me 98% of the world loved Hitler?
spare me pathetic attempts at comedy and/or cleverness.
if you think the RT critics community is somehow representative of "the world" you are sorely deluded.
Jul 15 - 03:47 PM
oh yeah 98% of critcs and 100% of top critics
are all falling into line to give this film
a positive review...
including the 93% rating from audience
AND the 87 (universal acclaim) from Metacritic
yeah it's just some other trend..
i'm sure your word means more than nearly 200 critics?
Jul 15 - 03:52 PM
you're the one who is making comparisons to RT reviews and Hitler's popularity, not me. Don't try to switch it around.
Jul 15 - 03:53 PM
plus fans are fickle like critics..
a lot of them don't understand that literature
and film are 2 different medians..
what works in a book could wind up being corny in a movie..
and the point of a movie is about a single plot..only a television show can have underlaying stories and such..
this is a great FILM..
isn't that what we wanted in the first place?
do people not like movies anymore?
Jul 15 - 03:57 PM
If you watch Triumph of the Will it sort of seems like they did.
Jul 16 - 02:31 PM
97% positive because of fanboys like you,97% positive is outrageous, but why explain a fool how much quality was lost from adapting book to movie. I hope someone really rants about this movie because the plot was changed and weakened! Supporting cast barely unexistent except for like 3 or 4 (and even those characters had barely minutes in the movie) rushed and badly organized!
Jul 19 - 01:13 PM
This excerpt sounds fair. I don't agree but, sounds fair.
It would be fair if he actually gives reason reasons for disliking it, but he didn't. There's no tangible reason in there. No mention of a specific scene he didn't like, plot point, change, etc.
Jul 15 - 03:43 PM
Maybe he should just copy/paste the plot outline from TheMovieSpoiler and work with that? Nobody's going to be upset that he's giving away the entire movie by talking about it... Give it a rest, ransom.
Jul 16 - 02:01 AM
Dude did you have to take away it's 98%
Even numbers rock
Jul 15 - 03:40 PM
Don't worry. One more rotten and it'll be 96%. :)
Jul 15 - 05:52 PM
OH NO. IF IT DROPS BELOW 4% I WON'T BE ABLE TO LIKE THIS MOVIE ANYMORE!
Jul 16 - 02:02 AM
@melineric. Fair point about all the good reviews signaling a sort of goodwill towards the franchise. However, I think the movie also happens to be a really rousing ending to the series, and a great adaptation of the novel. Combine those two points and that might help explain why the reviews are so universally positive.
I thought it was superb. There was just this sort of constant indescribable sense of emotion for me during the whole movie. Really great stuff.
I do agree that it is possible some critics gave it a positive review for those reasons. However, I also felt like it had everything people had been wanting in Harry Potter movies for years and this film delivered. Honestly, I think the only people that could possibly score this rotten are those that have hated every HP film.
DH2 reminds me of The Office Christmas special when compared to the other 12 episodes.
Great comment. Thanks for being fair. I wish I had that "constant indescribable sense of emotion" and frankly, I'm jealous that you did. I think a lot of book fans carry over that emotion into the movies.
Some scenes worked well, like Longbottom's big moment, but others (Voldemort vs. Harry) were such letdowns. After 8 movies, it comes to that? There were crickets in the theater -- no cheers at all after that -- so I know I'm not alone. I think after the opening weekend glow wears off, many will see this film for what it is: a mediocre summary of the events of half of the last book.
Jul 15 - 03:56 PM
Well Americans cheering/clapping in cinemas is a bit weird anyway...
Jul 15 - 04:06 PM
I kinda thought the final duel was a little bit of a letdown in the book, and it probably has to do with the fact that the emotional high of the story is quite s few scenes before the ultimate confrontation. Therefore I definitely came with baggage before seeing the film, and my expectations for the showdown, if it was to be faithful to the novel, were sedated a bit.
Jul 15 - 04:31 PM
I loved this movie, so many good scenes... but I must agree with you on the Harry vs. Voldemort. It started out good, but I hated how they ended it/ Voldemort's death. It was sort of a buzzkill... Still, I think that's minor, everything else was great.
Jul 15 - 04:58 PM
So... where's the movie review?
Good question. What I read and saw gave me no insight into the quality of the movie. It was just 20 seconds of a guy saying he didn't like it, without a single reason given.
Jul 15 - 03:54 PM
Watch/read the review, then read the comments. I only get a little over a minute on the news, but I expanded my thought in the comment section. If you're willing to have an adult conversation, I am too.
Jul 15 - 03:58 PM
I read everything you posted on that page. You talk about cramming but you didn't mention any scenes or moments.
Jul 15 - 04:12 PM
You expanded your thoughts in the comment section instead of explaining reasons in the original review? Forgive me, but it sounds as if you are building your review from fans who comment after seeing a low score on a magnificent movie; which is not so profesional.
Jul 15 - 04:28 PM
I'm with him a bit on Bellatrix vs Mrs. Weasley. It seemed very trite and only included because the audience expected it. Also felt way too many deaths occurred off screen.
Jul 17 - 03:58 PM
Purist critic? Disgusting.
Who cares? It's still 97...
Jul 15 - 03:59 PM
I'll read the review later and probably won't agree with much of it, but I want to thank you for being willing to interact with people about your opinions.
Jul 15 - 04:09 PM
I definitely thought this wasn't a faithful adaptation of the book, but it was a good one nontheless. The ending scene between Harry and Voldemort was a bit underwhelming. I went back and reread that last scene and the book was so much more epic and emotionally satisfying then the movie. However, I thought Yates and crew did a great job putting it onto the big screen. I understand where you're coming from with this review, but you still have to admit you enjoyed the movie, right?
Jul 15 - 04:11 PM
you can all whine about this guys review. He said, what he feels and pretty respectfully. Am I to understand that this movie is the greatest of all time? That no one can find any problems with it? That just makes me think if it was complete shit, you would all say it smells like roses still. Iā??ll give you guys a scene I thought was changed for no reason. The scene where Voldemort calls Harry out, one girl says grab him. In the movie what happens his girl friend sticks up for him, then a joke thatā??s not funny. The book had the school excluding one house standing up for him, showing that they were ready to fight for him. I feel like the movie took the action from the book and got rid of the emotion. Yeah when you see casualties you still feel(speaking of which Fred gets screwed ), but not at the level I would have. Oh but to ramsom you pole jockey look up tangible, then you can use it. At the end half of what I wanted to see was just the reaction of the fighters when it was finally over.
Jul 16 - 11:06 PM
What i think is that, You just want to be distinctive. thats why u wanted to rate it rotten otherwise you in your heart also know its brilliantly executed Job.
How can you rate it lower then X-men First Class and Thor or even so called Fast Five.
But you are failed to do so.
U are never going to be next Roger Ebert this way.
Jul 15 - 04:16 PM
I posted my opinion of the movie Monday night after seeing it (and before most critics had weighed in) when I ranked the Harry Potter Films on my website. Look it up. This is not a contrarian opinion just for the sake of it. Sorry.
Jul 15 - 09:27 PM
You Should be Ashamed to call yourself a Critic.
You don't have an appetite for movies.
Jul 16 - 09:18 AM
and By the way you were not that fast to give your review.
i read your Top 8 Harry Potter article and its so full of You-Know-What. You just cant put yourself in a character's shoes and think like him. And good thing about critics is that they just use twisting words and they are done they never really point out the real technical mistake or short coming a movie suffers. I bet you have very false reason to base on your rating.
And i really wish you could point out some mistakes or weakness in any department and have a debate with me on that.
i am so shocked that you don't like Goblet Of Fire which for me is 2nd Best Harry Potter Film after Azkaban.
Jul 16 - 09:38 AM
Yea, you should be ashamed of yourself for disagreeing. You should expect mediocrity and be happy with it. Don't think for yourself, agree with everyone, don't seek to learn the truth in your eyes, conform to common truth. What is wrong with people.
Jul 17 - 12:10 AM
Btw, I'm absolutely tickled that you've come on here to have a little discussion here. Even if you have to sift through some dumb comments.
Those comments are as dumb as his review/opinion. They have a right to leave their thought on this review if they wanted.
Jul 15 - 04:36 PM
We don't need to restate the rights on man on this comments page. I think we can all agree we know they exist.
Jul 15 - 04:40 PM
Yeah? Well that's just like. Your opinion, man.
Jul 15 - 07:05 PM
It's insulting that you gave this movie the same rating as Transformers 3 and Green Lantern.
Jul 15 - 04:35 PM
I'm really disappointed that the commenters here are getting so angry about this guy posting a negative review. He's obviously a fan of the series, or at least has given enough time to read the books, and from the review I read it seemed like his honest opinion on the film, not Armond White-esque trolling attempt to gain attention.
Really, if he doesn't like the movie, he doesn't like it, and at least he gave a fair review and isn't bashing everybody who though it was good. Sometimes a person just doesn't like a movie as much as you do guys, it's not some huge crime!
Jul 15 - 04:38 PM
It's the first time I see a critic replying back to people. You're actually much nicer than normal critics =P
Regardless of what you thought of the movie. If it wasn't for you, the rating would have been 100%. I think even 97% is a bit over the top. The audience rating was perfect.
Jul 15 - 04:46 PM
Actually, the movie was 97% before his review chimed in.
Jul 15 - 07:00 PM
Technically it was at 98%, and his brought it down to 97% again.
Jul 15 - 07:11 PM
That's mathematically impossible.
There are 211 reviews now, 6 are rotten which brings it to a 97% (211 x .97 = 204.67.. rounded up to 205 ...211 - 6 = 205) ...if his review was not counted, that would mean it would be 210 reviews in all, 5 of which would have been rotten. To have obtained a 98%, (210 x .98 = 205.8.. rounded up to 206), there would have had to have been 206 fresh reviews. Before him there were only 205. The meter was still at 97% even before his rotten review. That, and I checked yesterday before his review was in. :P
Jul 15 - 08:23 PM
No Rob P. You are wrong, it was at 98%
Plus 195 out of 200 is 97.5, rounding up that is 98%
So yeah. Owned.
Jul 16 - 03:52 AM
Rory.. Where are you getting 195 from? There were 210 reviews before this one popped up. Don't say owned until you l2simplemath.
Jul 16 - 03:36 PM
First we couldn't figure how caramel go into Caramilk. Now we can't figure out if its 97% or 98%. Can we get NASA on this?
Jul 21 - 09:08 AM
No Nick D. is right before his review came in this movie was at a 98%.
Jul 15 - 09:14 PM
Critical consensus is a dangerous thing. Don't worry so much about who likes what. My goal is to engage with the film and relay that in a personal way based on the knowledge I have of the medium and my own experiences in life. All I can do is offer an informed take and let you make up your own mind whether you should see it or not. I'm not telling anyone NOT to see it. There are plenty of people who will see what they want to see. I'm just being honest. Thanks for affording me the same respect I give to you. I am a huge movie fan just like you all are. When something doesn't click, I try to figure out why.
Jul 15 - 09:31 PM
I actually like the film more than the book, and it's the only film in the series where I feel that way.
Jul 15 - 05:01 PM
I completely respect your opinion (I'm a huge fan of the series) and I want to thank you for replying to comments :)
but I would like to ask you...did you not like the movie AT ALL? there were some amazing scenes like Snape's death and memories...
Jul 15 - 05:12 PM
I did like much of the film (and I especially liked the one before it). Snape's flashback was handled well, despite it being the most obvious piece of movie foreshadowing in recent history. The actors are uniformly excellent as well. I only gave it a minor negative rating.
Jul 15 - 09:35 PM
If it's any compensation, I don't understand why you're getting so much hate.. the movie was good but I agree with you on the pacing. Also the lack of what I believed to be crucial moments in the book made the movie that much less enjoyable to me. :/
Jul 15 - 05:22 PM
We are not alone!
How long will it take people to separate movies from books! They're not the same! Does movies say "adapted strictly from Rowlings book"? No, they say "BASED ON"
Aug 1 - 02:27 PM