he's calling spider-man silly when he created the most annoying character to ever be in a movie and a couple of robots that if you ask me seem pretty gay.
May 10 - 09:44 AM
I am in no way apologizing for the quality of the prequels, but let's face it, they all had more substance that Spiderman 3 had. Look at all the subtext and themes in them. There was way more thought put into them than Raimi and his team put into Spidey 3.
And the Life of Brian thing? Classic! That had me rolling!
May 10 - 10:02 AM
i haven't seen spidey 3 yet i'm seeing it tonight with my dad (that way i can see it for free), but from what i hear it's a waste of time.
star wars is my favorite epic trilogy of all time, and in terms of the prequels, i was in 6th grade when episode 1 came out 8 years ago, and i didnt really mind jar jar or shitty acting back then. now that i'm almost 20, i can see why they suck, but revenge of the sith was still awesome.
i dont think lucas really cares one way or the other about spiderman, someone asked him what he thought of the new one, he gave his honest opinion, then realized his episodes 1 and 2 weren't much better and was like...."hey, even the great spielberg made war of the worlds. we all have our flops"
May 10 - 10:21 AM
[b]Hey George your hair tonic is seeping into your br[/b]How could this ass clown Lucas who has made the most dissapointing silly movies (I am talking about the ones he's directed.. ep. 1,2,&3, Howard the Duck???!!!)call any movie silly and without a story.(I will give him a pass for episode 4 which was a fluke of nature) Lets break this down a little bit. tear away the special effects from Star Wars and what do you have. Not much of a story. I love the way Lucas defenders call anyone who likes spiderman movies fanboys. You have got to be the biggest fanboys in the world to even think that the prequels have any merit to them. Lucas is nothing but a political terd and if it wasn't for the fact that it is public that Raimi gave money to Bush's reelection then Lucas wouldn't have shot off at the mouth. After all he is the Liberal darling now of the media after his out of place remark in episode 3 pointing toward Bush. Don't forget too that he was at a political function so I guess he had to be cool for his buddys. Spiderman 3 was flawed compared to the originals but it is Citizen Kane next to Jar Jar Binks and that ilk.
May 10 - 11:08 AM
"it is public that Raimi gave money to Bush's reelection"
Raimi is a neo-con? DAMMIT...
May 10 - 11:39 AM
LOL. Yeah, as if Raimi's not already getting doused with enough haterade as it is, someone had to go and bring up him giving money to Bush's re-..."election".
May 10 - 03:06 PM
[b]Luke: I was going to get some POWER CONVERTERS!!![/b]The best Star Wars movies weren't touched by Lucas (Episode V and VI). The one's he touched and directed are cheesy as all get out. He has no right to criticize on that level. Its ridiculous that he publicly said that. If he was just screwing around and joking because he knows he can't write worth crap, then I take it back. I love fanboys (am one) and think it's time we all admit we're all fanboys of something. I can't dismiss Star Wars because I think it's ridiculous (please, admit the writing sucks) because of what it is: visionary. But seriously, Spiderman 3 is NOT that bad. People are just jaded b/c they were expecting something else.
May 10 - 12:04 PM
What's with all the hate toward Gone With the Wind? I can understand someone not liking it, but to call it a piece of crap? You need to seriously examine your credentials as a film lover. This is by any defination a masterful piece of filmmaking that has (and will) stand the test of time.
May 10 - 12:35 PM
Bashers who hate Star Wars Episode 1, 2, and 3 make your own stupid script. And let's stop it we hate Lucas because he has the money and some films that may be better than Star Wars are not talked about well here is the deal lets not blame him for diaglouge okay its stupid, next Jar-Jar oh my god basically that's what everyone hates about the prequels, and then of course Hayden Christenses he can't act well then go and audition or shut your mouths up there is no excuse to hate the prequels as much as everybody hates them.
May 10 - 12:37 PM
Uhm, okay. I think I saw you at the Star Wars premier a couple years ago. Weren't you the one getting yelled at by mall security b/c you were having your light saber fight in the parking lot? You were embarassing your children, man.
May 10 - 01:02 PM
First that was not me where the hell did you see this. I don't even have children.
May 10 - 01:31 PM
for God's sake man! when he says something like that you don't tell him you don't have children! that would atleast contradict certain stereotypes everyone has about a guy who uses "Obi-Wan Kenobi 10" as a nickname.
May 10 - 01:39 PM
Bro, I'm just giving you a hard time because I can tell you're a serious Star Wars fan. I did actually witness this, but if it was your I'd be very suprised. The stuff you and others have mentioned that Lucas has given us, I will not disagree with. The guys star rose in Hollywood at a time that was ripe for change. He has the rare gift of being a good business mind, and possessing a great imagination. Other than that, you'd be silly yourself to actually belieave that Lucas himself invented all those things himself. He also gave us a bunch of bad things, too. Ewoks, whiney Luke, Jar Jar, Howard the Duck, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, among other things. His business sense and imagination set him apart in Hollywood though. But he needs someone like Spielberg to actually TELL the story, because he acts like he's drunk, telling it to some drunk 4 year old.
May 10 - 01:46 PM
I agree he has given us some bad things but mostly good things.
May 10 - 01:51 PM
Here is my diss but I really don't mean it
When you referred to the 4-year old drunk was that you.
May 10 - 02:05 PM
The drunk 4 year old is how I think Lucas views the audience: incapable of understanding dialogue with general human complexities.
May 10 - 02:21 PM
[b]Contributions[/b]Here are the contributions Lucas has given us
Titaninc (ILM Part)
ILM- SO many movies
THe edit droid
And when you think about it our movie buisness would be back by about 10-20 years meaning we may had to have waited longer for movies like Spider-Man and Harry Potter, and LOTR, or if they came out by now we would not have the same enterainment that we do because of Lucas
Basically the point is that without Lucas we wouldn't have the entermaniment.
BTW when Star Wars came out the production companies were on the border line of being bankrupt.
May 10 - 01:03 PM
If Lucas hadn't CONTRIBUTED (as in NOT invented by himself), someone else would have.
Lucas did not change the world......The world changed Lucas.
And yes...I'll defend sp3 over ANY sw prequel ANY day.
Peter Parker as a character is infinitely more interesting than the piece of cardboard that was Anakin.
In fact, every damn character in the sw prequels was insanely shallow (and poorly acted) save obiwon.....maybe.
Lucas is NO master of subtlety.
Granted neither is Raimey, but SP is SUPPOSED to be a comic!!!
Lucas has tried to describe SW as an opera. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I guess he did succeed in one way there......operas are boring too.
May 10 - 03:05 PM
Really make your own SW movies then talk everyone is getting on my nerves it is okay to hate Lucas but still let's stopp critizing him over every little thing and finding every bad thing he says and expanding it.
May 10 - 03:34 PM
EPISODE III OWNS EVERYONE.
May 10 - 01:28 PM
[b]The Force is no longer with You Lucas...[/b]Ha... I agree with those who dislike Star Wars prequels as much as I do. I like Star Wars 4,5 & 6 very much.
IMO, when someone is already having so much fame & fortune (Lucas), his mind do have hard times in taking in new things. Thinking that the crappy 'romantic' dialogs and the Jar-Jar Binks character he created in the prequels is better than Spidey movies?
C'on Mr. George "Jar Jar Binks" Lucas, u've had ur times & u're rich enough, so jz go back to ur billion dollars mansion for retirement & pls don't make such silly comments & making a fool at urself.
May 10 - 01:29 PM
Anyone defending Spider-Man 3 against ANY of the star wars movies, prequels or otherwise, needs an MRI asap. Say what you want, all of Lucas' stories and characters do what they were designed to do. Binks was made to make little kids laugh. Raimi was making kids in my audience laugh too... but with Venom, "new goblin" (whatever the hell that is) and his "dramatic" scenes that wouldn't past muster for the final seasons of 90210.
May 10 - 02:29 PM
Riiiiiight. Have you even SEEN Star Wars? Or any of the Prequels?
May 10 - 02:42 PM
Give me a second. I'm trying to recollect after that stunning rebuttal.
May 10 - 03:32 PM
That's wasn't a rebuttal. A rebuttal is an argument usually used in a legal sense to rebuff or prove wrong. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong, since you're merely stating your opinion and that isn't necessarily WRONG, since you're entitled to it. I was just expressing my doubt that if you honestly think the writing in Spiderman 3 is cheesy and the writing in SW is not, I doubt you have even see the Star Wars movies. That's all. You may continue writing your opinions now.
May 11 - 08:03 AM
[b]star wars writing[/b]this is a rebuttal to the argument that the spiderman dialogue is cheesy and star wars is not. For proof postive on how cheesy the star wars dialogue is you need look no further than a couple of comments up at the actual Star Wars dialogue that has been posted. That cheese has been sent through the shredder.
May 11 - 03:01 PM
[b]OMG[/b]You know what? I just realized I've been defending George Lucas on this forum. Hot damn, I knew I hated Spiderman III but I think I've lost my mind. lol. I kid Raimi..
Nonetheless, Star Wars is still Lucas' vision despite whoever clocked in the scripts, and no, his resume doesn't magically render him above reproach. We can concede that he's done enough though to have the right to an opinion on Spiderman III. I mean, are we really arguing that point?!
Because the thing is, you don't need any special credentials to like or dislike a movie, and you certainly don't need a list of great achievements in Hollywood to come on a movie forum and post that opinion. That said, how is all the "go and make your own movie" talk at all relevant here?
Which brings me to my point. We may all be pushed into different corners of this debate, but the common denominator is.... yep, you guessed it, we all love movies. So when you strip away all the jargon, it rings loud that the only stupid thing any of us are doing here -yes, there's only one- is ripping on each other for being different.
May 10 - 03:31 PM
I may be the cause of go make your movie but everyone is hating SW1 yet if they made a script it may have been just as bad.
May 10 - 03:38 PM
Spiderman 3 didn't have no story it had too much story.
I still liked it though, it had its moments.
May 10 - 04:10 PM
I agree that Spiderman 3 sucked. As for his prequels, only episode 3 IMO was good. It's pretty bad that Spiderman 3 ended the way it did. The first movies in the new Superman and Batman films were way better (Superman Returns and Batman Begins).
May 10 - 05:51 PM
[b]I dont get it[/b]I never really saw all the hype about the Spiderman movies. I thought they were fun, entertaining, I liked the ensemble, but was never to excited either to watch them, or to have watched them. Yet, everyone seemed to think they were some sort of masterpieces. The first trailer for Spiderman 3 was so good, and I was so used to the ensemble, that I was actually excited for this one. Usually, the higher the expectations, the higher the disappointment, but no. I actually was satisfied. I enjoyed it more than the previous though I accept this one has dumber circumstances in general and the plotlines are less taken care of, in general. It still has more fun in it, more action and more of the enesemble that works, so I dont see why people LOVED the first ones, and HATED this one. They traded some situational quality which had never been impeccable, for more of what apparently had worked which for me was even welcomed. I think this movie could have been WAY better, yes, especially given all the material it had to make it better, but I also think the other less interesting ones (becaues they had less material to work with in themselves) could have been better. I say this is a decent flick, not great, but I don't see the "greatness" in the previous two either.
May 10 - 05:53 PM
Well, it's about time that Weinberg actually says something worth saying! Yes it is rather hypocritical of Lucas stating Spider-Man 3 as silly when Jar Jar and basically the Star Wars prequels altogether make Spider-Man 3 look great.
And where are these Indy 4 hints, not talking about Allen and Connery is a hint!?! False advertising! That just off sets my compliment to you, Weinberg.
May 10 - 06:13 PM
yes cuz you know the star wars movies, ecspecially the amazing prequels, are dramatic masterpeices that have 100 percent on the tomater and have the best acting and aren't silly one bit.............. aka george lucas is full of shit look at this rich bastard does he even know how to make movies....... no........ steven spielberg though a rich bastard knows how to make movies and uses his money for good movie use....... george lucas stopped trying in the 90s and we all know cuz of phantom meance which he was only doing for more money in my opinion......... the spider-man series is pretty good but even though spider-man 3 was enjoyable enough and fun to laugh at it's a horrible finish so they better make another one. If george lucas wants to go around discrimating other peoples movies like that then he truly is a dick that dosen't have any other ideas besides star wars and indiana jones and likes to compare his shitty movies........ next thing you know he's gonna make a harold the duck sequel.......
May 10 - 06:33 PM
This coming from a man who wrote the line, "are you an angel?"
May 10 - 07:13 PM
[b]great point tennisboygr[/b]Or how about this whopper of a line "Anakin I truly....deeply......love you.
Oh man I am going to puke! LMAO
May 10 - 07:20 PM
This conversation thread is becoming silly in itself. There is NO point for further debate. The Star Wars prequels were terribly cliched and poorly executed nonsense. I honestly believe that even die-hard fanboys deep down know this and will all one day face up to that fact.
On the other hand I don't understand why most on here are bagging the new Spiderman fick. I would not class myself as a Spidey fan boy in any way but thought it was a very good film. I thought Spiderman 2 wasn't very good at all where it seems most on here liked it... I am at odds here.
May 11 - 12:57 AM
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