Indy 4 reminded me a lot of The Phantom Menace.
The expectations that fans had was unreal.
Naturally both films were a let down for the diehards.
I actually enjoyed Indy 4 more than 2 or 3.
I'm not really a fan boy so I think I was able to watch it with more of an open mind.
It was a good movie, it was fun, it was cheesy. It was exactly what I wanted from Indy.
As for Phantom Menace. What was good besides Darth Maul?
Ten years later I still curse you Lucas for killing him off.
I hate you Lucas.
As for Indy 5?
I wouldn't be a big surprised if Indy went to Peru and ended up joining up with Brendan Frasier (Mummy 4). Then they can start a whole new franchise. Mummy/Indy.
They can shorten it to Mindy, Mummdy. Indummy. ????
I can see Lucas doing this. :(
Jan 11 - 08:47 AM
I agree with dj Mark's opinions on Indy 4. Except maybe I enjoyed it a little less.
The sad truth is that no Indy movie will top Raiders. But, I'd rather see another semi-medicore Indy than no Indy at all. With Dr. Jones, there'll always be something there that I'll enjoy.
I will always be thankful to George Lucas for giving me Star Wars when I was 6. But his writing and directing "decisions" do not seem geared towards my tastes (versus a 9-year-olds). Because of this, I concur with BUCK and others' notions of Mr. Lucas only being a producer (which I believe he is *very* good at). I feel that if others do the writing and directing of his ideas, then there's a better chance that it *will* be geared towards my tastes.
IMHO, I think the best decision regarding another Indy movie at this point would be to make it WITHOUT CGI. Put banter/story/character in the driver's seat again. The challenge has been issued.
Jan 11 - 09:00 AM
I'm all for more Indy movies, but I too feel like Lucas should keep his distance, and try to tone down the crazy ideas as much as possible. I think he had a lot more involvement in Indy 4 than he should have, his fingerprints are all over it. I'm still mad that he vetoed a script for the 4th movie by Frank Darabont that both Spielberg and Ford really liked. Although I enjoy Indy 4 to a certain degree, I see a lot of the same problems in it that I saw in the Star Wars prequels: an overreliance on green-screen sets and CGI effects, silly visual comedy, flat dialogue, and a general sense of disinterest and lack of focus from the actors, as if they aren't really enjoying themselves and don't know what they're supposed to be doing. These sort of flaws don't typically show up in Spielberg's films, though they were quite abundant in Lucas's last three movies. If the movie didn't have Spielberg's name on it, I'd swear it was Lucas that was sitting in the director's chair.
Jan 11 - 09:01 AM
i still think the third one is the best. but atleast in the next film they're bringing sean connery back. i hope indys son dies also. he was the worst part about the movie.
Jan 11 - 09:09 AM
How're they bringing Connery back? As far as I know he's still retired and as the movie's go it's been established he's dead.
Jan 11 - 10:47 AM
this should be classic...and not in a good way. Classic lucas in which its horrible WTF? dialogue and bad action coupled w/ extremely fake looking cgi. i actually hope Speilberg isn't involved and we all get to laugh our 2ss off at Lucas helming it alone. if Lucas were to drop out(hahahaaaaaa, yeah right) and give Spielberg full power...it could be a really good flick. if not, this franchise will get worse and worse. the next one will be really really bad, and god help us w/ the one after that. considering how bad Allen was(and was supposed to be awesome according to the nerd fans)...i don't even think Connery would save the day.
Jan 11 - 09:15 AM
The Indy flick I am interested in would be about his exploits in WWII. A crazy great idea I wondering about is, now that Lucas is all about the performance capture in "Avatar," could it be that he wants to make a younger Indy starring Harrison Ford but CGI? Could it be the next Star Wars films could feature the original cast but CGI?
Jan 11 - 09:57 AM
I thought that Indy 4 was only so-so. I only gave it 65%. The story line was weak, and totally unbelievable. Most of the movie was boring too. I also thought that Shia Lebouf's character was annoying, and that Karen Allen was given't much to do.I they want to make Indy 5, I suggest that they just stick to Nazis and religious relics, like Zeppelin407 says. Also having George Lucas involved only made Indy 4 seem worse. I think that they should let him have less creative control this time, and let the Indiana Jones series go out with a bang. IMHO
Jan 11 - 11:02 AM
LOL at the essays.
Anyway--the 4th one was mediocre and completely unnecessary. Hopefully the next one will be much better....doubtful but Im hoping.
Jan 11 - 11:09 AM
For the love of all that is good and decent in this world. No more, please, no more.
Jan 11 - 11:24 AM
I thought I was the only pi$$y queen on here.
Jan 11 - 11:46 AM
No. Just no.Even the third one was starting to go downhill, the fourth, I wish I could get my money and two hours back.
Jan 11 - 12:41 PM
I can understand how some fans see Mutt as the Indy's "Poochy" or "Elmo". He is kind of the obnoxious character that we're supposed to embrace because he hits all the formulaic beats. I think he'll still be a part of Indy 5, but they should hold him back more than the last outing. So what's this "outrageous" concept? They've gone from Nazis to aliens. Are dinosaurs next. I'm only half-kidding. With Lucas it's anybody's guess.
Jan 11 - 12:57 PM
As an action fan, the weakest link was # 3 since I felt the action scenes was forced and staged when other means could have been taken and the comedy scenes should've been more serious like the first two installments when in the first two Indy movies the comedy was somewhat 'sacrcastic' and on the third it was like one big routine after the next. Whenever Sean Connery sprouting out "Junior" to Harrison was very annoying to me!!!
And I agree that the Shia character might be the weakest thing for 'Crystal Skull' since I know people who just can't shake his perception or character from the Transformers movies! A big star starring in a big movie doesn't shake well with some people. I would've preferred another actor I never heard of but again Shia's role wasn't really major to begin with!!!!! They should just leave Shia at home (out of the picture altogether) in the next possible Indy film and just focus on the adventures of Harrison and Karen Allen.
While I have met with Christians who say that the plot involving aliens was idiotic to begin with , I tend to disagree since the Indy character never existed in the first place. Also, I like the notion of 'what used to be on here' had it not been covered up or deteriated by the sea. I like the question the movie asks about what we could've recovered or have found if it wasn't for the sea!! This is only in my opinion!!!!!
Jan 11 - 01:02 PM
Is it me, or does Shia act like he's a kid with a liter of cola (super troopers, comon!) afflicted with a bad case of A.D.D.?
Every movie, he's jumping all over the place. Oy!
Jan 11 - 02:08 PM
From the looks of things, I was in the tiny, tiny minority who thought Crystal Skull was kind of fun. There was some traditional Lucas-over-the-top nonsense, but all of the Indy films are over the top. Mayan alien helpers? Yes, that is out there. But so is a face-melting Ark of the Covenant, heart-pulling with hands, and a 1000 year old Templar Knight.
Jan 11 - 03:44 PM
No, I did like it somewhat. The first half was pretty good in fact. The motorcycle chase, the secret hangar, hell, even the russian fight scene before the nuke blast, all great. The plastic looking skull things, the addition of Marion and Mutt (assumably to bring closure to the character), not so well played out. The CGI monkeys, gag. I still liked it, but thought the ending was thrown together pretty cheesily though.
Jan 11 - 03:47 PM
That sums it up well. It had a fair dose of corniness, but it was fun. I liked Marion's return. The character of Mutt is -in theory- a good idea in my opinion. But I would have went with a different actor. Not sure who. Just not Shia. Maybe... I have no idea.
Jan 11 - 03:57 PM
Maybe Joseph Gordon-Levitt? But force him to put on some muscle.
Jan 11 - 03:58 PM
I enjoyed the first two Indy movies as well as the Crystal Skull with equal billing, it's the "Last Crusade" which doesn't belong to this series even though Alison Doody was nice to look at!!
Jan 11 - 04:07 PM
Can't wait for Indy 5, I'm glad I get to go on one more adventure with him. I don't care what anyone says, Crystal Skull was a great adventure movie and I can't wait for another one.
Actually, I really really liked Last Crusade. Ford and Connery had perfect chemistry as father son. Just too really good actors together. This is my second favorite behind Raiders. I put Raiders on equal footing with Jaws in my all time favorite list. Movies just-aren't-made this way anymore. Speilberg/Lucas at their hilt.
Jan 11 - 04:36 PM
I know other people who also liked "the Last Crusade" as well with the same reason as you have. But to me it's too comical and pretentious for my tastes, I guess it's because I can't relate to the Sean Connery's character in real life because if my dad ever called me "junior" after turning into an adult would drive me out of the house real quick!
Jan 11 - 05:09 PM
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