ROTTEN TOMATOES: Variety Says Iron Man Won't Fly; Favreau Says Otherwise Comments

Variety Says Iron Man Won't Fly; Favreau Says Otherwise

by Jen Yamato | September 15, 2007

Summary

Remember those awesome scenes of Iron Man flying through the air alongside a couple of fighter jets in the crowd-pleasing trailer first unveiled at Comic-Con? Don't count on seeing them in the finished film, Variety says. Back to Article

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zbbrox writes:
on Sep 18 2007 08:17 AM

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I agree on the new origin. The radioactive thing I appreciate on a slightly ironic 50's-send-up kinda way, but the genetic modification angle makes more sense. Well, depending on how you explain it--if the spiders were genetically engineered via direct manipulation of their genome in the embryonic stage, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they'd be able to pass on their powers, but if they were modified via gene therapy, then presumably they could have little nanocapsules still running through them which could presumably find their way into their venom and affect Petey somehow (hence giving him the same "super" powers they were given, but on a much larger scale). Still, y'know, science fiction, but a little closer to believability (obviously this'd be rpetty f'in advanced gene therapy, and the chances of it affecting a human beneficially are slim to nil, but, y'know).

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aknddon3 writes:
on Sep 18 2007 11:18 AM

Jacog you are a moron, first off MOST SPIDERS are venomous then you have to add in the radioactivity which would kill him too, common sense, something you lack. You are wrong, dead wrong, go drink a glass of water with that much radioactive materials in it and see how many types of cancer you get. So shut up you are wrong.

Nanotechnology, learn it, read the comics you are wrong again, moron.

Oh the 12 year old tries to call me a 12 year old that is funny, i understand you lack common sense and a brain but it is okay, you must be from hollywood.

OH MY GOD, DID I EVER SAY MUTATIONS DID NOT EXIST? NO I SAID US MUTATING INTO ANGELS AND **** DOES NOT AND WILL NEVER EXIST. Learn how to read little child, you are the reason why idiots should not be allowed to breed.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Sep 18 2007 11:20 AM

So once again Jacog is OWNED. Go back to grammar school little preteen loser.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Sep 18 2007 06:54 PM

Actually, akn, here's your own comment:

AKNDDON3 SAID:
"No, mutants do not exist and mutation will never cause humans to shoot lasers or grow angelic wings."

I agree with you that mutation won't give you supernatural abilities, but YES, you did say mutants do not exist.

Mutants and mutations DO exist. If you want a prime example of mutants and mutations in real life, you should look at the recent news story about nuclear testing in Russia and the mutations caused in the nearby villages. It's kinduva sad story.

To also correct your point about spiders, almost every spider carries some form of venom, so you are right in that sense...HOWEVER...most spiders in the world are harmless as the venom they carry causes nothing more than an irritated bump on a victim's skin. I've been bitten by several kinds of spider in my life from the common Wolf to a Black Widow and none have been fatal because a) the spider that bit had a weak venom or b) I was able to deal with the more dangerous bites with anti-venoms and immediate medical treatment.

But, no, Jacog is right: while most spiders are venomous, most are not FATALLY venomous, which I believe was his point.

If you were to add a slight trace of radioactivity to the bite, it's most likely that spider would be dead before it bit unless it was part of the spider's genetic make-up. If a radioactive spider were to bite a human being (for the sake of argument, let's be real about this), I doubt the microscopic trace of rads in the venom would do a whole lot of damage. It would also depend on the amount of rads injected into a human AND the type of radiation since there are several types of radiation existing in or on the planet.

There's also a difference between a miniscule amount of radiation delivered in a bite vs. a glass of water containing it.

And, as well, it would take a LONG time for you to die of cancer caused by radiation poisoning in water. Especially when alpha and beta/photon radiation is common in tiny traces. You could get cancer by drinking tons of it over the years but you'd be well into your old age by then and even then, you might not even get it.

That's all.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 12:39 AM

Natural mutants do not exist, a person born with six fingers are not mutants but genetic mistakes, so i am right and you are wrong.

P.S. You proved my point that you survived by seeking medical treatment something which peter did not do. Plus the same amount of radiation in a bite is worse then in a glass of water because the bite is automatically in your blood stream while there is a chance that the water radiation can take a while to be absorbed. So i am right again.

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jacog writes:
on Sep 19 2007 01:23 AM

Sickle Cell Anemia is a natural genetic mutation. It has some debilitating features, but in the end, it effectively renders someone who has it totally immune to malaria. Convenient I think. Mutation is totally natural.

aknddon3... I live in South Africa... we have hundreds of species of spider down here, and only three of them are actually venomous enough to kill a human (Black Widow, Sack Spider, Violin Spider). I too have been bitten by a number of them, and I have never suffered worse than an itchy rash. And no... since I know which ones are lethal, I did not seek medical attention. Your argument is invalid.

If the raditation did not kill the spider, why would it kill a human?

And I know what nanotechnology is... YOU should be the one looking it up. As for the comics... go read zbbrox's comment on page 3, he explains the pseudoscience in Iron Man nicely there.

Haha... it's silly arguing with you because I can tell you've reached a point where you realise you are wrong, but are just trying to salvage your ego.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 03:16 AM

Wait, wait, wait...what do you mean, "natural mutants do not exist"???

Natural mutation DOES exist.

A person born with six fingers might be a genetic mistake or a birth defect...but that's not what I'm talking about. We're talking about mutation and how it occurs. Mutation occurs naturally over time due to a change in genetic patterns due to copying errors or a natural adaptation or evolution to one's enviornment. An example of this would be the Belgian Blue cattle and how their muscular structure is different than other cattle due to a natural mutation in their genes.

Natural mutation in human beings is also existent in an enviornment where a secondary agent has been introduced into the enviornment...but the human body adapts and mutates to meet the demand of a brand-new enviornment.

None the less, natural mutation exists.

Yes, a bite IS absorbed into the bloodstream...but the amount and type of radiation (something you're overlooking) plays heavilly into your calculations. There are several types of radiation in this world and many of them are harmless types. There's radiation in dirt, water, microwaves, T.V.'s etc.

You aren't right because there's no such thing as a "radioactive spider". Even if there were, the amount of radiation injected into the bloodstream would most likely not be enough to wipe out a human being seeing as the traces of it are microscopic and dilluted. And again, you also don't know what type of radiation said insect was carrying.

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zbbrox writes:
on Sep 19 2007 05:28 AM

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aknddon3, seriously, chill out. You've been right about some stuff and wrong about some stuff, so there's no need to get an attitude.

First of all, as has been pointed out, natural mutants do exist. What exactly do you think the difference between a "mutant" and a "genetic mistake" is? Yes, birth defects can be caused by any number of things, but "genetic mistakes" *are* mutations. Whenever the genetic material of an organism's offspring contains traits not shared by the parent or parents, that is mutation. And it happens, naturally, all the time.

Also, I think it's been made clear that there is *no way* to know if this particular spider was poisonous enough to kill. As this was New York City, it seems unlikely. I've lived in the Northeastern US my whole life and I've never personally known someone to be bitten by a highly poisonous spider. I actually woke up this morning and my fiance was complaining of three spider bites, all of which itched but were in no way dangerous. And without knowing the size of the spider, it's venom capacity, and the real strength and type of the radiation that it was carrying, it's impossible to know just how dangerous that was. Recall the weeks that famously poisoned Russian spy, Litvinenko, lingered, and he was given very, very dangerous radioactive materials in fairly large doses. The spider-bite seems like less of a problem.

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jacog writes:
on Sep 19 2007 05:48 AM

Zaphod for president!

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aknddon3 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 12:35 PM

MORON, SICKLE CELL IS A DISEASE NOT A MUTATION YOU IDIOT.

No genetic mistakes are not mutations. And it makes sense why jacog is retarded, he is from South Africa.

So Zbbrox using your logic gays are mutants. Point and match i win and am right again, show a perosn with wings so me a MUTANT not a genetic mistake.

I love it, you losers are trying to rationalize a COMIC BOOK, anyone with common sense and a high school diploma would know that if you got bit by a radioactive spider you would die.

P.S. Many times in Spiderman they saw the radioactive material in his bloodstream so once again tobasscoman you are wrong

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 01:54 PM

Ok, Akn...it's obvious that you know little of what you speak.

Proof that sickle-cell disease was associated with a slight natural mutation of hemoglobin was published in 1949 by chemist, Linus Pauling and a few of his associates. So, yes, sickle cell is a disease but it's caused by a natural mutation of a specific protein within the human body. That's a natural mutation. That's PUBLISHED SCIENTIFIC FACT.

And if you say, "no, that's wrong", then not only are you being contrary just to be contrary, you're also calling known scientific fact a lie and telling everybody that grass is really pink instead of green.

Excuse me? Genetic mistakes ARE mutations! They're mutations of genetics and human DNA!

WE are trying to rationalize a comic book??? You started all this by trying to tell us that radioactive spider bites could kill a person! And, NO, if such a thing really WERE to exist, you may NOT die. I have a high school diploma AND a college degree and I know biology.

What you DO NOT REALIZE is:

1) that there are several types of radiation and not all types are dangerous but most of all,

2) A tiny spider injecting a microscopic trace of dilluted radioactive venom into a gigantic body mass (hundreds of times bigger than itself) will do next to NOTHING.

Your defense that "they saw the radioactive material in his bloodstream" means nothing. Why?

Because those scientist or doctors or whoever examined Peter...THEY DON'T EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD.

The fact that a radioactive spider "left traces" in Peter's blood is SCIENCE-FICTION.

If you want to speculate on what would happen if there WERE a real radioactive spider, then you need to study the effect of spider bites on a common human and do more studies on radioactivity as well as the types of it and the amount it would take to fatally poison a human being. Sorry, a spider couldn't do it alone. Many, yes, but not one.

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wordweaver writes:
on Sep 19 2007 02:01 PM

ummmmmm....WHO CARES? GET A LIFE PEOPLE...MOVE ON,

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zbbrox writes:
on Sep 19 2007 02:32 PM

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aknddon3, seriously, would you please just look up some of the things we're talking about in the dictionary?

I'll help: "Mutation", according to the American Heritage Dictionary: "3. Genetics a. A change of the DNA sequence within a gene or chromosome of an organism resulting in the creation of a new character or trait not found in the parental type."

Yes, sickle-cell anemia is a disease. However, it is a disease *caused by* a mutation. It is not a communicable disease, it's a genetic disorder. However, said "disorder" also has the benefit of rendering the sufferer immune from malaria--hey, almost like a super-power. Many disorders are caused by genetic mutation, including Down syndrome. They can also occasionally confer benefits--one mutation actually helps to protect the subject from AIDS, for example. While these are not as spectacular as the mutations in the comics, they are very real, and this is what "mutation" and "mutant" *actually mean*, not just what occurs in the comics.

Also, Jacog has shown a much better grasp of the subject matter we're discussing than you have thus far, calling him a retard really doesn't make you sound smarter. Quite the opposite, in fact. (This is a common logical fallacy called an ad hominem attack, y the way.)

As for gays being mutants, while recent research has definitely indicated that there is a genetic component to homosexuality, I've never seen any study on whether it has ever been the result of genetic mutation. It is far more likely that the genetic component is complex and expresses itself only in certain specific combinations. Straight people can have gay children and vice-versa for the same reason tall people can have short children and vice-versa--few observable, macroscopic traits are the result of a single gene.

And no one here is trying to rationalize Spider-Man by pointing out that a "radioactive spider" very well may not kill you. None of us thinks that such a spider would confer superpowers onto the victim, after all. The point, as far as I'm concerned, is that you have been rude, thick-headed, and arrogant in support of your factually refutable statements. We have told you exactly why being bitten by an irradiated spider probably wouldn't kill you, yet your only argument is "anyone with a high school diploma and common sense agrees with me!" (This is a kind of twisted combination of the logical fallacies known as the "appeal to authority" and the "appeal to the majority", not to mentions the argument "ad ignorantium")

Let me put this clearly, because this is the kind of thing that's important to know: In an argument, including this argument, making fun of someone doesn't prove you right. Saying "everyone agrees with me" doesn't make you right. Saying "anyone with a brain agrees with me" doesn't make you right. Even just insisting that you're right over and over again doesn't make you right. To prove you're right, you need to take premises we can all agree on, or you can provide evidence for, and extrapolate logically from them to prove your point. If you can't do that--and in this case it's clear that you can't--you should seriously consider the possibility that you're wrong.

In this case, you're wrong. There are "natural mutants" and a radioactive spider bite probably wouldn't kill you. These are simple, well-supported statements, and in the great scheme of things they're largely immaterial. Just chill out, accept you made a couple of mistakes, and move on, no one really cares. You shouldn't be ashamed of being wrong. Accusing someone of being a retard and then mocking their nationality, on the other hand...

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 03:12 PM

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Nicely said. :)

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aknddon3 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 04:00 PM

Wow the hypocrites show their colors, you say i have no evidence to say that a radioactive spider would kill you but you can automatically say that it would not? MAN YOU GUYS HAVE NO GRASP OF REALITY. So there are no natural mutants, a defect is not a mutation, that is science for you. You guys have yet to make any claims that are supported with facts, you need to learn what a fact is. So the ten year old south african, the 12 year old tobASScoman and you are in fact wrong AGAIN. God i love proving kids wrong.

So is someone actually going to try to prove me wrong?

P.S. Mutations are not the same things as diseases and genetic mistakes. Using your moronic logic and child that is born with a trait that the parents do not have would be considered a mutant. You are wrong, learn about genetics and basic science before you ever talk again.

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zbbrox writes:
on Sep 19 2007 04:19 PM

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Clearly, this has become pointless. We have cited to you the definition of the word mutant. We have cited studies on mutation causing disease. We have cited logic, reason, and evidence in many forms. If you don't agree with the standard English definition of "mutant", I suggest you formalize your own language so that those of us who *are* speaking English won't be confused by you. And if you are so certain that a radioactive spider would kill someone, please tell me why household spiders that are regularly bombarded with radiation from microwaves, televisions, and cell phones don't kill with every bite.

What a shame.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 05:03 PM

Akn, realistically, if you have studied science, tiny traces of radioactivity in a spider's venom would probably not kill you because a spider does not and would not have enough of it (theoretically) to kill a human which is hundreds of times larger than itself. It's just not scientifically feasible.

"So there are no natural mutants, a defect is not a mutation, that is science for you."

Wait, WHAT??? Have you been reading ANYTHING we've been saying? zbbrox has explained it to you! I explained it to you! Why do you insist on being contrary when you have nothing to back up your arguments? Natural mutation has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN. It was proven over 50 YEARS AGO.

Seriously. Have you not studied molecular biology or basic chemistry? Have you not heard of Linus Pauling? Have you not studied his discoveries in school? He PROVED that natural mutation existed in 1949. What other "fact" do you need? That IS a fact.

You know what? Here's ANOTHER fact, another article where natural mutation in human genes has been linked to obesity in humans. It's from the Harvard Gazzette:
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/1998/10.01/GeneDefectFound.html

That's ALSO "natural mutation". You're not only ignoring scientific fact, Akn, you're denying human nature and biology.

It's amazing to me that you choose to simply ignore what is said and just seek to reenforce that you're correct when you're not.

And, as I predicted, you resort to insults when you can't debate facts. Gee, I'm TobASScoman and I'm 12. Can't you say anything NEW? It's the crap every single time. And everybody's always "12" to you. Do you have some strange obsession with 12-year-olds that we're not aware of?

"Mutations are not the same things as diseases and genetic mistakes."

What do you think a genetic mistake IS? It's a mutation of a human genome.

Akn, I would LOVE for you to take your scientific knowledge to a group of scientists and tell them everything that you've told us. I don't know whether they would look at you funny or laugh at you but you might actually be educated by them.

"Using your moronic logic and child that is born with a trait that the parents do not have would be considered a mutant. You are wrong, learn about genetics and basic science before you ever talk again."

And zbbrox is correct. A child that is born with a trait that the parents do not have would be considered a mutant offspring.

It happens EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I hope you don't disagree with that asessment. I really don't. If you do, I really fear what your school is teaching you.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Sep 19 2007 05:35 PM

Have to correct myself for accuracy:

Hugo de Vries, a Dutch botanist, first discovered mutation of the genome in 1901. Pauling discovered the natural mutation of the human gene that lead to Sickle Cell Anemia. Since then, MILLIONS of natural biological mutations have been discovered in plants, animals, and human beings.

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Uradik Smoke writes:
on Sep 19 2007 07:27 PM

You are all seriously arguing over what can and cannot happen or be real or not real in COMIC BOOK MOVIES , everyone take a step back now and get an Efffffffffffffin grip ... Movies dont have to be real or realistic unless they are a documentary or based on a true story so all of your b*tching and arguning and commenting back and forth on who is right about what and who is not is so pointless and such a waste of time and energy ... Movies in general dont have to be realistic , especially movies based on comic books , so everyone relax ...

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zbbrox writes:
on Sep 19 2007 08:30 PM

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Actually, I think we all agree that pseudoscience is fine in comic book movies. We're arguing over what does and doesn't happen in real life.

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