Marvel Movie Madness! Part 30: Iron Man

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Part 30: Iron Man (2008, 94% @ 234 reviews)
Directed by Jon Faverau, starring Robert Downey Jr., Terrence Howard, Jeff Bridges, Gwyneth Paltrow

Tim: Hands down, Iron Man is my favorite Marvel movie. For me, Robert Downey Jr.'s performance as Tony Stark -- a cross between Steve Jobs and James Bond -- is pitch-perfect. He's a charming rogue with a conscience, someone who you can relate to and dream of being. (And unlike most wiseacre heroes, Tony Stark's witty bon mots seem to come more from the mouth of someone who's supremely self-confident -- not a screenwriter.) Downey's performance is the highlight, but Iron Man gets just about everything else right as well. Too many blockbusters feel the need to throw everything at the screen in clumps, but Iron Man is remarkably well-paced; it gives the story and its characters room to breathe, and its (admittedly awesome) special effects never overwhelm the narrative. The action sequences are stupendous, but never arbitrary -- this is a movie that trusts the audience will stay entertained without resorting to explosions every five minutes.

A lot of filmmakers seemed hamstrung by the wars in the Middle East, but Iron Man is one of the few films that successfully asked important questions about American foreign policy without resorting to didacticism or bludgeoning the audience with agitprop. At heart, Iron Man is the tale of a man who seems to really question his place in the world and use his energy and intellect to make things right. I love the scene where Tony is watching a news documentary on a terrorized Afghan village and immediately springs into action; who hasn't been weighted down by the struggles of decent people around the world? Who hasn't wished they could do something -- anything -- to make a difference? Fortunately, Iron Man leavens its geo-political commentary with plenty of good humor and some terrific musical cues (AC/DC's "Back in Black," Suicidal Tendencies' "Institutionalized"). It all adds up to a terrific good time, one of the best comic book adaptations ever.


Alex: 2008 was my favorite year for comic book movies. I think many would incline to agree. By then, the comic book movie industry was in full steam -- we've been watching a lot of superhero movies, with entire trilogies opened and closed. I look back in 2008 with particular fondness since, as the comic book movie threatened to fall into a pattern, two movies released which foresaw two different visions for the future of the genre: The Dark Knight (serious and elegant) and Iron Man (bright and zippy), with both telling their type of story to maximum effect.

The Iron Man movies challenge themselves to get by on the least amount of action possible, driving instead on its high-tech world and sheer cast charisma, especially and obviously Robert Downey Jr. I like Iron Man as middle age wish fulfillment cinema: There's something joyous in watching a dude (albeit a millionaire genius dude) come to the realization that, yes, he can fit into this world as a superhero. The action scenes exhibit a cool restraint, avoiding the showy flash that would obscure Iron Man's key simple fact: underneath all the armor is just a man who at last discovers his sense of peace and justice.

And the ending -- "I am Iron Man" -- is perfection.


Jeff: I think we're all at least a little ambivalent about the way Hollywood's gotten drunk on special effects over the last 10 to 15 years or so, but Iron Man is a great example of a movie that couldn't have been made before the CGI invasion. And we all would have been poorer for it -- this is a funny, exciting, effortlessly entertaining burst of superhero action.

Plenty of people had their doubts about Iron Man going in, and for good reason -- Tony Stark has been a Marvel keystone for decades, but he was never really absorbed into pop culture the way Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman were, and on top of that, Iron Man doesn't have the most cinema-ready villains. But as you pointed out, Alex, Iron Man is less dependent on big action set pieces than it is on human drama -- and it's carried by an absolutely stellar cast.

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Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

Now here's a MARVEL film I truly LOVE!!!! (Robert Downey, Jr. and Jeff Bridges are AWESOME!!!) and Iron Man's story was insightful and serendipitous. Gosh, what great movie.

Jul 15 - 02:01 PM

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Jul 18 - 06:31 PM

Cate Von Smith-Bauder

Cate Von Smith-Bauder

Here as well. I was amazed that I finally enjoyed a "superhero" movie. My boyfriend tricked me into going with him to see this one, after about 20 rejections of other "superhero" movies that he wanted to see, which, quite frankly, I hated.

But Ironman? Wow, pure jewel, and best of all, I have no idea why.

Maybe it was Downey JR's awesome acting, maybe it was Paltrow's kicking Loboutin's, I have no idea, but it definitely hyped me up to watch the sequel.

Aug 3 - 06:25 AM

zbbrox

First Last

HaHA, broke in before it got published up front. Nice. Extrapolating from previous URLs for the win.

Also, Iron Man is great, but everyone knew that already.

Jul 15 - 02:03 PM

zbbrox

First Last

Damn, by the time I'd read the article and posted my triumphant first post, I lost it. Well, at least I didn't call first like a lamer.

Jul 15 - 02:04 PM

Not L.

Not Likely

Even though you didn't type the word 'first', you still basically said it

Jul 18 - 08:23 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

HEAVY FREAKING METAL!!!!!!!!

(upon seeing IRON MAN, our son demanded we get him guitar lessons, we bought him an electric guitar and the guitar teacher was upset because all my son wanted to learn were the chords and riffs from BLACK SABBATH'S IRON MAN) . . . now he plays in a band.

BLACK SABBATH: We Sold Our Soul For Rockin Roll!!!!!

awesome lyrics.

I am Iron Man!
Has he lost his mind?
Can he see or is he blind?
Can he walk at all
Or if he moves will he fall?

Is he alive or dead?
Has he thoughts within his head
We'll just pass him there
Why should we even care?

He was turned to steel
In the great magnetic field
When he travelled time
For the future of mankind

Nobody wants him
He just stares at the world
Planning his vengeance
That he will soon unfold

Now the time is here
For Iron Man to spread fear
Vengeance from the grave
Kills the people he once saved

Nobody wants him
They just turn their heads
Nobody helps him
Now he has his revenge

Heavy boots of lead
Fills his victims full of dread
Running as fast as they can
Iron Man lives again!

Jul 15 - 02:10 PM

doomzdavo

Doomz Davo

You're kind of crazy!

Jul 15 - 08:52 PM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Kind of?..

Jul 16 - 03:15 PM

Manuel G.

Manuel Granados

It's quite ironic that the same guy who said Harry Potter invokes witchery sings to Black Sabbath.

Jul 16 - 12:06 AM

Hollywood Karma

kevinsmithsux Last

Bahahaha. I thought that as well.

Jul 17 - 07:05 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

lol!

Jul 17 - 10:00 AM

Captain Obvious

Aaron Hicks

I learned to read from Iron Man comics. Now I teach literature...I owe it all to Tony Stark. Seeing this on screen was literally a dream come true. I would have stood in line to see it even if it were truly awful. I was so pleased that it was an awesome piece of cinema. While the 2nd film was a step down from this one, I look forward to reading your review on Monday.

Jul 15 - 02:10 PM

Mr. Bo Ziffer

Arthur Grego

Great, fun movie. Robert Downey, Jr. kills it here.

I have this movie on DVD, and I was thinking of purchasing the Blu-Ray, but I've heard a lot of nasty feedback about the special effects looking TERRIBLE on Blu-Ray. Does anyone know if this is true?

Jul 15 - 02:14 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

The soundtrack to IRON MAN is AWESOME!!!

( I used to listen to this SUICIDAL TENANCIES song all the time when I was a kid) . . .

(people on these threads don't act like they are too interested in Punk Rock or Heavy Metal and that's a shame)

here was a Comic Boom movie TOTALLY SPORTING the best Heavy Metal and Punk tunes . . .


Sometimes I try to do things and it just doesn't work out the way I wanted to.
I get real frustrated and I try hard to do it and I take my time and it doesn't work out the way I wanted to.
It's like I concentrate real hard and it doesn't work out.
Everything I do and everything I try never turns out.
It's like I need time to figure these things out.
But there's always someone there going.

Hey Mike:
You know we've been noticing you've been having a lot of problems lately.
You know, maybe you should get away and maybe you should talk about it, maybe you'll feel a lot better

And I'm all like:
Oh nah it's ok you know I'll figure it out, just leave me alone I'll figure it out.
You know I'm just working on it by myself.

And they go:
Well you know if you want to talk about it I'll be here you know and you'll probably feel a lot better if you talk about it. So why don't you talk about it?

And I go:
No I don't want to I'm okay, I'll figure it out myself.
But they just keep bugging me and they just keep bugging me, and it builds up inside.

So you're gonna be institutionalized
You'll come out brainwashed with bloodshot eyes
You won't have anyting to say
They'll brainwash you until you see their way.

I'm not crazy - Institutionalized
You're the one that's crazy - Institutionalized
You're driving me crazy - Institutionalized
They stuck me in an institution,
Said it was the only solution,
to give me the needed professional help,
to protect me from the enemy - Myself
. . . end of part one

Jul 15 - 02:15 PM

Don Logan

David Kumpe

I appreciate the love you're showing for heavy metal and punk. Well played sir.

Jul 15 - 04:00 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

Awesome! I was a total ALIENATED YOUTH . . . and these songs and others spoke to me.

Jul 15 - 06:07 PM

bijio

biji badness

dude...you're cuckoo. totally batshit. you're going to become a legend on this website if you keep this up, though writing those long and often rambling posts (at least two a topic) must take a while. though with enough conviction - and yes, time - i'm sure you'll do it. shine on, you crazy diamond.

Jul 16 - 09:32 AM

Deanno

Dean Nelson

Fuck! I love that song!

Jul 17 - 01:25 AM

King Crunk

King Crunk

I enjoy this movie and think it is probably the best Marvel movie to date. That said, I find it to be a little overrated.

Jul 15 - 02:16 PM

NICK

NILAY NAYAK

dude........its perfectly rated

Jul 16 - 04:14 AM

rizzyh

rizzy h

Absolutely LOVED this movie!

From the trailers, it just looked like something that was written for Bruce Willis in the 90s that was finally being made with RDJ as the hero . . . . . but pretty soon it was obvious that any actor with lesser skill would've made the movie terrible . . . thankfully, RDJ made it fun, interesting, endearing, and damn near magical.

Jul 15 - 02:18 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

Magical? really?

Jul 15 - 03:09 PM

rizzyh

rizzy h

The scene where his mechanical robot hand reaches for his old reactor while Stark's dying after losing his new one is . . . . . just amazing and touching . . . . . at first i thought they were just gonna show how big his pain threshold is, but the direction they ended up taking it just made the movie for me.

Jul 15 - 07:09 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

FREAK YEAH . . . TOTAL ALIENATION!!!!!

SUICIDAL TENDENCIES . . . AWESOME.

(I think a lot of the people writing on these threads had normal, boring, uneventful lives) I relate a lot to Punk and Heavy Metal and am glad to see these songs in a mainstream film.

parte 2:

I was sitting in my room when my mom and my dad came in and they pulled up a chair and they sat down.
They go:
Mike, we need to talk to you.
And I go:
Okay what's the matter?
They go:
Me and your mom have been noticing lately that you've been having a lot of problems,
And you've been going off for no reason and we're afraid you're going to hurt somebody,
And we're afraid you're going to hurt yourself.
So we decided that it would be in you're best interest if we put you somewhere
Where you could get the help that you need.
And I go:
Wait, what are you talking about, WE decided!?
MY best interests?! How do you know what MY best interest is?
How can you say what MY best interest is? What are you trying to say, I'M crazy?
When I went to YOUR schools, I went to YOUR churches,
I went to YOUR institutional learning facilities?! So how can you say I'M crazy?

They say they're gonna fix my brain
Alleviate my suffering and my pain
But by the time they fix my head
Mentally I'll be dead

I'm not crazy - Institutionalized
You're the one who's crazy - Institutionalized
You're driving me crazy - Institutionalized
They stuck me in an institution,
Said it was the only solution,
to give me the needed professional help,
to protect me from the enemy - Myself

Doesn't matter, I'll probably get hit by a car anyways.

Jul 15 - 02:18 PM

ballermat982

Matthew Strehlow

Just my opinion, I think this movie is overrated. Everyone seems so awestruck at Downey's performance but I was only mildly entertained. Good movie, but I don't understand all the glamor it gets.

Jul 15 - 02:26 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

I am with you there Ballermat. Ironman is currently only $4.50 at Target and I still always walk by it. Same story with the 2nd Hulk movie to.

Jul 15 - 03:01 PM

Phillip K.

Phillip Kissell

I'm with you. I waited until I found a copy for $5 until I got it.

Jul 15 - 03:50 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

I also agree. The movie's OK. I rented it, and have had no desire to see it again. I also personally found Iron Man 2 more entertaining.
There was great potential in Iron Man, but it feels a bit superficial. It raises good points and messages, but it doesn't deliver on them emotionally. And the main villain and final battle are rather weak.
Iron Man 2 is not a good movie, no, but I did feel that there was an emotional core that's missing in Iron Man.

Jul 15 - 04:19 PM

drachedeeis

Mike Sch

everyone has their own likes and dislikes

Jul 15 - 06:20 PM

drachedeeis

Mike Sch

everyone has their own likes and dislikes

Jul 15 - 06:20 PM

NICK

NILAY NAYAK

it is one of the best superhero movies after dark knight.in my opinion unbreakable is the most overrated movie ever

Jul 16 - 04:16 AM

Linda B.

Linda Burke

Eh, it was okay. I enjoyed it enough, but I wouldn't watch it again.

Jul 16 - 12:00 PM

Anthony B.

Anthony Bois

This film is awesome, but I still think the best Marvel is Spiderman 2, and I think even the first one is better. Iron Man is excellent mainly thanks to Robert Downey Jr., Spiderman 1 and 2 are awesome as a whole, not only thanks to one actor. Just like the people who say that The Dark Knight is better than Burton ones. In The Dark Knight, The Joker is awesome. In Batman Returns, everything is awesome.

Jul 15 - 02:36 PM

Noah James

Noah Kinsey

COMPLETELY agree about Batman Returns. Amazing.

Jul 15 - 02:57 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

Spiderman 2 definitley has my vote for best Marvel movie thus far.

Jul 15 - 03:03 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

Agreed

Jul 15 - 05:31 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Ugh Batman returns is so much better than TDK, because at least Returns wasn't BORING, & it stood fictional (not none of that realistic or down to Earth bullshit). Sure TDK was true to the comics, comic-wise, but it didn't have the fun & adventure Batman had. And it's funny, I love how all the TDK fanboys bitch & whine about how Burton's Batman movies didn't stay closer to the source, when I don't hear them doing the same about how the shitty 70s Wonka film didn't stay true to it's own source.

Jul 15 - 04:13 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka is one of my favorite films of all time and outshine the Depp crapfest in everyway possible. I would say both films differ from the books a bit but 80-85% of the film is very accurate.

Jul 15 - 05:26 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

No, Depp's Wonka is still better

Jul 15 - 08:29 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

You are very alone in that opinion

Jul 15 - 09:03 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

No there are plenty others. I don't expect most of the Gene Wilder fanbase to agree with me that's for sure.

Jul 15 - 09:17 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

And we don't expect the Depp Wonka fanbase to agree with us because well, you've already made your feelings clear. Thanks for trolling.

Jul 16 - 06:57 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Bigbrother

I love how write I am

Jul 16 - 11:19 PM

NICK

NILAY NAYAK

i totally disagree.....dark knight is the best and the most mature superhero movie till date..i would have loved batman returns if would have been a 12 year old while watching it

Jul 16 - 04:20 AM

Noah James

Noah Kinsey

Here's the thing. For those who LOVE Wilder's version of Wonka HATED Burton's. This includes a lot of critics. I always thought it was ok. However, I love Burton's version. You know who else does? The writer of the book - since he hated Wilder's version because it was "too kiddie" and strayed away from the book by quite a large degree. The Burton version stays pretty close to the book. It boggle my mind to read many reviews ripping on it for that fact, when every other movie gets ripped if it ISN'T like the book.

Jul 16 - 11:57 AM

Linda B.

Linda Burke

Yeah, Dahl didn't like the original. However...he did write the screenplay, so I'm not sure why he would complain about it straying from the book.

Jul 16 - 12:01 PM

Noah James

Noah Kinsey

Oops! I responded on the wrong thing: You are right, he did write it - however, it was tweaked with things that he didn't sign off on - to the point where he disowned that movie quite publically.

Jul 16 - 12:25 PM

Linda B.

Linda Burke

Ah, I see :)

Jul 16 - 12:34 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

And what does that have to do with anything. You know what other writer disowned a film version of his story, Steven King. The movie: The Shining. 1971 Willy Wonka is a classic 2005 Charlie is a forgettable waste. END of Discussion.

Jul 16 - 05:48 PM

Noah James

Noah Kinsey

Wow. That was rude and unneeded. Glad you loved Wilder's Wonka, but other people have different opinions. Was I putting you down for yours? Nope.

Jul 17 - 08:31 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

The other reason Dahl hated the old one was because of how little they focused on the Wonka character. I love Dahl's hatred towards the movie, but I hate it more (only God knows much hate I have towards the 70s Wonka film)

Jul 17 - 06:32 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Lina B.

Dahl knew the scenes from the book he cut out would look like shit in the time, so, he removed them.

Jul 17 - 06:33 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@stainslaved

You're on some good cocaine.

Jul 17 - 06:34 PM

Manuel G.

Manuel Granados

A Clockwork orange's author didn't like Kubrick's version either. And we know how that turned out.

Jul 17 - 10:07 PM

Justin D.

Justin D.

I was never a fan of either Wonka stories, but it's fascinating to see the passion people have for either of them. While I found the original dull (though blindingly colorful), the new one was just another example of how far Tim Burton has fallen. Anyway, that's just me and I only chimed in because I wanted to belong lol. Back to Iron Man!

Jul 18 - 08:40 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Manuel G.

Didn't read the book nor get to watch the entire movie, so, I shouldn't really care.

Jul 18 - 12:33 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@Justin D.

No if Tim Burton began to fall, he began to fall after Sweeney Todd (not that his movies were terrible or bad after that one)

Jul 18 - 12:34 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

@Noah James hehe Lawrence Tierney isn't my icon for nothing

@SteveSapphire I have bad news for you Tim Burton is already partnered with Helena Bonham Carter. I'm afraid you'll have to lust after another director.

Jul 18 - 06:09 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Sorry, but I only like women. And what idiot told you I lusted for Burton?

Jul 18 - 07:31 PM

Manuel G.

Manuel Granados

You should watch the entire movie since it's one of those iconic movies that really stood apart in its time and keeps standing apart from other movies.

Jul 19 - 12:12 AM

rizzyh

rizzy h

@Anthony: Ummm . . . . . No. I think you may be looking at your Bat films through rosy, Nostalgia covered glasses. Truth is, batman returns was the one where the portrayal of the villain(s) was the only good thing about the movie. At least TDK talked about what a man dressed as a bat and taking the law into his own hands goes through in the public eye . . . . only to accept his role as the villain when he realizes that it's the only way he can keep doing his job. . . . . In Batman Returns, in the eyes of the public, he's just a straight up villain at worst and an incompetent novice at best . . . . and Burton just left it at that, an error made even worse by the fact that he didn't get to redeem him in a Batman 3. . . . .And despite ending the first movie on a note where the people of gotham genuinely respected and admired him, Batman returns had him kill clowns for no reason, had people believe he killed the ice princess, drive his car through god knows how many civilian vehicles . . . . oh . . . and lets not forget put the final nail in the coffin when it came to dealing with Catwoman . . . . further fucking her up to a point where even she saw no difference between him and shreck or penguin . . . .leaving her with nothing left to do but kill herself. So yeah, compared to TDK, i can definitely see how saving a friend's family and then destroying your reputation to preserve another friend's legacy is just dumb when you could've just unintentionally gotten framed for murder, unintentionally destroyed dozens of cars, not to mention unintentionally driven your screwed up lover over the edge . . . . . all without showing even a hint of remorse at the end or even considering the repercussions of not ONE soul in gotham trusting or believing in him anymore. . . . . The ONLY thing good about "Returns" was the way the actors played the villains. TDK is the first time his character has been written to act like a real-life hero (not a comic book one) . . . . but ever since Ledger started getting all the acting awards, people assume Bats was written to be a ginormous pussy who was always one step behind the villains at every turn, not catching up until the very end . . . . . kinda like the way batman was ACTUALLY written in Returns.

Jul 15 - 07:41 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

All this because anthony likes batman returns better than dark knight? How dare he right rizz? Its Ritalin time.

Jul 15 - 11:07 PM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Yes, how dare he indeed. Returns was a fucking cartoon compared to TDK.

Jul 16 - 03:21 PM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Batman Returns better than TDK? This site fucking scares me sometimes. lol.

Jul 16 - 03:25 PM

Dave J

Dave J

How do you figure "Matanuki"- that one scene when the girl fell from the building and Batman saving her was identical to every super hero film cliche anyone had ever saw, started from the very first Superman movie directed by Donner, when Lois fell from the sky and Supe saves her!

Jul 19 - 04:31 PM

NICK

NILAY NAYAK

rizzy....if there had been a like tab...i would have clickedit a thousand times

Jul 16 - 04:23 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

His outrage is warranted. I'm not one to begrudge a man his opinion, but sweet Jesus! Batman Returns a better film than The Dark Knight?! Not in a million years.

Jul 16 - 03:23 PM

rizzyh

rizzy h

Outrage? . . . . crap. . . .my capitalization for emphasis came off as me shouting again, didn't it? . . . . . damn, i hate it when that happens! :-)

Jul 16 - 04:18 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

@Matanuki - Outraged because of someone elses opinion is never warranted. Its an opinion. Anthony liking Returns over Dark Knight will not make Rizz like Dark Knight any less so why be outraged about it? The notion that if someone doesnt agree with another on a certain movie warrants outrage is silly to me. Some of the people who helped Avatar get close to 3 billion dollars cant believe how and why I hate Avatar but I do. I Love Batman Begins way more than the Dark Knight. In fact I usually take out the dark knight DVD after the Joker blows up the hospital because Two-Face was butchered in my opinion. Anton Chigurhs character was more Twoface than the winy oh Rachel is dead TwoFace performed by Eckhart. Rizz is wrong about how Batman treated Catwoman in returns. When bruce found out Selina was catwoman at the party he didnt throw another punch at her for the rest of the movie. Later on he took off his mask in front of her willing to give it all up if she would be with him. After she electrocuted Max batman went digging trying to find her not caring if he might get electrocuted or not. So when Rizz says that "batman doesnt show even a hint of remorse at the end" its simply BS. Rizz says that batman in BR is an incompetent novice. In Begins bruce has no problem tracking down whomever he wants to, a year later with a years experience he suddenly has trouble tracking down the joker? What i just did there was nitpick which anyone can do to any movie. I can write something longer nitpicking dark knight than what rizz wrote about BR. I love Batman Returns and Dark Knight. Ironically I like both of their predecessors way more. Out of all the batman movies that have ever been made- the 1989 film is still my favorite. If someone has a fit because they feel that it should be the dark knight then they need Ritalin.

Jul 17 - 12:01 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

@ALgreen

you sir, deserve a medal

Jul 17 - 07:07 PM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Winy, Al? Really?... You know I love some of the attitudes on here. Someone grieves the suddenly loss of their beloved and they're considered "winy". This particular someone grieves by going on a killing spree after, not only losing his girl but half of his fucking face as well as his career and somehow his response is ..."winy". lol.

Jul 20 - 04:22 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Al might wanna try Ritalin himself, Steve. Just look at the post. Burton's Returns is a mad man's vision of Batman's world. While Nolan's TDK is a vision of Batman's world in which mad men thrive. An important difference.

Jul 20 - 04:36 AM

ALgreen99

AL Green

Yes he was winy. Its like dude just flip your coin shoot and kill, dont give people a speech about rachel, or ask maroni if he loves his wife, or say to Ramirez ((did gordons wife believe you? thats cause she trusts you, like Rachel trusted you) waaahh waaaah. Trying to get people to feel bad for him before he either shoots them or punchs them was corny to me. As for his face - do not use the (half his face being blown off) excuse as if he did not know the risk of the job. He was overly winy when he was holding gordons son talking about (why am I the only one who lost something!!!? waaah waaah) Its like dude seriously, either shoot or dont shoot after you flip that coin and get it over with or just go home and pop in a netflix movie. The take on Twoface coming right after the incredible take on the joker high lighted his corniness even more. Twoface in the dark knight did nothing for me and I thought he was extremly winy and corny before any coin flip. That is my opinion. And please dont end anything with "lol" - this is the first time we are in disagreement. Its very interesting.

Jul 20 - 06:04 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Joseph Campbell would be shaking his head at your post, Al. He is not whining. He is throwing their guilt in their faces. You're better than this, grasshopper.

Jul 20 - 06:12 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

By the way, Al. Don't take my jibes too seriously. I'm just fucking with you. ;-)

Jul 20 - 06:44 AM

ALgreen99

AL Green

Oh of course, Im definitely not taking the jibes from a guy I agree with 99.9 percent of the time personally. If Two face was in front of me Id say dude can you just kill me? I dont wanna hear about ummmm oh ya Rachel. I loved how the joker didnt remember her name in the hospital (^_^)

Jul 20 - 10:25 PM

Anthony B.

Anthony Bois

@ Rizzyh : Hem... you have to understand that I do love The Dark Knight. It's just that when I'm watching it I feel like watching a CSI episode which is way too long. Returns is a super hero movie, with amazing characters, and a great sense of fantasy. And Gotham City under the snow really made me dream. In TDK, it's a police investigation (in a kind of Manhattan look-alike without any soul), with lawyers, policemen, questionning, bank assaut and James Bond gadgets. No Batman gadgets, but cellulars, satellites, etc. It's just not what I call comic-based movie. But it's only my opinion. I respect yours, it's maybe a generation thing.

Jul 16 - 01:37 PM

Lion O

Larry Oliver

That's just the thing; Tim Burton's Batman films, like the majority of his filmography is a costume and set designer's dream. His movies look wonderful, but they have no decent sense of pacing or dramatic arc to them. At 18, 19, 20, his films looked good; in retrospect, they are dour and cynical. The characters are filled with neuroses that that comic book counterparts don't have. Bruce Wayne, as portrayed by Keaton is just some depressed brooder who sits in the dark of his mansion, waiting for the bat-signal; Penguin is a pervert; Catwoman is schizo.
With Nolan, we get extremely competent people, both good and evil...they all have goals, plans, and reasons for their action (except for the Joker, of course). The plots are complicated, but at least there is a thrust to the action and you actually care about Batman and his allies. Gotham is not just anonymous dweebs running from danger, but a living, breathing city. INstead of ridiculously baroque architecture, you've got actually location shots. Imagine that

Jul 16 - 03:37 PM

Lion O

Larry Oliver

That's just the thing; Tim Burton's Batman films, like the majority of his filmography is a costume and set designer's dream. His movies look wonderful, but they have no decent sense of pacing or dramatic arc to them. At 18, 19, 20, his films looked good; in retrospect, they are dour and cynical. The characters are filled with neuroses that that comic book counterparts don't have. Bruce Wayne, as portrayed by Keaton is just some depressed brooder who sits in the dark of his mansion, waiting for the bat-signal; Penguin is a pervert; Catwoman is schizo.
With Nolan, we get extremely competent people, both good and evil...they all have goals, plans, and reasons for their action (except for the Joker, of course). The plots are complicated, but at least there is a thrust to the action and you actually care about Batman and his allies. Gotham is not just anonymous dweebs running from danger, but a living, breathing city. INstead of ridiculously baroque architecture, you've got actually location shots. Imagine that

Jul 16 - 03:39 PM

rizzyh

rizzy h

I respect your opinion as well, anthony! And I also think Returns is one bad ass comic book film, definitely one of the best sequels ever made (for the same reasons you just mentioned). . . . . despite some of its flaws pertaining to the characterization of batman as a public figure, i think the villains were written, acted and portrayed VERY beautifully!

Jul 16 - 04:23 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Devito's Penguin ruined Returns for me and I blame it for paving the way for convincing Shumaker that his craptacular entries in the series could succeed.

Jul 16 - 07:04 PM

Tridus

Chris Eaton

That's kind of the point. What makes TDK so good to so many people is that it's NOT a "comic book movie" in the way people expect a comic book movie.

It's a movie that happens to have some comic book characters. Big difference. If you go into it expecting a "comic book movie", you'll be disappointed.

Jul 17 - 04:58 PM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Are you kidding? TDK is light years better than Batman Returns. And not just because of The Joker. Please be kidding.

Jul 16 - 03:18 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

That poster is just a Tim Burton fanatic and everything Burton does is simple gold in their eyes. Wasn't this thread supposed to be about F#&!ing Iron Man?

Jul 16 - 05:58 PM

Anthony B.

Anthony Bois

@Matanuki : No I'm not kidding, for the reasons I expressed before, I still prefer Batman or Batman Returns than TDK. But don't worry, life goes on, just chill.

Jul 17 - 02:42 AM

Anthony B.

Anthony Bois

@Stainslaved : I'm not a Burton fanatic as you wrote. I was a bit disappointed by his Planet Of The Apes, and I haven't even seen Alice, Ed Wood, Barber, and lots more. I'm just saying he did an excellent job with both Batman he directed. And if you take a look at my first comment, I do talk about Iron Man. I just said something about TDK that made people going crazy as f**k. Who is the fanatic now ?

Jul 17 - 02:46 AM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

@Anthony, apologies I was actually referring to SteveSapphire, the poster I was having banter with about Willy Wonka vs. Charlie. I'll try to be more careful when posting.

Jul 17 - 08:27 AM

Anthony B.

Anthony Bois

No problem, I thought you were referring to the both of us actually. About Wilder's Wonka I was too young when I watched it for the last time so I won't say which one is the best, although I know it's a classic for lots of people, including actors (frequently in their top 5).

Jul 17 - 09:52 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

I don't need the pep talk. I'm just sayin. Yikes, man. Here's my complaint about Returns. Burton's vision lacks, well, vision. Penguin doesn't even have his own identity in this film. He is just a continuation of the Joker from the first movie, all the way down to his carbon copy henchmen. The best thing about the film was Catwoman.

Jul 20 - 04:24 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

I"m certainly no fanatic. I just appreciate good work, and I like what I like. If Nolan drops the ball with Bane, I'll come down on him the same way I did Raimi when he fucked up Venom. The odds however of Nolan doing that are slim.

Jul 20 - 04:28 AM

jrod1978

jarrod taylor

Alex you nailed it. 2008 was a banner year for comic-book movies. Iron Man and The Dark Knight were both very good and entertaining with very different tones.
You can probably tell by my profile pic which one I liked better but I'm not here to bash. Iron Man was great and serves as blueprint on how it should be done.

Jul 15 - 02:52 PM

Larry C.

Larry Cunningham

This was GREAT! It was the little things that make this movie so good. RDJ IS Tony Stark. From his look to his swag! Gweneth Paltrow and Jeff Bridges were picture perfect as well. The CGI really was complimentary and not front and center. That to me is what made it so good.

Honestly, can you imagine any one else playing Tony Stark, now? I get mad watching the Avengers cartoon because he doesn't sound enough like RDJ! lol

Jul 15 - 02:53 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

Stone me now. I did not enjoy this movie.

Jul 15 - 02:53 PM

misterkyle1901

kyle T

I really didn't like it at first. Any scene Downey is speaking, I liked. The rest, ehhh not so much. But after a second viewing on Netflix, I like it a lot more... I suggest this (and it actually works for a lot of movies)--watch it in two parts. I know that sounds weird but you'll notice how engaging Downey is and you'll appreciate the gleeful tone of the movie (you can tall Favreau is a fan of the character) without being annoyed by it. First viewing I would have said 5/10. After a second viewing I give it a 7/10. I feel the same way about Iron Man 2 as well.

Jul 15 - 05:58 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

You know what? I will try it again. Enough of my friends own it so Ill borrow it from someone to see.

Jul 15 - 07:44 PM

Noah James

Noah Kinsey

And if you se it and don't like it, that's totally cool. Diff'rent strokes, you know? Even if you don't like it, I think you'll agree it's a well-made movie where the cast and crew really gave their all. Not a lot of movies can say that.

Jul 16 - 11:09 AM

Wisenheimer

Joshua Dinsmore

Why didn't you like it? Did it have something to do with the monologuing or something cause that's understandable.

Jul 15 - 11:33 PM

Noah James

Noah Kinsey

I personally loved this movie. I had fun the entire way through. The pacing was perfect, direction was organic, script was sharp and smart, and the acting was spot on. Even if you don't LIKE this movie, it would be hard to argue that the movie was strongly executed.

Jul 15 - 03:10 PM

Movie Monster

Bentley Lyles

RDJ is perfect as Tony Stark and the action is exhilirating. This is a great superhero movie. One of my faves!

Jul 15 - 03:26 PM

Anthony B.

Anthony Bois

Agreed

Jul 16 - 01:41 PM

Alan Smithee

Alan Smithee

IM is easily the all around most solid Marvel movie to date. It was clever, well acted, expertly paced; and perhaps most importantly of all, entertaining! This movie alone rocket propelled the Iron Man character into the major leagues. Now if only Marvel Studios could have followed it's footsteps ...

Jul 15 - 03:48 PM

ALgreen99

AL Green

It propelled it right to a sequel that involved drunk DJing in the Ironman suite. Not but really, I agree with you. Even though I didnt like it - it made Iron man a house hold name amongst the masses.

Jul 15 - 04:01 PM

Brian B.

Brian Barreto

This stand as my 4th favorite superhero film of all-time, just behind The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2 and The Incredibles. To be honest, I didn't have the highest expectations when I first went in to see this film, but it blew me away because it did nearly everything right(there were some shoddy CGI shots and the final battle was very underwhelming) and hardly anything wrong. It was so well-balanced and well-thought out(the Tony & Pepper sequences were actually quirky, witty, and amusing, unlike in IM2). And most importantly, it was a blissfully fun summer blockbuster. I absolutely loved Robert Downey Jr.'s performance. He mades this film the success it was. He's the perfect Tony Stark/Ironman. Anyways, I loved the film.

Jul 15 - 05:17 PM

Dylan

Dylan Davis

Brian, I that's my order of movies exactly! I agree with your analysis of Iron Man 100%. I definitely thought the final battle was a little bit of a let down, and the whole movie felt emotionally underwhelming, as opposed to Spiderman 2, TDK, and the Incredibles, which all throw pretty big emotional punches. Iron Man 2 was good, but I never felt totally invested in Tony's fight against the baddies.

Jul 16 - 01:25 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

A solid film that has managed to shine even though it lives in the shadows of Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight.

Jul 15 - 05:25 PM

Dylan

Dylan Davis

Very true.

Jul 16 - 01:26 PM

PunisherFTW

john lauterio

Great, great movie. My expectations were blown away after seeing this film. I have been an Iron Man fan for a long time but wasn't too sure how they were going to pull off a movie based on a "B" character. All they did was make one of the best superhero movies ever. (Batman Begins, TDK, Spider-Man 1 and 2, X-men 1 and 2, Superman, Thor, are the others.)

2008 was a great comic book movie year. Iron Man, The Dark Knight, and the Incredible Hulk all were released. Hulk is nowhere near the level of theses two, but it did successfully re-introduce the Hulk into the new Marvel Cinematic Universe and wipe away the piss taste of Ang Lee's Hulk from 2003. Will 2012 live up?

Jul 15 - 05:28 PM

staindslaved

Matthew Younker

Wanted and Hellboy II the same year

Jul 15 - 09:03 PM

PunisherFTW

john lauterio

Oh man, I forgot about those 2. 5 kick ass (pun intended) comic book movies in the same year. Don't think 2012 can top that.

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