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14 Your Top 3 Highest grossing films this year 16 Post Credit Scene 6 Killian a rip-off of Syndrome from the Incredibles? 10 Matthew Preston's true identity 10 The Villian's Master Plan 303 The Mandarin is the worst plot twist in cinematic history. 61 List all the stupid things about the movie. 1 Avengers 2 12 hehe, a butt-hurt powered energy source 75 I hear Ben Kingsley outshines Heath Ledger's Joker in this... 18 Man of Steel will destroy this film (Box Office and Critical) 16 The Indisputable reason Iron Man 3 was a poor film 115 Alright people, calm yourselves. It WAS good! 3 What did you Like & Dislike about Iron Man 3? 21 Spoiler Alert? - The 3 Plot HolesThat Irked Me. 16 Let us talk $$$ 8 Told you so. 1 Did Shane Black rip the villain's goal off from G.I.JOE Rise of the Cobra? 25 BEST VILLIAN 9 Why don't the villians aim at Tony Stark's heart thingy? 23 Thoughts on the Mandarin twist? *SPOILERS* 25 Let's be honest, the Mandarin isn't that iconic of a villain 4 Any Easter Eggs? 21 Can Superman and Thor save us! 5 Was this movie supposed to be released during Christmas? 0 People Need to read this Spoilers in the link 0 People Need to read this Spoilers in the link 0 People Need to read this Spoilers in the link 0 People Need to read this Spoilers in the link 0 Iron Man has to be gay 0 Did the oil rigger dude die?

The Indisputable reason Iron Man 3 was a poor film

First off, there's tons of reasons why all kinds of people will not like the film. There's a lot of character raping (regardless of the "it's an alternate universe" argument. Please. In alternate universes they've already made, Spider-man is still a guy with spider powers. What they did w/ the Mandarin AS WELL AS Aldrich Killian was just a waste of time & not creative IMO).

But on top of everything, the story has a gigantic hole in the plot that contradicts the first & last half entirely.

The First half: you're thinking the Mandarin (actor guy) is trying to take over the world or something (which is what the Mandarin in the comics would've been doing). Also, he's so badass he manages to kill Tony Stark! Or at least that's what the guys who shot up the place would've reported back to him, having stuck around to see if he survived. They didn't see him fly away, so everyone on Earth thought he was dead (until he called Pepper, but even then everyone thought he was dead).

Fast forward.

Second half: Turns out, all this was Aldrich's plan to get Tony Stark to help him fix Extremis... wait a minute. Dude, you tried & believed you killed him! How was this your plan the whole time? Did you just have faith that he'd survive somehow? The least they could've done was have him mention it like "I'm glad you're still alive. I was worried my forces may have actually pretended to kill you so well they actually pulled it off. Which would've ruined my plans." But if he would've said that... then the whole thing would've been brought to attention. Can't have stupid Americans assisted with their attention span problem now can we?

So, aside from all the other arguments, I don't see a reason for that to make any sense whatsoever. The guy would LITERALLY have to be a precog & see the future or something. None of which gets explained in the least, which is why it's exactly what I said it was: a gigantic hole in the plot. Not a small one. It's one thing when people are like, "but how'd they get from blah to blah in like 5 minutes, they'd have to be going so fast their skin would rip off" I can accept some things like that at times. We're telling a story, lets speed it up. Makes sense. But completely contradict the first half WITH the last half? C'mon, tell me there are folks out there that are smarter than this? Am I the only one that was just bored out of their minds?
Bo H.
05-6-2013 10:21 AM

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Paula Smith

Paula Smith

You people are over thinking this. The mad man is a madman and not thinking rationally. He tried to kill Tony because he was enraged at the challenge. He found out later that he was alive - most likely from his henchman who saw Tony in Tenn. He realized Tony could be useful - so why not force him to help. That could be even better than killing him.
Killian is not a rational person. He is insane. Don't expact him to behave any differently.

May 8 - 07:01 AM

Bo H.

Bo Hotchkiss

I guess I have a different definition of insanity. I don't think someone who's power hungry is necessarily insane, they're certainly a selfish @$$hole, sure. If he were insane, then I wouldn't think he'd be able to think up such complicated technology, as there's never been a history of the insane also inventing amazing things. So to me, the two don't go hand in hand. IMO.

May 8 - 12:19 PM

El_Capitan

El_ Capitan

Not to argue with the OP, but others who don't quite remember too well.

1. Killian wanted Tony Stark dead at his mansion. He also wanted Pepper Pots later in the movie, and if he knew Maya was at the mansion, he'd have to know that Pepper was there, also. Killian, at that time, had no reason to have Tony Stark live.

2. Maya tells Pepper in the car that Killian is working for the Mandarin (except she knows it's all a ruse, so why lie?).

3. Killian now wants to capture Tony Stark (when he could have killed him), because he somehow finds out that Tony Stark knows more than Maya on how to perfect the Extremis technology (no more random uncontrolled explosions, probably). Obviously he didn't realize that having Tony Stark as your prisoner doing something for you ends up with Tony Stark coming up with something (like an Iron Man suit prototype).

4. For some raisin, Killian has Pepper undergo the Extremis transformation. To what end, I don't know. For her to explode? Likely not, as he was fond of her, but to what end? Pepper will fall in love with Killian after having her forced to be a fire woman? Yeah, right. Instead, he gives her super powers.

For someone who created a Think Tank, he sure has trouble thinking clearly. No, wait, that's Shane Black.

May 7 - 09:23 AM

Bo H.

Bo Hotchkiss

Excellent points.

May 7 - 09:50 AM

Tony Stark

sam varma

*claps*

May 8 - 03:33 AM

James Parker

James Parker

Factually, your points are off, and your just assuming things.

3. At what point did Killian want Tony captured? That would be... never. Tony BROKE IN the house on his own. At which point he was apprehended by one of the guards.

We get it that you guys didn't like the movie. In fact, im sure you don't like many movies. I'm SURE you hated Lion King! When Scar tricked Simba into going into the stampede hoping to kill him, only Mufasa went down there, and he died instead of Simba. That's STUPID that's not what Scar wanted at all. AND THEN... He has the perfect opportunity to kill Simba after his father lay there dead. What does he do? Convinces him to run off. What a DUMBASS. Doesn't he know he will comeback someday? AWFUL MOVIE!

It's called Hindsight. Of course Killians plan was dumb, because you now know, it didn't work.

May 8 - 09:37 AM

James Parker

James Parker

Killian didn't want him to solve the problem. Maya Hansen did. Once they were all together, and Killian shot Hansen, he decided to ask Tony to help him, and why not? He came up with it anyways.
His plan was to keep Maya around so she could finish it. But once they threatened to kill herself, he wasn't really worried cause he had Tony now. Your theory holds no weight.

May 6 - 01:36 PM

Bo H.

Bo Hotchkiss

Killian seems more and more flippant as I hear more of these "excuse" explanations for what he did in the film. Flippant isn't usually something that goes along with genius. It just doesn't make sense. Tony dead would benefit Killian more, at any point in the film. Especially considering that he already thought he was on the right track with Extremis, AND since his plans for the President were already succeeding. So he has a random HIGH RISK idea that maybe, just maybe, things with Extremis would pick up a bit if he ransoms Pepper for Tony's help? Also, Pepper would either die, or become just as powerful as Killian, meaning she'd be able to bust her way out of anything they attempted to use to contain her. How is any of this a logical plan by a genius? The plan holds no weight.

May 7 - 09:57 AM

Marlon Llano

Marlon Llano

Con esos argumentos mejor mira la pelicula otra vez y entiendela mejor.

May 6 - 01:30 PM

Stephen Goss

Stephen Goss

This movie had flashes of entertaining, almost brilliant moments. Stitching those together were far too many interminably boring moments. Inconsistent, and full of the kind of cheese I usually relegate to Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn movies. So much potential, unrealized.

May 6 - 12:44 PM

Michael Indo

Michael Indo

Wrong. Aldrich Killian wanted to kill Tony Stark when he blew up the mansion. Maya Hanson showed up and saved him because she was the one who thought Stark could be useful and rebuild Extremis. This was clear as day when Killian surprised Pepper at the hotel and asked Maya why she was at Stark's home.

Nice try, though.

May 6 - 10:36 AM

Bo H.

Bo Hotchkiss

Maybe I wasn't clear: I know Aldrich wanted Tony dead at the beginning. That's what makes the last half not make any sense because Aldrich explains that he NEEDS Tony to finish Extremis for him. Which we're lead to believe was the plot the whole time because Maya's had that card w/ the stuff written on the back about Extremis the whole time & has been working for Aldrich the whole time (though to her discontent, & it seemed to me she was trying to get Tony to willfully help, instead of Aldrich's way of getting it via appearing to hold Pepper hostage). Or maybe your point wasn't clear to me.

May 6 - 10:44 AM

Johannes Booker

Johannes Booker

Killian wanted to kill Tony because he had Maya to finish Extremis. But Maya wanted to keep Tony alive to help with extremis. Maya only came clean to Pepper once she thought Tony was dead.

Later, Tony's actions (going after the files, going to Miami) let Mya and Killian know that Tony was still alive. So when Killian approached Maya in the hotel with Pepper, she suggested using Pepper to get Tony to help but Killian was going to kill Pepper anyway. Maya held herself hostage, hoping to save Pepper. This is when Killian had a changed plans and decided that he could kill Mya and use Pepper to get TOny to help.

It wasn't until the hotel scene and Mya's failed attempt at saving Pepper that Killian decided he wanted to take Tony alive.

May 6 - 08:15 PM

Michael Indo

Michael Indo

He was improvising his plan. Since he had Tony Stark fall into his hands, he didnt want to waste the opportunity. Killian knew he had a faulty product and wanted to sell it anyway. I believe that's why he set up the whole Mandarin proxy and tried to plant a puppet president. he would create a state of panic among the US government and her people so they would support Extremis with acceptable losses due to problems with the virus.

May 6 - 11:45 AM

Marlon Llano

Marlon Llano

Tu si sabes.

May 6 - 01:31 PM

Jacob Tedlund

Jacob Tedlund

Excellent points. This movie was awful. Top critics are finally bringing the rating down a bit.

May 6 - 10:30 AM

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