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Total Recall: Jackie Chan's Best Movies

We count down the best-reviewed work of the Karate Kid star.

Jackie Chan

An international star in the truest sense, Jackie Chan has appeared in more than 100 films over the last 30-plus years -- and even in today's hyper-hyphenated Hollywood, Chan has amassed a dizzying array of credits, serving as an actor, director, choreographer, screenwriter, and stuntman. And that doesn't take into account his career as a pop singer or his voice work as himself (in TV's The Jackie Chan Adventures) or "Master Monkey" (in Kung Fu Panda and its upcoming sequel). Yes, Jackie Chan has had an amazing career -- and as his co-starring role in this week's Karate Kid remake proves, it isn't over yet. In honor of his latest release, we decided to take a look back at Jackie's previous live-action adventures and celebrate the critical highlights, Total Recall style!


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10. Operation Condor 2: The Armour of the Gods

Okay, try to follow along: Though it's titled Operation Condor 2, this actually isn't a sequel -- in fact, it was released in Hong Kong five years before Armour of God II: Operation Condor. But because Armour of God II enjoyed some success during its U.S. theatrical run, Miramax decided to release the previous installment -- and decided to call it Operation Condor 2: The Armour of the Gods. Confused yet? Don't worry; Condor 2's plot isn't anywhere near as complicated as the story behind the scenes. In fact, it's a pretty straightforward adventure about a faded pop star (Chan) who decides to fence a stolen sword, only to discover it's part of a suit of armor that's being demanded as ransom by the evil cult that kidnapped the woman who...well, okay, so maybe it isn't that straightforward. But the important thing is that it gave Chan plenty of opportunities to battle his way out of ridiculous situations -- and he rose to the occasion with trademark flair, moving Chris Hicks of the Deseret News to call it "An excellent example of Chan at his comic/kick-'em-up best, blending elements of both James Bond and Indiana Jones, along with the requisite zany fights and stunts."


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9. Drunken Master

A lot of movies have been made about the legend of Qing Dynasty revolutionary Wong Fei-hung, but few have enjoyed the level of success -- or been as influential -- as 1978's Drunken Master, which stars Chan as a younger, more impetuous version of the cultural icon. Actually, as Drunken Master begins, Wong is a bit of a troublemaker in his village -- so much so that his father sends him to the equivalent of reform school to train under Beggar So, known for his particularly brutal methods. After attempting to shirk his training, Wong eventually changes his ways, learning enough of So's techniques to become the new master of his secret "drunken boxing" style (and whoop plenty of bad guy tail along the way). The uninitiated shouldn't expect Hollywood levels of glitz -- or even smooth editing -- but if you can see your way past its low-budget quirks, you may find yourself agreeing with Nitrate's Dan Lybarger, who wrote, "Chan's breakthrough film is crudely made, but his own charm and athleticism make this worth a look."


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8. Shanghai Noon

Westerns and kung fu movies have enjoyed a close relationship for years, and that rich shared tradition is given a tongue-in-cheek salute with Shanghai Noon, an action-comedy that transcends its goofier elements (Lucy Liu plays the female lead, a character named Princess Pei-Pei) and delivers a well-rounded blend of humor, adventure, and -- of course -- jaw-dropping stunts. Chan stars here as Chon Wang (say it out loud with a drawl), a Chinese imperial guard who is sent to Nevada to rescue the princess, kidnapped by agents of the villainous Lo Fong (Roger Yuan). Of course, no sooner has he arrived in Nevada than he gets tangled up with Roy O'Bannon (Owen Wilson), a rather inept outlaw who starts out hijacking Wang's train and ends up becoming an invaluable ally in his quest. For some fans, Shanghai seemed at first like just another Americanized buddy project for Chan, who had already done this sort of thing with Chris Tucker in Rush Hour. Chan and Wilson proved a duo worth watching, though; on their way to a $99 million gross (and a less enthusiastically received sequel, 2003's Shanghai Knights), they earned praise from critics like the New York Times' A.O. Scott, who wrote, "Shanghai Noon is, in classic western tradition, a celebration of male bonding, unabashedly juvenile, boyishly risqué and disarmingly sweet."


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7. Rumble in the Bronx

Jackie Chan got his big break in the States with Rumble in the Bronx, the 1995 Hong Kong hit that arrived in American theaters the following year with the prophetic tagline "No Fear. No Stuntman. No Equal." Rumble topped the box office over its opening weekend, giving Chan a measure of vindication after years of struggling to find the proper introduction to U.S. audiences unfamiliar with the frenetic blend of action and comedy that had already made him an international star. Though he'd made minor appearances on Stateside screens (such as in Cannonball Run) and had starred in the underperforming The Protector and The Big Brawl, Chan wanted to make sure his first major American starring vehicle was the right one; he famously turned down Wesley Snipes' role in Demolition Man because he didn't want Hollywood to typecast him as a villain. His patience served him well -- though critics were quick to point out Rumble's paper-thin plot, this story of a Hong Kong cop (Chan) who comes to New York for a wedding and ends up taking down a crime syndicate (and reforming some minor-league hoods in the process) proved a fine distillation of his strengths as a leading man. As Luke Y. Thompson wrote for New Times, "Chan's U.S. breakthrough may not be his best, but it's up there."


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6. Project A

The first on-screen union of "The Three Brothers" -- a.k.a. Jackie Chan and his friends Sammo Hung and Yuen Biao -- 1983's Project A took audiences back to the early 1900s and old Hong Kong, where an upstanding officer in the Marine Police (Chan) gets mixed up with a double-dealing con man (Hung) in his battle to fight corruption on the force and take down a pirate crew. Notable for including Chan's brilliant recreation of the Harold Lloyd clock tower stunt from Safety Last!, Project A offers a glimpse of Chan in his youthful, skull-cracking prime; in the words of Filmcritic's Christopher Null, "Shot before he had broken every bone in his body twice, the spry Chan had such agility and quickness it's truly frightening to watch."

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-9-2010 04:27 PM

I was always a Jackie Chan fan for it's intricatelly choreographed action sequences and homages to Buster Keaton, Charles Chaplin to Harold Lloyd- especially his Chinese ones but his English ones are kind of admissable! He should go back to Hong Kong to do those types of films again where he had full creative control!

I'll probably skipped this film though and wait for it to come on rental or something!

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 06-9-2010 04:36 PM

Good list. My favorite Jackie Chan film is the first one I saw, "Police Story". Although "Supercop" was a close second. I didn't realize they were part of the same series until a coupke years ago. Oh, and I like "Who am I?" too even though it was a bit goofy.

RT-Ryan

RT-Ryan on 06-9-2010 04:45 PM

Yeah, Who Am I? is a bit goofy, and the acting is questionable, which is probably why it didn't rate high enough to be on the list. But it has a few really amazing stunts and fight scenes. Worth watching just for those moments.

Tall Cool One

Tall Cool One on 06-9-2010 05:01 PM

Not to mention the cute reporter/government agent ;)

RT-Ryan

RT-Ryan on 06-9-2010 05:05 PM

I actually used to know a girl who looked a lot like her, and had just about as bubbly a personality. But she's married now. =)

bamb0o-stick

bamb0o-stick on 06-9-2010 07:07 PM

Coincidentally I went through a Jackie Chan marathon these past few weeks. Not only is Supercop Police Story 3, but First Strike was Police Story 4. You will notice recurring characters like Ka-Kui (Chan), May (Cheung) and his police chief, who show up in all of these movies. The New Police Story (5th?) which came out recently was the only one I didn't like as much.

Whit K.

Whit K. on 06-10-2010 07:34 AM

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO AMMMMMMMMMMM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII???????

Movie was worth it just for that scene alone. Also, was that the movie with the awesome kicking scene with the white guy where they just keep slamming their shins together over and over again?

The Senhman

The Senhman on 06-10-2010 09:40 AM

Yup, that's the one.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-9-2010 04:49 PM

Hollywood should stop revolutionize some of our favorite action heroes!

nayd03

nayd03 on 06-9-2010 05:31 PM

What I do enjoy about this total recall is that Jackie Chan was the main character of ALL of these movies... not like others whose best movie they played a bit part or were a voice.

BLaCKWoLF

BLaCKWoLF on 06-9-2010 05:39 PM

You make a pretty good point nayd03. There have been a few recalls which have included films where actors have had nothing more than brief cameo roles, however there are many times where supporting actors make a good movie a great one, even if they arent the 'main' character.

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST on 06-9-2010 05:48 PM

nayd is wise.

nayd03

nayd03 on 06-9-2010 06:15 PM

oh course ;-)

bamb0o-stick

bamb0o-stick on 06-9-2010 07:00 PM

Yeah, I was so disappointed in Jackie Chan's role in Kung Fu Panda. He barely got any lines in that movie.

August M.

August M. on 06-10-2010 07:02 AM

I was actually expecting that movie here. Oh well.

It would have been funny if Disney's Beauty and the Beast was in the list since he voices Beast in the Chinese version.

Santiago C.

Santiago C. on 06-11-2010 08:11 PM

yeah i agree with you, he had so few lines that it was like an insult, well my favorite movie of his, is "Rumble in the bronx", i trully think that is a masterpiece, and i thought he was so underated, but i feel glad that this site recognizes him and his amazing movies.

King Crunk

King Crunk on 06-9-2010 05:48 PM

Man, makes me want to see some great practical action in some modern flicks after reading this list and watching the clips!

KJ Cassidy

KJ Cassidy on 06-9-2010 05:52 PM

Jackie's the man!

fresh f.

fresh f. on 06-9-2010 05:58 PM

Operation Condor and Drunken Master are by far his best efforts. Love me some Jackie Chan.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-9-2010 06:15 PM

i like and dislike. and i care and discare.

pinkyfoo

pinkyfoo on 06-9-2010 06:34 PM

^^ stupid comment

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-9-2010 07:14 PM

but no

Alex L.

Alex L. on 06-10-2010 05:16 PM

yes

Stephen K.

Stephen K. on 06-11-2010 07:09 AM

Don't talk to him like that. He's a doctor.

bamb0o-stick

bamb0o-stick on 06-9-2010 07:10 PM

I bet you were saving that "witty" remark to use on an article for quite some time now? Way to pick a Jackie Chan article of all things pal.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-10-2010 07:32 PM

i'm not being or trying to be witty.

iwilladapt

iwilladapt on 06-11-2010 09:38 AM

Believe me. It's painfully obvious.

RJ Smoove

RJ Smoove on 06-10-2010 11:01 PM

Total mind *****.

Scott L.

Scott L. on 06-9-2010 06:34 PM

Jackie Chan is the greatest action star that ever lived. His impact is undeniable, he was completely original, his skill at his peak was unmatched and most important of all, he is entertaining as hell. Even his less-than- successful movies have excellent fight scenes that should not be missed by anyone that loves action. All the movies listed here are great, if you haven't seen them all yet, why are you still reading this? If you have seen them all, check out some of his other great movies:

"Wheels on Meals" 1984, Has an excellent fight at the end between Jackie and Benny "the jet" Urquidez. The skateboard scene in the beginning is also real cool.

"Heart of Dragon" 1985, Jackie tries drama, but cannot keep the whoop-ass in the can. the end fight is hardcore.

"Project A II" 1987, like the first one, but even more grand.

"Dragons Forever" 1987, This is probably in the top three of all hardcore Jackie fans. The boat fight is badass. The end fight is even more badass.

"Miracles" 1989, Another epic finale fight. If you do not like the story, make sure you at least watch the end fight.

Also check out Thunderbolt (1995), Who Am I? (1998), Gorgeous (1998) and New Police Story (2004).

As always, try to find the original language copies. They are a million times better. Some of these movies can be seen in full on Youtube. Search for the username "mskrider."

The Senhman

The Senhman on 06-10-2010 09:47 AM

The end fight in "Heart of Dragon" ranks up there with one of his best. It's too bad it's a drama, so most people will overlook it.

In "Miracles," I like the fight scene in the restaurant more, even though the end fight is more elaborate. The restaurant fight is his best use of restaurant furniture, imho :)

Scott L.

Scott L. on 06-13-2010 09:21 PM

Absolutely agree about the restaurant fight in Miracles. I think that fight is perfect.

steve s.

steve s. on 06-9-2010 07:56 PM

yo scott L , slo down. you is chan's turbo pimp?

steve s.

steve s. on 06-9-2010 07:59 PM

and stunner, yo face is gettin old like yo worn out attemps at wit ...

David C.

David C. on 06-9-2010 08:27 PM

Jackie Chan? Greatest action star?.. did he forget about Bruce Lee? I mean none of Jackie's movies comes even close to Enter the Dragon

Bjornar

Bjornar on 06-11-2010 07:33 AM

We're not talking about "who would win in a fight" here. Jackie over Bruce if for no other reason than the vast quantity of excellent action movies Jackie has been in.

LocNar

LocNar on 06-11-2010 10:30 AM

I agree, Jackie's movies have never been to rival Bruce Lee's. Lee's movies were more serious than Chan's. This is why I like both without seeing much overlap. Chan's ability to spread humpor with action is uncanny. His Hong Kong movies far outweigh any of the American flicks.

Bruce Lee was the man when it comes to pure fighting whereas Chan leads in stunt-fighting with comedy.

If you want a rival for Lee, then you choose Jet Li's work.

Scott L.

Scott L. on 06-13-2010 09:39 PM

Bruce Lee gets much respect. But would you really take Bruce's 4.5 movies over Jackie's 100? Enter the Dragon was a great movie, perhaps better than any single Jackie Chan movie. But Jackie Chan has so many great moments in his films, so many great fights, stunts, action sequences. Plus, Jackie brings comedic elements, which are very entertaining. I think people get caught up in Bruce's legend and don't actually look at the totality of his films, which does not amount to much compared to the quality and quantity of Jackie's work. I would even go so far as to say Bruce Lee could not do half the stuff Jackie did in his career. Bruce Lee was not a stuntman, he was not an acrobat. Bruce Lee was not a very good actor either (most of the time). I know it was an earlier time period for Bruce, but should we continue to discount the accomplishments of later generations based on the greatness of their predecessors?

David C.

David C. on 06-9-2010 08:34 PM

Scotty, come on? Don't forget Bruce Lee. He paved the way for jackie. Without him,there wouldn't be Chan, jet, sammo, biao, and others. Jackie is good but Bruce is and always going to be the best.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-10-2010 11:08 AM

David C.
"Bruce Lee. He paved the way for jackie. Without him,there wouldn't be Chan, jet, sammo, biao, and others."

I totally disagree with that comment for anyone whose seen "The Deadliest Art" narrated by John Saxon. Also all the names you've mentioned all make action comedies with death-defying stunts and of course some martial arts in them, and as I recall Bruce only does martial arts in his films and no "stunts" period!!

David C.

David C. on 06-10-2010 02:42 PM

Wait.. Jackie chan didn't take anything to the next level.. Bruce is that level. Nobody can never surpass his level. I mean cmon Bruce worst movie was game of death ( the one that was made with pieces of Bruce bcuz he died.) No Jackie chan movie is better than any Bruce Lee's movies

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-10-2010 03:30 PM

If you've seen or had read as many interviews as I have, Jackie Chan is the opposite of Bruce Lee. By looking at the big picture, all of Bruce's films are all depressing films with the only thing going for it are Bruce's impressive martial art skills in which not many people duplicate because of his intimadating screams that he makes!! Does anybody do those sounds on any of the UFCs! Course not!

And if you've seen the "Deadliest Art" ( which is only available on VHS) Jackie was a professional stunt man to the Japanese guy once kicked through the window- he doubled the Japanese guy by throwing himself 30 feet across the lawn for film, The Chinese Connection! On one of Bruce's films, Bruce even apologized to Jackie when it was supposed to be play fighting and he accidently seriously ended up punching Jackie for real!

In Jackie's style of fighting, he uses alot of props such as chairs, tables and tvs which some fighter enthusiasts say that it's like street fighting because the using of anything you can get your hands on can really kill someone whereas with Bruce, he doesn't use any props at all and uses actual weapons like a staff and his famous nunchuks. Also in most of Jackie's films are also alot of comedy as well as extremely hard falls and landings that if done incorrectly can really hurt and injure someone severly- he almost got killed on the set of "Armour of God".

On the set of Police Story part 1 - another one of Jackie's breakthrough films - the stunts were so intense and serious that alot of the same stuntman refused to work with Jackie ever again because alot of them got seriously hurt, so much so that most of them were sent to the hospital as a result of doing stunts that can cripple them for life! And because of this Jackie came up with a idea that to anybody who want to work with Jackie must sign a contract first so that they can never leave him on any film he had done after Police Story Part 1! I don't know if you know this but an actual stuntman was actually killed during the the set of Miracles and as soon as the word got out, hardly anybody went to go and see it upon it's release in Hong Kong!

If you want to compare Bruce Lee, compare him with someone that makes sense like Jet Li who actually performed on front of Nixon and may have trained as long as Bruce, if not longer!

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-10-2010 03:38 PM

David C.

And if Bruce were to be alive today, will you ever see him fight his foes on top of a skyscraper or dangling on a rope 30 feet on the air even summersault through a window- I higly doubt it!

LocNar

LocNar on 06-11-2010 10:37 AM

I don't see that. Jackie set the bar for stunt fighting movies with tremendous choreography.

Bruce Lee set the bar for pure martial arts in movies.

Both are the best in their areas, and both made excellent and entertaining movies which are also different in their own ways.

It's like Star Wars and Star Trek. Both great sci-fi franchises but great in their own devices.

Christopher256G

Christopher256G on 06-10-2010 09:44 PM

Jackie will certainly never be the legend Bruce Lee was. Jackie is an entertainer, Bruce was so much more, probably was a better more serious actor, whose influence went well beyond movies. But Chan deserves credit for the stunts and comedy he inserts in his film, and that is definetly distinct from Bruce.

But if Bruce had lived, oh what could have been. The biggest action star of all time maybe.

Also Enter the Dragon beats any Chan Film, though The Legend of the Drunken Master comes close.

David C.

David C. on 06-10-2010 09:57 PM

I'm glad somebody here agrees with me. Thanks brotha ^^ but even though I like legend of drunken master 2 it still nowhere near enter the dragon, way of the dragon, fist of fury/ Chinese connection, or even big boss. Let me ask you something.. wat do Jackie have more.. good movies or bad movies?

Bjornar

Bjornar on 06-11-2010 08:13 AM

Good movies, very good movies.

Kairu A.

Kairu A. on 06-11-2010 09:17 AM

no lies man, this bruce lee (bruce Li was a different actor BTW) tirade is getting a little old. As it turns out, the reason jackie chan got big to begin with was by not copying Bruce, i.e. he threw in a lot more slap stick humor and made his characters more "human;" otherwise he'd just be another unknown actor from 1970s hong kong

Imo jackie is the better action star, Bruce Lee is so hard core the better fighter

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-11-2010 11:29 AM

The difference is "Drunken Master 2" has Jackie put on fire, being kicked on hot coals and big heavy weights land on him(see the mishap credits) that if Bruce was alive he "would" never even attempt to even try on film!

LocNar

LocNar on 06-11-2010 10:49 AM

I still don't understand why people feel the need to compare Lee and Chan's movies. They aren't the same style of movie. Bruce's were more serious with adult tones while Chan's were stunt driven comedies.

As far as 'legend' goes, I feel they are both legends in their specific arts. Bruce as the pure martial artist with incredible speed and precision while Jackie for the crafty stunt work that few ever try to perform.

David C.

David C. on 06-12-2010 10:34 AM

Jackie have to basically kill himself to make a movie and to say that if Bruce was alive he wouldn't even try that stuff is completely irrelevant bcuz he already set an standard on Kung Fu movies. Jackie was supposed to be the next Bruce Lee ( ppl get the name right. Not li) but that failed bcuz nobody can take him serious, that's why he went the opposite. Jackie is one of the greatest. Not the greatest. That's why I'm even on here bcuz ppl are ready to call Jackie the greatest when he didn't even surpass Bruce Lee's short career. I don't understand how quickly ppl forget about Bruce.. its a shame.. Bruce changed the whole genre. Ppl wanted him dead bcuz he said he's the best. Cmon that's just straight confidence in his skill. Jackie can't be like that.. he's soft.. he complained that Benny the jet didn't hold back his punches. Bruce never done that. Bruce wanted to teach everybody Kung Fu.. the Chinese didn't like that at all. So they send ppl to fight him. These are all facts ladies and gentlemen. Read about Bruce before you ready to call Jackie the greatest. I'm done talking. Thank you and have a nice day

Captain Tripps

Captain Tripps on 06-13-2010 03:14 PM

I think Jackie is easily a better ACTOR than Bruce Lee was in the short career he had, even from the beginning. Jackie probably has more lines in any single film than Bruce did in his whole ensemble.

King Thor

King Thor on 06-9-2010 08:50 PM

Jackie Chan is amazing. One of my favorite action stars of all time to watch. His choreography is so inventive, intricate, complex, and most of all, extremely entertaining to watch. Not to mention the guy is funny and seems like a great guy. Jackie Chan and his movies are pretty much impossible not to like.

RJ Smoove

RJ Smoove on 06-9-2010 10:09 PM

I like Jackie. Some of these titles are too stupid though. Crime Story? Police Story? WTF?

misterkyle1901

misterkyle1901 on 06-9-2010 10:21 PM

I quite like Who Am I?, Shanghai Noon, Shanghai Knights, Rush Hour, and all those other cheesy ones that kind of mesh together in my head as one giant, happy memory. I think that 20 minute fight scene in The Legend of Drunken Master was the most amazing, even if I laughed every time Jackie Chan was next to his "father". They were separated by like 10 years at the most, and Chan was noticeably older than his step mom.

Bjornar

Bjornar on 06-11-2010 08:16 AM

yowazap13 you should dip into some of the older films if you like the fight scenes. The Police Story, Project A era there as a bit more edge to the fighting. Same in Wheels on Meals (reportedly the heel in that movie Benny "The Jet" Urquidez had a problem with--or just didn't want to--pulling his punches).

Hazel B.

Hazel B. on 06-10-2010 12:51 AM

It's hard to find folks who don't like Jackie Chan. He's funny, talented, humble, and simply a lot of fun. His movies almost never fail to entertain. Bruce Lee paved the way, but Jackie Chan took it to another level by toning down the testosterone and turning up the fun-factor.

e-Socrates

e-Socrates on 06-10-2010 02:15 AM

Jackie Chan didn't do the voice on the cartoon. I used to watch it and knew because his voice didnt match when he would talk at the end on camera.

I checked IMDB to make sure and apparently James Sie did the voice. Also if anyone's interested the first 3 seasons are available on hulu right now and they're a lot of fun. I rewatched the first few episodes myself and I still found them enjoyable even in my advanced age (21, going on 80 and cranky).

JUDGE DREDD

JUDGE DREDD on 06-10-2010 05:26 AM

Love SHANGHAI NOON !!! His best Hollywood adventure so far! I hope he makes a second sequel to that.
He and Owen Wilson had great chemistry. Shanghai Knights wasnt bad nor great, but I wanted to see them back in the Wild West, as Lawmen. So much potential there.

The Senhman

The Senhman on 06-10-2010 09:49 AM

Agreed. I actually prefer the Shanghai Noon series to Rush Hour. The humor and spirit of the films feels more like him.

Yann B.

Yann B. on 06-10-2010 10:49 AM

Shanghai Noon is by far his best Hollywood movie... One of the reasons being that the director let Jacki Chan direct all the fight sequences... smart.

bingo007

bingo007 on 06-10-2010 06:20 AM

everybody,kids and adults alike love jackie.his movies have always been a great joy to watch,packed with action and humour.he is a great person in his real life too.

martinscorsese25

martinscorsese25 on 06-10-2010 06:37 AM

Police Story 1 is the best Jackie Chan film i saw. Definitely the the first thing you should watch in his chinese films.

i got hooked on his movies when i was grade 3. there is a chinese channel here in the philippines that shows jackie chan films every 7pm. everyday after school, all i can think about is Jackie Chan. there's so many films in his filmography that everynight, it feels like im watching a series.

on english films, i'll have to argue. Shanghai Knights was better than Noon. and Rush Hour 2 was very enjoyable(c'mon, it was funny plus it had good action).

Jackie Chan has his own thing. he might not be able to work with other asian greats like Ang Lee or John Woo, but because he has his own thing(and because he already "produced" so much) we arent sad that he's not working with those guys

Hazel B.

Hazel B. on 06-11-2010 01:23 AM

"Shanghai Knights was better than Noon."

Couldn't disagree more... to say the least.

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