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So I played this game called "Bioshock Infinite", and the theory of the game says, "every decision you choose could make a new future"(itc. Young Joe) He could just run away with all silvers he's got and forget about the past, but, he didn't. He chose to kill himself which make a new dimension where Joe doesn't exist anymore.
I don't know how and when he realized that his life is just the "life that never was wanted", but one thing, in this dimension, he chose to end the loop. Acceptable?
And one more thing, will Looper still exist? The plot-hole that is too big for me to think of.
Jun 8 - 04:16 PM
And let it be known that Pee Wee Herman came up with the same assessment but far from your bipolar condition.
Jul 4 - 05:12 AM
Lord Diego John Tutweiller of Trolldonia
In the words of Bruce Willis "I don't want to talk about time travel, because if we do, we'll be here all day making little diagrams with straws."
Seriously, no one knows HOW time travel would work. Does this make sense AT ALL? No, of COURSE NOT! But neither does The Terminator, Bender's Big Score, Star Trek: The Voyage Home, Men In Black III, or Prince of Persia! Until someone actually figures out how to travel through time, we'll be stuck with mere speculation.
Feb 21 - 12:23 PM
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
Feb 7 - 09:18 PM
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Sep 10 - 12:52 PM
If people are going to dismiss this movie over something as silly as "Un-realistic time travel" than the'll have to dismiss EVERY other sci-fi movie/show. Doctor Who (pseudo science at best), any superhero movie with powers (Super heroes would have to eat more than a metric ton of food to burn the calories necessary to power flight, Superman's invulnerable skin and muscles would be so dense they could not function), Star Trek (you mean to tell us that by some random chance majority of sentient life in the universe just HAPPENS to be bi-pedal humanoids? also, you mean to tell me that you can manipulate gravity yet all you do with it is simulate earth on a ship!?), Firefly/Serenity (in a universe with no FTL established the trip to other planets alone would outlast the crew). None of these are bad franchises really, but there is no way you can pick on this movie without pointing out other movie's mistakes.
Feb 3 - 05:35 AM
I mean if you didn't like the movie than you didn't like the movie. There's nothing wrong with an opinion. I personally love this movie and thought it was the best movie of 2012 (liked it more than the Avengers, easily liked it more than the Dark Knight Rises). I absolutely agree that IF time travel was possible (a really big IF), it probably wouldn't work like that. But that's EVERY science fiction franchise. Once again, best movie in 2012 I say.
Feb 3 - 05:46 AM
If you're going to debate the time-space continuum, you're gonna have to do it in English, mate.
Jan 30 - 04:26 PM
cengiz mate, dont worry about it its not important, good film though.
Jan 21 - 08:11 PM
Time-space continuum doesnt work that way? Neither does this movie.
Jan 20 - 12:38 PM
There is a line near the beginning of the movie, where Abe said, "This time travel shit, it fries your brain." He later says that he cannot kill young Seth, because that would mess up many things.
Young Joe, in the café talking to Old Joe, starts asking about the conversation that they're having, and where it's going. Old Joe essentially says, "No. Fuck this. If we were here talking about time travel, how we're even having this discussion, we'd be here all day, making diagrams with straws." That shows that Rian Johnson wasn't too concerned with the physics aspect of the film so much as some people, like Shane Carruth's PRIMER. The time-travel concept wasn't even the main part of the movie, or the focus, so in honesty, that doesn't even matter. What matters is the relationships between Joe and Sarah's characters, Joe's life in generally (I mean the mains parts, the reflection his new life has with Old Joe's), the human aspect, not the science aspect.
Completely dismissing a film due to some quantum physics mess-ups is ridiculous. If this was 'completely' scientifically true, there would no way for time travel, in this sense, to exist, taking away much of the film's strong motifs and themes.
Jan 19 - 08:25 AM
I have a question that no one here seems to be asking: WHO THE HELL CARES? Honestly, it's a fucking time travel movie, it's gonna have plot holes. You know why? Because as smart as you think you are, you don't know how time travel works and neither does anybody else. That's why movie maker have to get creative. It's called creative license. Bitching about the space time continuum is about as pointless as questioning why the DeLorean was able to go back in time.
Jan 15 - 01:42 PM
The film acknowledges that at the beginning there is a possibility of infinite time travel loops, but by the end of the movie the director got bored with life on the farm, and forgot postulate terms of his own. So we have this boring illogical movie that people admire.
Jan 9 - 02:30 AM
blah blah blah
Jan 9 - 06:27 PM
Wow, what a counter argument. Agree with Nicolas.
Jan 15 - 12:32 AM
Jan 18 - 05:48 PM
What a lame excuse for defending movie's structure with idea of time travel's
abstract concept that cannot connected to any reality,so everything counts and legit
and no physics can be applied eh,of course who can't develop an idea even about
a story no doubt can't comment anything about time travel itself.
Jan 7 - 05:42 AM
"The movie needed a completely different ending to make any remote level of logical sense at all. The Rainmaker kid had to live and become evil, thus Sara had to die, young Joe had to live the life old Joe lived for old Joe to come back to the present, and old Joe had to either die or vanish after failing to kill the Rainmaker. But then, old Joe should have already known which kid was the Rainmaker, because he already lived that. Young Joe killing himself would mean he would have never had the impetus to meet Sara and the kid because old Joe never would have existed to come back. There might be multiple possible futures, but there is only one possible present. If the future comes back to the present, the present has to continue to exist in a way that enables that future to have come back to the present. It was a fun movie, but it doesn't pass even the most basic logical test."
Thanks Nick for nice example
Jan 7 - 06:10 AM
There's nothing to say the present Joe ever did anything that ever meant Old Joe couldn't exist as we saw him - he was a dug addled criminal up until his wife saved him , there's no reason present Joe (if he didn't kill himself) wouldn't have done the same.
Also, it's entirely probable Old Joe wouldn't have known which kid was the Rainmaker.
Jan 30 - 04:31 PM
Name me ONE Science Fiction that has perfect physics? Well? yeah, didn't think so...
Feb 3 - 05:48 AM
And how the hell would you know how that shit works? Oh right, You don't.
Jan 6 - 07:49 PM
That's how YOUR Space-Time Continuum. How do we know how Time Travel works?
Jan 5 - 12:48 AM
We don't. Which is why his argument is invalid.
Jan 6 - 07:48 PM
Would you stop acting like a child? There has to be internal logic or else they might as well have added a fairy princess. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean that these aren't valid points.
Jan 15 - 12:34 AM
So, because he's saying that because time travel doesn't exist and therefore we cannot know how it works, that makes him a child? Why don't you tell us how that makes him childish.
Jan 15 - 01:37 PM
They could've added anything they wanted. It's their goddamn movie!
Jan 15 - 01:38 PM
We can argue anything we want! It's our god damn accounts and this is our public god damn comments section and we are on the free god damn internet and we live in our free god damn countries, and your responses are pathetic.
So, basically, no discussion can be had about this movie, because it's "their god damn movie" and the can do whatever the fuck and no one can criticize it or discuss it or question its validity?
You exemplify literally the blandest kind of human on the planet. Stop it. It's their god damn movie, it's our free choice to discuss it and criticize it and all of the points made here have merit.
Jan 27 - 07:17 AM
Did you question why the DeLorean was able to travel through time? Did you question why it was able to fly? Did you question how lightsabers worked? Did you question why they were green or blue or red or even purple? Did you question how the neuralizers from Men in Black wiped people's memory? No, you didn't question any of those things because they were in a movie and THEY DON'T EXIST. That's the problem with idiots like you, Johan. You exemplify the douchebag who questions meaningless loopholes in a movie like "space-time continuum doesn't work that way." It's a movie. It's not real. The filmmaker can do whatever he likes. Fucking dumbass.
Jan 28 - 07:09 PM
Yeah, right... next you're going to try telling me Marty McFly had nothing to do with the birth of Rock N Roll
Jan 4 - 11:28 PM
What an idiotic post. It's like trying to explain why lightsabers would not be able to be different colors or some other pointless shit like that.
Jan 4 - 07:52 PM
Jan 3 - 12:26 PM
When Joe travels back in time breaks his time-space continuum,this means if young Joe kills himself only kill himself(doesn't vanish in to thin air),because old Joe not at the future anymore, so he can't effect by his past now, while just living in another past.
So closure part really doesnt make any sense, not convincing and beliavable anyway to convey how the idea of loop working as persistent one.
Jan 2 - 01:45 PM
No...he is still future Joe (doesn't mater when he is) and would still have vanished, because there was no young Joe to live through thirty years and become him.
Jan 30 - 04:32 PM
You've gotta just shutdown your scientific mind in order to enjoy most sci fi movies. In this case, time travel with the concept of being able to permanently change the past.....cause......couldn't someone else just go back and unkill you?? And if you did kill your former self.......you wouldn't have existed in the new version of the future to even go back to kill your younger self........thus you weren't killed and you will exist......securing you the opportunity to go back and try.......but you can't complete it, cause then no future self to do it.....yeah........whatdya know......Its a loop, haha. Just enjoy the damn movie!!! I scream at the logic centers of my brain
Dec 31 - 06:34 PM
It's a movie sport, and time travel is (shhhhh) not real
Dec 28 - 01:25 AM
Dude, you can't think about plotholes in a time travel movie. Every time travel movie has them, and it just takes the enjoyment out of them. P.S. you can't say "time-space continuum doesn't work that way" because I don't think you know that either.
Dec 21 - 09:46 PM
You can say it doesn't work that way because it doesn't work that way. There are 2 theories on how time travel works. According to string theory there are infinite universes and by traveling in time you change universes. The other says that the past cannot be changed (think bill and ted) and everything is fated to happen.
Dec 23 - 07:37 PM
So, because the "theories" say that it's true, that automatically makes it true?
Dec 24 - 08:08 PM
Yes, Alex. It does make it automatically true.
Jan 27 - 07:19 AM
There is no such thing as science fiction movie, film or book without a multitude of mistakes.
Feb 3 - 05:51 AM