The overlong, stale experience barely raises a fast pulse, as the movie quickly stumbles into a standard film structure and doesn't even try to break free.
Alvin Lloyd Allipin
To all Nolan fanboys: I'm also anticipating The Dark Knight Rises. I'm sure it will be awesome. But one thing is for sure: as the dark and dreary world is closing its doors, another gate is opened. A gateway to a bright, shining light. To a world full of color, hope and possibilities. That is what Marvel brings to the public through The Avengers. And they loved it! So how you Nolanite viles say that the public loved TDK, too? That was then. This is NOW.
People are tired of the dark and dreary. People want to escape to vibrant worlds full of life and energy. Those who said that TDK is better than The Avengers are those who mind that is so jaded and so grim, always looking to the same old gloomy Gotham, a place where, even Nolan's Batman wins, he loses.
BRING ON PHASE 2!!!
Jun 29 - 06:36 PM
Not all super hero movies dont have to be heavily based on the comics.The dark knight wasnt but that is still the best superhero movie evermade. The timburtons batman movies were heavily based on the comics and those movie's sucked.And a lot of people are looking forward to the dark knight rises and a couple critics have already seen it and they said that it is better then the godfather and the godfather is way better then the avengers and the tdk. If they are correct that movie is gona be 100times better then the avengers.And even if they are not correct it will still be way better then the avengers.
Jun 29 - 07:46 PM
Not really. Critics can be biased on their reviews. What if I would say... biased much?
You're missing the point: TDK is just the best Batman interpretation to date, but it's just a crime drama more than a superhero film. Tim Burton's Bat films are also good. They were close to the comics but they were considered as dark during that time. You have to give it credit because it paved the way to a gem called Batman: The Animated Series. The reason why you said it sucked because you were fed too much on Nolan's films.
And yes, I'm looking forward to TDKR. And even it will a hundred times better than The Avengers, it's a possibility that it can't beat most of The Avengers' box office records. And it ends. That's it. But because of The Avengers, it is just the beginning. A new era for superhero films. And it starts next year.
Jun 29 - 07:59 PM
I watched tim burtons batman first and I thought that it was gay. I discovered the ressurection of batman aka batman begins and the dark knight two month's ago and I was wowed in every sense. and I can not wait untill nolans superman series which is also gona be amazing.And I dont think that nolan is the best director of all time I think that he made the best super hero movie of all time. but my favorite director is steven spielberg and I am not a nolan fanboy I just like him a lot better then whedon.
Jun 29 - 08:23 PM
And when I say the tdk is better then the avengers I am not talking about which one is more based on the comic book. I am talking about when it comes down to the cast the story. That is what I have been trying to tell you I dont give a shit if the avengers was heavily based on the comic's that doesnt make it better then the dark knight. the dark knight had a better story then the avengers had a better cast then the avengers and had a better villian.and that is what make's the dark knight way better then the avengers
Jun 29 - 08:30 PM
Nah. More like contradictions. Nolan is a filmmaker while Whedon is a comic book guy. And with The Avengers, he did the impossible by putting an actual comic book on film. Something that Nolan would never do. Good thing that you watched Batman Begins. After the death of his parents, he was an isolated, guilt-filled individual. And he ended the movie in the same state. The only thing he overcame was his fear of bats. That was his character arc in a nutshell. Started movie with fear of bats, ended movie dressed as one.
A good reboot yet nothing special. And I just hope that Man of Steel will be good despite of being hit-or-miss because Nolan himself will serve as writer and producer with Zack Snyder as director. But I just hope that they will never water down Superman and ruined such a great character, which you love to happen. Superman wasn't supposed to be a darker, angst-ridden superhero. He was supposed to inspire people. The theme of Superman is all about HOPE. Oh yeah, Tim Burton tried to direct a Superman film which it takes the character to a darker route using "The Death of Superman" storyline as basis. Good thing it never happened.
You prefer Nolan over Whedon yet Whedon can relate to his fans. On Nolan, I don't know. You're underestimating a comic book guy. In other words, a real TROLL.
Jun 29 - 08:38 PM
Nolan did not ruin batman he sucked in timburtons movie. And christopher nolan made him a bad ass I dont follow your logic
Jun 29 - 08:43 PM
Another contradiction on your second post. Sometimes, even the greatest films of all time had the simplest stories. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, even Toy Story! Just because a film that has a complex storyline doesn't mean it's better. You want The Avengers to have complex storytelling? It would suck and turned into a decent superhero film like you're saying. I mean, Whedon should take out all the fantastic elements from the comics. Good thing they never watered down take out anything like Nolan did.
And how does the TDK has a better cast? The Avengers had a very good cast and they delivered the lines very well. And it has a better villain in The Joker? Right, and without him, TDK will just boring, like I pointed out.
Wrong again. How can a glorified crime drama can be better than a true comic book film? Please elaborate. If not, then don't bother.
Jun 29 - 08:51 PM
Third post: Still pure contradiction. The Batman that we saw in Nolan's films was HIS Batman, not DC's take. Not the same Bats in the comics.
And I don't even follow your Nolanite logic. Does Nolanites suck in grammar?
Jun 29 - 08:53 PM
Just becaouse something sold better doesnt make it better for example MW3 sold better then battlfield3 does that make it better no stubet idiots just bought it becaouse it said mw3.same thing with the avengers. keaton was a terrible bruce wayne and so was kevin konroy and the joker wasnt the only good thing about the tdk batman was amazing in it twoface was amazing the story was amazing the cast was the best batman cast ever.You must be stubet as hell to say the tdk doesnt have charector develpment HELLO two face.And iron man and captain america and thor and hulk had terrible charectar development. You have very poor taste in movies.Take away iron man in the hulk the avengers would have been a terrible movie. timburtons batman movies suck so badly. and bane is gonna be a way better villian then the gay fag loki
Jun 29 - 08:12 PM
Wow, a Nolanite accusing a true comic book fan. Accusing me that I have poor taste in movies. Still missing the point.
Why I say Conroy is better than Bale? It's because of the VOICE. I grew up watching BTAS and I never stopped loving that voice. I admit that Bale's Batman voice was laughable a bit but I get used to it. That suits in Nolan's world only.
And yes, I proved that there is no character development in Nolan's Bat films. In TDK, it's all about The Joker AND Two-Face, not Batman. Whedon has a point in his interview that he favored Batman Begins than TDK since it focuses more on Batman. Like I said, Nolan focuses more on themes, not characters.
So are you saying that Iron Man, Thor, Cap and Hulk have terrible character development? Pure lies. People complain about no character development yet we see Stark learn from Rogers what it means to be a hero. We see Rogers go beyond his patriotic trust of the government, we also see Hulk learn team work and Banner learn that some people might accept him.
The Avengers was always going to be about the character dynamics as that is the point of an ensemble flick. The plot simply gives the movie a purpose and direction, making all these characters balanced and interesting while be true to their characters is a major achievement. Anyone who is truly a fan would know this. You take out Hulk and Iron Man, then what? The movie is called THE AVENGERS, not "Iron Man and Hulk and Friends."
I dunno about Bane. I love Tom Hardy's version but he got a lot more criticism on being short and such. And Loki is such an amazing villain. It's all about the schemes made by the god of mischief. And FYI, Loki is the villain from the first Avengers comic book. Tom Hiddleston makes a believable Loki. So the "gay fag" category goes to Mini-Bane (even though I love him) because that kind of Bane only fits to Nolan's world and not on the Batman universe itself.
All of your comments is PURE TROLLING. So shut up, Nolanite fag.
Jun 29 - 09:17 PM
Please, your use of the term "Nolanite" is so boorish and silly. Yeah, some film-maker gave Bat fanatics somethings to cherish, after having been burned so gruesomely by Batman & Robin. Every comic character should be so lucky as to have such a talented person at the helm of their cinematic existence.
Jul 9 - 01:34 PM
@Steve: Someone is butthurt because someone can't accept what is true. And that is from a comic book fan.
After this, Nolan said he would never be involved in these kind of superhero films (including Justice League). Sorry, but it seems you're justifying that watering down everything makes things good. Actually, it's not.
Jul 9 - 05:15 PM
Given the number of posts you have put up here, clearly, you are obsessed with making some sort of point. However, given your insults and the infantile tone you are presenting, it is clear who the "troll" is. I suggest you direct your sour and nasty energy toward something more constructive in life. That is all.
Jul 11 - 06:44 AM
how you describe the avengers is what a popcorn flick is...the avengers plot is something that a 13 year old would find amazing..its heroes vs aliens and destroy the portal..thats it...in my screenwriting classes..the joker is used as the perfect antagonist because batman villians always bring out the worst in him. that is what a great villian does.in the avengers its really just a fight between the heroes and aliens..along the lines of transformers.
Jul 5 - 11:52 PM
The Avengers is more like a popcorn flick. In case you don't notice, it's more like putting an actual comic book on film. Not just kids but also everyone else. Through The Avengers, they finally let the public in on how truly fantastic the world of comic books are. And the public loved it! Plus the movie wasn't about the aliens, they were cannon fodder. It was about Loki and his mischief making being the catalyst that brings the Avengers together just like the first Avengers comic book. So comparing this to Transformers is pure hypocrisy. I mean, one reviews comments that "The Avengers is like Transformers with a HEART." Maybe Joss Whedon himself will give you a lesson in screenwriting when it comes to these kind of films. COMIC BOOK FILMS to be exact. :P
You're bringing up the Joker as an amazing villain as stated in your screenwriting classes. Yet never realized that most of Nolan's Batman films focuses more on THEMES, not characters. The Joker makes a fit in TDK because its theme is escalation and chaos. But I just want to remind you that his Joker was based from Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" but they made him an 'absolute force of evil' than what Moore presented. And next time, will you include Clayface, Killer Croc, Man-Bat, and even Bane from the comics? They also made Bats' life very hard.
Accept the fact that you've never read a comic book in your whole life so you're bringing up with your "you're like a 13 year old kid" insults. Typical Nolanite logic.
Jul 8 - 04:11 AM
Your defensive replies are peppered with insults and attacks that indicate you are quite immature, probably under 15, and less than mature for your age. Get over your need for The Avengers to be considered the greatest movie ever, because it isn't. If it is your favorite movie ever, then continue enjoying it. Please dispense of your silly term "Nolanite" and stop saying "troll", because they make you sound like a rather bitchy person. People like what they are going to like. Every time a reviewer gives this thing a negative review, people like you jump all over him, and call him names. It's ridiculous. Most of the negative reviews I saw made alot of sense. I'm a comic fan, but not a purist. I don't need to see the comic on screen. I just want a great movie. I don't want a dark/emo Superman either, but I want it to be exciting and tremendous. The Avengers was just none of those things for me, and some reviewers agree. Other reviewers gave it a half-hearted thumbs up. Marvel can do better, but, in my opinion, they've become rather lazy in the screen-writing department.
Jul 10 - 07:59 AM
@Steve: Fact is only NOLANITES are immature because they wanted every superhero film to be like TDK w/o realizing the fact that they're trying to make it a masterpiece. Still missing the point. Opinionated jackasses are pure liars if you ask me. NOLANITES are like that. Sorry, but you're insulting me of being "a 15 year old". That's what we call a NOLANITE logic.
Are you trying to say that having a darker tone leads up to "high-level of writing"? You're an idiot. One of the trademarks of Joss Whedon's writing is to mix sharp humor, pop culture-influenced sarcasm and sincere emotion, and all of the above are definitely present here. For example, there's a line when Tony Stark is talking by Thor, where he says: "No hard feelings, Point Break. You got a mean swing." This is pretty hilarious and humor like this is common throughout the movie. The plot is simplistic enough to be understandable, and is something that would come straight out of a comic book!
TBH, most of Marvel's films stayed 100 times truer to their source material than any other CBM to date. So your argument is invalid on saying they're lazy. It seems that you're saying that watering down everything and taking out characters is a good thing to do.
I repeat: typical NOLANITE logic.
Jul 10 - 04:46 PM
@ Alvin I never said that the avengers needed a complex story.And I am with you with starwars and toystory and indiana jones those are childhood favorites for me. I never said the avengers needed a complex story It needed a better one The movie happend to fast the story was to taped up it was just a bad story. And my favorite movie doesnt have a complex story Saving Private ryan. The dark knight had a way better story then the avengers and so did bm begins.And I enjoy superhero movies and comics differently I am not the type of person that would hate on movie just becaouse It is not accurate then the book. And I like I said I know that the tdk knight is not the traditional batman It was a new approach on batman that I enjoyed more then the traditional batman. And I am not the only one who like likes it better then the traditional batman.
Jun 29 - 09:10 PM
I don't know what's the definition of "better" but if you prefer it to be just like The Dark Knight, then don't bother.
Here's another suggestion: it's better for you to watch Unbreakable. It was a better overall CBM than TDK. At least it was truly suspenseful, and deep. It spoke to the mundanes until each of us finds our true purpose, be it good or bad. And we got a sympathetic villain in Mister Glass. It has the mature darkness that TDK lacks. And it was made by someone who truly understands the tropes of the superhero genre. It's M. Night Shyamalan.
But you keep on dodging this question: how can a glorified crime drama starring a man who dresses as a bat, is better than a true comic book film? The story of TDK isn't groundbreaking because it's more like a crime drama, believe it or not. Same goes for Batman Begins a brilliant reboot but there are much flaws if you ask me.
Saying that Nolan's Batman films are better than The Avengers are just exactly the same as DARKNESS is better than LIGHT. Like I said, only those who can resonate Nolan's Bats are those who have minds that are so jaded and so grim. Those who love The Avengers are those who see the bright, shining light and prefers to see a world full of color, full of hope and full of possibilities. You prefer Nolan's Bats over the traditional Bats? Your call, but the traditional Batman IS Batman. He's an angsty character but he can also represents LIGHT because of the people around him. Period.
Jun 29 - 09:34 PM
I told you over in over again how the dark knight is better then the avengers.To start out with it has away better cast Morgan freeman.Gary oldman. Aoran Eckhart. Michael caine. Maggie Gyllenhall the only two good actors in the avengers is Robert Downt Jr. and samuel el jacson/ the rest of the actors are meh. the dark knight has a better story and charactar development.A better villain Joker beats Loki any day.And you keep on saying that they put a comic book in a movie they did that with watchmen and the walking dead tv show is basically the comic on Tv. So that is how the dark knight is way better then the avengers
Jun 29 - 09:49 PM
Same old trolling right there. And I keep on telling you that TDK is a poor man's crime drama while The Avengers is a true comic book film.
On the cast: yes, it has Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart. They're great on portraying their roles but the characters they portray only spout dialogue and to move plot points. Bale's Bruce have no real relationships to them. And worse, they're just there to serve the story. The only character that has life is Gordon and his family is thrown in as an afterthought. Bruce, Alfred, and Fox? They don't have families! Neither of Nolan's films, even TDK develops Bruce as a character. So where's 'better story and better character development' are you spouting? Better to re-watch Begins and TDK and you'll get my point.
And you come on the claim that RDJ and Samuel L. Jackson and the cast was meh? Pure lies. Most of the cast gave life and color to the characters they portray; they nailed their personalities. Mark Ruffalo was considered as the best Hulk actor, surpassing Eric Bana and Edward Norton because THAT is where Bruce Banner is in the comics! I loved how Tony always tried to make Bruce feel comfortable with his surroundings and stood up for him. I loved that bond between Tony and Bruce. Also, the Hulks owns in this movie, not to mention that the Hulk's likeness was based on Rufallo's! Hulk is not simply "anger incarnate" rather, he is a reflection of Banner's emotional stability (or lack thereof). When Rufallo's Banner said the "Here's my secret, Captain. I'm ALWAYS angry" line with a controlled manner, it gave me goosebumps. That's why he's a team player in the final battle, especially when the big guy grin when Captain America ordered him to 'smash.' And I love it. And Chris Evan's nailed his character concerning on Steve Rogers' inner struggles on finding his way into the modern world and how to lead a group of remarkable people to fight against a common threat, especially the way he gives orders. He acts like Cap!
I can't say on between The Joker and Loki. Heath Ledger's performance was legendary at the cost of his death while Tom Hiddleston's Loki is pure gold. Comparing a twisted criminal to a god of mischief is pure stupidity. Apples and oranges. And again, you're totally wrong about Watchmen and that's because of ALAN MOORE. And the Walking Dead TV series? Your claim is FALSE. It diverted itself from the comics. Period.
Jun 29 - 11:38 PM
And a movie that I suggest to you is the league of extraordinary gentlemen. Now which one do you think is a better movie the godfather or goodfellas
Jun 29 - 10:00 PM
Don't ever suggest me a bigger joke called "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen." The Avengers is better than this crap. I mean, it's officially a flop. And guess what: this is one of the reasons why ALAN MOORE has huge hate over film adaptations of his works. And there is even controversy when 2 writers (one of them was Larry Cohen) filed a lawsuit against Fox, claiming the company had intentionally plagiarized their script called 'Cast of Characters'. MOORE was infuriated on this as he went on saying this on court "If I had raped and murdered a schoolbus full of retarded children after selling them heroin, I doubt that I would have been cross-examined for 10 hours."
Not to comment on Godfather and Goodfellas since I've never watched these kind of films about organized crime. TDK and even Batman Begins is a poor man's crime drama. The reason why it was hailed is because it features an actual comic book character; it features a man dressed as a bat. That's it. Nothing more. If Nolan's Bats would be the same from the comics, the better.
Jun 29 - 11:02 PM
@ Alvin I like positive movies I am not emo just becaouse the tdk in my opinion was better then the avengers. I liked ironman1 and 2 I like superman1 and 2 have not seen 3 or 4 or superman returns.I like Mr Deeds and haply gilmore I do prefer light over dark I was just blown away by the dark knight the avengers not so much. and who is in unbreakable
Jun 29 - 11:14 PM
But the public has spoken! They love The Avengers than The Dark Knight. The Avengers is the purest CBM to date. The Dark Knight is the best Batman interpretation to date. And you're just blown away by TDK. So you finally admitted that you love DARKNESS than light. Believe it or not, THAT is what Nolan's Bat films bring. Compared to The Avengers, it brings dark and more dark. The public has brought into the light of what comic books truly bring to the table. And that is through The Avengers. No longer will the public have to suffer through a dark reflection of what a CBM should be.
And you finally said that the TDK is better than The Avengers... IN YOUR OPINION. Better to state FACTS and TRUTHS rather than such things as opinions. And that's what I'm doing. Fact is that The Avengers is a true comic book film. Nothing more, nothing less. Just say that you were blown by the DARKNESS and hates the light. 'Nuff said.
Who's in Unbreakable? Bruce Willis and SLJ. At least Shyamalan had a better understanding on superheroes than Nolan.
Jun 29 - 11:36 PM
I accept that the avengers was pure to It's comic.But it is not a fact that the avengers is better then tdk It's just opinions. But just becaouse the avengers is the most pure cbm movie to date I will still prefore tdk in the superhero/vigilante category and maybe I another reason why I think tdk is better is because I LOVE mafia movies like the godfather and scarface and goodfellas. Another question is superman 3 and 4 and returns worth watching
Jun 30 - 05:42 AM
And I also love the lines in tdk like you either die a hero or live long enough to see your self become a villian. If your good at something never do if for free.whats the difference between me and you I'm not wearing hockey pants.why so serious and I like bales voice as batman and if they ever made a metal gear solid movie he is the right man for solid snake. and do you know how I got these scars no but I know how you got these
Jun 30 - 06:15 AM
Wrong grammar makes argument very invalid. i love TDK for what it is. But it will always be a crime drama but not the best superhero film. The Avengers being the best CBM ever is a FACT because the public loves the bright shining light; the fantastic elements of comic books, all featured in one ensemble film.
And I disagree Bale being Solid Snake. Snake will always be DAVID HAYTER. All he needs to do it to improve his voice more unless Nolan will direct it. And please, I know all the memorable quotes in TDK but most of the dialogue in The Avengers are unforgettable because most of them are pure wit and pure fun; especially on how Cap gives orders like a boss.
Superman 3 is good even though not great. The only good thing is where Superman vs. himself scene. Superman 4 is a big joke which it features a lame villain in Nuclear Man. Negative reception.
Jun 30 - 07:40 AM
What about superman returns. And just becaouse the public loved the avengers more than tdk that doesnt make it a fact the public is based on opinions matter afact I know more people that like the dark knight better then the avengers. the dark knight got better scores and reviews then the avengers that doesnt make it better it is all opinions like the ps3 vs xbox360 and I love nolans work inception his batman movies and if anybody was gona make another matrix series it should be nolan.
Jun 30 - 08:18 AM
@Connor: Superman Returns is a good film. Bryan Singer did a better job but it was not successful financially. But still, good Superman film.
A lot of people loved TDK than The Avengers? That was THEN, this is NOW. Like I said, thru The Avengers, the public is seemingly embracing the fantastical elements of comics over the injected realism they have been force fed for years now. True comic book fans like myself rejoice on this great news. Nolanites, like yourself, who have probably never read a comic book in their life, hates this paradigm shift.
Jul 3 - 10:34 PM
My opinion on The Avengers and The Dark Knight...I really can't choose a favorite! They are both my favorite hero movies but both for two totally different reasons. I love the Dark Knight for it's realistic rendition and the mind-boggling writing/acting. I love The Avengers because for it's close base on the comic book, huge action sequences, and humorous dialog.
Jul 5 - 07:01 AM
You can't even compare the two. But it's really hard to hate on The Avengers, the purest comic book film to date.
Jul 5 - 02:45 PM
This was quite possibly the dumbest and mot boring movie I have ever seen. The dialog was a joke as was the plot and acting. Just formulaic, Big-Budget, Hollywood Studio, ?Popcorn movie? inspired trash. Please, I be of all of you- If you are over eleven years old, and have an IQ above 105, avoid this film like the plague.
Jun 30 - 09:59 AM
Fuck You, I have an I.Q. of 125 and I love this movie and people have different opinions so nobody is stupid for liking it asshole
Jul 1 - 05:40 PM
Someone needs to be punched by the Hulk..
Jun 30 - 03:27 PM
No wonder why you have no profile picture, troll.
Jul 2 - 07:55 PM
lol at all the people trying to say the avengers is better than the dark knight. Sure it was a fun movie but that's it. Nothing special about it whatsoever. I was disappointed. Dark Knight is amazing and trumps the avengers on every level possible
Jul 3 - 10:44 AM
TDK was amazing because of Heath's Joker. If you take him out, TDK will be boring and cliched. You can't even compare the two because The Avengers is a TRUE COMIC BOOK FILM while The Dark Knight is a glorified crime drama starring a man dresses as a bat.
Jul 3 - 10:43 PM
Um, first of all, as much as I loved Heath Ledger in the film, he was NOT the only good part about it. Are you forgetting Christian Bale's performance as Batman, the groundbreaking use of practical special effects, the smart script, the impressive action sequences? The Avengers was, and this may sound a bit harsh, a childish, overrated, predictable and incredibly disappointing superhero film. Lousy villain, merely passable script, terrible story. Get real, TDK is way better
Jul 4 - 03:47 PM
C'mon. As a true comic book fan like myself, you're clearly missing the point. Bale's Bats was overrated if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, his portrayal was brilliant. But the Batman he plays is Nolan's version, not DC's take on it. That wasn't the same Batman that he was in the comics. Instead we get a boring, angst filled, fearful, not too smart guy, who is always several steps behind his adversary. We get a Batman who muddles his way through a movie. Without Fox and Alfred, he'd just be a silly little ninja, trying to fight crime in a ski mask. That's not the Batman from the comics, that's not Batman period. And Nolan sucked on making action sequences with all the "realism" excuse.
Only trolls like you would say The Avengers as a disappointing film. Like I said, it was purest, comic book film to date. I say this because all of the fantastical elements of comic books are already there. It has a simple script, yet I want to remind you that some of the greatest films of all time have the simpler stories. Marvel finally let the public in on how truly fantastic the world of comic books are. And the public loved it!
The public finds The Avengers to be fun, action-packed, family oriented entertainment. Just like every superhero comic book is supposed to be. Of course The Avengers is marketed towards kids. Superhero comics are marketed towards kids and adults who can still remember the joys of childlike discovery. Loki wasn't lousy; it was about him and his mischief making being the catalyst that brings the Avengers together just like the first Avengers comic book. The Avengers truly is a feat in movie making. Something none of us thought we'd see in our lifetime. Bringing all these different, stand alone, iconic characters together in one movie....AWESOME!
Jul 5 - 05:25 AM
Sorry to be harsh, but TDK is nothing but an overrated, glorified crime drama that features a man dresses as a bat. Bruce is one dimensional and boring, the same can be said for Bats. Nolan removed everything that makes the comics interesting and gave us this humdrum paint by numbers movie, that was only elevated by Heath's performance. Unlike Nolan's Bats, Marvel didn't water down anything like Nolan did, they didn't remove the more colorful characters (Robin) like Nolan did. Marvel embraced their heritage, they didn't run from it.
Those who prefer TDK are people whose minds who are so jaded and so grim that the only thing that resonates them is its dark and dreary landscape. So get real. The Avengers is the purest CBM to date, meaning that the public loves it more than TDK, being the best superhero movie of all time. I say this because LIGHT prevails over darkness.
Jul 5 - 05:32 AM
The Avengers is made for three type of people : SIMPLETONS (despite the fact that they have a brain,they don't like to use it while watching movies.While watching movies they just want to be entertained), IGNORANTS (those people who are actually incapable of understanding a more difficult movie than this one) and YOUNGSTERS (young people prefer comic books over real books, and they prefer special effects over a good script,so this movie is heaven for them).
Jul 5 - 03:02 AM
There are two types of people: those who prefer to live in a dark dreary world and a void of hope and those who prefer to escape through worlds full of life and energy; a world full of color, hope and possibilities. Those who prefer darkness and others prefers LIGHT.
The latter represents THE AVENGERS.
Jul 5 - 05:34 AM
You're feeding FAR too much into the avengers. It was a fun film. That's IT. It didn't break any new ground at all. So please stop starting arguments with people who don't agree with you
Jul 5 - 01:43 PM
Not really FAR. Yes, it was a fun film. C'mon, I love TDK for what it is but it wasn't the best superhero film. I bet Bale's Batman will be more layered if Robin would be around, but Nolan didn't do it because he can't figure out how to bring him in the mythos.
Yes, The Avengers is a fun film. That's it. TDK was the best Batman interpretation to date since it's grounded on realism. That's IT. And you're wrong about The Avengers didn't break any new ground at all. It DID. Joss Whedon did the impossible: putting an actual comic book on film. Something that Nolan or his Batman films would never do. And thanks to The Avengers, the public seems to be embracing the fantastical elements of comics over the injected realism that has been force fed for years now. True comic book fans like myself rejoice on this great news. Nolanites, like yourself, who have never been read a comic book in their life, hates this paradigm shift.
So please stop spewing lies and stop comparing the two films if you may. Like I said, LIGHT prevails over darkness. Your mind is so grim and so jaded, that's why.
Jul 5 - 02:41 PM
Maybe he didn't put Robin in his movies because, oh i don't know, NO ONE wanted him there? Remember the schumacher batman films with Robin in them? Remember how bad they were? Robin is a gay character, no one cares about him anymore. And by the way, you keep on repeating things you've already said
Jul 5 - 03:06 PM
Not really. Joel Schumacer did a better job on introducing Robin in Batman Forever, but they turned him into a gay character with Batman and Robin. You're completely missing the point after all. Only Nolanite trolls like yourself would say that Robin is a gay character.
Actually, Nolan never realizes this: the introduction of Robin further enriches the Bruce Wayne character and it develops him. Robin represents Batman's light and humanity. And it teaches him that even he's a dark character, he can also shed a light on everyone. Through Robin. And his own family. THAT is the Batman of the comics.
Jul 5 - 06:04 PM
How can you say that Christian Bale's Batman is the best yet many complained about his voice? In fact, it was the same bland ass Bruce Wayne. A Bruce/Bats who lives alone; with only an old man who keeps him company. The beauty of Batman is not his rogue's gallery; it was his cast of supporting characters. It's his extended family. His fathers: Alfred and Jim Gordon. His sons: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, and his only son Damian. His daughters: Barbara Gordon, Cassandra Caine, and Stephanie Brown. The relationships and love Bruce has for them elevates him beyond the darkness of his alter ego. He reveals his light thru his interaction with a family of his choosing.
I keep on repeating myself because most of you people never get it. This is all TRUE. The biggest critics when it comes to superhero films are not movie critics but comic book fans themselves. I pity on those who gave The Amazing Spider-Man negative reviews because they made the Raimi trilogy as comparison; they're clearly missing the point. Like most of you did.
Jul 5 - 06:15 PM
alvin looks like he is 12...listen, superhero movies are only as good as their villians..the joker from the dark knight not only presents difficult obstacles in batmans path but the antagonist job is too bring out the worst in the protagonist...the joker does exactly that in the dark knight..im a film and screenwriting major and professors have used the joker and rah al ghul as amazing villains..i know batman is too dark and scary for you..bruce wayne is the most complex character in dc and marvel universe. traumatized as a child ..billionaire by day vigilante by night not to mention that batman cant walk out in broad daylight and fight people...everyone even the cops want him behind bars..now that is an interesting character..about the avengers not once did i feel any of the avengers were in danger of not completing their task..i could tell you how the movie would end within 30 minutes...the avengers has such a meat and potatoes plot..this makes sense because when i saw the avengers it was all kids with their parents pretty much...batman is too mature for you
Jul 6 - 12:01 AM
@Kyle: You're missing the point, lying fraud. My point on Nolan's Bats is that he wasn't the same Bats that he was in the comics. Too dark and scary? Try to read a Batman comic for once and you'll know what I'm talking about. And yes, Batman is a complex character yet not really complex like he was in the comics.
Joker and Ra's Al Ghul are amazing villains, yes. But there is something wrong. And that part in Begins where Bats tells Ra‚??s, "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." is downright stupid. Nolan doesn't realize that not saving someone's life when you have the ability to, is the same as killing them. Not to mention that one action goes against everything Batman stands for in the comics. And the Joker does way more damage in TDK, than Ras's stupid microwave, hot pocket scheme did in Begins, why does Nolan's version of Bats save the Joker. Talk about movie inconsistencies, that's a huge one right there. Nolan's Bats is just as schizoid as his villains. He has no consistent moral code. He lets his father figure fall to his death in Begins, and saves a bonafide retard in TDK. WHY! Because they bonded in the interrogation room. Did Bats find his soulmate in the Joker? Or was it just lazy plotting and convenient storytelling to have Heath's Joker appear in the sequel.
I think you're just fed up by Nolan's Batman. My suggestion is you should try to read a Batman comic book. Those professors are nothing but pure idiots because they only use Nolan's version of those villains and not from the comics. At least The Avengers is the purest comic book film while TDK is just the best Batman interpretation to date. Nothing else.
So who's like 12 now? Maybe you should do more research because I sense your disrespect on the genre.
Jul 6 - 02:21 PM
@Kyle: You said that Bruce is a traumatized as a child. Billionaire by day, vigilante by night? He's more than that. What makes him an interesting character is in the comics and not Nolan's Batman.
Stop pretending to be a screenwriter student. AFAIK, watering down and ruining everything makes things interesting. Good thing that Joss Whedon and Marvel never did that.
Jul 6 - 02:26 PM
Honestly, it comes down to this. The Dark Knight is simply a better movie, artistically and technically, than the avengers. In terms of enjoyment? That's up to opinion. But seriously, compare the acting, script, directing, musical score, and costume design of both films. Dark Knight wins by a landslide
Jul 6 - 04:06 PM
alvin so you admit your judging the movie based on the comic books and not judging it as an individual movie.im judging both as individual movies..btw i go to school in cupertino,CA. one of my scripts got in cinequest and scriptapalooza..i know what i'm talking about.the avengers is simply a summer popcorn flick while the nolan batman series all have a better developed,more mature plot.
mark, these kids dont understand. once they have gone through puberty they will get it
Jul 6 - 04:17 PM
Trolls on the rise. :P
@Mark: Right, TDK wins by a landslide by watering down everything that makes the Batman comics so interesting, aside from its superb acting, script, musical score and costume designs. Like I said, this wasn't the same Bats from the comics. At least The Avengers did that right. Preferring a glorified crime drama over a true comic book film? Nolanite logic you got there.
@Kyle: Troll harder, fraud. Because a scriptwriter who makes a good script while sacrificing on being close to a source material is considered fraudulent. The Avengers' storyline is very simple yet enjoyable (you're underestimating Joss Whedon so much). hey, I love TDK for what it was. But I pity you because you wanted to make this as a masterpiece but in reality, it wasn't. It's just the best Batman interpretation to date, but not the best superhero movie. Yes, Nolan put a more realistic take, but the Batman in his films is not the same Bats as in the comics. And it focuses more on The Joker and Harvey Dent than Batman. Neither Nolan's films have developed Bruce as a character. At least Batman Begins makes sense since the main focus is Bruce/Batman yet what he got is pretty weak character development. And what is that? Overcoming his fear of bats! Afraid of bats in the beginning, dressed up as one in the end. In fact, it was the same bland-ass Bruce Wayne/Batman who is an anti-social loner who only has Alfred to keep him company; a boring, angst filled, fearful, not too smart guy, who is always several steps behind his adversary. Not the same guy who is the world's greatest detective despite being a vigilante, the well trained smartest guy in the room, a master strategist, a man who beat the Justice League all by himself, a man who sees life as sacred and never kills criminals (watch Batman Begins and you'll find out that Ra's death is a huge contradiction), and the same man who raised several boys AND girls to become heroes like himself. THAT is Batman. Nolan's Batman never showed much of that. TDK is more like a glorified crime drama than a superhero film.
I'm already at puberty, idiots. A comic book fan like myself would understand this more. Don't you know that Batman is a comic book character? You never understand because most of your minds are so jaded and so grim. As always, LIGHT prevails over darkness. The former represents THE AVENGERS.
Jul 6 - 06:58 PM
Alvin read the first reviews for TDKR lmao.they say it is best picture worthy HAHA
Jul 7 - 11:41 PM
@Kyle: I'm expecting this to happen. I know that TDKR will be Best Picture worthy, but it's only on-par with TDK and weaker compared to Inception. But the question is: will we get more Batman films AFTER THIS? Nolan said this is his last Batman film and WB/DC will look for a new director.
I'm expecting this to be epic. I'm expecting this to be my favorite. But one thing is for sure: as the dark and dreary world of Nolan's Batman trilogy coming to close, Marvel is still opening its floodgates to a world full of hope and infinite possibilities. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is expanding. I say that last year, and I'm saying this over and over again.
And please, don't use that link in order to TROLL on me. The damage has been done. Nolanites are acting like little kids, believing that every superhero movie should be like TDK mind you. It's like magic, a hit-or-miss.
Jul 8 - 03:56 AM
Yep, I completely agree. Schumacher Robin was homo.
Sep 18 - 04:25 PM
Hey Buttlett I bet you gave a good review to "There Will Be Blood". By the way, that movie sucks
Jul 5 - 06:56 AM
Really kid? There Will Be Blood is one of the best movies of the 2000s. Go back to watching your overproduced mainstream garbage
Jul 5 - 01:45 PM
your an idiot
Jul 6 - 06:08 AM
People like you are the reason why we were made to be ruled.
Jul 6 - 01:09 PM
How high are your standards for movies?
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