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Whoops! MPAA's College Piracy Numbers Off by Nearly 30%
"It was our understanding that there would be no math..."
by Jeff Giles | January 24, 2008
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You'll have to forgive the members of the MPAA if their speech is a little garbled this week -- it's just that speaking clearly is difficult when your mouth is full of crow.

The source of the association's embarrassment? Having to acknowledge that a 2005 study it commissioned was wildly incorrect -- and that, as a result, the numbers it's been using as the basis for its crusade against illegal movie downloaders on college campuses have been way off the mark. From The Hollywood Reporter:

In a statement issued Wednesday, MPAA spokesman Seth Oster said a 2005 study the association commissioned from research firm LEK "incorrectly concluded that 44% of the motion picture industry's domestic losses were attributable to piracy by college students."

It turns out that only 15% of the industry's domestic losses came from college students, Oster said.


LEK is said to have attributed the discrepancy to a "data entry error" -- the firm apparently "attributed all films downloaded as films that would have been purchased" -- but that explanation has proven cold comfort for MPAA president and chairman Dan Glickman, who has begun an ominous "review of the association's 'relationship'" with LEK.

All this embarrassment hasn't prevented the MPAA from doing its best to spin the announcement -- as the Reporter notes, Association officials were quick to invoke the time-honored "yeah, but still" argument, pointing out that even the adjusted number accounts for $250 million in losses.

Source: The Hollywood Reporter
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UCLASmrtGuy82
UCLASmrtGuy82 writes:
on Jan 24 2008 07:53 AM

$250 million in losses, yet "Alvin and the Chipmunks" is making over $200 million domestically. Pardon me while I don't shed any tears for the MPAA.

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xenogears
xenogears writes:
on Jan 24 2008 07:53 AM

Everyone with any kind of sense could tell you it was bull to go after college students like that anyway. There are plenty of other ways to get around paying for these dumb-high priced movie tickets and not-worth-the-disc-they'er-printed-on DVD's. They just wanted a fall guy. Funny that we are being raped out of our money so much now that this doesn't even seem that outrageous. Crazy high ticket prices, and concession prices and then when they think they are still owed more money, they go after the little guy and use false numbers to make said little guy out to be a big guy. Sad.

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LordVapor
LordVapor writes:
on Jan 24 2008 08:10 AM

This is why 95% of movies I really really want to see get passed on by me until DVD.

Who wants to pay 12 bucks for a ticket...God forbid if I want to take my girlfriend too...Concession prices that start with my soul and prices go up from there....

Punk kids all day long in the theater who won't shut up, and act like douche holes cause their mommy and daddy didnt knock some smarts into them inbetween hits on their crack pipes LOL...


Only movies that I really wanna see that I will actually go to the theater because I can't wait for them on DVD will be, The Dark Knight, and Iron Man. Maybe Speed Racer, because sadly that movie looks like it is going to be really good...



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Gimy
Gimy writes:
on Jan 24 2008 08:44 AM

the mpaa is useless, they're so biased its not even funny. this is just more proof on how stupid they are. free speech goes out the window with them nless you have $...

there's no way of telling how much the movies are losing out with piracy. know why? they have no way of telling how many copies are being made of the downloads, or the GHETTO pirate who still uses their video camera in the theater. how many copies did HE make? and sell...and copy and sell. they'll never know. they simply made up a # and guessed to be dramatic. the MPAA is like the class president in high school. they're so snotty and into their job they think they have more power than they do. so they say "no, this isn't acceptable to OUR rating even though we approved a similiar scene for a Disney movie. hey! disney is our friend...they invited us to a frat party last night, what have YOU done for us?" they made up an imaginary #, to be more dramatic and call attention to something their friends(the studios) think is a problem. the fact is, the problem is movies themselves. for every entertaining Transformers/Cloverfield...there's 10 Shrek 3/Halloween/Saw/Evan Almighty movies that make you wanna barf. make better movies. you're tired of losing money? keep to a budget! put Owe Boll on an island and never seek his work AGAIN. don't blame others that have a VERY small percentage of fault...


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southwick
southwick writes:
on Jan 24 2008 10:19 AM

Make easily accessible high quality products at reasonable prices, and for the most part people will buy.

Make low quality products at high prices, and people will most likely avoid the product for find other means of obtaining it.



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dahluzz
dahluzz writes:
on Jan 24 2008 10:25 AM

wait, i can still settle my claim online right? that website was so great. all you had to do was enter your credit card info, check out just like amazon and thousands of dollars and one ruined existance later, you're home free. sweet land of liberty.

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arendr
arendr writes:
on Jan 24 2008 11:12 AM

Seriously, there's no way you can ever "lose" much money to piracy. They might not be making as much money but there's no way to really say you're losing it since nobody knows how many people would have gone to the movie in the first place.

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zbbrox
zbbrox writes:
on Jan 24 2008 11:15 AM

The heading of this article is misleading. While the numbers were off by nearly 30% in an absolute sense (that is, 44%-15%=29%), percentage usually denotes a relative value--which is to say, the implication is that 30% of their *claim* was inaccurate. In fact, just about 66% of their claim was inaccurate! Or, to put it another way, their numbers were inflated by nearly 200%! They essentially tripled their numbers.

For a more accurate (and more dramatic) headline, go with "Whoops! MPAA's College Piracy Numbers Off by Nearly 66%!" Or even "Whoops! MPAA's College Piracy Numbers inflated by Nearly 200%!"


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JUDGE DREDD
JUDGE DREDD writes:
on Jan 24 2008 11:25 AM

Good call arendr,

Also, All the money they must lose in a year to piracy must equate to the budget they spend on 1 piece of **** movie like Garfield 2, or Doom,or AVP-R.

When do we get OUR refunds back for watching such pieces of ****? Piracy seems to me, to be the only way to sift through the crap.

At the end of the day, If i like a movie i will buy it, if i WANT to see a movie on the big screen I will see it. But wheres my Refund for all the ££££££££££££££££££ That I have wasted on cinema/rentals that the studios have SCREWED out of me? Wheres the god damn quality control?


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JUDGE DREDD
JUDGE DREDD writes:
on Jan 24 2008 11:26 AM

Good call arendr,

Also, All the money they must lose in a year to piracy must equate to the budget they spend on 1 piece of **** movie like Garfield 2, or Doom,or AVP-R.

When do we get OUR refunds back for watching such pieces of ****? Piracy seems to me, to be the only way to sift through the crap.

At the end of the day, If i like a movie i will buy it, if i WANT to see a movie on the big screen I will see it. But wheres my Refund for all the ££££££££££££££££££ That I have wasted on cinema/rentals that the studios have SCREWED out of me? Wheres the god damn quality control?


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JUDGE DREDD
JUDGE DREDD writes:
on Jan 24 2008 11:32 AM

sorry bout the double post. While im here, thought id add, If your one of those that is gonna say, well how has hollywood screwed money out of me, my choice to see it blah blah blah. Then heres my answer...

Alien series, Awsome! Predator series, Awsome! AVP...WTF? AVP-R(promised us a better sequel to the original, got our hopes up, marketed pretty well) AVP-R=WTF, again????????????? They want YOUR MONEY!


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ledjam13
ledjam13 writes:
on Jan 24 2008 11:39 AM

they are lucky I bothered to steal half the movies that are made lately, cause I sure as hell wouldnt have paid to watch them

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islandhome
islandhome writes:
on Jan 24 2008 07:03 PM

mpaa are no good
the only reason why thay would even target collage kids
cuss thay think that theres money there


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arcadefire325
arcadefire325 writes:
on Jan 24 2008 07:51 PM

this comes as no surprise because they always inflate the numbers. they make it look like they are losing so much money and it turns out to be false. they are just mad because people have figured out a way to beat them at their game. we just download the movie. simple and cheaper. woo who!!!

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TheAnswerMVP2001
TheAnswerMVP2001 writes:
on Jan 24 2008 08:20 PM

How are they losing money when most college kids don't have the money to go to the theaters in the first place!?! That 15% they say they're losing is totally speculative, in all reality they wouldn't be getting the whole 15% anyways. You can't lose something you probably weren't going to get in the first place!

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nevermachine
nevermachine writes:
on Jan 24 2008 09:25 PM

hmmm, i wonder if they take into account, out of all of the money they say they have lost from college students downloading movies, that students get a student discount at theaters. the savings is only about $1-5 a ticket, but multiply that by... whatever there incorrect figure was, and we will see how much money they are actually loosing. hell, with that said, i'm suprised that they are not trying to ban senior and child tickets.

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Gimy
Gimy writes:
on Jan 25 2008 05:15 AM

i WOOOONDER if they also take into account shady MARKETING. bob the college student pirates movies, hands free copies(eh, dude wants to get laid) to jane, jessica and judy. those girls tell 3 people(each) how cool the movie was and how they should see it. now unless THEIR friends actually get the pirated copy...they're probably going to go see it and pay $. so you JUST got 9 people into your movie that you wouldn't have had otherwise...based on 4 "NON" sales(the girls and bob) that could count as marketing, but STILL would be profit. they don't take that sh3t into account either...and why would they, its common sense.



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positive hearts
positive hearts writes:
on Jan 26 2008 01:07 PM

Man I love the Regals Cinema in Binghamton, $5.75 student tickets can't be beat :)

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