I love this idea, Consider me subscribed...
Apr 8 - 10:49 PM
Well, well. I'll try it out for a bit....:)
Apr 8 - 11:10 PM
Some people might not know that to leave comments they have to click on the number under comments.
I know, sounds silly, but the number is so small I think people may not know.
Not saying I was once one of them, either. That was my friend.
Apr 9 - 06:01 AM
I hope this means that you all at RT will be bowing out of writing your own news items. Because if that's the case, it sucks! I like your news updates.
Apr 9 - 06:38 AM
I also like to know which site I am being directed to prior to going there. And yes, it is confusing to have to click on the number to comment. I am not really a fan of this idea so far. I liked when everything was kept "in house" at RT, with the OPTION of going to another site to read more.
Apr 9 - 06:39 AM
Great idea! It is a nice convenient help, thanks RT. I do agree with whiskeyriver though, it would be nice to have in small print or something under the headline the name of the site you're linking. Then you can tell at a quick glance if its a site you care to click to. Also the RT write-ups would be easily to pick out quick too (without having to go to the other tab, c'mon we're lazy)
Apr 9 - 07:48 AM
Seems pretty cool, but could you guys put the linked website in the headline of the RSS feed?It's odd to see:Fanboys Writer Heading to Thundercade Rotten Tomatoes: News Today, 12:53 AMAnd click on it and end up at hollywood reporter or some other site. Could you guys put the actual site in there somewhere? Especially since some of us work places where certain sites are blocked.Thanks.
Apr 9 - 08:19 AM
yeah, i think people don't know how to post comments since it looks like the # of comments is freakishly low. c'mon...you cats gotta realize people like me, who b3tch all the time, aren't patient enough to find out how to post a comment. they probably just left the site instead of clicking on the wittle tiny 2ss #...
Apr 9 - 08:54 AM
I agree with Whiskeyriver, I enjoyed having news stories on RT with the option of going to the actual website.
Apr 9 - 09:14 AM
I'm not a fan of this new system at all. The whole reason I enjoyed reading the news on RT was because the staff did a good job of summarizing all of these articles as well as adding a touch of humor.
Now RT is just a directory of movie news items. I could probably go to google news, type in movies and get the same results. What a shame.
Apr 9 - 09:26 AM
I agree with Tommy6un. I will miss Jeff Giles' witty write-ups.
Apr 9 - 09:54 AM
Thanks, arendr. Very nice of you to say.
Apr 10 - 09:02 AM
...Well, after a day of use, I can honestly say that I'm not the biggest fan of the system. It is, indeed, a good idea...in theory. The more Rotten Tomatoes gets diluted by external, non-Rotten Tomatoes stuff, though, the more I feel like I lose the best parts of one of my (soon to be increasingly less) favorite sites.Like many others have already said, I can just go to movie news at other sites already in my bookmarks. But...isn't that just what your "filterers" do?I'm greatly disappointed in you, RT.
Apr 9 - 11:45 AM
what a retarded disaster this is. how impersonal. what a cop-out. yay, you guys saved yourselves from having to write summaries to the articles you're offering. wasn't that kind of a big part of the job? and having to click on the little number and then going a forum with that lame-a$$ summary? get real. just as i was getting used to the 'dazzling new RT' you guys pull the rug out from under me again. if it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT. or try to. now you've got me jumping around the web instead of staying within the confines of RT. and if i go to RT-only news, all it is is a couple stories and mostly just RT features. You guys are trying to do WAY more than is necessary. I trust you to pick the most interesting stories and make them pallettable for me. not just throw every story up and ask me to figure it out. It's your job to be selective and put the RT touch on these stories. The News portion of the site should not be a frickin universal index of all daily movie news. There's too much of it anyway. Way to lower your work load while making it seem like we're getting so much more.
Apr 9 - 09:56 AM
dahluzz, we're still filtering the news that goes up in the new ticker to bring you the most interesting/relevant news as it breaks. This new system does offer you more news, and in more timely fashion than before. We are still working things out - this is the first day of it going live -- so thanks for the comments and input, because we're definitely reading it all. Please keep them coming.
Apr 9 - 10:14 AM
Are you guys ever going to fix this broken comment-reply system? It's been in place for what, 8 months now? It still sucks but people have given up on saying anything about it because it doesn't seem like you guys are all that concerned about the feedback.
Apr 9 - 10:47 AM
Jen, Not to call you out personally, but you consistently defend everything done on this site in such a blind fashion. Not every decision made by RT is one worthy of your dogged (self conscious?) defense, least of all this one. RottenTomatoes needs to listen VERY closely, and actually comprehend, this next thing I say:People COME to Rotten Tomatoes to see the ratings, they STAY for the personality. The STAYING part is the one a website wants to achieve (revenue from clicking on ads, banners, "brand loyalty", etc.). That personality of RT that I speak so highly of was exhibited almost SOLELY in the news writeups. If it becomes just a clearinghouse of news writeups from other sites, people will NOT stick around. It will be become just another cold website devoid of any character. Yes yes, people will COME for the ratings, but they will split just as quickly. Like it was said above, one can achieve the same result of this new news "ticker" by doing one of two things: a.) Going to Google News and typing in the title of a film they are interested in, or b.) Actually go to one of these other sites INSTEAD of RT (/Film for instance) for their movie news (not an end result RT is looking for, to be sure)Why would anyone go out of their way to come here, only to be (surreptitiously) re-directed somewhere else? Only blind arrogance could lead RT to that conclusion. You may find it strange, but many of us actually ENJOYED the writeups you all provided. Further, to consistently and unwaveringly bemoan the death of the film critic/journalism, it is odd and more than a little ironic/contradictory/hypocritical to now pull the plug on the news-writing section of RT. It is just a piss poor idea, and one that should be re-thought before it is too late. I have recently made it a daily morning routine to come to RT for the news items, and the discussions they provoke. I, for one, will become a much less frequent visitor if all that exists are cheap and easy re-directs to other sites I could just opt to go to instead.~R.
Apr 9 - 10:56 AM
Why don't you just have the whole title of the article link to the comments page? Then from there have a "read full article" link instead of a "back to article" link (which doesn't make sense to me because if you go to the comments page, you might not have gone to the article in the first place so its not really going "back"). That way users will be inclined to leave comments and stay on RT for longer, which I'm sure is your goal.Although the IDEAL solution would to have full articles on other sites on RT itself, but I'm guessing there are copyright constraints to that.
Apr 9 - 11:28 AM
Hi whiskeyriver,Thanks for calling me out while "not" calling me out. In any case, I'm not blindly defending every change that's made here at RT; I'm just trying to tell you and others WHY those changes have been made. This announcement article was probably explanation enough about what we're doing, but I come on these threads to let you guys know that the editors are listening to you all. Believe it or not, I do not make these decisions myself. But I understand the reasons behind them a bit more. I completely agree with you that "People COME to Rotten Tomatoes to see the ratings, they STAY for the personality." At least, that's our hope. We write lots of things here, from features to countdown lists to columns like Meet a Critic and Total Recall -- and we're all very proud of those pieces of original writing. There was previously an average of 5 news items per day; I personally liked that we put our own spin on things, and I think that definitely contributed to our RT personality. But this new way, we apply the same process to movie news as we do to reviews. You get the news we flag as essential and relevant, and there will be lots more of it. If that's not something that interests you, then thank you for telling us so. It's a new and significant change; as I mentioned, we are still ironing things out and hope that you and others find it a useful tool. As for the "contradiction" that I am/RT is bemoaning the decline of the critic but cutting our own original writing, well, that's a bit of a stretch for you to have made. The articles I've written on the Disappearing Critic have been posted because I (and the rest of the editors) care about the issue and think it important to anyone who values critics/reviews. We will continue to write these articles and others like it. I'm glad you noticed them. Please keep reading those pieces. It's just the news items -- repurposed articles that are not really original nor exclusive -- that are being phased out. Every other movie site out there writes those articles, whether or not they broke them first or if they're original, even if they don't necessarily add anything of their own on the topic. That's fine, that's their prerogative. But we want to offer our readers more than just a selection of repurposed news. I'm glad you liked reading the news articles we were writing - Jeff Giles (and before him, Scott Weinberg) is an entertaining and insightful writer, and he'll continue to contribute to RT. Since you are so passionate on the matter, I hope that you will continue to read our original articles - my Meet a Critic yesterday with Alonso Duralde, Tim Ryan and Alex Vo's Total Recall column -- because to be honest, those original pieces need your support. I hope others will follow in suit and get to know RT's editorial for its truly original and fun and informative writing. And if those articles don't float your boat, let us know what you'd like to see. Sorry for the long response. There's a lot to discuss here, and I really want to have this conversation with you, whiskey, and anyone else who's willing.
Apr 9 - 11:49 AM
Thanks, alsanali. That's a great suggestion and we're talking about it now.
Apr 9 - 11:53 AM
I think I'm jumping on the "this sucks" bandwagon. RT is the only site I visit more than once a day, besides Myspace. This new development already makes me less excited to check it out. Please, go back to the way it used to be.
Apr 9 - 12:39 PM
I must agree with much of what whiskyriver said. This development has my dander up so far I went and tried to create a profile so I could comment (turns out I already had a long dormant profile account). I started coming to rt for the ratings, but have since found the site a daily stop where I check to see interesting news developments, and I come here much less often for the reviews. The key word in the above sentence is 'interesting'. There are so many articles in the ticker right now, and honestly... very few I give darn about. Now I can hear the defense mounting that you guys are just trying to provide as much movie news as possible, and after all what I find uninteresting some others might find as being the most titilating. BUT... I found ALL the news interesting before, not because the information itself was something I just needed to know, rather it was the humorous and insightful manner in which it was delivered. Some of these other sites do not flesh out each news item so that someone unfamiliar to the topic will be engaged. Case in point: the twitch article up there now about the babylon ad film being cut. Why should I even care? I have never heard of this film, nor do they provide enough background detail about the director, plot, or development history to make me care about the film. Before I could read an excellent little summary and, if still interested, could follow the link for even more details. Don't get me wrong... I read and understand your desire to do more than just 're-purpose' news articles, problem is I think you already were.
Apr 9 - 01:07 PM
Not a huge fan of the new format, but what can you do? I would say make the RT News the default tab, not the All News. I don't care about most of the stuff in the All News, but still like to read most of the RT News, just because it is filtered and the crap is taken out. I still like the website overall, everything just seems to be getting one additional click away. That said, I still don't like the way the "reply" thing works, it needs something a little more descriptive. It's annoying having to go back and research what it is everyone is replying to. Overall, the site is good. Little changes will annoy those of us who are partial to the way things used to be, but I can't imagine they'd be 'business destroying.'
Apr 9 - 02:43 PM
"...make the RT News the default tab, not the All News."Good call, Merlin235. I concur and was just thinking the same thing. :)
Apr 9 - 03:51 PM
Nice suggestion, guys. Well, it's good to know that you all enjoyed the news items we were writing up before. Thanks, and keep the thoughts coming.
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