Oblivion

Kudos to Ryan Allen and Mitchell Nash for thoughtful and patient replies. If there is one major complaint of Oblivion, it is the dearth of daftness and unsophistication of many movie goers who saw it. Jack Harper last quotes were missing one important line. "I am home...and it isn't the stupid place that was rumored to exist before all this shit happened." (Adversity makes for cleverness).
I loved this frigging movie...capital LOVE this. After spending years, faithfully riveted to JJ Abrahms "Lost", I can only hope that a few enterprising, narrative loving, sci-fi action aficionados, start a movement to adapt this for the networks. Hell if StarGate can get picked up for multiple years...this could be a block buster. Strong themes of humanity vs. robotic pariahs, love triumphing over extreme odds (and cloning), the trials and tribulations of the starving-driven-enterprising human survivors...is perfect fodder for more. AND I WANT TO SEE MORE!
This movie was smart, slick, grand, thought provoking had some great twists which kept me thoroughly engaged. To say nothing of the great M83 soundtrack which hit this out of the park and the perfect compliment and anchor to the human/technology themes. The use of synth/techno under-beats with the classical strings was frigging perfect. (I'm editing my French).
This was so much better than Tron...I'm hoping that director Joe Kosinski or his backers...have learned his/their lesson and won't be deterred. There is a gaping need for smart, thrilling, over-coming the odds, narrative rich stories as this. I hope this is a great success overseas, where audiences favor sophistication and surreal epics.

May 8 - 12:25 AM

Richard Babulal

look at movie it is all there just listen and look damn good movie not for anyone who want mind numbing crap

May 5 - 11:46 PM

Justin Downing

I think they need another movie just to explain what happened in this movie. From a guy who understood Inception in the first go around, some aspects in this movie make NO sense.

May 5 - 09:42 PM

Frederick Sabbs

My question is what was the original mission of 'the commander'? We discover that Titan was not real, so why did a ship with a bunch of sleeping pods go into space originally?

May 4 - 08:40 PM

Mitchell Nash

The Earth colony on Titan where the remaining humans were was not real, but the mission to Titan to go explore that moon WAS real.

May 6 - 12:26 PM

Ryan Allen

1. what was the reason for the invasion?

Resources; both human and material.

2. if it was for the earth's resources, then why was there a need to clone a colony of Tom Cruises and Andrea Risboroughs in the first place?
3. how did those aliens get to earth in the 1st place if they needed human maintenance?

The clue is found in the words "Are you still an effective team?" Sally (Melissa Leo) created clones to basically maintain her drones. Her drones were only capabile of defending the resource gatherers and terminating humans but - as we learned from the film they are completely retarded with minimal AI and massive firepower - and in need of constant maintaince. That's what Jack (Tom Cruise) and Victoria (Andrea Riseborough) did. They were programmed by Sally with only one purpose. Sally of course being a machine didn't take into account human memories.

4. where did Olga Kurylenko come from?

She came from the NASA Odyssey ejected into to space some 60 years earlier by Jack. Jack told Victoria before ejecting it that NASA would beacon them back to earth. Only problem is after the Tet came to earth nobody was left (in an official NASA capacity) to beacon it back. The beacon was set up by Beech (Morgan Freeman) to pull her back to earth. He saw something in this clone that he thought if he could just bring down his wife the clone might have total memory recall. But he also brought down the Odyssey because he knew there was a reactor that could be combined with a drone's fuel cell to create an atomic bomb.

5. Tom Cruise's character was obviously the 49th clone of the original. no way in hell that Olga was the original Olga.
6. she must've been cloned by the aliens too right?
7. then why didn't the aliens just pair Tom and Olga right at the beginning?

She is the original Julia that was ejected into space by Jack just before Jack and Victoria were captured by the Tetrahedron.

8. then for some reason, the 50th clones of Tom and Andrea were carrying a pod containing Olga and other humans. what was that flight for?

Victoria was never in the ship with Jack. Only Jack returned to his tower with Julia, his real wife. Remember Victoria's clones were programmed to never leave the tower and to assist Jack (as Sally observed on the Odessey bridge). If Victoria left the tower they would "not be an effective team".

9. the next clones we see are 52. where was 51?

After Sally's victory Earth was divided up into regions with each region being assigned one Jack and Victoria clone, and a tower to manage their activities and communicate with Sally. To prevent each Jack (again, Victoria was not programmed to leave the tower) from venturing into other regions a fake high-radiation zone field were erected. Each Jack was warned that if they passed the barrier they would burn up instantly. It seems region 49 was surrounded by several regions. That Jack 49 encountered Jack 52 is simply happenstance.

The only question I have is what happened with the other clones after they lost their connection to Sally, all the drones and harvestors stopped, and they noticed the fireball in the heavens? Did they aimless walk the planet? Did they stay with Victoria (since she was not programmed to leave the tower)? Did they eventually meet survivors in other lands? Did they ever resolve the memories of Julia? How long do they live? Do they eventually encounter Julia after earth is rebuilt?

10. Morgan Freeman called Tom "commander." Did that mean that the original Tom was the commander of the resistance? and if so, how old must Morgan's character have been?

Jack was the commander of the NASA Odyssey mission 60 years ago. Only Jack and Victoria were awake when they approached the Tetrahedron ship. Everyone else, including Jack's wife Julia, remained in cyro. Those cyro pods that were destroyed on the planet where those of the original crew.

11. and if so, how old must Morgan's character have been?

Beech explains he was a young soldier when the invasion occurred and he remembers thousands of Jack clone all programmed to kill without feeling or remorse.

12. Tom 52 found Olga. would Olga still enjoy fucking Tom 52 or would it not be the same as Tom 49? and can Tom 52 fk Tom 49's daughter or would it be considered incest? srsly, so many questions and no one bothering to answer them.

It isn't made clear if the pregnancy happened before her hibernation with the real Jack or if she and Jack 49 conceived from spending one night together before returning to the rebel camp. In either case she knew Jack 52 saw Jack 49 and over the course of 3 years discovered who and what he was. And he set out to find his wife.

The movie isn't hard to follow.

Apr 23 - 02:50 PM

Richard Babulal

you got it right bro and i am not a fan of tom cruise but appreciate a good story

May 5 - 11:53 PM

Brian Chesney

I SEEN DA MOVIE, YO ANSHERS HERE:
1) INVADE TO KILL HUMANS
2) CLONED TO MAKE ARMY OF TOM CRUISES TO DESTROY ALL HUMANS FIRST
3) IT WAS A PRE-PROGRAMMED PROBE SENT TO EARTH TO STEAL RESOURCES, NOT ANY PHYSICAL ALIENS SHOWED UP AT ALL.

NEXT PARAGRAP:

4) OLGA CAME FROM THE SPACE SHIP IN A SLEEP CAPSULE THAT PURUGATED HER LIFE FROM GROWING OLDER
5) OLGA WAS FROZEN AND DIDN'T AGE FOR 50 YEARS. SHE WAS THE ORIGINAL.
6) TOM CRUISE EJECTED THE HALF OF THEIR SPACE SHIP. OLGA AND THE OTHER AUSTRANOTS WERE SENT BACK TO ORBIT EARTH WHILE SLEEPING. THE ALIENS NEVER HAD OLGA TO CLONE EVER.

NEXT PARAGRAPH

6) THAT WAS A SCENE OF THE 50 YEARS PAST BEFORE EARTH WAS DESTROYED. BEFORE THEY MET THE ALIENS.

7) THERE WERE HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF CLONES. THEY DIDN'T SHOW CLONE NUMBER 357 BECAUSE HE WAS BUSY HUMPING THAT DOG. THAT SCENE IS NOT VERY INTERESTING.

8) MORGAN IS FUCKING OLD, ALL HIS CHARACTERS MUST BE FUCKING OLD. HOW FUCKING OLD IS FUCKING OLD. IT'S GOD DAMN FUCKING OLD THAT HE WAS BORN INTO SLAVERY BACK IN THE 1700'S.

8)YES, ALL MEN REGARDLESS OF HOW UGLY WOMAN ARE... WILL ALWAYS FUCK THAT LAST WOMAN ON EARTH.

9) TOM 52 CAN FUCK 49'S DAUGHTER.

10) NOBODY CARED WHEN ADAM FUCKED EVE AND THEIR CHILDREN PERFORMED INCEST. WHY WOULD THAT MATTER?

I HOPE THESE ANSWERS ALL 10 OF YORU QUESTIONS, K THANKS, BUY

Apr 23 - 03:15 AM

Mitchell Nash

Answer 10 is legit.

Apr 23 - 01:36 PM

Leo Monteiro

Did you even watch the movie? Are you functionally retarded?

Apr 22 - 07:46 PM

Mitchell Nash

I used this line for him, "Bro, do you even brain?!"

Apr 22 - 11:07 PM

David Tanny

Okay, Mitch. We get it. You're a master of comedy. No need to repeat the same joke to everyone.

Apr 22 - 11:43 PM

Mitchell Nash

Bro, do you even complain?

Apr 23 - 01:54 AM

David Tanny

I just did.

Apr 23 - 07:46 AM

Mitchell Nash

Bro, do you even... yeah.

Take that.

Apr 23 - 01:29 PM

Mitchell Nash

Seriously, the majority of your complaints are your own lack of understanding of the story [or basic logic, it seems]. There are plenty of legitimate plot holes you could complain about, but instead your's are like, "can Tom 52 fk Tom 49's daughter?"

"then how the fk did those aliens get to earth in the 1st place if they needed human maintenance?"

What?... the aliens don't need maintenance. The drones need maintenance. The drones and the aliens that attacked Earth are not the same thing. They were most likely made by the 'Tet' after they destroyed the moon.

"but wait, where the fk did Olga Kurylenko come from? Tom Cruise's character was obviously the 49th clone of the original. no way in hell that Olga was the original Olga. so she must've been cloned by the aliens too right? if so, then why didn't the aliens just pair Tom and Olga right at the beginning? it would've avoided all this drama and Tom and Olga would've been obliviously happy following the myth the aliens fed them."

She came from the space mission to Titan, where they found out about and tried to intercept the 'Tet'. Jack ejected the rest of the space ship before they got 'sucked into' the 'Tet'. How they were able to eject the escape pod is beyond me [look, an actual PLOT HOLE! :O ] seeing as how the whole ship earlier couldn't escape. She's just been in space for the past 60 years. She wasn't cloned. If you paid attention you'd know this. Also, we don't know that Jack from zone 49 is the '49th' clone or not, just that he's designated to zone 49. Derp.

"then for some reason, the 50th clones of Tom and Andrea were carrying a pod containing Olga and other humans. what was that flight for?"

What?... what the fuck are you talking about the 50th clones are carrying a pod? What flight? Are you talking about the scene that shows the space mission to Titan with the original Jack? Perhaps instead of asking about plot holes, you should just ask for help understanding what even HAPPENED in the movie.

"the next clones we see are 52. where was 51?"

What?... No. That's a dumb question. They don't have to go in sequential order. Like I said before, the clones are just in designated zones. The number is moot, honestly. It could have been 347 for all that matters, it's just to show that there's more than one Jack [so he realizes he's a clone] and they each have different numbers/areas.

"so, let me get this straight. she was in cryosleep the whole time, orbiting around the earth, and the ship just crashed after 49 clones of Jack Harper?"

Yes, she was in delta sleep the whole time. We don't know if she was orbiting Earth or not, we just know she was near enough to get to Earth between when the signal was sent by the remaining humans and Jack finding her ship. The humans most likely sent it down for a reason, to see how Jack would react to seeing her. It didn't 'just crash after 49 clones'. Again, the clones aren't made in sequential order nor does her crashing have anything to do with what number Jack has been designated with. All the clones were most likely cloned at the same time. Did you see how many were on the 'Tet'? They most likely recycle them often. They WERE 2 weeks away from going to 'Titan', as the 'Tet' would have them believe.

"the main jack Harper was tech-49. the Jack Harper at the ending was tech-52. do the math dumbass. tech-49 was the 49th clone of the original Jack Harper. tech-52 was the 52nd. somewhere between 49 and 52 there were 2 other clones produced."

I've explained this before. They're not in sequential order. Derp.

"who did the maintaining then while they were travelling from home planet to Earth?"

Who did the maintaining of what? Are you seriously saying that you think the drones arrived on Earth before the 'Tet' got to Earth? The 'Tet' took the space mission to Titan, they blew up the moon, watched us die, they used the clones to kill off the remaining humans, then they used the clones to do 'maintenance' on the droids. Other people have gone into more detail on this in this forum. You could also be saying that the droids are the things inside the 'Tet' when it travelled from their planet to ours. This doesn't make much sense. They most likely made the droids after they studied our world for a bit. Droids =/= aliens. Those droids might as well just be something those aliens made/built. We're not sure what exactly those aliens are. They're most likely machines [but different than the droids].

Bro, do you even brain?!

Apr 20 - 10:28 PM

Mitchell Nash

Yes, I meant to be a bit of a dick on purpose. I was annoyed by how your questions either didn't make sense or were mostly your failure to understand the movie instead of actual questions about the plot.

Apr 20 - 10:46 PM

Benjamin Mein

"How they were able to eject the escape pod is beyond me [look, an actual PLOT HOLE! :O ] seeing as how the whole ship earlier couldn't escape."

How is this a plot hole? The Tet used some sort of tractor beam to attract the command module of the ship Jack was flying. When he ejected the sleeper pod it fell away to orbit and the command module continued to move toward the Tet. The Tet has full control over its tractor beam, it can control the beam as it so desires.
If all the comments on plot holes regarding Oblivion are based in similar concept as your statement here....my hope for the human race is twindling

Apr 21 - 12:04 AM

Benjamin Mein

My questions or questions of those that didnt understand simple concepts of the movie?

Apr 21 - 11:11 PM

Mitchell Nash

I understand the 'Tet' used something akin to a tractor beam, but from what I recall there was nothing explicitly shown to the audience that would suggest the 'Tet' was only going after the command module up until Jack ejects the pod with the rest of the crew in delta sleep.

It leaves you wondering how Jack would know ejecting the pods would even work since seemingly the whole ship would be in the tractor beam and not just the command module. It's something that could easily be explained in a line or two of dialogue, or even a shot of stress being put on the link between the command module and the rest of the ship, but instead the audience just has to accept it, thinking, "Oh, I guess it was only targeting the command module for some reason..." Not so much a plot hole as I've labelled it [in my defence I was just trying to be snarky toward Jao] as it was something that didn't make much sense and could have been explained through dialogue or a shot or two.

As for the pod 'falling away', I may have missed dialogue where they said the pods would be in orbit once ejected. The wide shots of the spaceship didn't show Earth anywhere nearby, so we're to assume that this is in our solar system somewhere between the orbits of Earth and Jupiter, but far enough away from those planets so they'd only appear as specks in the distance. It doesn't make much sense for the pods to go all the way back to Earth only to stay in orbit once it gets there [staying in orbit for 60 years].

We're supposed to believe the pods were just chilling in space somewhere this whole time, close enough to Earth that they could get there within a short amount of time of getting the signal the remaining humans sent out, yet far enough away that the 'Tet' wouldn't bother with them, seeing as how it's constantly in orbit above the planet?

This is even ignoring the idea that Jack would have instant communication with NASA back on Earth even though they'd literally be 'light minutes' apart, meaning it'd take a few minutes for any signal from either party to reach its destination. Real time conversations can't happen that far away. There would be major time delays. :P

Honestly though, not much of this really matters. It's a movie. It's pretty much impossible to make a work of science-fiction without having plot holes, errors, or just issues of some sort. I managed to really enjoy it in spite of these things, and so have you [heck, you gave it 100%].

Rest easy, Benjamin. Your hope for the human race doesn't have to 'twindle'. :P

Apr 22 - 02:28 AM

Benjamin Mein

Valid comments there. As they were on a mission to Titan and then diverted to the Tet, we could assume the sleeper pod was somewhere between Saturn and Earth. We don't have any clear reason to think the Tet was only after Jack and Victoria, but if the purpose was for cloning, as we knew it was from the movie, the Tet would only need one or two people. As for the sleeper pod drifting in space, another assumption on my part would be, that while the sleeper pod may not have active propulsion, it would have possibly be designed to return to earth, this would take some time....say 60 years maybe....
Anyway your right, there are alot of unanswered questions in Oblivion which could be answered with a few lines of dialogue, I dont need them. Call me naive, or call me imaginative, but there are some movies I can watch and enjoy even with a few little holes. It is just a movie, but I loved it. You seem like an intelligent individual making asking genuine questions so I will agree to disagree with you on some.
Apologies for my earlier comments.
PS. It was meant to say 'dwindle'
Peace.

Apr 22 - 07:54 AM

Mitchell Nash

Derp. Whenever I said Jupiter, I meant Saturn. Oops. Not sure why I messed that up. Aha.

For as much effort as I put into typing those long comments, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Those small things really didn't bother me all too much. I too assumed the sleeper pod just took 60 years to finally make it back to Earth and the remaining humans used a signal to make sure that it landed in Jack 49's zone.

The intentions of the 'Tet' was never fully explained, but I liked that. I would have rather not have Jack give so much exposition about the plot to the audience in the beginning of the film. I would have liked to piece it together as it went [although the trailers gave away a good deal of tat exposition already].

In Joseph Kosinski's graphic novel [or at least the 2010 version of it], the 'Tet' was a giant 'White Cube' that was originally meant to go to planets to form them so they were inhabitable for an alien race, one that had actually gone extinct a long time ago and would never arrive. If a small part of that were kept intact, that may explain why the 'Tet' was basically a machine. In the movie I too just assumed they only wanted Jack and Victoria to clone. The actions of the 'Tet' were all based on finding an efficient and effective way of getting the resources of the Earth. You've gone into detail about this already lower in this thread, though, so I'll stop here [I agree with that view]. :P

I don't think we disagree on as many things as we think. :P Perhaps I was being a bit too defensive in my earlier comment. The 'twindle' thing was me being an ass. Aha. I knew what you meant.

Do you have a thread where you talk about the things you've enjoyed about the movie? If so, direct to to there. I'd like to participate. :)

Apr 22 - 12:23 PM

Lexie Gutierrez

First of all, YoloSwag(can't get much toolier than that) needs to calm down. I don't know what kind of anger management issues you have going on, but some serious medication is needed. Second, I have a question about the ending. Is it implied that Olga would end up with Jack 52? Jack 49 and 52 aren't the same people, yes they are both clones of the same person, but they have different experiences and memories. 2) What happened to Jack 52's Victoria? The same thing that happened to Jack 49's Victoria? How did Jack 52 find out about the resistance? And are there more survivors scattered all around the world? Yeah, probably. What happened to the other 50 or thousands or however many Jacks there are? Suddenly the "Tet" blows up. Do they believe that they are the lat survivors? That would suck.

Apr 20 - 09:50 PM

Mitchell Nash

I'll ignore your comments about YOLO SWAG as you seem to be unaware that they're trolling. :P

Yes, it's implies she'd end up with Jack '52', or at least that he'd try to be with her. They only have different Earth-bound experiences and memories. The ones that stuck in the clone's head might be similar for all we know. We definitely know that Jack 52 remembers her. We see it in his facial expression when he looks at her in the desert. Not sure what happens past the ending of the movie.

She probably reported that Jack was offline or something to the 'Tet', who would send droids to go searching for him. I doubt she would have been killed in the short amount of time between things went badly for Jack 52 and the 'Tet' being blown up. Jack 52 probably found out about the resistance by him searching for Julia, as he now knows she exists and wants to find her.

I think the remaining Jacks would eventually figure things out as the 'scav' can now let them know who they really are as the droids are no longer functional [another Phantom Menace type ending, where the droids only work because of the mother ship... ugh... it didn't even make sense in The Avengers, I thought they were aliens, not cyborgs/droids/whatever].

I didn't really mind that Victoria died. I mean, that bitch dropped the flower over the side of the building. I didn't like her at first, but that's when I hated her. Lol.

Apr 20 - 10:45 PM

Bea V

So Mitchell Nash, why are you defending the movie ? Must mean you absolutely loved it. The movie was extremely flawed...and poorly made. Yes beautiful scenes and score..but it doesnt make up for the poor acting and gigantic holes in the plot.

Interesting concept I agree, but done in a horrible fashion. A better version would be: --Pick a better actor like Matt Damon. Tom Cruise was simply horrific, he couldnt even kiss the both actresses in a passionate way let alone act like he was in love.
Stay with the concept, but add more depth and storyline.
Completely delete the first hour with Vica and Jack Harper doing nonsensical activities that bored us to tears. It was tedious.
MORE (more more more) background on the surviving humans on earth, we needed to feel their pain, see their struggles, be with them on the camera level instead of shifting the storyline back to Jack and his sperm-shaped flying ship.

Horribly made but I will agree that the concept was at least interesting.

Apr 22 - 02:01 PM

Mitchell Nash

Meh. I liked the movie, I didn't absolutely love it. Joseph Kosinski seem to care a lot more about tone and how a movie looks. Doesn't seem to be emotion oriented. I'm fine with that and knew what to expect going in to watch the movie. I actually enjoyed the slower parts of Jack just going about his daily business. As for my previous comment, I'm not defending the movie so much as helping explain what happened. I can forgive the plot holes and the other things.

Lucky for you Matt Damon will be in a sci-fi movie later this year. :)

Apr 22 - 11:07 PM

John Tyler

Dude, chillax, it's just a fucking movie!

Apr 20 - 04:34 PM

The Master of Movies

yeah...it's your focusing on the pot holes and not on the movie.Movie goers nowadays.Can't sit down and enjoy a movie...

May 5 - 01:53 AM

Joe Adamson

1. The thing is essentially Galactus. It converts water to free hydrogen in those big converters for fusion reaction and eats /stores the energy for its trip to the next planet. This behavior is stated in the prologue. We don't know what we're seeing at the center of the Tet except that it is not humanoid.

2. The clone army is an efficiency tool. Bio-reactors are cheap, so clones are easy to make plentifully, know the species and its society so as to better invade, defeat and ferret out any survivors. The trouble caused by a few determined resistance fighters is an example of why keeping the clones available to take care of field damage while keeping an eye out for stragglers is a good idea. They can still infiltrate, provide intel and recon, and handle a quick boo-boo.

3. They clone teams are kept unaware of each other by the "radiation zones." To be an effective team against counter-forces, they have to have a high level of self-awareness and access to their "memories". Finding clones of themselves all over could create problems that might escalate before the Tet could prevent it and replace them.

4. Jack was the famous mission leader/pilot of the mission to Titan, hence Commander. That mission was redirected when the Tet was detected. When the first encounter started getting hairy, Jack jettisoned the back half of the ship with the suspended animation "delta sleep" lifepods of the other crew members. It presumably auto-piloted back towards Earth, where the Resistance sent a homing signal to return the crew to Earth. Jack 49 saves only "his" wife.

5. resistance leader says he was young in the service when the invasion occurred. If he was 17-20 plus 60 years, he'd be 77-80; Morgan Freeman is actually a healthy-looking 75, so the age works.

6. It's a shame you got pulled into the language used for the incest lesson. taboo on incest is protective of genetic diversity and psychological health, so with the Jacks all being duplicates, getting it on with Uncle Jack52 would not be a good idea for the Jack49 daughter, lest she find out and flip out or bear his unhealthy child.

Apr 18 - 03:46 AM

Erich Hanson

I believe Joe's summary is right on. My only remaining question is whether the Jack that shows up at the lake house in the end is Tech 49 or 52? 49 knocked out 52, switched suits and tied him up. Did 52 go get a new suit after he escaped, or did 49 somehow get 52 to go up to the Tet with Morgan Freeman? I'll need to watch it again to look at the suit number of the Jack that blows up on the Tet.

Apr 20 - 02:56 PM

Mitchell Nash

He's Tech 52 that shows up. Since he doesn't know where the house was it took him 3 years to find it. I don't remember 49 him switched suits with 52. I thought he only tied him up.

Apr 20 - 09:53 PM

YOLO SWAG

Wow, you are fucking retarded.
Do us all a favor and kill yourself, seriously.

1. They got to earth by destroying the moon, which caused all the natural disasters, which killed almost everyone.

2. She was put in a fucking cryosleep, while the vessel she was in, was orbiting Earth. If you didn't have fucking Down's syndrome, then it would all have been pretty clear, you fucker. She is the ORIGINAL and the ONLY one of herself, fucking turd.

3. There is no fucking reference to any #50. They probably exist, but it has nothing to do with anything. And fucking learn to use the character's names instead. And fucking learn to read what you're typing out so we can understand the fucking shit that comes out of your mouth that's accustomed to sucking dicks all day, lil faggot.

4. See above. Where was #4234234, #5, #38, #6934? Who gives a fuck, it's not relevant, nor does it add to anything.

5. Jack was commander of the space exploration team. Beech is 102.

6. Fucking grab a gun, and shoot yourself in the head.

Apr 15 - 11:10 PM

Jao Romero

1. they got to earth by destroying the moon? umm. how did destroying the moon get them to earth? from where? i'm assuming they have to travel from somewhere.
2. so, let me get this straight. she was in cryosleep the whole time, orbiting around the earth, and the ship just crashed after 49 clones of Jack Harper?
3. the main jack Harper was tech-49. the Jack Harper at the ending was tech-52. do the math dumbass. tech-49 was the 49th clone of the original Jack Harper. tech-52 was the 52nd. somewhere between 49 and 52 there were 2 other clones produced.
4. i give a fuck.
5. i see.
6. no

Apr 15 - 11:47 PM

YOLO SWAG

1. They have those fucking planes, you know, the thing that Jack flew on, if you fucking watched the movie.
They created the drones to KILL ALL HUMANS, so they obviously didn't build them until they stationed the Tet just outside of Earth, hence there being no need for maintenance.
How the hell else do you think aliens come to earth? Climb a massive ladder down?
Jesus Fucking Christ, man.

2. The Scavs had only just recently sent the signal from the Empire State Building, giving the coordinates of the landing. Jack then cut the signal.
It really doesn't look like you've fucking watched the movie at all.

3. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
All the Jacks and Victorias are given specific zones, so that they'd never meet by accident("radiation zone").
They probably stayed in their towers, stop being so fucking anal about things that don't fucking matter, and enjoy the fucking movie, prick.
The one he fought in the desert could've been #23423423423, why does it matter? What happened to the other millions of Jack's? No one cares, because it's fucking irrelevant and pointless to discuss, it's not a fucking "plot hole" like you make it out to be.

4. I don't.

5. I'm glad you do.

6. Yes.

Apr 16 - 01:30 AM

Jacklord Alan Keen

You care too much for plot holes...

Apr 15 - 10:26 PM

Jao Romero

i like my movies nicely explained and all plotlines resolved neatly. or at least if open-ended, done well.

Apr 15 - 11:48 PM

Sam B

As Yolo Swag said about the clones, if you remember correctly "Sally" strictly said to Tech-49 Jack that passing the "Radiation Zone" is very dangerous (probably kills him?). Anyways, Malcolm (Morgan) says to Tech-49 Jack that he'll find his "answers" in the supposedly "high radiation zone". What happens when he goes there? That's right, he doesn't die or anything and instead finds a Jack who is similar to him - enter Tech 52. Now what was all this "Radiation Zone" thing? Just a stupid barrier that divides the Earth into small parts and in each part there is a Jack clone at work, the Tech-52 Jack he encountered could've been 51, 64, 3, 45 etc. It doesn't matter. Tech-49 Jack just entered the "52's patrol area".

Apr 18 - 01:06 PM

David Chiang

Dude, you make my head hurt. All your questions aren't that well thought out is it? I'd love to answer but the answers are so obvious it'd be explaining why the sky is blue. I'll elaborate further if you'd take the time to re-think your questions. Seriously.

Apr 15 - 10:37 AM

Jao Romero

1. were the aliens a machine race?
2. what was their purpose in invading earth?
3. why the need to clone and maintain a colony of Jack Harpers and Victorias? to maintain the drones? who did the maintaining then while they were travelling from home planet to Earth? how did they get to earth in the first place if they needed human assistance for daily maintenance?

Apr 15 - 11:55 PM

Christiaan Beglinger

1. We don't know, although I want to say no. I get the feeling that these machines are merely designed to scavenge energy sources from around the universe.
2. Again, scavenging (energy) sources. The best lies are those which contain the most truth. I bet this is one of those cases. Why make it more difficult than it has to be?
3. I agree that this part is kind of thin. If the alien machine can clone humans and create robots, specifically made to function on Earth, how hard could it be to create 'maintenance robots'? However, it's important you understand that the trip to our solar system should be seen seperate from the daily activities here on Earth.

Apr 16 - 02:14 AM

Benjamin Mein

3. The purpose of the Tet, as explained by Beech, was to move from planet to planet endlessly harvesting each ones resources. To effectively achieve this, one would want to preserve its materials and energy as much as possible. Hence, cloning an army made from the target planets species (i.e human) and using that said army to destroy the inhabitants is far more efficient than using the Tet's own materials (i.e drones) to take over the planet.
Once the ground work had been done, the Tet then employed (tricked) a bunch of intelligent clones into enforcing and eliminating the last remnants of humanity. Wouldn't an organism familiar with the target planet be the best one to do the job of killing any 'alien' they might come in contact with? The Tet is only after the sea water for energy, it doesn't want to waste a tonne of drones guarding its 'Hydrorigs', forever pissing out energy. Better to use just a few and have and intelligent creature fix the ones that break.
How do we know the Tet didn't already try and just use drones but found them alone to be ineffective against the surviving humans? In which case it later developed the drone/repairman clone strategy? Beech tells us that after the clone invasion phase 2 was the drones, but there is no mention of whether this phase started with just drones or drones and clones together. An intelligent creature such as the Tet would surely be able to adapt to situations no?
These explanations might not be up to your standard or satisfy any lingering need for answers you might have, in which case I suggest you stay away from any future movies which may confuse you. Part of watching a film is enjoying it and coming to your own conclusions when some questions are not completely answered for you. I believe its called imagination. However, many of the questions you had were fully answered in the film and by almost all of the reply posts on this forum. So when it comes to a genuine question, which I will grant you, number 3 is, I don't really expect you to be able to come up with an imaginative answer for yourself. Good luck with any more movies you may see in the future.

Apr 18 - 01:13 PM

April Thornton

I think out of all of the posts in this thread, you put it very well. I think you are right about the Tet using human clones as a way of elminiating the human race b/c it's easier that way than using it's own resources. Yes, the movie did have a lot of things half-explained and really made you question and think about what it all really meant. There were some genuine plot that left me wondering but I think the movie was very engaging. It would've been cool to get a description of what the "Tet" really was. Was it really a sentient machine or did it used to be an organic being and gradually evolved into this? Something similar to the aliens in the 2001: A Space Odyssey. It was never mentioned in the movie but the books and Stanly Kubrick suggested that they once were like humans then evolved into machines and then pure energy beings. I wonder if that's what the tet was trying to be.

Another thing that had me thinking was, exactly where was Julia's life pod at the point of when Jack ejected her crew to when the ship crashed. I went to another forum and some people were saying that when the pod was ejected, it actually was between Saturn and Earth and this is why it took 60 years for her ship to come back to earth. I thought that sounded more feasible than for the ship to just be floating around earth waiting for someone to radio it down.

And what about Vica/Victoria's eyes being permanently dilated? I thought that was a little weird. When Beech was talking about how Tech #49 was different b/c he read the book and rescued Julia, he mentioned that Jack had a soul, whereas the previous clones did not or just werent that curious. And Jack's pupils are regular. I wonder if Vica was different. Im sure she had memories but I wonder if she was more under the control of the Tet as opposed to Jack. She never questioned anything or wanted to come down to earth. She was not an alien but she did not act like a human... weird..

I wonder if there were other suvivors who were as old or older than Beech who could remember the Jack clones killing innocent humans? See it would've been interesting to see people who were hostile to Jack b/c of what the tet did him or hims. Just to kind of see the opposite of Beech's benvelance. It can't be all happy dory in a post-apcalyptic dystopian movie like this.

Overall, I thought the movie was interesting. Yes, there were scenes that reminded me of ID4, Wall-E, The Matrix, and for some reason, Six Days (Arnold and his clone).

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