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See Saw with Alex, Day 4: Saw IV
An uptick after III.
by Alex Vo | October 20, 2009
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Day Three: Saw IV

Suspecting they would have large significance in later sequels, I yesterday refrained from commenting on Saw III's plethora of useless shots. The camera's fixation on Agent Hoffman (Costas Mandylor), barely above a bit player in part three. Amanda reading a letter. Jigsaw pouring candle wax on a tape. All of these are meant to clue us in to later events in the series, but taking Saw III as a standalone movie (a test that, I believe, all movie sequels have a responsibility to meet), these moments were just dead weight that contributed to an already slow, putrid movie.

All Saw sequels cannibalize previous entries by twisting past events on their head but at least II and IV were good at doing so. There was no point in IV where I was drawn out of the movie because the filmmakers were flagrant and obvious about dumping story material into the movie to be expounded later on. In fact, Saw IV was rather thrilling, easily the most tightly paced of the series so far.

That's quite a feat since it has a quadruple story thread. There's John Kramer's origin, tracking his depressing arc from distinguished gentleman with a hot wife 20 years his junior to crazed Jigsaw. We find out Eric Matthews (Donnie Wahlberg) is alive, in a trap with Hoffman. There's also Rigg (Lyriq Bent), long-time series survivor racing to avenge Kerry's death and save Matthews. And then we have Agent Strahm (Scott Patterson), a newcomer agent interrogating Jigsaw's wife, Jill.
Each storyline in IV is a unique contributor to the movie overall. Rigg's citywide quest is structured like Jeff's journey in Saw III (a series of room-to-room tests), but Rigg is the tragic figure Jeff was meant to be. His burning desire to rescue Matthews and avenge Kerry is palpable because, hey, we've seen all the Saw movies. But he's so clearly doomed from jump street and it gives IV an edge of sad fatalism.

Resurrecting Eric Matthews has the guise of being a real crowd pleaser, as we all hope he'll escape and exact some revenge. Instead, his head gets crushed by two ice blocks. Awesome, and truly merciless.

I've liked Patterson since Gilmore Girls and when I heard that he had been cast in a Saw movie back in 2007, I took pity. But, you know what; it's a decent performance and a great character. Strahm is exactly what the series needed at this point: somebody serious, cocky, and competent. It's like when you watch a zombie movie and the heroes know to shoot 'em in the head. You like those people right away and it gives the writers less room to allow them to do stupid things.
And, finally, I was aware coming in this was a Jigsaw origin movie and, having endured Amanda's boring history lesson in III, I was expecting the worst. But it's rather compelling: a good slog of trauma drama (an addict accidentally forces Jigsaw's wife to have a miscarriage) that doesn't break the bounds of realism, and filmed with only the mildest hysteria.
Director Darren Lynn Bousman displays the same competence (with occasional flashes of real smarts) as in Saw II, obviously re-energized by the script from new writers Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan. By the time the series supposedly ends with VIII, the two will have written more than half the series and I'm interested in what develops under their tenure. Narrative consistency and arc is a rare beast in horror franchises, and that only happens if the series has a low turnover rate in creative personnel. Across four movies, there has only been two directors. The Saw makers seem, for the most part, genuinely enthusiastic that every year they have fans that come out, even if the critical community at large doesn't appreciate that the audience exists at all.
Body count:
10.

Most inventive trap: The ice trap that kills Matthews. Hilariously brutal.

Stupid person in a horror movie moment: I would've figured that Art (the lawyer in charge of keeping Hoffman and Matthews in place) would've told them to keep still for 90 minutes and then they could go free. This was a cheap ploy to keep the audience in suspense.

See Saw schedule:
  • Day 1 (10/15): Saw (2004)
  • Day 2 (10/16): Saw II (2005)
  • Day 3 (10/19): Saw III (2006)
  • Day 4 (10/20): Saw IV (2007)
  • Day 5 (10/21): Saw V (2008)
  • Day 6 (10/23): Saw VI (2009)
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Mr. Bo Ziffer
Mr. Bo Ziffer writes:
on Oct 20 2009 07:32 PM

I don't know . . . this was the movie that took me out of the series. Saw III was bad, but at least the ending wanted me to know what would happen next. After this movie ended, I was through being jerked around. I'm kind of surprised you enjoyed it; it seems like this has been a pretty good series for you to watch. Good for you. I look forward to what you write next!

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Gern B.
Gern B. writes:
on Oct 20 2009 08:06 PM

Got to agree with Bo Ziffer, this one was the last one I've seen and it was awful. It was the worst kind of bad: laughably bad. I spent most of the movie wondering if Jigsaw and his apprentices rented a flatbed truck to move their enormous torture chair with the female victim attached to Rigg's apartment. Did they need to use the service elevator to get in in there? Why don't the cops just watch the video that was left in Rigg's apartment to figure out what was going on? These were the things that ran through my mind during this thing.

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fool0117
fool0117 writes:
on Oct 20 2009 08:16 PM

Now im not a HUGE fan of the Saw movies but I think they are entertaining.

While I thought the series was on the decline with 2 and 3, i rather enjoyed 4.
best to worst, i would say: 1, 4, 2, 5, 3.

i cant wait to see the sixth this weekend


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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Oct 20 2009 08:21 PM

This was the most recent (and last) "Saw" I saw. And yes that's still funny to me. Saw saw...brilliant.

Anyway, I hate this movie. I never saw "Saw III", so as you can imagine, I was like "HE'S DEAD?!" I mean, the only reason I kept watching these movies is because I think The Jigsaw Killer is a great villain. So screw it, I turned this thing off about an hour in. And said screw it to the rest of the series. Simple as that.


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PR0METHEU5
PR0METHEU5 writes:
on Oct 20 2009 08:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#2554727)
My fav of the Saw films...I agree with all your critiques so far Alex...Saw IV makes all the saw films better...almost has a sliver of genius to it.

Saw IV
Saw II
Saw
Saw III
Saw V


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Escapefromalcatraz
Escapefromalcatraz writes:
on Oct 20 2009 08:36 PM

What I want to know Alex is who did that awesome font on the "See Saw with Alex" title? That's scarier than half the movies you're gonna be subjecting yourself to! (in a good way)

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willtraven
willtraven writes:
on Oct 20 2009 08:43 PM

interesting...
I thought you would hate this one. I don't really remember any specific details from this movie, but I do remember a general distaste and confusing narration. But I'll give it another chance because of your review.


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TheEmoPianist
TheEmoPianist writes:
on Oct 20 2009 09:05 PM

This was where it started to go downhill for me. Saw III was better than this. They made Jigsaw's origin story tragic indeed, but ultimately, made it a bore to sit through. The stuff with Rigg was definitely better than what happened with Jeff, but still the climax didn't pay off all that well, and made it completely convoluted, thus ruining the series. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't good. Saw V was terrible. I advise you not to watch it.

Favs in Order:
Saw
Saw III
Saw II
Saw IV
Saw V


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knowingtoast85
knowingtoast85 writes:
on Oct 20 2009 09:13 PM

I've seen the first one.

And a YouTube compilation of all the kills from 1-5.

This concludes Opinions You Couldn't Possibly Care Less About.


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THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN
THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN writes:
on Oct 20 2009 09:18 PM

3 wasnt that bad...or was it?

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Brian R.
Brian R. writes:
on Oct 20 2009 09:46 PM

Wow....ok, yesterday I was in total disagreement with you Alex but clearly tonight you weren't lazy...thank you for addressing all the great things about this movie...after your review of 3 I thought for sure I was in for another night of reading how my favorite of the 5 was miserable for you. I'm glad you had fun with this one. I was definately hoping Matthews would go into berzerker mode one last time and I thought Strahm was the best character in the series....oh and for a saw-like twist to my entry tonight I will tell you that I will prolly be agreeing with you again tomorrow, there were parts to 5 i loved but sadly it was a very weak story.

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Tyrant
Tyrant writes:
on Oct 20 2009 09:56 PM

In reply to this comment (#2554730)
Yeah, I also think Jigsaw himself is a very enjoyable movie villain, but the series should have ended awhile ago, it just feels...drawn out.

And I'm very shocked you (Alex) enjoyed this one. I didn't see it, but my friends hated it. Glad to hear you enjoyed it.


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Blackie
Blackie writes:
on Oct 20 2009 11:07 PM

This was a limply plotted, totally unconvincing, plot-hole-filled, unnecessary addition to the franchise. It was absolutely horrible, and definitely falls more into "torture porn" then Saw 3. How did the writer on this series fail to mention the autopsy scene? Or the convoluted, pointless, flashback-within-flashback scenes? It adds nothing to the Jigsaw mythology except a really cheesy raison d'etre for him being mad at the world and a stupid and whiny villain - "Awwww, man, YOU ARE SO DEAD!!!!" The twist at the end is absolutely risible. I do not understand how anyone can possibly enjoy this movie, coming from someone who did enjoy 1-3.

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Drew J.
Drew J. writes:
on Oct 20 2009 11:30 PM

I definitely agree with this write-up. Whereas some people hate the fourth, I thought it was pretty entertaining; way better than number three.

Alex, so far we seem to share the same opinions about what is good and bad from each of these, and if that's the case, you are going to absolutely hate number 5. Although it's been a long time since I last saw 3, I remember hating 5 the most. Just plain awful. Especially watching them in succession as you are doing. I watched 5 about a week after 4, and the quality of the films just drops exponentially. Maybe I'm over exaggerating, but I thought it was terrible.


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Brian F.
Brian F. writes:
on Oct 21 2009 12:32 AM

I 'm glad to hear you liked this one I thought it really brought the series back to life after III! and then I viewed the God awful more-boring-than-a-tv-cop-drama Saw V! have fun with that tomorrow... The Saw movies are all about "the games" and the ending and there's only one lame game in 5 that takes up about ten minutes of the movie and the rest is boring *** drama! Not want I want to see in a Saw film. Plus theres no surprise at the end. Anyway I totally agree with you Drew J. and since everyone else is doing it heres how I would rank them

Saw (and its way above the rest although I love this whole series)
Saw IV
Saw II
Saw III
Saw V

and I'm actually looking forward to 6 this weekend because they got a different director from 5 and there is more action in the commercial previews than there was in all of 5.


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MovieMaster
MovieMaster writes:
on Oct 21 2009 01:01 AM

I hated this movie but I do have to say that Rigg was probably my favorite character to be in this series, other than Detective Matthews. Other than them there isn't too many good things to say about the Saw movies after the first one.

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Max K.
Max K. writes:
on Oct 21 2009 02:04 AM

"The ice trap that kills Matthews. Hilariously brutal." LOL

YEAH! Okay, Alex. You're right. I misjudged you yesterday, and I take it back. I now trust you to guide me through the Saw franchise.

I just watched Saw IV tonight myself, and my favorite part is when the guy pokes his own eye out, but then he doesn't poke the other one out and gets ripped to pieces instead. Why wouldn't you just push both buttons at the same time?!

But it did allow for the maximum possible amount of violence, so that's good.

I REALLY wish that weird scorpion machine had snipped that guy's spine, though.

Anyways, you're gonna like Saw V, it definitely has a lot of parts where people hurt themselves way more than they need to.


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Les R.
Les R. writes:
on Oct 21 2009 05:01 AM

Whew.
For a second, I thought he might go with everyone else on IV, but I'm relieved to see that he shared my opinion.
I knew what Rigg's test was supposed to be, but I was so busy thinking that it was set up to make him into the new apprentice for the new Jigsaw that I didn't see the Hoffman thing coming.
Personally, I think this entry was a breath of fresh air after the excretable part III, which I struggled to watch yesterday.


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Bob K.
Bob K. writes:
on Oct 21 2009 05:58 AM

I figured you'd like Saw IV, because you had seen Saw III the day before. That's the key to these. All those throw away moments you mention, the letter, the tape in wax, etc. Those all would have been meaningless filler if you watched the two movies a year apart.

These movies are so self-referential that watching them in quick succession, in my mind, makes them more enjoyable. But yeah, Three still was pretty bad.

I thought these movies were pure torture porn until I caught Saw on SciFi a couple years ago (I figured, it's basic cable, how horrid could this version be?) and was hooked, and immediately went out and got 2 and 3 on DVD and saw 4 in a theater that week and I enjoyed them a lot more then if I waited one per year.

I admit V isn't very strong, but it had the true feel of a 'transition' movie between Jigsaw and Hoffman, so I'm hoping it's a necessary evil to get through to get onto better storylines again. We'll find out at the midnight showing of Saw VI tomorrow I guess.

Enjoy the rest of the movies! Love these reviews.


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Gordon Franklin Terry Sr
Gordon Franklin Terry Sr writes:
on Oct 21 2009 06:29 AM

SAW movies are made-up as they go along. A gigantic "Slippery-Slope-Fallacy" of a series of episodic adventures.

SAW must be like diving off a High Dive: each time is exhilarating, you can straight-dive, side-dive, back-dive, backwards-dive; foward-flip dive; backward-flip dive; and every so often: BELLY-FLOP DIVE. and you can spend all afternoon at the swim club diving in many exicing ways off the High Dive and have a Whole Lot of fun All Afternoon.

in the end, you really didn't swim, or splash around in the pool, or play pool-volleyball

all you did was Dive off the High Dive . . . all afternoon. Which is okay I guess.

In other words: SAW goes Nowhere . . . all . . .afternoon.


(like an anti-getting-stoned commercial)


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