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See Saw with Alex, Day 5: Saw V

The series takes another dip.



Day Five: Saw V

There was no sense of accomplishment after watching Saw V, that little satisfaction of having finished a movie that follows you for the rest of the day. Right now, it just feels like I sat down in my room and stared at a wall for two hours.

It's like I've woken up in one of Jigsaw's traps, completely unable to piece together what happened just a few hours ago. Did anything even remotely significant or compelling happen in this movie? Everything that's thrown at the audience I kind of just met with a shrug and I don't think it's necessarily me burning out on the series. I mean, what exactly is supposed to be interesting about Hoffman's origin story? He's blackmailed by Jigsaw, but nothing in Costas Mandylor's performance suggests pleasure or torment or ambivalence in his actions. He looks like a guy just going through the motions. I assume the filmmakers cast the physically imposing Mandylor to be a visual foil to Tobin Bell's snooping, wiry look, but considering this is a series where characters rarely ever come to blows, Mandylor's stature is just mostly wasted.
I wrote yesterday that Special Agent Strahm (Scott Patterson) was a much-needed injection to the series so it was quite shocking how quickly Saw V removes everything that was appealing about him. Strahm picks up a Jigsaw tape that advises him to stay put in a room. He then promptly ignores this warning. Why? Nothing about him suggests he'd do something so flagrantly stupid. Then he performs a self-tracheotomy and talks with a ridiculous rasp for the rest of the movie that rivals Christian Bale's Batman voice in distraction factor. Strahm's death by crushing at the end is, in effect, leeched of all emotion. Screenwriters Marcus Dunstan and Patrick Melton clearly lost interest in the character and so did I.

I was optimistic about the movie's central trap segment: a group of people working together in an undisclosed location, similar to Saw II's setup. However, nobody on the outside was even aware they existed so there was no urgency at all in that storyline. And since the characters devise that a person has to be scarified in each room, everything quickly, violently devolves into routine.

So, in the end, virtually all good guys are dead and Hoffman is primed to go on his way. I'm curious to see how the filmmakers will escape the corner they've painted themselves into, but I'm not holding out hope that it'll be particularly compelling.
As an aside, I've been thinking about how some diehard Saw fans wonder when we'll definitely find out what happens to Lawrence Gordon (Cary Elwes, who saws off his foot and crawls away in the first movie). I assume he's dead, but people still talk about him. I hope we never find out. The series burdens itself with exposition and backstory that very little in the way of actual mystery remains. One of the most haunting images is also among the simplest: Gordon's brown, wizened foot still resting in its shackle (which I believe is from Saw II), a symbol of simplified horror.
Body count: 7.

Most inventive trap: The water box trap that Strahm finds himself in is decent, but the way he gets out of it (pen to the throat) is the movie's probably singular clever touch.

Stupid person in a horror movie moment: Definitely Strahm blowing off Jigsaw's warnings. How'd you get this job with that attitude?

See Saw schedule:
  • Day 1 (10/15): Saw (2004)
  • Day 2 (10/16): Saw II (2005)
  • Day 3 (10/19): Saw III (2006)
  • Day 4 (10/20): Saw IV (2007)
  • Day 5 (10/21): Saw V (2008)
  • Day 6 (10/23): Saw VI (2009)
tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST on 10-21-2009 06:27 PM

It's a bad film, but, I don't think SAW has used up stupid ways to continue with a story that doesn't exist.

I.E.

Twin siblings. Nope, Jigsaw had a twin brother, who is even MORE crazy!

also,

That part about him dying? Oh, that's just a dream,

or

That part about him dying? Jigsaw is so good at making devices, why didn't you think he'd be good at make-up, or making an anamatromic giant doll that looks just like him! Show a one way mirror, where Jigsaw is playing with his remote control, controlling his doppleganger.

So many great possibilities, but, this is something I want:

Shawnee Smith Naked. Not bloody naked. Not naked with bad lights. How about her on a beach? I don't care how. Don't care if it's in the story, just show her on a beach.

This happens, and Saw VI will probably be the best in the series. . .

Kai Sacco

Kai Sacco on 10-21-2009 06:31 PM

yeah it seems like they forced a lot of twists and turns into this movie

And The Answer Is 42

And The Answer Is 42 on 10-21-2009 06:32 PM

to put it simply, this was not a good movie. im surprised alex loved IV so much, which i tolerated, but this was too much. so much that im not going to see saw (pardon me) VI, ill wait for rental. bleh...

Brian R.

Brian R. on 10-21-2009 06:51 PM

agreed!...My gf liked it due to its simple cop story...it was a nice change of pace at first from scalps ripping off, naked frozen women, and bones twisting...but shockingly, it made me wish it had more bones twisting....at the end i felt let down by the filmakers that they hadn't given me something exciting...it just felt long...and at the end I went "Meh. Well theres always next year."....It wasn't horrible worst movie ever bad, but it wasn't nearly as good as the others...I just hope SAW 6 doesn't give us the opposite of 5 and smash us with a million traps and gore all 93 minutes with no story.

Brian R.

Brian R. on 10-21-2009 06:59 PM

oh and I agree with you again about never finding out what definately happend to gordon...i like some things to be left up to the viewer.

marktron

marktron on 10-21-2009 07:06 PM

5 is a masterpiece compared to 4.

4 was Saw 3.5 but without anything to say but still dragging its *** around for the runtime.

Max H.

Max H. on 10-21-2009 08:14 PM

yea 4 really ruined this series for me it jumped around way too much and had ridiculous twists...i also gave up on people who enjoy these films i heard a complaint saying this film was the worst because and i quote "Only like 6 people die in it" yes because more deaths=more good

Brian F.

Brian F. on 10-21-2009 08:30 PM

Besides the fact you disliked 3 more than I did, we've pretty much agreed on all of them. Saw V was the most boring pointless **** I've ever watched! Here's to hoping Saw VI actually has some action in it!

Henry P.

Henry P. on 10-21-2009 08:49 PM

Just watched Saw IV looking at it with a more open mind. I still cannot like it as much as you all do. How the heck did all those people (scott patterson and Athena Karkanis, the FBI agents) went from crime scene to crime scene, to Jigsaw's ex-wife interrogation room and back in only 90 minutes? impossible!!!!

even if i want to suspend all belief, it still distracts me endlessly. But i'll give it that it has some action. Saw V doesnt have any, or barely. But it is well written, and has a very interesting climax (dont want to call it "twist").

Brad S.

Brad S. on 10-21-2009 09:23 PM

I don't ever remember Hoffman being blackmailed by Jigsaw. ?

Brad S.

Brad S. on 10-21-2009 09:29 PM

Also, you failed to mention the black box that Jigsaw's wife received after his death. To me that may have been the most important part of that whole movie. For you not to even mention that scene makes me wonder if you indeed know what you are talking about.

Playboy Slim

Playboy Slim on 10-21-2009 10:01 PM

Good write up...I'll never watch this, so what else can I say.

SmokingAce

SmokingAce on 10-21-2009 10:12 PM

The twist at the end where the remaining 2 hostages found out they had to work as a team with others instead of being every man for themselves was the kind of clever. But seriously whats the point of these movies if 75% of it is flashbacks from the previous movies?

Brian R.

Brian R. on 10-21-2009 10:37 PM

Alex hasn't been mentioning scenes in movies that he feels might show importance in the next movie...like he didn't mention the tape covered in wax in 3 cuz he thought it would come up in 4, which it did...he didn't mention the autopsy cuz it hasn't come up again but hopefully autopsy tape and box will be explained in 6.....TOMORROW WOOO!!!

Douglas W.

Douglas W. on 10-21-2009 11:04 PM

Part 5 was by far the most difficult installment to sit through. I enjoyed 1, thought 2 was decent but went too far into the typical slasher flick motif for my tastes, 3 was not terrible, and 4 was surprisingly entertaining. 5... wow. Just terrible.

I couldn't care less about the characters, the central game had no tension, and there were way too many flashbacks, and worst of all... it was boring. Visual Nyquil is the best way I can put it. If it weren't for the screams from the dumb as a brick characters as they bit the dust, I would have fallen dead asleep to be sure.


So far I am enjoying your takes here, and for the most part agree with them. I don't plan on seeing 6 until it hits rental, since 5 was so unbearably bad, but I don't mind you taking the hit for me there. Enjoy! hehe

KingSigy

KingSigy on 10-22-2009 12:26 AM

Holy crap. This is your most negative and hateful review yet. I love it!

You mention how the one character sort of becomes stale, but what about the 7 or 8 people who die in each movie? Why are they in these films if they just exist to get axed? Why does this series assume we will find terror in a person we know absolutely nothing about? Is it a more visceral and gritty horror or is it just plain stupid?

Well, I'm looking forward to tomorrow's Saw VI write-up. I would at least like to know how I can talk smack about it, or if maybe I should try to actually listen to fans of the movie.

BJB D.

BJB D. on 10-22-2009 12:58 AM

It's rather humorous how on the main page the link for this says "we rediscover Saw V". It sounds almost like the author of the article believes the film came out a decade ago instead of less than a year. People are STILL trying to get the bad taste out of their mouths left by Saw 5. So I strongly doubt anyone is going to be very enthusiastic to "rediscover" that piece of garbage, except for maybe the people with defective brains.

Les R.

Les R. on 10-22-2009 04:26 AM

Watching it again yesterday, I found that it benefits from a second viewing.
Rather than an entire film, I've decided to consider it a supplementary document explaining what happened to Strahm and propelling us into the next film while simultaneously explaining how Hoffman became the apprentice and why nobody suspects him in VI.
As for the plot of VI, I'm going to speculate that Jill was given the evidence against Hoffman and that she was supposed to turn him in. However, after the loss of her child, she feels that John was doing the right thing and actually wants Hoffman to continue his work. Also, look at the tweaker from V, he says his dad got him out of trouble with the feds, so his dad is either one of the FBI agents that will be hunting the new Jigsaw Killer, or somebody of great political stature. Either way, this person will probably become embroiled in the situation as a victim or pawn by part VII.

Grashoppa-San

Grashoppa-San on 10-22-2009 06:19 AM

you know what made me mad about this movie?

I kind of got dragged to the 1st 4 movies, and I saw each of them once...

I never particularly cared for the movies, but then the 5th one came out and no-one dragged me too it... so I decided I might as well finish what I started and I rented it...

I was so freaking confused, I had to pause the movie, get on-line and pull up a summary of the 1st 4 films just so I could understand what the Hell was happening. And the movie was horrible.

I quit on the series. I can't watch 3 more. Dang. I almost made it.

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr on 10-22-2009 07:22 AM

Alex Vo has wasted 10 Hours so far. An hour and a half for each SAW and the 5-half-hours spent writing the articles.

But Vo is paid for his wasted time though and time is never wasted.

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