A film that's considerably longer than it needs be, in which the evocative eloquence of storybook pictures is consistently garbled by the need to overexplain and psychoanalyze.
the running time says 2 hours...how is that too long?
May 29 - 02:33 PM
2 hours is way to long for this kind of movie
the original script was 111 pages. that is about and hour and 30.
the idiot that rewrote the movie added stuff that didn't need to be added
the original script was just fine
May 29 - 02:37 PM
I'd rather pay $10.75 on a movie that is long and on something that I enjoy watching (like these kinds of movie), some people just walk in with no patience at all or they want to watch it just so that they can bash at it.
May 29 - 02:43 PM
you don't seem to understand
2 hours for this kind of movie means adding additional scenes that aren't supposed to be there.
scenes that aren't integrated with the story.
The critic is saying its too long because it drags out the story.
If it was shorter the movie would have been a better experience than just putting scenes that don't add anything to the story.
there is a smart efficient way of doing things. You believe that you would watch 2 hours of this kind of movie and i say good for you but for others it will be a drag to watch
May 29 - 04:09 PM
Stepping Razor, Can you do a better screenplay?
It doesn't matter if he can do it better. He can criticize all he wants.
May 29 - 05:58 PM
Anyone can write a script? No, they can't. If anyone could write a script then everybody would be doing it. They may think they can but trust me when I say this...most people don't have a clue on how to write a proper script.
May 29 - 06:44 PM
A page of script is typically, roughly translated into a minute of film, but the script may have missed out on some small details including in the motion picture. And the credits.
111 pages -> 1hr 41min
Small deets + credits = 20-30 min
May 30 - 12:08 AM
and what kind of movie is this? mr. know it all? so no movie in the history of movies has stuff added in, that didnt go well? tell me mr. know it all
May 29 - 04:51 PM
So you're saying he should give it a good review even though there's loads of problems? Not every movie is good, you know.
but there are no extremely "kill-me" bad movies (well except the epic-disaster movies), you can tell they (this movie) tried and from what I see, it looks pretty good. Shadypotiential...I don't know for sure if he even saw the movie, theres a difference between "Disney" PG (original script?) and "Universal'" Pg-13 movie. An adaption is not going to be the same as a book or even an original script. Anyways, I think/hope its going to be really good
May 29 - 06:37 PM
Actually, there really is no clear relationship between script length and movie length. It can vary widely.
May 29 - 05:03 PM
You said "here really is no clear relationship between script length and movie length."
LOL! Yeah there is a clear cut relationship between script length and film length. You must have no knowledge at all with screenwriting to say such a misguided & 100% inaccurate comment. Here's a little lesson for you in script writing. Every page in a script equals a minute of screen time. So for example, if a script is 90 pages long it is a 90 minute film.
God, I can't stand internet dumb@$$ who think they know what they are talking about & you are one of the vast majority.
May 29 - 06:40 PM
Jesus, you are an idiot NTROST. And you're talking out of your @ss. There is no clear-cut relationship. Do some research, and you'll see script length and movie length varies widely. 90 pages does not always equal 90 minutes. It can but that is NOT defintite. Do us all a favor and think before posting. It will make it much nicer for the rest of us.
May 29 - 07:23 PM
I don't think a minute is one page of a script, you also add the camera work and the scenery as well. If it is, then WOW they talk a lot!
May 29 - 07:29 PM
Still though, this movie is way longer than the screenplay suggests it should be so everyone saying this critic is an asshole for saying the movie is too long without even having seen the movie themselves is completely unjustified which makes your comment absolutely useless which makes your argument with NTROST even more useless which then renders my comment useless but i'm okay with that because aren't we all just having fun
May 29 - 07:30 PM
May 29 - 07:36 PM
Depends on how long the battle scenes are they can be depicted in two pages on a script but last 20 minutes on film.
May 29 - 09:20 PM
Now you're just being ridiculous, name me one battle scene from any movie that lasts 20 minutes
May 29 - 10:13 PM
How long was the D-Day landing in "Saving Private Ryan?" How long was The Battle of Helm's Deep?
May 29 - 10:20 PM
Way more than 2 pages worth of script
May 29 - 10:31 PM
I'm sure they are, but you asked for 20 minute battles, not 2 pages worth of script.
May 29 - 10:39 PM
I'm an idiot? Listen stupid, I work in the industry you dumb@$$. I don't need to do research to know what I'm talking about in my field. If you think script length & film length don't match up with relations with one another then you are the one that needs to do some significant research you misguided & ignorant fool. Clearly, you don't have a clue on what you are talking about. Keep your day job which I'm assuming is talking out of your @$$ which you do well but do us a favor & shut the hell up!
Yes, one page in a script is typically one minute of film. Go ask any professional screenwriter. After reading what you said, it's obvious you don't have any background in screenwriting as I can see let alone written a proper screenplay if you think camera work & scenery are a significant factor.
May 30 - 10:33 AM
Last bit of advice to everyone: Pay attention to the screenplay draft you're reading. If it says Spec Script, you'll know what a screenplay looks like when it is submitted to a studio reader. If it says Shooting Script, it's going to contain a lot of production information like camera angles and shot numbers. This isn't done by the screenwriter but by the producer and the director. If the script you find says, Transcript, it's going to be nothing but dialogue and it won't be in proper format. It's a useless trying to learn from reading that.
May 30 - 10:35 AM
Screenwriting 101: Each screenplay page equals roughly 1 minute of screen time, so a 111 page script translates into a 1 hour 51 minute movie. That's nearly 2 hours. Many written action sequences are shorter than they turn out being. Take a look at the LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring script, which was 115 pages long, yet the finished movie was around 3 hours (theatrical)*
Admit it, you have no idea how script-to-film translates.
*LOTR would be roughly 1.3 hours shorter as a trilogy if the overly used slow motion sequences were played at normal speed.
May 30 - 11:10 AM
and you do? You got it all wrong lmaooo
You have no idea how wrong you are. but thats okay. we all say stupid things
May 30 - 01:08 PM
While you're "laughing your ass off off off..." care to explain how I'm wrong exactly?
May 30 - 01:56 PM
"Longer than it NEEDS to be"
May 30 - 05:21 AM
If something is bad then 10 minutes of it is too long, I guess he means that
May 30 - 10:04 AM
The standard truly is 1 minute for each page. Now let's move on guys.
May 29 - 10:41 PM
I'd love to comment on the review but the poster keeps distracting me, there's obviously something wrong with the huntsmen.
May 30 - 01:21 AM
He has no legs and a vacant-looking woman's head for a shoulder?
May 30 - 09:10 AM
Looking through these comments, I come to one conclusion: a lot of internet trolls who think they know about filmmaking but reveal they haven't got a clue.
Here are the facts: a page of screenplay equals one minute of screen-time. Any film professor and film producer will take you to task for saying otherwise. They will out-flame you!
There's a major difference between film scripts and TV scripts. I assume some of you read more TV scripts than film scripts and wrongfully conclude that film script pages consist of large blocks of dialogue too. Not at all. Unlike TV scripts, a screenplay is minimal. A lot of white on those pages. Descriptions are short and to the point. The goal is to fit as many images on one page with the shortest amount of words. Watch any movie with the screenplay (not the transcript) open and you'll learn something.
To all those who troll at the enlightened: go back to your cave until you learn to walk the walk.
May 30 - 10:26 AM
Finally, someone who has actually shown some knowledge about the industry.
May 30 - 10:36 AM
NTROST, you've been making some enlightened comments. I picture you sitting in your office trying to relax with your mug of coffee and visiting these boards trying to understand why so many of these spec scripts you read are trash. The startling awareness you gain from looking at these boards must be terrifying. Your frustration is understood.
May 30 - 10:45 AM
As a "noob" to the business of screenwriting myself, even I know that a page equals a minute. That rule is generally page one in any 'How to...' book on the subject. Don't let the trolls get you too worked up. Just revel in the knowing that you're right, and they're dumb$h!ts.
May 30 - 11:20 AM
BatMime and NTROST: Two of the most self-righteous commenters I've ever seen. Good to know, as I try to avoid stupid people. Life is too short.
May 31 - 02:44 PM
well they're right, so they have the right to be self-righteous. 1 page in a screenplay does equal one minute of running time.
that's industry standard. yeah, camera work and scenery are accounted for in that estimation. one page = 1 minute.
you'd be surprised how long one minute can be when you're the one editing the film. a lot can happen in one minute. yes. even an entire battle can be shot in one minute.
Jun 9 - 12:01 PM
Right. For EVERY movie EVER made, the number of pages and the minutes for the movie's runtime have ALWAYS matched. I'm sure that's exactly the way it is.
Jun 9 - 07:23 PM
damn...i apologize for starting this. i havent seen the film so i cant really give a valid opinion on wether or not its too long for its own good. all im saying is that 2 hours for a movie is pretty standard.
May 30 - 12:24 PM
Sounds to me like this guy had one too many cocktails while watching it.
Jun 1 - 04:19 PM
If my butt falls asleep, the movie is too long. This movie is, in fact, too long. Aside from Charlize Theron's character, the cast performances were mediocre. I won't see it twice.
Jun 2 - 07:44 PM
I studied film and screenwriting in school. 1 page of a screenplay equals 1 MINUTE. If you want an hour and a half movie, you're screenplay is going to be 90 pages. This is textbook Screenwriting 101. There is a relationship between screen time and the length of the screenplay. Its a very specific format.
"I don't think a minute is one page of a script, you also add the camera work and the scenery as well. If it is, then WOW they talk a lot!"
Shooting scripts have camera work, not screenplays. Screenplays that go on too much about scenery are bad screenplays. Quick and to the point. That's how you do it.
That's all been said a thousand times, but I needed to get that out. Anyway...
This movie was too long and too short. It was trying to be epic like LOTR, but it wasn't long enough for that, but there's so much that was unneccessary. Like the dwarfs and the "prince". And it was bland. This should have been a 90min film.
Jun 5 - 11:58 AM