Discontinued Academy Awards

With the Oscars right around the corner, we take a look at the awards the stars won't be taking home this year.

Defunct Oscars We're in the home stretch of Awards Season 2014, film fans -- which means we're in the thick of everyone's Oscar picks, predictions, and prognostications for the major categories. But before Hollywood's best and brightest get all gussied up for the main event on March 2, we're re-visiting an article from last year: A look back at some of the awards the Academy won't be handing out -- specifically, the ones that have been phased out over the previous 84 ceremonies due to technological progress, redundancy, or a simple lack of popularity among the voters.


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Academy Juvenile Award

Years Awarded: 1934-60 (off and on)

Noteworthy Winners: Given that only a dozen people ever took one home, most of the winners were fairly noteworthy, but the most memorable names on the list include Shirley Temple (who won the very first Juvenile Award Oscar), Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland, and Hayley Mills (who won the last one for her work in Pollyanna).

Why It Was Retired: Created after a nine-year-old Jackie Cooper lost out for Best Actor in 1931, the Juvenile Award was always a little patronizing -- it existed because Academy members felt like child actors were at a disadvantage when competing against their older counterparts, and the statue itself was a half-sized Oscar replica -- and over the years, enough younger actors crossed over into the "real" categories that when 16-year-old Patty Duke finally won Best Supporting Actress for her performance in 1963's The Miracle Worker, age discrimination no longer seemed necessary.


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Best Assistant Director

Years Awarded: 1934-37

Noteworthy Winners: Clem Beauchamp and Paul Wing, The Lives of a Bengal Lancer (1935). Neither of them ever became household names, but Beauchamp and Wing both led fascinating lives behind the scenes. Beauchamp abandoned his short-lived acting career (which included a role in Clark Gable's The Painted Desert) to become a second unit director, then moved into production, working on a long and varied list of films and TV series (such as High Noon, Death of a Salesman, and The Adventures of Superman). Wing, meanwhile, was a World War I veteran when he arrived in Hollywood, and after a few years of (mostly uncredited) studio work, re-enlisted for WWII -- during which he endured the Bataan Death March as a prisoner of the Japanese.

Why It Was Retired: As anyone who's spent time on a film set could tell you, it isn't unusual for the AD to get the short end of the stick -- it's a position that requires a lot of dirty work (e.g. scheduling, budget management, and setting up location shoots) and comes with very little glory. Unlike the awards that were eliminated due to redundancy or changing technology, the Best Assistant Director Oscar could always make a welcome return.

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Best Dance Direction

Years Awarded: 1935-37

Noteworthy Winners: The category's final winner, Hermes Pan, only took home one Oscar in his career (for "Fun House," from A Damsel in Distress), but he was one of Hollywood's most distinguished and in-demand choreographers over the 40-year span between 1928-68, thanks largely to his status as Fred Astaire's longtime collaborator. A relatively early Pan/Astaire picture, A Damsel in Distress actually lost money for the studio (probably due at least in part to Ginger Rogers' absence), but there's no arguing with the cast (which included George Burns and Gracie Allen) or the music, provided by George and Ira Gershwin.

Why It Was Retired: These days, a Best Dance Direction Oscar wouldn't make any sense, but at the time, there was still plenty of hoofing on the big screen. The Best Dance Direction category rankled the DGA, however, and after a few years of insisting that "direction" should only apply to the overall film, they successfully lobbied for its removal.


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Best Director, Comedy Picture

Years Awarded: 1928

Noteworthy Winners: Lewis Milestone took home the first and last Best Comedy Direction Oscar for Two Arabian Knights, starring William Boyd and Louis Wolheim as a pair of World War I soldiers whose constant squabbling lands them in a German POW camp -- and, eventually, onto a ship bound for Arabia, where both men fall under the spell of a veiled beauty (Mary Astor). Part of a trilogy of Howard Hughes productions that were thought lost for decades, Knights eventually turned up after Hughes' death, and has been aired by the Turner Classic Movies channel on a couple of recent occasions.

Why It Was Retired: Like a lot of other category deductions, it was most likely done under the guise of streamlining the awards by honoring one overall director rather than splitting the nominees between genres, but in light of the Academy's longstanding perceived bias against comedy, it's hard to see this decision as anything more than another example of Oscar's serious nature.


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Best Engineering Effects

Years Awarded: 1929

Noteworthy Winners: Just one: William A. Wellman's World War I flying drama Wings, which also took home the very first Best Picture Oscar and was (rather incredibly) lost for decades before a spare negative was discovered in the Paramount vaults and meticulously restored. Starring Charles "Buddy" Rogers, Richard Arlen, and future sweethearts Clara Bow and Gary Cooper, the picture benefited from Wellman's flight experience, as well as then-cutting-edge special effects; today, it's enshrined in the National Film Registry.

Why It Was Retired: The early Oscar years came with a lot of category rejiggering; in fact, at the first ceremony, Best Picture was called Outstanding Picture -- and it wasn't deemed as desirable as Unique and Artistic Production, a category that was dropped the following year. What effects artists lost when this award was eliminated, however, they eventually regained with Special Effects (later renamed Special Visual Effects before finally becoming Visual Effects in 1977).

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Best Original Musical or Comedy Score

Years Awarded: 1995-98

Noteworthy Winners: While most of the winners leaned one way or the other on the "musical or comedy" spectrum, 1998's The Full Monty proved a crowd-pleasing blend of both, using a pretty gloomy storyline (about a group of unemployed men who decide to start a burlesque show in order to make ends meet) as the basis for a surprisingly thoughtful comedy with a feel-good soundtrack -- including what might be the best-ever use of Tom Jones' cover of the Randy Newman classic "You Can Leave Your Hat On." The award for the score, however, went to Anne Dudley -- the composer fondly remembered by children of the 1980s as a member of the avant garde synthpop band Art of Noise.

Why It Was Retired: The Academy has changed its approach to awarding musicians and composers many times over the years, and this award -- designed to give songwriters and lyricists a chance at Oscardom -- is just one short-lived example.

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Best Score - Adaptation or Treatment

Years Awarded: 1962-67

Noteworthy Winners: This Academy Award, created to honor the composers who worked on big-screen adaptations of stage musicals, happened to have its run during a pretty good stretch for the genre -- The Sound of Music, The Music Man, and My Fair Lady were all honored during the Best Score - Adaptation or Treatment's brief existence, along with Irma la Douce, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum, and Camelot.

Why It Was Retired: Prior to this category's introduction, music was honored with the Score of a Dramatic or Comedy Picture and Scoring of a Musical Picture Oscars; after it was phased out, the Academy moved on to the Original Score for a Motion Picture (not a Musical) and Score of a Musical Picture - Original or Adaptation categories. A bit of semantics, in other words.

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Best Short Subject - Color

Years Awarded: 1936-37

Noteworthy Winners: We've only got two winners in this category: B. Reeves Eason's Give Me Liberty and David Miller's Penny Wisdom, a comedy about the culinary horror that unfolds after an inept homemaker's cook quits just as the man of the house is bringing home his boss and a client for dinner. Of the two, Eason's film might be more interesting, if only because it was his work as a second-unit director on Charge of the Light Brigade that led to one of the most scandalous animal slaughters in Hollywood history -- and the presence of the Humane Society on film sets for decades to follow.

Why It Was Retired: With the advent of color film, a separate designation for the medium was no longer necessary; today, Oscar honors film shorts in three separate categories: Live Action, Animated, and Documentary.


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Best Short Subject - Comedy

Years Awarded: 1932-35

Noteworthy Winners: The first winner, 1932's The Music Box, was a Hal Roach production starring Laurel and Hardy as a pair of inept movers tasked with getting a player piano up an insurmountably long stairway. Less than half an hour in length, Box made a big impact, to the extent that the steps themselves (in Los Angeles' Silver Lake district) have become something of a tourist destination -- and the short itself was inducted into the National Film Registry in 1997.

Why It Was Retired: The Academy has often displayed a certain degree of ambivalence when it comes to comedy, but in this case, the category's removal had more to do with a shift away from dividing live-action shorts by genre.


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Best Short Subject - Live Action Two Reels

Years Awarded: 1936-56

Noteworthy Winners: A fair number of these shorts have been lost to the vagaries of time, but that doesn't mean they were any less distinguished -- in fact, some of the directors who were nominated or won included legendary producer Irving Allen, prolific documentarian Gordon Hollingshead, frequent Three Stooges helmer Jules White, and sports writer Grantland Rice.

Why It Was Retired: After 1956, the Academy no longer needed to differentiate between one-reel and two-reel shorts, and switched to the Short Subjects, Live Action Subjects category, which eventually morphed into Live Action Short Film in 1974.


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Best Short Subject - Novelty

Years Awarded: 1932-35

Noteworthy Winners: The Novelty category was used as a sort of catchall for a number of films, such as Pete Smith's patronizing, gently humorous domestic instruction manual Menu. The winners, however, tended toward the documentary end of the spectrum -- and since movies like Krakatoa and Wings Over Everest showed viewers parts of the world they were unlikely to ever visit, it could be argued that all of them were noteworthy (even 1934's City of Wax, which took a look at the life of a bee).

Why It Was Retired: In 1936 and 1937, the Academy refined its approach to awarding short films by splitting the nominees into Color, One-Reel, and Two-Reel categories, then dropping the Color category in 1938.


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Best Title Writing

Years Awarded: 1929

Noteworthy Winners: We only have one to choose from: Joseph Farnham, a playwright, screenwriter, and film editor whose life story boasts a few distinctions. Not only did Farnham take home the first and last Oscar for Best Title Writing, he was also one of the founding members of the Academy -- and in 1931, he sadly became the first award winner to die, succumbing to a heart attack at the age of 47.

Why It Was Retired: With "talkies" already taking over Hollywood, fewer and fewer films needed title cards to spell out dialogue or explain plot developments, and by the time the second Academy Awards were held in April 1930, the Best Title Writing category was a thing of the past.

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Best Unique and Artistic Quality of Production

Years Awarded: 1929

Noteworthy Winners: There was only one: F.W. Murnau's Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans, starring George O'Brien as a man tempted to stray from the bonds of his marriage by a floozy from the big city (Margaret Livingston) who nearly convinces him to murder his wife (Janet Gaynor, the year's Best Actress winner) before he changes his mind and -- after a storm nearly separates them forever -- they find their way back to happy matrimony. Boasting groundbreaking Academy Award-winning cinematography and finely distinctive set design to go with its admittedly rather simplistic and fanciful story, Sunrise was the year's big Oscar winner; today, it resides in the National Film Registry (as well as on a number of critical all-time best lists).

Why It Was Retired: Viewed by many as a redundant clone of the Best Picture award (which was referred to as Outstanding Picture at the first ceremony), Unique and Artistic Quality of Production was one of three categories phased out after the first Academy Awards.

Comments

Matthew R.

Matthew Reimer

Its a bummer that Academy Juvenile Award is no longer awarded. It could of been used for Quvenzhane Wallis this year.

Feb 13 - 05:17 PM

William J.

William Johnsten

Why? It's useless and (like RT said) a little patronizing. If a performance is good enough (whether child or adult), it'll be nominated. Quvenzhane Wallis was great and definitely deserved her nod this year without some Juvenile award.

Feb 13 - 05:41 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I kinda agree with Reimer. Expecting a 12 year old to compete against someone with the experience of say Jack Nicholson or Al Pacino is putting them at a tremendous disadvantage and more often than not these kids are getting a nom because their performance was good for someone their age. Remember Kirsten Dunst and the hype she got off Interview with the Vampire? Yeah, it was a great job, and she's a competent enough actress, but hardly the phenomenon she was hyped up to be. To me it's a little insulting to the art to think you can just go out and be that good. There are obvious child prodigy exceptions like Chloe Moretz or Liz Taylor, but they're by far the exception as opposed to the rule. Think it'd be nice to have both like Foreign film and animated feature which often also cross into the best film category.

Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

But the bottom line is who gives a *What* about an Oscar? The actors all get paid, & the fulfillment comes from realising their potential as artists & entertaining, enlightening, amusing, & delighting millions of people. When we so often see films that are blatant "Oscar baiters", it is clear that the line between the award being merely the icing on the cake and actually being a big part of the cake itself has been breached; and this is not good for so many reason that I cannot go into them here.

Feb 13 - 09:02 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

What if the actors aren't old enough to know how to "Oscar-bait" yet?

Feb 13 - 10:17 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Ah yes, tiny misunderstanding in your comprehension, but nevermind, easily corrected; you will note on close inspection that I said "we so often see Oscar bait"; note that "often" stands in contradistinction to "always"; therefore, there is vast scope left for any thing to fall outside of that context. Therefore, your question is simply irrelevant. If you somehow thought that I was stating that any and all movies, actors, roles, performances are invariably Oscar bait, then this is an extraordinary misunderstanding on your part. As it is, you probably just wanted to say something, anything, & blurted out the first thing that came into your head. Ehh, well, fair enough I guess.

Feb 14 - 06:39 AM

Todd Knaperek

Todd Knaperek

Hailee Steinfeld didn't do a bad job of it..

Feb 14 - 07:50 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Hahaha...great comment Todd. Thanks man (:

Feb 14 - 10:55 AM

King  S.

King Simba

The trouble with giving a separate category towards a certain group is that it kills their chances in the major category. That's why animated and foreign films are at a distinct disadvantage in the best picture race, because they have their own seperate catergories (heck, with the Golden Globes the best animated category actually hurt the Pixar films. It took them from being serious contenders for the best musical/comedy film to not even getting nominated while films like Nine and The Tourist got nominated instead).

Feb 14 - 11:50 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Bill Suave is not old enough to know how to innuendo.

Feb 14 - 12:55 PM

Gregory Eichelberger

Gregory Eichelberger

Bill, are you REALLY comparing Chloe Moretz to Elizabeth Taylor?

Feb 16 - 03:37 AM

quietus28

jj l

The juvenile category is pointless because the Oscar should be awarded to the best individual performance of the year. While that may be subjective, I don't see why past performance or experience should factor in (though obviously it frequently does).

Feb 19 - 12:24 PM

Omar Tapia

Omar Tapia

Big Brother, then why do actors like Barkhad Abdi, Lupita Nyong'o, Jennifer Lawrence or Jona Hill have a shot at competing against other much more experienced actors?
I believe it's a matter of how good the performance is, whether is your first or you've been doing it for 30 years.

Feb 21 - 03:19 PM

Typhon

Typhon Q

I think that the Juvenile Award would act as a stepping stone towards best performance awards. But if the child's performance was good enough, I think that he/she could be put in both categories, like how Amour is in Best Picture and Best Foreign Film this year.

Feb 13 - 10:04 PM

Teije Vliet

Teije Vliet

Well if the juvenile award is patronising, what are your thoughts on having seperate categories for men and women then? Surely that's even more patronising?

Feb 16 - 10:19 AM

Jo M.

Jo Maps

I sort of agree, although I believe the "juvenile" oscar could and should be replaced by something like "best Hope" (as in the French Cesars Award) or Rising Star (like in the Baftas, although this last one is not only for actors), for best debut performance.
Arguably those would not always be young actors, but at least they wouldn't be competing with Oscars Juggernauts like D Day Lewis, Meryl Streep or J Nicholson.

Feb 14 - 02:22 AM

Doo M.

Doo MM

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Feb 19 - 06:56 PM

Dell Cousins

Dell Cousins

Could "have."

Feb 19 - 01:50 PM

Balls McHammer

kolya Fist

The Academy Awards are a total joke. They need to add more categories like: Most Shameless Product Placement and Biggest Cash Grab.

Feb 13 - 05:40 PM

Balls McHammer

kolya Fist

They should also rename Best Picture to Biggest Box Office

Feb 13 - 05:42 PM

crusader151

Peter Marsh

Umm that doesn't make any sense since the Best Picture winners are rarely the highest grossing thin in the catagory.

Feb 13 - 06:05 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

They are a joke; and they became a sad joke when they widened it to TEN films up fore Best Picture. Lets be honest, H-wood only turns out hardly that number of good films per year; how laughable to say that 10 of them are Best Picture worthy. Toy Story 3?? Best Picture?? Hahahahahahahahaha...oh sh** I just wet my pants, laughing so hard

Feb 13 - 09:04 PM

Typhon

Typhon Q

Now I think that they made it anywhere from 5 to 10.

Feb 13 - 10:01 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Toy Story 3 didn't just deserve the best picture nomination, it deserved to win it to. It probably would have to if the academy didn't look down so much on animated films.

Feb 14 - 01:24 AM

Paxton Attridge

Paxton Attridge

I in turn pity the contempt you exude royally, 'To' a degree which is frightening. There were a number of good films that year, perhaps even more than ten, seeing as a number of films could have just as easily fit into that nomination - particularly Rabbit Hole and The Town. Maybe none of them meet your standard, and that's fine, but understand that each of them clearly had SOME merit, and understand that people may beg to differ with such a general statement as "you wet yourself laughing about how Toy Story 3 could be a viable best picture candidate" - and for Lord's sake, change your pants.

Feb 14 - 10:10 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Is your idea that I should change the proverbial (for they are indeed obviously merely proverbial) pants at the same time as the proverbial wetting of, or much later after the proverbial fact? If you mean 'To' say I should change them at the same time as the wetting of, this is senseless; if you mean I should change them later on, then this is also spurious as one could take that as read (in the case, that is, that the proverbial pants were in fact literal pants). My point regarding 10 films being excessive is clearly borne out by some bizarre choices for nominess 2010-2013. Up in the Air, honestly? A solid film, a good film, but not of that calibre. Up? No way. Toy Story 3 - a hollow, paint by numbers, predictable, insipid, weak, saccharine, treacly, unremarkable, strictly mundane & strictly average affair; but the worst offender of all - The Descendants - Clooney's worst film since his renaissance man-like conversion from small screen to mega star; an uninteresting, frankly boring, at times horribly poor picture, which would never, ever, ever, have made anyone's lists in the years of only 5 nominees. Now consider 2009 (the last year of only 5): Frost/Nixon, Slumdog, Milk & a couple of others - 3 very strong films, 2 others less so, but NO FILLER, no pointless nominees just to make up the numbers. When The Descendants & TS3 are nominated for Best Picture, it cheapens & makes a mockery of the award. If you can't see this as plain as the lines on your palm (look closely), then you simply deserve what you get!

Feb 14 - 09:40 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Furthermore, it is well known that box office receipts increase for Best Picture nominees. Could this have anything to do with doubly their number? Also, since 10 films are Best Picture-worthy, why do we still only get 5 nominees for each acting category? If 10 films are Best Picture-worthy, presumably a corresponding number of performances should also be represented. The same, must, surely, go for directing? How can 10 films be Best Picture-worthy, but only 5 directors be Best Director-worthy? That is obviously loopy. Are we saying that there are twice as many complete FILMS that meet that standard, of being nominated, as there are of directors, actors, & the like? How can that be? Whichever way you look at it, it looks suspiciously like Hollywood trying to merely up their receipts by spreading the net wide on the Best Picture award. Best Director/actor/supporting actress clearly do not attract as much of a bonanza at the box office as a Best Picture nomination. Need I say more?

Feb 14 - 09:53 PM

Not L.

Not Likely

Please don't, you have shown yourself to be a complete and utter jackas$ who seemingly likes to hear themselves talk

Feb 15 - 10:18 AM

Tyler Bailey

Tyler Bailey

Oh wise philosopher Billy, please refrain from forcing your opinion on us until you have been recognized with an academy award yourself. When you provide me with proof of your first Oscar win I will withdraw my statement.

Feb 15 - 10:42 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

Extraordinary...nobody is supposed to have an opinion about a certain subject until they have attained the highest official distinction in that subject. If so, you can only talk about the Superbowl if you have won the Superbowl. Nobody can talk about Oscars until they have won an Oscar. Nobody can talk about the Presidency until they have been President. Nobody can talk about sharks until they been a shark. Nobody can talk about the Billboard charts until they have had a Billboard hit. Nobody can talk about astronauts until they have been into space. Who knew...????

Feb 15 - 11:54 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

- Not Likely - But if a person makes valid comments that are true, how is that making them into a jackass? I would suggest that flinging around insults is the mark of a person who 1. has an inferiority complex & cannot come up with anything intelligent by themself, & hate other people who display clearly superior intellect, who excite jealousy in them; 2. see 1.

Feb 15 - 11:55 AM

Diego Tutweiller

Diego John Rottweiler

I love how there are people who actually try to defend Toy Story 3's nomination for Best Picture as if it's somehow in league with actual films. What's next, someone coming out in defense of Up? Or... dare I say it... Hugo? Please. The Academy Awards are bullshit and everyone knows it. Y'all would do well to listen to Bill. He speaks the truth.

Feb 19 - 06:32 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

The oscars are full of idiots when it comes to the animation department. It was bad enough that they gave every award Tangled was nominated for to Toy Story 3 (and I will never forgive them for the song one [because all of the soundtracks to Toy Story have been crap]), but after they gave Brave the best animated feature award over PARANORMAN (the only good animated film of that year next to Frankenweenie) I have no respect for them & I find them as big of morons as the Razzies. So frankly, yes, Toy Story 3's oscar nomination was a joke, but I do not agree with your "cheap" argument. As much as I loathe Pixar, none of their boring, predictable kiddie-crap films are cheap by any means of the word.

Feb 20 - 01:25 PM

Phillip Patricia Groom

Phillip Patricia Groom

They should take into account the fnial box office talley in the best picture race.

Feb 13 - 10:10 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I think they should give them spelling tests.

Feb 13 - 10:18 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

Jinnistan, you misspelled, I think it was the word "change", a few weeks ago and no one gave a shit. I remember because of your constant grammar policing. Haven't you been on enough comment boards to get over it?

Feb 13 - 10:56 PM

Valmordas

Val Mordas

Because more idiots paying to see a film somehow makes it better? Box office numbers mean squat.

Feb 13 - 11:19 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Hey, ID, I just didn't feel like deconstructing what an awful idea basing the Best Picture off of box office returns actually is, so I took the easy road and went glib. Soo me.

Feb 14 - 12:58 PM

Dave J

Dave J

You mean "sue" me!

Feb 14 - 02:18 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

Backpedaling at its best.

Feb 14 - 03:03 PM

Dave J

Dave J

"Backpeddling"

Feb 14 - 03:05 PM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

@Infernal Dude - it seems on evidence that Jason (sp.? - Jansen?) is a highly frustrated gay man (nothing wrong with that) who actually hits on his enemies on this board under the feeble cloak of condescension...really quite sad. And furthermore takes out his anger via grammar policing...Sheesh

Feb 15 - 12:12 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Rico Suave over here....

Feb 15 - 11:26 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I guess it's a year too late to point out that "grammer" has to do with sentence structure, not spelling. Oh, well. Who needs yesterday's idiots?

Feb 20 - 02:49 PM

Brandon Little

Brandon Little

Of course, that's why The Avengers are the Best Picture front runners! Oh wait...

Feb 13 - 11:02 PM

King  S.

King Simba

It's funny. I actually think the crowd pleasers are at a disadvantage, because they're not considered serious award contenders. It seems that they only achieve greatness status later on. I mean look at any list of greatest 80s films and you'll likely see it filled with titles like Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Back to the Future, Empire Strikes Back, Aliens, films that at the time were not even considered for best picture. By comparison a lot of films that did win the best picture have pretty much been forgotten (What is Ordinary People remembered for other than winning the best pic over Elephant Man and Raging Bull?)

Feb 14 - 01:58 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"Ordinary People" is a fine film (Timothy Hutton is excellent), and still respected, although not as much as those other two. There are better examples: "Chariots of Fire", "Driving Miss Daisy", "Chicago", and there are many who have already forgotten "Slumdog Millionaire".

Feb 14 - 01:00 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

Shakespeare in Love beating Private Ryan is another travesty.

Feb 14 - 03:04 PM

stargateguardian

Matt K

Thin Red Line was the superior WWII flick of that year. Saving Private Ryan was all about the Normandy Beach scene, which was absolutely fantastic and deserves all the credit it receives. The rest of the movie, while good, wasn't nearly as impressive.

Feb 19 - 11:49 AM

bigbrother

Bigbrother .

Still more impressive than the sloth or Adrian Brody staring off into the distance which were the high points of A Thin Red Line for me.

Feb 19 - 10:50 PM

Alan Whittle

Alan Whittle

Having looked at your profile, you clearly have unbearably narrow tastes and therefore have no right to be bitching. So go home, and to hell for all I care.

Feb 13 - 06:35 PM

Gradhito Omar Ramadhan

Gradhito Omar Ramadhan

well i certainly agree with you

Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Brandon Little

Brandon Little

Haha just took a look as well. 0 stars to Toy Story 3. Remarkable. He's almost human.

Feb 13 - 11:03 PM

Olivia Iswara

Olivia Iswara

I could almost say he's a movie hater, why is he here at all?

Feb 14 - 12:51 AM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

They need to have a category for Biggest Brown-noser, as well as ones for Biggest Marketing Campaign and Best Hobnobbing With Academy Members.

People who like to argue about "what should have won" during the Oscars need to learn that these ceremonies are nothing but industry-driven pep rallies, and that all the choices (from nominations to eventual winners) are determined by industry politics.

Just look back over the decades and look and see how many of the Best Picture winners are largely forgettable and have been forgotten. Most of them are very safe, predictable choices that don't rock the boat in any way.

They'll often reward movies that focus on the film industry itself or ones that bring business to the Hollywood area.

The Academy itself is a very small group of people with a very limited range of taste and preferences. And that's fine, but people who are not in the industry need to understand this and stop expecting the Academy to represent the masses when they represent no one but themselves and the Academy as a whole.

All nominees and chosen winners are very calculated decisions with the business side of the industry fully taken into account.

Their agenda is to represent themselves, and that can change according to the time and year, and what's going on in the country or even world around them.

The Academy members tend not to like comedies, action, fantasy or sci-fi, and that's very unlikely to change.

The typical Academy member is a white male in his 60s, and that's by a rather the tastes of that social group.

So, it shouldn't be any surprise that the choices are very safe, with edgy fare or performances frequently ignored.

Feb 13 - 07:48 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

The problem is whether or not to call the award the Weinstein Prize, or whether we should just expect him to win every year.

Feb 13 - 10:20 PM

Dave J

Dave J

One category they won't be having is "Best Silent Movie" for obvious reasons, and seperating black and white films from movies released in color!

Feb 14 - 12:46 PM

Brandon Little

Brandon Little

You gave Toy Story 3 a zero percent. Don't think anybody cares about your opinion.

Feb 13 - 11:02 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Toy Story 3 makes Little Fockers look like Bringing Up Baby. TS3 is the most insipid, formulaic, weak, pitiful, lame, predictable, saccharine, shitty, paint-by-numbers, cringe-worthy, cheap, nasty, production-line, hollow, crappy movie I have ever seen. Without one iota of doubt - TS3 is quite simply the most overhyped, over-rated movie of all time. Hahaha aww poor TS lovers, aww are u a bit upset to hear this? Naaw hey youve got your Buzzes to play with, hmm? Go have a play, go play with your dinosaurs & teddies, it'll be ok they will hug you they wont let the nasty anti-TS3 man hurt you, no they wont :) You know Buzz will always be there for you, yes he will :)

Feb 14 - 06:27 AM

Hayashi_Levin

Jennifer Colbert

Dude. You are amazing. Every person is entitled to have his or her own opinion. It has been a long time since I've seen ANYONE belittle and berate someone else for having an differing opinion with quite so much vigor and anger. If this topic is so upsetting to you, perhaps you should consider taking a break from this website until such a time that you can approach the idea that no everyone agrees with you without being reduced to taunts that would be childish even coming from a 3rd grader...

Feb 15 - 05:55 AM

Christopher Jefferson

Christopher Jefferson

Wow, not to criticize your opinion, but could you be a little bit less condescending and rude to anyone who disagrees with your controversial opinion?

Feb 20 - 01:47 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

So when you thought that nobody cares about his opinion, you thought wrong. ANd when you thought that nobody cared because of his having giving TS3 a 0%, you were doubly wrong. It was for that precise fact that I cared a lot about his opinion, and a lot more than anyone else's; and lo, his comments are the most intelligent on the whole page. Just, you know, saying.

Feb 14 - 09:00 AM

Paxton Attridge

Paxton Attridge

Fascinated by your opinion yet repelled by your rhetoric. Overhyped? Almost certainly. Meritless? No. I do agree that it is very much predictable, and firmly rooted in many of the industry's cliches. But it very often rises ABOVE them, thanks if nothing else to Pixar's attention to detail and awareness of its audience's scope. Evaluate the ways in which it fulfilled its role as a children's movie, and THEN tell me that comparatively it is "formulaic, weak, pitiful, lame, predictable, saccharine, paint-by-numbers, etc.". You don't have to think it's WONDERFUL, and I don't either, but under that lens (and even on its own) it's got SOME merit. And you've pretty clearly never seen Little Fockers, if you wanna talk about insipid, formulaic, weak, pitiful, lame... Engage in dialogue, not childlike chiding.

Feb 14 - 10:43 AM

King  S.

King Simba

"It was for that precise fact that I cared a lot about his opinion"

Well since finding someone who loathes Toy Story is so rare, I guess you can't be very picky.

Feb 14 - 11:55 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Simba - it's like this: imagine out of 100 people, 2 are vegan/vegetarian. 98 people mock the 2 vegetarians on various grounds; 1 person arrives on the scene, respecting their ethical stance, and, despite the populist opinion being against the vegetarians, is, on the contrary, in favour of them. It is like that. It is not that the person only supports their stance/opinion on the grounds that there are only 2 of them; it is by virtue of the fact that their points of view are aligned. Frankly, I'm surprised that you failed to understand this fairly simple fact, & assumed it was somehow a case of having to hunt around & support the 1st person who happened to share a similar view; a most curious conclusion you managed to come to, to be sure!

Feb 14 - 10:06 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Paxton - granted, over-hyped was not the problem with TS3. And, the merits per se of the film are not paramount in this context; what I wanted to highlight was that it was utterly not Best Picture-worthy (thereby ought not to have been nominated, & never would have been in a 5 Best Picture year). It is not that children's films do not deserve to receive Academy Awards. Many, many fine pictures of that genre are every bit as superior as in any other genre. But TS3 - completely unremarkable; bland; predictable; treacly; and so on. Not that children do not enjoy it - for kids, it is marvellous entertainment. That fact however does not make it Best Picture-worthy. Bottom line - 10 films for Best Picture is prodigiously excessive. Half of the films are clearly filler & utterly outside of a chance of winning, & do not deserve their place.

Feb 14 - 10:22 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Respect? That's the last thing you've been showing. It's not that you hate a popular film that's the problem, it's that you're attacking those who did like it.

Feb 15 - 01:59 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

They're opinion doesn't matter just because they don't like one goddamn film the whole Internet worships. Wow.

Feb 20 - 12:33 PM

William J.

William Johnsten

Why? It's useless and (like RT said) a little patronizing. If a performance is good enough (whether child or adult), it'll be nominated. Quvenzhane Wallis was great and definitely deserved her nod this year without some Juvenile award.

Feb 13 - 05:41 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I kinda agree with Reimer. Expecting a 12 year old to compete against someone with the experience of say Jack Nicholson or Al Pacino is putting them at a tremendous disadvantage and more often than not these kids are getting a nom because their performance was good for someone their age. Remember Kirsten Dunst and the hype she got off Interview with the Vampire? Yeah, it was a great job, and she's a competent enough actress, but hardly the phenomenon she was hyped up to be. To me it's a little insulting to the art to think you can just go out and be that good. There are obvious child prodigy exceptions like Chloe Moretz or Liz Taylor, but they're by far the exception as opposed to the rule. Think it'd be nice to have both like Foreign film and animated feature which often also cross into the best film category.

Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

But the bottom line is who gives a *What* about an Oscar? The actors all get paid, & the fulfillment comes from realising their potential as artists & entertaining, enlightening, amusing, & delighting millions of people. When we so often see films that are blatant "Oscar baiters", it is clear that the line between the award being merely the icing on the cake and actually being a big part of the cake itself has been breached; and this is not good for so many reason that I cannot go into them here.

Feb 13 - 09:02 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

What if the actors aren't old enough to know how to "Oscar-bait" yet?

Feb 13 - 10:17 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Ah yes, tiny misunderstanding in your comprehension, but nevermind, easily corrected; you will note on close inspection that I said "we so often see Oscar bait"; note that "often" stands in contradistinction to "always"; therefore, there is vast scope left for any thing to fall outside of that context. Therefore, your question is simply irrelevant. If you somehow thought that I was stating that any and all movies, actors, roles, performances are invariably Oscar bait, then this is an extraordinary misunderstanding on your part. As it is, you probably just wanted to say something, anything, & blurted out the first thing that came into your head. Ehh, well, fair enough I guess.

Feb 14 - 06:39 AM

Todd Knaperek

Todd Knaperek

Hailee Steinfeld didn't do a bad job of it..

Feb 14 - 07:50 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Hahaha...great comment Todd. Thanks man (:

Feb 14 - 10:55 AM

King  S.

King Simba

The trouble with giving a separate category towards a certain group is that it kills their chances in the major category. That's why animated and foreign films are at a distinct disadvantage in the best picture race, because they have their own seperate catergories (heck, with the Golden Globes the best animated category actually hurt the Pixar films. It took them from being serious contenders for the best musical/comedy film to not even getting nominated while films like Nine and The Tourist got nominated instead).

Feb 14 - 11:50 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Bill Suave is not old enough to know how to innuendo.

Feb 14 - 12:55 PM

Gregory Eichelberger

Gregory Eichelberger

Bill, are you REALLY comparing Chloe Moretz to Elizabeth Taylor?

Feb 16 - 03:37 AM

quietus28

jj l

The juvenile category is pointless because the Oscar should be awarded to the best individual performance of the year. While that may be subjective, I don't see why past performance or experience should factor in (though obviously it frequently does).

Feb 19 - 12:24 PM

Omar Tapia

Omar Tapia

Big Brother, then why do actors like Barkhad Abdi, Lupita Nyong'o, Jennifer Lawrence or Jona Hill have a shot at competing against other much more experienced actors?
I believe it's a matter of how good the performance is, whether is your first or you've been doing it for 30 years.

Feb 21 - 03:19 PM

Typhon

Typhon Q

I think that the Juvenile Award would act as a stepping stone towards best performance awards. But if the child's performance was good enough, I think that he/she could be put in both categories, like how Amour is in Best Picture and Best Foreign Film this year.

Feb 13 - 10:04 PM

Teije Vliet

Teije Vliet

Well if the juvenile award is patronising, what are your thoughts on having seperate categories for men and women then? Surely that's even more patronising?

Feb 16 - 10:19 AM

Balls McHammer

kolya Fist

They should also rename Best Picture to Biggest Box Office

Feb 13 - 05:42 PM

crusader151

Peter Marsh

Umm that doesn't make any sense since the Best Picture winners are rarely the highest grossing thin in the catagory.

Feb 13 - 06:05 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

They are a joke; and they became a sad joke when they widened it to TEN films up fore Best Picture. Lets be honest, H-wood only turns out hardly that number of good films per year; how laughable to say that 10 of them are Best Picture worthy. Toy Story 3?? Best Picture?? Hahahahahahahahaha...oh sh** I just wet my pants, laughing so hard

Feb 13 - 09:04 PM

Typhon

Typhon Q

Now I think that they made it anywhere from 5 to 10.

Feb 13 - 10:01 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Toy Story 3 didn't just deserve the best picture nomination, it deserved to win it to. It probably would have to if the academy didn't look down so much on animated films.

Feb 14 - 01:24 AM

Paxton Attridge

Paxton Attridge

I in turn pity the contempt you exude royally, 'To' a degree which is frightening. There were a number of good films that year, perhaps even more than ten, seeing as a number of films could have just as easily fit into that nomination - particularly Rabbit Hole and The Town. Maybe none of them meet your standard, and that's fine, but understand that each of them clearly had SOME merit, and understand that people may beg to differ with such a general statement as "you wet yourself laughing about how Toy Story 3 could be a viable best picture candidate" - and for Lord's sake, change your pants.

Feb 14 - 10:10 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Is your idea that I should change the proverbial (for they are indeed obviously merely proverbial) pants at the same time as the proverbial wetting of, or much later after the proverbial fact? If you mean 'To' say I should change them at the same time as the wetting of, this is senseless; if you mean I should change them later on, then this is also spurious as one could take that as read (in the case, that is, that the proverbial pants were in fact literal pants). My point regarding 10 films being excessive is clearly borne out by some bizarre choices for nominess 2010-2013. Up in the Air, honestly? A solid film, a good film, but not of that calibre. Up? No way. Toy Story 3 - a hollow, paint by numbers, predictable, insipid, weak, saccharine, treacly, unremarkable, strictly mundane & strictly average affair; but the worst offender of all - The Descendants - Clooney's worst film since his renaissance man-like conversion from small screen to mega star; an uninteresting, frankly boring, at times horribly poor picture, which would never, ever, ever, have made anyone's lists in the years of only 5 nominees. Now consider 2009 (the last year of only 5): Frost/Nixon, Slumdog, Milk & a couple of others - 3 very strong films, 2 others less so, but NO FILLER, no pointless nominees just to make up the numbers. When The Descendants & TS3 are nominated for Best Picture, it cheapens & makes a mockery of the award. If you can't see this as plain as the lines on your palm (look closely), then you simply deserve what you get!

Feb 14 - 09:40 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Furthermore, it is well known that box office receipts increase for Best Picture nominees. Could this have anything to do with doubly their number? Also, since 10 films are Best Picture-worthy, why do we still only get 5 nominees for each acting category? If 10 films are Best Picture-worthy, presumably a corresponding number of performances should also be represented. The same, must, surely, go for directing? How can 10 films be Best Picture-worthy, but only 5 directors be Best Director-worthy? That is obviously loopy. Are we saying that there are twice as many complete FILMS that meet that standard, of being nominated, as there are of directors, actors, & the like? How can that be? Whichever way you look at it, it looks suspiciously like Hollywood trying to merely up their receipts by spreading the net wide on the Best Picture award. Best Director/actor/supporting actress clearly do not attract as much of a bonanza at the box office as a Best Picture nomination. Need I say more?

Feb 14 - 09:53 PM

Not L.

Not Likely

Please don't, you have shown yourself to be a complete and utter jackas$ who seemingly likes to hear themselves talk

Feb 15 - 10:18 AM

Tyler Bailey

Tyler Bailey

Oh wise philosopher Billy, please refrain from forcing your opinion on us until you have been recognized with an academy award yourself. When you provide me with proof of your first Oscar win I will withdraw my statement.

Feb 15 - 10:42 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

Extraordinary...nobody is supposed to have an opinion about a certain subject until they have attained the highest official distinction in that subject. If so, you can only talk about the Superbowl if you have won the Superbowl. Nobody can talk about Oscars until they have won an Oscar. Nobody can talk about the Presidency until they have been President. Nobody can talk about sharks until they been a shark. Nobody can talk about the Billboard charts until they have had a Billboard hit. Nobody can talk about astronauts until they have been into space. Who knew...????

Feb 15 - 11:54 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

- Not Likely - But if a person makes valid comments that are true, how is that making them into a jackass? I would suggest that flinging around insults is the mark of a person who 1. has an inferiority complex & cannot come up with anything intelligent by themself, & hate other people who display clearly superior intellect, who excite jealousy in them; 2. see 1.

Feb 15 - 11:55 AM

Diego Tutweiller

Diego John Rottweiler

I love how there are people who actually try to defend Toy Story 3's nomination for Best Picture as if it's somehow in league with actual films. What's next, someone coming out in defense of Up? Or... dare I say it... Hugo? Please. The Academy Awards are bullshit and everyone knows it. Y'all would do well to listen to Bill. He speaks the truth.

Feb 19 - 06:32 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

The oscars are full of idiots when it comes to the animation department. It was bad enough that they gave every award Tangled was nominated for to Toy Story 3 (and I will never forgive them for the song one [because all of the soundtracks to Toy Story have been crap]), but after they gave Brave the best animated feature award over PARANORMAN (the only good animated film of that year next to Frankenweenie) I have no respect for them & I find them as big of morons as the Razzies. So frankly, yes, Toy Story 3's oscar nomination was a joke, but I do not agree with your "cheap" argument. As much as I loathe Pixar, none of their boring, predictable kiddie-crap films are cheap by any means of the word.

Feb 20 - 01:25 PM

Phillip Patricia Groom

Phillip Patricia Groom

They should take into account the fnial box office talley in the best picture race.

Feb 13 - 10:10 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I think they should give them spelling tests.

Feb 13 - 10:18 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

Jinnistan, you misspelled, I think it was the word "change", a few weeks ago and no one gave a shit. I remember because of your constant grammar policing. Haven't you been on enough comment boards to get over it?

Feb 13 - 10:56 PM

Valmordas

Val Mordas

Because more idiots paying to see a film somehow makes it better? Box office numbers mean squat.

Feb 13 - 11:19 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Hey, ID, I just didn't feel like deconstructing what an awful idea basing the Best Picture off of box office returns actually is, so I took the easy road and went glib. Soo me.

Feb 14 - 12:58 PM

Dave J

Dave J

You mean "sue" me!

Feb 14 - 02:18 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

Backpedaling at its best.

Feb 14 - 03:03 PM

Dave J

Dave J

"Backpeddling"

Feb 14 - 03:05 PM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

@Infernal Dude - it seems on evidence that Jason (sp.? - Jansen?) is a highly frustrated gay man (nothing wrong with that) who actually hits on his enemies on this board under the feeble cloak of condescension...really quite sad. And furthermore takes out his anger via grammar policing...Sheesh

Feb 15 - 12:12 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Rico Suave over here....

Feb 15 - 11:26 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I guess it's a year too late to point out that "grammer" has to do with sentence structure, not spelling. Oh, well. Who needs yesterday's idiots?

Feb 20 - 02:49 PM

Brandon Little

Brandon Little

Of course, that's why The Avengers are the Best Picture front runners! Oh wait...

Feb 13 - 11:02 PM

King  S.

King Simba

It's funny. I actually think the crowd pleasers are at a disadvantage, because they're not considered serious award contenders. It seems that they only achieve greatness status later on. I mean look at any list of greatest 80s films and you'll likely see it filled with titles like Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Back to the Future, Empire Strikes Back, Aliens, films that at the time were not even considered for best picture. By comparison a lot of films that did win the best picture have pretty much been forgotten (What is Ordinary People remembered for other than winning the best pic over Elephant Man and Raging Bull?)

Feb 14 - 01:58 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"Ordinary People" is a fine film (Timothy Hutton is excellent), and still respected, although not as much as those other two. There are better examples: "Chariots of Fire", "Driving Miss Daisy", "Chicago", and there are many who have already forgotten "Slumdog Millionaire".

Feb 14 - 01:00 PM

infernaldude

Infernal Dude

Shakespeare in Love beating Private Ryan is another travesty.

Feb 14 - 03:04 PM

stargateguardian

Matt K

Thin Red Line was the superior WWII flick of that year. Saving Private Ryan was all about the Normandy Beach scene, which was absolutely fantastic and deserves all the credit it receives. The rest of the movie, while good, wasn't nearly as impressive.

Feb 19 - 11:49 AM

bigbrother

Bigbrother .

Still more impressive than the sloth or Adrian Brody staring off into the distance which were the high points of A Thin Red Line for me.

Feb 19 - 10:50 PM

crusader151

Peter Marsh

Umm that doesn't make any sense since the Best Picture winners are rarely the highest grossing thin in the catagory.

Feb 13 - 06:05 PM

Dick Travis

Mick Travis

Awesome article, Jeff, loved reading it. The only omission I would like to include is Best Story (1927-1957), among the winners being MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON, HERE COMES MR. JORDAN and THE 49TH PARALLEL. It was discontinued obviously because of the fact it seemed redundant to have both Story and Screenplay be separate categories.

As far as Juvenile Award, I can understand it being a tad patronizing, but I actually think the Academy should bring it back, but this time have it be a real Academy Award and not the miniature as it was before. No age discrimination intended, but I do think child actors should be considered in a different category. I feel bad for stuntmen: they have been lobbying for decades to be considered for a Best Stunts Oscar, yet the Academy still won't recognize them.

One more thing: there has only been one time in Oscar history in which someone won yet was NOT NOMINATED: Hal Mohr for his gorgeous cinematography in the 1935 version of A MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S DREAM; he only won due to a massive write-in campaign. I definitely think they should allow write-ins; perhaps Ben Affleck would have benefited from it.

Feb 13 - 06:19 PM

Jeff Giles

Jeff Giles

Thanks for the kind words, Mick -- as well as the trivia. I usually learn something when I write these Total Recalls, but this one led to some particularly fascinating stories. Also: Agreed on the stuntmen.

Feb 15 - 04:45 PM

Kevin Breen

Kevin Breen

I think the Best Assistant Director award was probably retired simply because it's impossible to know whether or not the AD was any good just from watching the film. A good AD is crucial for keeping things running smoothly and efficiently, but they typically have little or no creative input, and to the extent that they do have creative input, it's impossible to distinguish whether or not it came from them or the director.

Feb 13 - 06:24 PM

Jeff Giles

Jeff Giles

Good point, although I still think it's a shame.

Feb 15 - 04:46 PM

Alan Whittle

Alan Whittle

Having looked at your profile, you clearly have unbearably narrow tastes and therefore have no right to be bitching. So go home, and to hell for all I care.

Feb 13 - 06:35 PM

Gradhito Omar Ramadhan

Gradhito Omar Ramadhan

well i certainly agree with you

Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Brandon Little

Brandon Little

Haha just took a look as well. 0 stars to Toy Story 3. Remarkable. He's almost human.

Feb 13 - 11:03 PM

Olivia Iswara

Olivia Iswara

I could almost say he's a movie hater, why is he here at all?

Feb 14 - 12:51 AM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

They need to have a category for Biggest Brown-noser, as well as ones for Biggest Marketing Campaign and Best Hobnobbing With Academy Members.

People who like to argue about "what should have won" during the Oscars need to learn that these ceremonies are nothing but industry-driven pep rallies, and that all the choices (from nominations to eventual winners) are determined by industry politics.

Just look back over the decades and look and see how many of the Best Picture winners are largely forgettable and have been forgotten. Most of them are very safe, predictable choices that don't rock the boat in any way.

They'll often reward movies that focus on the film industry itself or ones that bring business to the Hollywood area.

The Academy itself is a very small group of people with a very limited range of taste and preferences. And that's fine, but people who are not in the industry need to understand this and stop expecting the Academy to represent the masses when they represent no one but themselves and the Academy as a whole.

All nominees and chosen winners are very calculated decisions with the business side of the industry fully taken into account.

Their agenda is to represent themselves, and that can change according to the time and year, and what's going on in the country or even world around them.

The Academy members tend not to like comedies, action, fantasy or sci-fi, and that's very unlikely to change.

The typical Academy member is a white male in his 60s, and that's by a rather the tastes of that social group.

So, it shouldn't be any surprise that the choices are very safe, with edgy fare or performances frequently ignored.

Feb 13 - 07:48 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

The problem is whether or not to call the award the Weinstein Prize, or whether we should just expect him to win every year.

Feb 13 - 10:20 PM

Dave J

Dave J

One category they won't be having is "Best Silent Movie" for obvious reasons, and seperating black and white films from movies released in color!

Feb 14 - 12:46 PM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

I think it would be cool if the Academy nominated 15-20 films for best picture and then declared 3-5 winners for Best Pictures of the Year. That way, the Academy could give more attention to films that deserve it.

Feb 13 - 08:34 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Would kinda cheapen it though don't you think?

Feb 13 - 08:46 PM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

I think it would be less of a competition and more of a celebration of film. Also, more indie movies could get more attention, and there would be more room in the best picture category for genres that often get overlooked, like comedy, action, and sci-fi.

Feb 13 - 08:55 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

AFI should do annual shows. I'd watch 'em.

Feb 13 - 10:20 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I don't mind more nominations, but for my money for winners, much like in Highlander, there can be only one.

Feb 13 - 08:46 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

And like "Highlander", it probably won't deserve it.

Feb 13 - 10:21 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Did you just diss Connor McLeod of the Clan McLeod? He was trained by Sean Connery, lived 600 years and killed Clancey Brown in single combat. Who deserves the prize more. True "The Prize" turned out to be kinda lame in the sequels, but still...

Feb 14 - 03:33 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

WTF Gage LOL that's quite possibly the most ludicrous suggestion I've ever heard, hey how about an idea, put EVRY movie made each year into the hat, throw away the hat and call them all winners!! Smh now im pretty sure Ive heard it all :)

Feb 13 - 09:07 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Hey, everybody, our uncle has wet his pants laughing at Toy Story again. Oh, just rambling, something about Hollywood and cake-breaching and throwing movies at homeless people. You got his keys? Do him a favor.

Feb 13 - 10:26 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

^^^Oh you poor, poor soul. Hey, anyone got your keys to your toy box? You might wana take out some of your confusion on your Buzz Lightyear. BTW, since you missed it, the allusion to pants-wetting is a common one when referring to great hilarity. I realise such obscure references are difficult for your ilk, but bear with me, hmm? Also, the analogy of icing on a cake vs. the cake itself is a good & simply one; the word breaching is used in a perfectly valid sense, so um what are you even talking about? If you have anything sensible to say, then you should say so in a sensible way that accurately reflects what you are commenting on & highlights your own intelligence. As it stands, it reads like a desperate Toy Story lover who has twisted his knickers & fallen flat trying to calumniate a Toy Story despiser. It's all a bit embarrassing for you, frankly. Quite sad

Feb 14 - 06:17 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Furthermore, shouldnt you be commenting on Gage's suggestion? That is what you replied to; instead, you made it into a desperate plea for everyone to love Toy Story, an incoherent & sadly confused attempted rhetorical demolition which failed so utterly miserably that it does nothing but serve to show how feeble your intellect is; which is not so surprising, considering you apparently make an idol out of Toy Story. Tragic

Feb 14 - 06:20 AM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

LOL

Feb 14 - 10:16 AM

King  S.

King Simba

The only one who's being desperate is you Bill. Everyone else simply seems amused by your outbursts. Oh well, every board needs its ranting troll to offer us some entertainment, so by all means rant away.

Feb 14 - 12:04 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"the allusion to pants-wetting is a common one when referring to great hilarity"

It's also a common reference to drunken slobbery, reinforced by your feverish, fetid wit.

"the analogy of icing on a cake vs. the cake itself is a good & simply one"

Some might even say "contrived".

"If you have anything sensible to say, then you should say so in a sensible way that accurately reflects what you are commenting on & highlights your own intelligence"

Gosh, I guess I'll have to pepper my prose with discernable elucidations like, "WTF", "LOL", "EVRY", "Smh", or some hot burst of linguistic invention like "twisted his knickers".

"instead, you made it into a desperate plea for everyone to love Toy Story"

Did I? Where was this exactly?

"considering you apparently make an idol out of Toy Story"

Who? You still talking to me? Could it be possible that I idolize "Toy Story" to such a degree that, like the holy name of YHWH, I dare not ever mention it on any of my favorite film lists? Or could it be....

"... an incoherent & sadly confused attempted rhetorical demolition which failed so utterly miserably that it does nothing but serve to show how feeble your intellect is."

Well, that is tragic. Scared by his own shadow. Listen, sweetness, I usually avoid tangling with suspiciously faceless posters from Facebook, who start fires one night, while condescending with By Joves the next day, so I'll leave it to quote the most tragic tale of them all - "The Nightman Cometh": You got to pay the Troll's toll, if you want to get in this boy's hole.

Feb 14 - 01:21 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

King Simba - nice employment of popular internet memery, good use of "troll" - a low score for difficulty, but a solid 8 for using the correct meme. Very good!

Feb 14 - 10:02 PM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

Well, you know, that is just, like, your opinion, man. I still love the idea. 15-20 films is only 5-10 more films than we usually have. And don't tell me that you can't think of 5+ films from this year that deserved to be nominated for best picture. I can think of several: Moonrise Kingdom, Skyfall, Looper, Perks of Being a Wallflower, Dark Knight Rises. There, that was easy.

Feb 14 - 10:15 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Janson - pants-wetting is indeed a well-known analogy applied to great hilarity. Do not pretend to be ignorant of the fact! As for the icing on the cake analogy, the definition of an analogy is that it is an artificial comparison to an actual event/fact - in is by its very nature contrived. An uncontrived analogy - there is simply no such thing! If there is, please show me. Next, my reason for encouraging you to speak sensibly was because you mentioned "cake-breaching", when the breaching referred to was the breaching of the line between the proverbial icing on the cake & the cake itself; a very clear use of the verb to breach, which you apparently failed to grasp. As for Toy Story 3, it is what it is. As for not having a photo on a Facebook account - that has nothing to do with anything in this context. The last few lines of your post are most distinguished by the use of the term "sweetness", which betrays something just that little bit...fruity, let's say.

Feb 14 - 10:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"Suave" is Italian for sweet, hon. And your name is pretty contrived. You're confusing the word's meaning as a verb and as an adjective. As the latter, it means "forced" as in it shows a rather weak stretch of imagination.

Feb 14 - 10:13 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

An analogy by definition is an artifical comparison to an actual event/phenomena. It is by its very nature contrived - if you know of an uncontrived analogy, then do show it. Again, the use of "hun" to talk to a complete stranger presumably of the same sex is extremely fruity & presumptuous. Consider if it were two members of the opposite sex -such affectionate terminology would be deemed inappropriate. Therefore, if you want to be a fruit - which is your absolute prerogative - do so amongst people you know, & not to strangers. For example, I would not start calling a female member on this board by such names, as it would be quite out of place.

Feb 14 - 10:28 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Yes, you certainly would never be so presumptuous with a stranger, would you? You would never imagine me getting "twisted" in my knickers, right? You wouldn't have strange imaginings about what kinds of toys fans of "Toy Story" indulge? And certainly it would be embarrassing if you were to even (gulp!) assume that I was some kind of "Toy Story" fan or something. But, shucks, it's a good thing you've learned a manner or two since you've logged on the page. You seem almost pious now in your gentle sheepish semantics. No sense of humor, obviously, but maybe that's a side effect of your Detrol medication (or whatever you need to keep your pants dry).

Feb 14 - 10:58 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

The reference to pants-wetting was in the proverbial sense of great hilarity; this is a well-known and oft-employed figure of speech: "I laughed so much I almost wet myself/I wet myself". Frankly I'm slightly surprised that presumably intelligent people are unfamiliar with common turns of phrase such as this; & have great difficulty in interpreting them correctly. As to your toys, the toys I specified were: Buzz Lightyear, dinosaurs, & teddies. Any other kind of toy is of your own choosing - whatever insinuation you want to add, you are at liberty to do so. In any event, my point: in a public forum where strangers converse, it is not really etiquette to address people in affectionate/over-friendly terms, not even in in the most conventional contexts (heterosexual) - in the vast majority of cases, those overtures or liberties taken are felt to be, in a word, creepy. When such liberties are indulged in a more, in so many words, unconventional manner - it is arguably all the more awkward & inappropriate. The attempted condescending tone by means of which the perpetrator seeks to cover up his downright flirtiness is actually mildly disturbing. You ought to know this - you can't assume 1. everyone is gay, 2. people are interested in your veiled flirting.

Feb 15 - 12:48 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I haven't read anyone on the page who's shown any interest in anything you've had to say about either movies, proverbs, etiquette, bladder control, or teddy bears. Sure, I respond, because I don't take you seriously enough to disagree with. Not having a face on your facebook profile is one thing; not knowing the etymology of your own surname; especially one that is easily learned in a basic Spanish class, that drops you even lower on the shit-giving scale. Simba's weighed in on your "desperate outbursts", and Paxton Attridge was clearly unimpressed with your "childlike chiding". So here you are. Responding to me as if I've said anything to you that suggested any respect I may have for your existence. Of course, being a terminal idiot, you were bound to confuse this middling attention for some kind of perverse affection. You can't assume 1. anyone cares, 2. people have the patience to explain to your thick skull just how little they care.

Consider me a Sister of Mercy.

Feb 15 - 02:11 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

- Janson - you are obviously gay and were obviously hitting on a stranger, and disguising it with condescension, which is doubly disgusting. If it were a man flirting up to a woman on this board, everyone would immediately call it out as wrong & inappropriate; since gays have a certain PC Teflonity - & who, after all, would deny them that small mercy - you can get away with it. However, after having been snapped, if you resort to snarling attacks & abuse, it is just all the more pathetic. Desperate gay guys hitting on complete strangers in a public forum in the desperate hope that they are either also gay/bi/ambivalent/just as desperate is a dreary & miserable existence.

Feb 15 - 12:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

It gets better, Liiam (Cross "i") Cruz.

(Sorry for the delay in my respose. Your mom's drunk.)

Feb 15 - 11:38 PM

Igor de Braga

Igor de Braga

This reminds of the AFI, that first estabilished their awards in 2001 with both Academy (and Emmy)-like categories and a top ten list. Now it's just the list. And their 2012 top ten had only two differences to Best Picture, no Amour (since it's US-only), and including two pictures people bitched about their exclusion (Dark Knight Rises and Moonrise Kingdom).

Feb 14 - 01:01 PM

Gradhito Omar Ramadhan

Gradhito Omar Ramadhan

well i certainly agree with you

Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I kinda agree with Reimer. Expecting a 12 year old to compete against someone with the experience of say Jack Nicholson or Al Pacino is putting them at a tremendous disadvantage and more often than not these kids are getting a nom because their performance was good for someone their age. Remember Kirsten Dunst and the hype she got off Interview with the Vampire? Yeah, it was a great job, and she's a competent enough actress, but hardly the phenomenon she was hyped up to be. To me it's a little insulting to the art to think you can just go out and be that good. There are obvious child prodigy exceptions like Chloe Moretz or Liz Taylor, but they're by far the exception as opposed to the rule. Think it'd be nice to have both like Foreign film and animated feature which often also cross into the best film category.

Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

But the bottom line is who gives a *What* about an Oscar? The actors all get paid, & the fulfillment comes from realising their potential as artists & entertaining, enlightening, amusing, & delighting millions of people. When we so often see films that are blatant "Oscar baiters", it is clear that the line between the award being merely the icing on the cake and actually being a big part of the cake itself has been breached; and this is not good for so many reason that I cannot go into them here.

Feb 13 - 09:02 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

What if the actors aren't old enough to know how to "Oscar-bait" yet?

Feb 13 - 10:17 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Ah yes, tiny misunderstanding in your comprehension, but nevermind, easily corrected; you will note on close inspection that I said "we so often see Oscar bait"; note that "often" stands in contradistinction to "always"; therefore, there is vast scope left for any thing to fall outside of that context. Therefore, your question is simply irrelevant. If you somehow thought that I was stating that any and all movies, actors, roles, performances are invariably Oscar bait, then this is an extraordinary misunderstanding on your part. As it is, you probably just wanted to say something, anything, & blurted out the first thing that came into your head. Ehh, well, fair enough I guess.

Feb 14 - 06:39 AM

Todd Knaperek

Todd Knaperek

Hailee Steinfeld didn't do a bad job of it..

Feb 14 - 07:50 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Hahaha...great comment Todd. Thanks man (:

Feb 14 - 10:55 AM

King  S.

King Simba

The trouble with giving a separate category towards a certain group is that it kills their chances in the major category. That's why animated and foreign films are at a distinct disadvantage in the best picture race, because they have their own seperate catergories (heck, with the Golden Globes the best animated category actually hurt the Pixar films. It took them from being serious contenders for the best musical/comedy film to not even getting nominated while films like Nine and The Tourist got nominated instead).

Feb 14 - 11:50 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Bill Suave is not old enough to know how to innuendo.

Feb 14 - 12:55 PM

Gregory Eichelberger

Gregory Eichelberger

Bill, are you REALLY comparing Chloe Moretz to Elizabeth Taylor?

Feb 16 - 03:37 AM

quietus28

jj l

The juvenile category is pointless because the Oscar should be awarded to the best individual performance of the year. While that may be subjective, I don't see why past performance or experience should factor in (though obviously it frequently does).

Feb 19 - 12:24 PM

Omar Tapia

Omar Tapia

Big Brother, then why do actors like Barkhad Abdi, Lupita Nyong'o, Jennifer Lawrence or Jona Hill have a shot at competing against other much more experienced actors?
I believe it's a matter of how good the performance is, whether is your first or you've been doing it for 30 years.

Feb 21 - 03:19 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Would kinda cheapen it though don't you think?

Feb 13 - 08:46 PM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

I think it would be less of a competition and more of a celebration of film. Also, more indie movies could get more attention, and there would be more room in the best picture category for genres that often get overlooked, like comedy, action, and sci-fi.

Feb 13 - 08:55 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

AFI should do annual shows. I'd watch 'em.

Feb 13 - 10:20 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I don't mind more nominations, but for my money for winners, much like in Highlander, there can be only one.

Feb 13 - 08:46 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

And like "Highlander", it probably won't deserve it.

Feb 13 - 10:21 PM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

Did you just diss Connor McLeod of the Clan McLeod? He was trained by Sean Connery, lived 600 years and killed Clancey Brown in single combat. Who deserves the prize more. True "The Prize" turned out to be kinda lame in the sequels, but still...

Feb 14 - 03:33 PM

John Matrix

John Matrix

Anyone else find it kind of annoying that after the Academy got rid of the "Best Unique and Artistic Quality of Production" award that, since they had to choose between Wings and Sunrise for the title of "first Best Picture winner", they chose Wings? Sunrise is a better film, and it's probably better remembered and respected today, too.

Feb 13 - 08:53 PM

Dick Travis

Mick Travis

I second!

Feb 13 - 09:34 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I noticed that too, but, you know, Germans.

Feb 13 - 10:27 PM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

I think it would be less of a competition and more of a celebration of film. Also, more indie movies could get more attention, and there would be more room in the best picture category for genres that often get overlooked, like comedy, action, and sci-fi.

Feb 13 - 08:55 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

AFI should do annual shows. I'd watch 'em.

Feb 13 - 10:20 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

But the bottom line is who gives a *What* about an Oscar? The actors all get paid, & the fulfillment comes from realising their potential as artists & entertaining, enlightening, amusing, & delighting millions of people. When we so often see films that are blatant "Oscar baiters", it is clear that the line between the award being merely the icing on the cake and actually being a big part of the cake itself has been breached; and this is not good for so many reason that I cannot go into them here.

Feb 13 - 09:02 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

They are a joke; and they became a sad joke when they widened it to TEN films up fore Best Picture. Lets be honest, H-wood only turns out hardly that number of good films per year; how laughable to say that 10 of them are Best Picture worthy. Toy Story 3?? Best Picture?? Hahahahahahahahaha...oh sh** I just wet my pants, laughing so hard

Feb 13 - 09:04 PM

Typhon

Typhon Q

Now I think that they made it anywhere from 5 to 10.

Feb 13 - 10:01 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Toy Story 3 didn't just deserve the best picture nomination, it deserved to win it to. It probably would have to if the academy didn't look down so much on animated films.

Feb 14 - 01:24 AM

Paxton Attridge

Paxton Attridge

I in turn pity the contempt you exude royally, 'To' a degree which is frightening. There were a number of good films that year, perhaps even more than ten, seeing as a number of films could have just as easily fit into that nomination - particularly Rabbit Hole and The Town. Maybe none of them meet your standard, and that's fine, but understand that each of them clearly had SOME merit, and understand that people may beg to differ with such a general statement as "you wet yourself laughing about how Toy Story 3 could be a viable best picture candidate" - and for Lord's sake, change your pants.

Feb 14 - 10:10 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Is your idea that I should change the proverbial (for they are indeed obviously merely proverbial) pants at the same time as the proverbial wetting of, or much later after the proverbial fact? If you mean 'To' say I should change them at the same time as the wetting of, this is senseless; if you mean I should change them later on, then this is also spurious as one could take that as read (in the case, that is, that the proverbial pants were in fact literal pants). My point regarding 10 films being excessive is clearly borne out by some bizarre choices for nominess 2010-2013. Up in the Air, honestly? A solid film, a good film, but not of that calibre. Up? No way. Toy Story 3 - a hollow, paint by numbers, predictable, insipid, weak, saccharine, treacly, unremarkable, strictly mundane & strictly average affair; but the worst offender of all - The Descendants - Clooney's worst film since his renaissance man-like conversion from small screen to mega star; an uninteresting, frankly boring, at times horribly poor picture, which would never, ever, ever, have made anyone's lists in the years of only 5 nominees. Now consider 2009 (the last year of only 5): Frost/Nixon, Slumdog, Milk & a couple of others - 3 very strong films, 2 others less so, but NO FILLER, no pointless nominees just to make up the numbers. When The Descendants & TS3 are nominated for Best Picture, it cheapens & makes a mockery of the award. If you can't see this as plain as the lines on your palm (look closely), then you simply deserve what you get!

Feb 14 - 09:40 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Furthermore, it is well known that box office receipts increase for Best Picture nominees. Could this have anything to do with doubly their number? Also, since 10 films are Best Picture-worthy, why do we still only get 5 nominees for each acting category? If 10 films are Best Picture-worthy, presumably a corresponding number of performances should also be represented. The same, must, surely, go for directing? How can 10 films be Best Picture-worthy, but only 5 directors be Best Director-worthy? That is obviously loopy. Are we saying that there are twice as many complete FILMS that meet that standard, of being nominated, as there are of directors, actors, & the like? How can that be? Whichever way you look at it, it looks suspiciously like Hollywood trying to merely up their receipts by spreading the net wide on the Best Picture award. Best Director/actor/supporting actress clearly do not attract as much of a bonanza at the box office as a Best Picture nomination. Need I say more?

Feb 14 - 09:53 PM

Not L.

Not Likely

Please don't, you have shown yourself to be a complete and utter jackas$ who seemingly likes to hear themselves talk

Feb 15 - 10:18 AM

Tyler Bailey

Tyler Bailey

Oh wise philosopher Billy, please refrain from forcing your opinion on us until you have been recognized with an academy award yourself. When you provide me with proof of your first Oscar win I will withdraw my statement.

Feb 15 - 10:42 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

Extraordinary...nobody is supposed to have an opinion about a certain subject until they have attained the highest official distinction in that subject. If so, you can only talk about the Superbowl if you have won the Superbowl. Nobody can talk about Oscars until they have won an Oscar. Nobody can talk about the Presidency until they have been President. Nobody can talk about sharks until they been a shark. Nobody can talk about the Billboard charts until they have had a Billboard hit. Nobody can talk about astronauts until they have been into space. Who knew...????

Feb 15 - 11:54 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

- Not Likely - But if a person makes valid comments that are true, how is that making them into a jackass? I would suggest that flinging around insults is the mark of a person who 1. has an inferiority complex & cannot come up with anything intelligent by themself, & hate other people who display clearly superior intellect, who excite jealousy in them; 2. see 1.

Feb 15 - 11:55 AM

Diego Tutweiller

Diego John Rottweiler

I love how there are people who actually try to defend Toy Story 3's nomination for Best Picture as if it's somehow in league with actual films. What's next, someone coming out in defense of Up? Or... dare I say it... Hugo? Please. The Academy Awards are bullshit and everyone knows it. Y'all would do well to listen to Bill. He speaks the truth.

Feb 19 - 06:32 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

The oscars are full of idiots when it comes to the animation department. It was bad enough that they gave every award Tangled was nominated for to Toy Story 3 (and I will never forgive them for the song one [because all of the soundtracks to Toy Story have been crap]), but after they gave Brave the best animated feature award over PARANORMAN (the only good animated film of that year next to Frankenweenie) I have no respect for them & I find them as big of morons as the Razzies. So frankly, yes, Toy Story 3's oscar nomination was a joke, but I do not agree with your "cheap" argument. As much as I loathe Pixar, none of their boring, predictable kiddie-crap films are cheap by any means of the word.

Feb 20 - 01:25 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

WTF Gage LOL that's quite possibly the most ludicrous suggestion I've ever heard, hey how about an idea, put EVRY movie made each year into the hat, throw away the hat and call them all winners!! Smh now im pretty sure Ive heard it all :)

Feb 13 - 09:07 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Hey, everybody, our uncle has wet his pants laughing at Toy Story again. Oh, just rambling, something about Hollywood and cake-breaching and throwing movies at homeless people. You got his keys? Do him a favor.

Feb 13 - 10:26 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

^^^Oh you poor, poor soul. Hey, anyone got your keys to your toy box? You might wana take out some of your confusion on your Buzz Lightyear. BTW, since you missed it, the allusion to pants-wetting is a common one when referring to great hilarity. I realise such obscure references are difficult for your ilk, but bear with me, hmm? Also, the analogy of icing on a cake vs. the cake itself is a good & simply one; the word breaching is used in a perfectly valid sense, so um what are you even talking about? If you have anything sensible to say, then you should say so in a sensible way that accurately reflects what you are commenting on & highlights your own intelligence. As it stands, it reads like a desperate Toy Story lover who has twisted his knickers & fallen flat trying to calumniate a Toy Story despiser. It's all a bit embarrassing for you, frankly. Quite sad

Feb 14 - 06:17 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Furthermore, shouldnt you be commenting on Gage's suggestion? That is what you replied to; instead, you made it into a desperate plea for everyone to love Toy Story, an incoherent & sadly confused attempted rhetorical demolition which failed so utterly miserably that it does nothing but serve to show how feeble your intellect is; which is not so surprising, considering you apparently make an idol out of Toy Story. Tragic

Feb 14 - 06:20 AM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

LOL

Feb 14 - 10:16 AM

King  S.

King Simba

The only one who's being desperate is you Bill. Everyone else simply seems amused by your outbursts. Oh well, every board needs its ranting troll to offer us some entertainment, so by all means rant away.

Feb 14 - 12:04 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"the allusion to pants-wetting is a common one when referring to great hilarity"

It's also a common reference to drunken slobbery, reinforced by your feverish, fetid wit.

"the analogy of icing on a cake vs. the cake itself is a good & simply one"

Some might even say "contrived".

"If you have anything sensible to say, then you should say so in a sensible way that accurately reflects what you are commenting on & highlights your own intelligence"

Gosh, I guess I'll have to pepper my prose with discernable elucidations like, "WTF", "LOL", "EVRY", "Smh", or some hot burst of linguistic invention like "twisted his knickers".

"instead, you made it into a desperate plea for everyone to love Toy Story"

Did I? Where was this exactly?

"considering you apparently make an idol out of Toy Story"

Who? You still talking to me? Could it be possible that I idolize "Toy Story" to such a degree that, like the holy name of YHWH, I dare not ever mention it on any of my favorite film lists? Or could it be....

"... an incoherent & sadly confused attempted rhetorical demolition which failed so utterly miserably that it does nothing but serve to show how feeble your intellect is."

Well, that is tragic. Scared by his own shadow. Listen, sweetness, I usually avoid tangling with suspiciously faceless posters from Facebook, who start fires one night, while condescending with By Joves the next day, so I'll leave it to quote the most tragic tale of them all - "The Nightman Cometh": You got to pay the Troll's toll, if you want to get in this boy's hole.

Feb 14 - 01:21 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

King Simba - nice employment of popular internet memery, good use of "troll" - a low score for difficulty, but a solid 8 for using the correct meme. Very good!

Feb 14 - 10:02 PM

Gage Kent

Gage Kent

Well, you know, that is just, like, your opinion, man. I still love the idea. 15-20 films is only 5-10 more films than we usually have. And don't tell me that you can't think of 5+ films from this year that deserved to be nominated for best picture. I can think of several: Moonrise Kingdom, Skyfall, Looper, Perks of Being a Wallflower, Dark Knight Rises. There, that was easy.

Feb 14 - 10:15 AM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

Janson - pants-wetting is indeed a well-known analogy applied to great hilarity. Do not pretend to be ignorant of the fact! As for the icing on the cake analogy, the definition of an analogy is that it is an artificial comparison to an actual event/fact - in is by its very nature contrived. An uncontrived analogy - there is simply no such thing! If there is, please show me. Next, my reason for encouraging you to speak sensibly was because you mentioned "cake-breaching", when the breaching referred to was the breaching of the line between the proverbial icing on the cake & the cake itself; a very clear use of the verb to breach, which you apparently failed to grasp. As for Toy Story 3, it is what it is. As for not having a photo on a Facebook account - that has nothing to do with anything in this context. The last few lines of your post are most distinguished by the use of the term "sweetness", which betrays something just that little bit...fruity, let's say.

Feb 14 - 10:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"Suave" is Italian for sweet, hon. And your name is pretty contrived. You're confusing the word's meaning as a verb and as an adjective. As the latter, it means "forced" as in it shows a rather weak stretch of imagination.

Feb 14 - 10:13 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

An analogy by definition is an artifical comparison to an actual event/phenomena. It is by its very nature contrived - if you know of an uncontrived analogy, then do show it. Again, the use of "hun" to talk to a complete stranger presumably of the same sex is extremely fruity & presumptuous. Consider if it were two members of the opposite sex -such affectionate terminology would be deemed inappropriate. Therefore, if you want to be a fruit - which is your absolute prerogative - do so amongst people you know, & not to strangers. For example, I would not start calling a female member on this board by such names, as it would be quite out of place.

Feb 14 - 10:28 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Yes, you certainly would never be so presumptuous with a stranger, would you? You would never imagine me getting "twisted" in my knickers, right? You wouldn't have strange imaginings about what kinds of toys fans of "Toy Story" indulge? And certainly it would be embarrassing if you were to even (gulp!) assume that I was some kind of "Toy Story" fan or something. But, shucks, it's a good thing you've learned a manner or two since you've logged on the page. You seem almost pious now in your gentle sheepish semantics. No sense of humor, obviously, but maybe that's a side effect of your Detrol medication (or whatever you need to keep your pants dry).

Feb 14 - 10:58 PM

Bill Suavé

Bill Suavé

The reference to pants-wetting was in the proverbial sense of great hilarity; this is a well-known and oft-employed figure of speech: "I laughed so much I almost wet myself/I wet myself". Frankly I'm slightly surprised that presumably intelligent people are unfamiliar with common turns of phrase such as this; & have great difficulty in interpreting them correctly. As to your toys, the toys I specified were: Buzz Lightyear, dinosaurs, & teddies. Any other kind of toy is of your own choosing - whatever insinuation you want to add, you are at liberty to do so. In any event, my point: in a public forum where strangers converse, it is not really etiquette to address people in affectionate/over-friendly terms, not even in in the most conventional contexts (heterosexual) - in the vast majority of cases, those overtures or liberties taken are felt to be, in a word, creepy. When such liberties are indulged in a more, in so many words, unconventional manner - it is arguably all the more awkward & inappropriate. The attempted condescending tone by means of which the perpetrator seeks to cover up his downright flirtiness is actually mildly disturbing. You ought to know this - you can't assume 1. everyone is gay, 2. people are interested in your veiled flirting.

Feb 15 - 12:48 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I haven't read anyone on the page who's shown any interest in anything you've had to say about either movies, proverbs, etiquette, bladder control, or teddy bears. Sure, I respond, because I don't take you seriously enough to disagree with. Not having a face on your facebook profile is one thing; not knowing the etymology of your own surname; especially one that is easily learned in a basic Spanish class, that drops you even lower on the shit-giving scale. Simba's weighed in on your "desperate outbursts", and Paxton Attridge was clearly unimpressed with your "childlike chiding". So here you are. Responding to me as if I've said anything to you that suggested any respect I may have for your existence. Of course, being a terminal idiot, you were bound to confuse this middling attention for some kind of perverse affection. You can't assume 1. anyone cares, 2. people have the patience to explain to your thick skull just how little they care.

Consider me a Sister of Mercy.

Feb 15 - 02:11 AM

Liiam Cruz

Liiam Cruz

- Janson - you are obviously gay and were obviously hitting on a stranger, and disguising it with condescension, which is doubly disgusting. If it were a man flirting up to a woman on this board, everyone would immediately call it out as wrong & inappropriate; since gays have a certain PC Teflonity - & who, after all, would deny them that small mercy - you can get away with it. However, after having been snapped, if you resort to snarling attacks & abuse, it is just all the more pathetic. Desperate gay guys hitting on complete strangers in a public forum in the desperate hope that they are either also gay/bi/ambivalent/just as desperate is a dreary & miserable existence.

Feb 15 - 12:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

It gets better, Liiam (Cross "i") Cruz.

(Sorry for the delay in my respose. Your mom's drunk.)

Feb 15 - 11:38 PM

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