A great comparison, and I was thinking the same thing esterday while reading the last "critial concensus" on RoTS. There's also alot more reviewers around now-a-days too, with internet reviews being non-existant back in the 70's & 80's.
May 19 - 04:50 PM
Wow, solid research. Interesting stuff!
May 19 - 06:27 PM
More undeniable proof many professional critics are idiots...
May 19 - 11:24 PM
[b]Amen.[/b]Quote: "More undeniable proof many professional critics are idiots..."-- Amen to that, brother.
May 20 - 01:01 AM
More undeniable proof many professional critics are idiots...
Posted 05/19/05 11:24:35 PM by Impavido
I totally agree! Did you see some of the "cream of the crop" critics who must actually HATE Star Wars? One even gave the film ZERO STARS. Can you believe that?
BTW, this film was more than I hoped for. I hoped for the best, prepared for the worst, and came home smiling!!! Revenge of the Sith really rocks!
May 20 - 11:04 AM
One can also say that the current movies are reviewed with a nostalgic "taint" also. I fully believe that if these had been Star Trek movies they'd have flopped and been trashed even worse that they have been.
May 20 - 12:29 PM
[b]you really have to take critic reviews with a grain of salt[/b]
all people have their own opinions of both trilogies. however, if a vast majority of critics think a film is either good (80%-100%) or bad (0%-20%), chances are it is either good or bad. but when a film is in the middle realm there, it's hard to gauge because everyone has their own personalized opinions and gripes that could sway their critique of the film.
and if you think about it, a lot of critics today are people who run personal websites and haven't studied films nor have been taught the art of filmmaking, so their review could be as simple and caveman-ish as "EXPLOSIONS AND NAKED CHICKS! GREAT FILM!"
it all boils down to how YOU, the single person, enjoy a film. going solely by critics' reviews isn't always the best way to go
case in point: John Carpenter's Halloween was panned by critics when it first came out. but when moviegoers started going to see it in droves and saying how great of a movie it was, the critics backpedalled, called Halloween a "horror masterpiece." so you can't always listen to the critics.
May 20 - 12:37 AM
[b]episode X: the end of the backlash[/b]Star Wars hits back!!! ha, ha I love it
keep em comin! let the good times roll!!!
May 20 - 02:30 AM
[b]The reason to use critics[/b]If it's a movie you don't want to see (w/ your wife/significant other) you can cite the 'vaunted' critics (assuming they grade badly).
That's 'bout the only reason I can think of... Isn't the point of a movie to be entertaining? Nowadays, critics are entertained, but still pan movies...
And then there's Million Dollar Baby -- now there's some fantasy for you (Da*n critics -- had to see that one with my wife due to their favorable reviews) -- useless bunch of buggers for the most part.
May 20 - 10:55 AM
Yeah! All movie critics are freaking morons! Oh...wait, I'm a movie critic.
May 20 - 01:07 PM
Hehe...Critics did gave the first "Star Wars" good reviews and probably help to get the word out too since back then, films depend more on word of mouth and marketing.
I think "Empire" was probably just ahead of its time. Was it the first time that a film ended on a cliffhanger? And like one of our staff members said, it seems like the bad guys won at the end...
I think we can agree that "Jedi" is the weakest of the three originals.
May 20 - 01:27 PM
There must have been a lot of lowered expectations out there, because Sith was not much better than the first two. Besides Darth Vader, there really wasn't much difference.
May 20 - 01:14 PM
[b]Senh,[/b]Any recollection of how many reviews there were for each film that you took into account. Just purely for interst sake.
May 20 - 01:55 PM
There weren't that many... 20-25 reviews. It's not the most comprehensive research, but it does give us a general idea of the consensus back then.
May 20 - 03:57 PM
Nice job. Also I would point out that critics weren't USED to the Star Wars movies when they came out which is why the reviews weren't great. A lot of people resented them. Because of Star Wars there were a bunch a lot more science fiction films and critics accept that and are used to seeing them.
May 20 - 02:18 PM
Nobody has yet suggested one of the more obvious conclusions -- that critical standards have been systematically lowered in the intervening years by a surfeit of shitty movies. "Revenge of the Sith" is getting pretty good reviews, but no way would it have passed muster with the crowd that (rightly) savaged "Return of the Jedi."
To make the same point more charitably, you could simply note that pop culture has shifted pretty dramatically since 1980 -- not to mention the fact that today's 30something movie critics were, like, 10 when "The Empire Strikes Back" opened. This kind of filmmaking is hard-wired into our brains, and in those moments when "Revenge of the Sith" approximates the propulsive energy and imagination of those original films, it provides a heroin-like nostalgia rush. The new films may not be objectively better (if there is any such thing as objectivity), but they stroke our pleasure centers in meaningful ways that may make us kinder to them.
May 20 - 03:04 PM
Wow, interesting. I wish I could read all of those.
May 20 - 06:53 PM
that's really interesting. though i can't say that i agree, the prequal trilogy will never be as good as the original. but i haven't seen episode three yet. so you really can't my word for it.
May 20 - 10:46 PM
This is interesting. Although I'm far from a diehard fan, I do feel that that orginals were very good movies. This just goes to prove that critics only give good reviews to the movies that they suspect will win tons of Oscars.
May 21 - 10:13 AM
"This just goes to prove that critics only give good reviews to the movies that they suspect will win tons of Oscars."
As further proof, one need only look at this list of movies that got 80% or higher positive reviews:
Shaun of the Dead
School of Rock
28 Days Later
Bubba Ho Tep
We all know how these movies dominated the Oscars in their respective years.
May 21 - 12:44 PM
Who cares. The phantom menace is a piece of garbage, with the Attack of the Clones being "OK". How the heck can anyone honestly say the second trilogy is better than the first trilogy?
May 21 - 10:17 AM
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