Comic-Con Ketchup: Batman to Appear in Man of Steel Sequel

Summary

The Weekly Ketchup is normally published on Fridays, but this is a special edition just covering the events of San Diego Comic-Con 2013, hence the Monday publication date instead. Read on for the latest news involving the latest comic book adaptations, as long as they were published by DC, Marvel, or Rob Liefeld. Back to Article

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Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Kinda like how Superman missed all those dead bodies, amIright?

Jul 22 - 07:29 PM

Rated NCC-1701

Rated NCC-1701

Superman... Neo... seems like Warner likes mass murderers.

Jul 25 - 03:34 PM

Greg Dean Schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

Not so much that Flash was included in their plans, more that Wonder Woman specifically was not.

Jul 22 - 08:53 PM

John Gagnon

John Gagnon

Avengers was a crap movie so that makes sense.

Jul 22 - 10:22 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

If you can explain how Avengers was a 'crap movie', then you should be able to explain how Transformers 2 was a good movie.

Jul 23 - 08:42 PM

Valmordas

Val Mordas

As a pure action spectacle, Avengers was awesome. It moved too fast for you to stop and think if it was stupid or not.

Jul 23 - 10:24 PM

Wyatt Person

Wyatt Person

Avengers was, in my opinion, right up there with the best blockbusters. It had a great director/writer, fantastic acting, and all the spectacle one could ask for. It didn't need to be a deep meditation on society, but it still succeeded spectacularly.

Jul 24 - 06:19 AM

BMS1234

brandon sideleau

Blah! The last thing I wanted was Zach "the new Michael Bay" Snyder back in the director's chair for the second Superman. I have zero interest in seeing another film in the universe he created in Man of Steel...too much CGI action and not enough substance. And, how on Earth do the takes get any higher than what happened in that movie? The entire movie was like the last 20 minutes of the Avengers. It just seems stupid to throw Batman, who is just an ordinary human, into the same universe- just one of those crashes through skyscrapers would kill him...and how many did Superman and Zod go through? I lost count...it got boring. The brain-dead American masses ate this movie up...but I'm with the critics on this one...for something so noisy and shiny it sure was boring.

Jul 22 - 11:36 PM

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Rated NCC-1701

Ever played Injustice or DC vs Mortal Kombat? Apparantely that's how Zach, and 99% of fanboys, think in terms of fighting. Expect life meters and powerups.

Jul 25 - 04:19 PM

Alan Smithee

Alan Smithee

I'm well versed in the comics, bud. They're two different mediums, meaning what works in the comics doesn't necessarily translate well for a movie format. David Goyer was saying they're thinking of calling it "Batman versus Superman" or "Superman versus Batman." It's got cash grab written all over it and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly in denial. Heck, it's not like MoS was any better, what with its shameless product placement and all. David wasn't even able to tell a good origin story for Supes and then they're going to convolute things more and more as time goes by? Sure, it might put a smile on the face of the child in all of us, but I highly doubt it will be a good "movie." That's the problem with all these Marvel Cinematic Universe flicks. They're soulless products with lackluster stories, driven entirely by spectacle. Both DC and Marvel have animation studios if they want to do all this multiple franchise spanning continuity mumbo jumbo.

Although it doesn't really matter what I have to say as long as people keep buying the tickets...

Jul 23 - 12:28 AM

Murdoch

Murdoch +

So DC wanting all their characters together is a blatant cash grab and rip off of Marvel? How about Fox putting every mutant ever known into Days of Future Past? Or Sony's plans for having the Super Six in future Spiderman movies?
If there's one thing i hate in this world, its fake outrage. You could say that every single action hero to come out in the 80s was a copy of those alpha-male movies that came before. Or any sexy, slutty femme fatale movie to come out in the last 2 decades was simply ripping off Basic Instinct. Or you could just shut the hell up and watch what you like and ignore what you don't.
Also, we all know you're going to be buy said tickets to whatever crap comicbook movie a studio comes out with, so if you're going to be angry at someone, be angry at yourself.

Jul 23 - 02:30 PM

Sir Phobos

Sir Phobos

This is going to be really dumb. Picture Batman getting in the middle of the Man of Steel battle scenes? They would have ripped his head off in the first 10 seconds. They can put it in the comics all they want, but to me Batman has 0% chance of even getting a shot off at Superman.

Jul 23 - 06:46 PM

Valmordas

Val Mordas

Agree with Sir Phobos, Batman wouldn't be able to fight the lowliest of Zod's cronies.

Jul 23 - 10:21 PM

Ronald Domholdt

Ronald Domholdt

I'm glad Batman wouldn't be able to fight Zod's cronies. MoS was terrible and I honestly hope they hire a new director before BvS is done.

Jul 24 - 12:01 AM

zooman

Alex Reyes

A successful Avengers movie was less likely, but it shows it is possible to have a good movie out of unlikely movie conversions. The problem is Man of Steel wasn't that great. Had a huge opening received with certain disappointment, similar to the last Superman. As for superpowers, a lot of the characters in the Avengers couldn't stand the same battles as Thor, Iron Man or Hulk. Yet the movie worked. With some creativity they could make Superman and Batman work. I didn't love the movie, but I don't love superhero movies and that was a decent one out of the bunch. I am not excited about a Superman and Batman movie, but I am ok with them trying.

Jul 24 - 08:29 AM

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Christina A. Wilson

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Jul 24 - 03:36 PM

Will S.

Will Sullivan

One word...Kryptonite.

Jul 25 - 12:02 AM

Sir Phobos

Sir Phobos

Alex, Avengers worked because they acknowledged that Black Widow and Hawkeye were out of their league. Hawkeye got it handed to him by Loki in two seconds and Black Widow was scarred to death of the Hulk and almost got killed cowering in the corner. The idea of Superman vs. Batman is them squaring off, and what a dumb idea that is. Batman would get pounded.

Jul 25 - 07:59 PM

King  S.

King Simba

How about we look at the film's legs, shall we? Man of Steel looks to end its run with 40% of its total coming from opening weekend alone. That's on the higher end of summer movie standards, and not much better than Spiderman 3 and X-men: The Last Stand. Even the supposedly universally despised Superman Returns had better legs.

Even on the Worldwide scale, the film did not hold on very well. After the film set records in its opening weekend, some thought it could go as high as 1 bil, while even Warner Bros. had it at 800 mil worldwide. Now it's looks like it's going to struggle just to get to 700 mil.

The film is a massive success, but it's legs actually reflect the same thing as its reviews: a mixed reception. Not terrible but not very good either. Why else do you think Warner Bros. is adding Batman to the sequel? Because Man of Steel wasn't as well received as they were hoping. They were obviously hoping for another Batman Begins, which despite an underwhelming opening weekend was loved by audiences and had fantastic holds, thereby leading on to bigger sequels. Unfortunately, that didn't happen, and a direct sequel to Man of Steel would more likely show a drop in gross from the first film. That's why they're hoping the addition of Batman would counter any mixed reception of the first.

Oh, and before anyone goes on about there being too much competition as an excuse - first of all, welcome to summer, and second of all, nearly every major blockbuster debuting after Man of Steel disappointed, so it actually had a perfect opportunity to take advantage of that. Heck, World War Z faced the same amount of competition and it looks to triple its opening weekend, and zombie movies are typically known for their terrible holds.

Jul 23 - 01:11 AM

King  S.

King Simba

It does feel like simply an attempt to counter Marvel's Avengers 2 and make up for the somewhat disappointing Man of Steel, but on the other hand this is a perfect way to reintroduce Batman without having to do a full on reboot so soon after The Dark Knight trilogy (audiences were hesitant about seeing the Spiderman reboot, and that debuted 5 years after the disappointing Spiderman 3). Of course I would love Joseph Gordon-Levitt to be Batman in this one (spoilers - reprising his character from The Dark Knight Rises), but Warner Bros. probably wants to avoid confusion as whether or not this is set in the Nolan world of Batman, plus I don't think there will ever be a movie where someone other than Bruce Wayne is Batman. The only downer is (aside from the director) this isn't going to do much for the non-Batman/Superman Justice League members, which is what Warner Bros. needs to focus on.

Yeah, it's a bummer that even the most popular female superhero (not to mention one of the most popular superheroes in general) still can't get her own movie, but I don't think Flash should be labeled as rotten because of that. If anything, the bigger worry is Warner Bros.' track record at trying to start franchises for DC characters outside Batman and Superman, though hopefully Flash will be a step in the right direction.

Anyway, love the swerve they did with Avengers 2, and I can't wait for Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy. I got to give credit to Marvel, they really know what they're doing, and so far they haven't had a single miss in their cinematic universe. Also can't wait for X-men: Days of Future Past (if anyone can handle such a large cast it's Bryan Singer), as well as How to Train Your Dragon 2.

Jul 23 - 01:38 AM

Wyatt Person

Wyatt Person

I agree with you on HTTYD 2, and X-Men: DoFP. I think they could both be excellent sequels. Also, Joss Whedon clearly has a game plan with Avengers 2, and 3. I wouldn't be surprised if he signs on for Avengers 3, to finish the Thanos story being told through Guardians, Avengers 2, and 3, and then hang it up for someone else (Maybe Guillermo Del Toro, after Pacific Rim?).

About Flash, I find that it is worthy of being called Rotten, because it's clear that Warner Brothers are gonna fast-track the property for JLA, hindering any natural development. The fact that they are skipping Wonder Woman shows how much they really care. JGL as Bats would be a bad idea. I think they need to go with the route of a slightly burlier, rougher Bruce, akin to Paul Dini's writing (Perhaps Michael Fassbender, who I've been suggesting for years?). Also, Spider-Man 3 isn't all bad, just flawed, kinda.

Jul 23 - 03:01 PM

King  S.

King Simba

I actually agree with you about Spiderman 3. However, there's no denying that a lot of people were disappointed with it, and yet despite that a lot of people still didn't like the idea of rebooting Spiderman, so imagine how they'll feel about a Batman reboot after Nolan's trilogy.

Jul 24 - 02:35 AM

Wyatt Person

Wyatt Person

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. What I just don't get is why Warner Brothers haven't got Paul Dini on board. If they want a Joss Whedon figure to guide their cinematic universe, he's the best choice.

Jul 24 - 06:23 AM

Branden M.

Branden Mata

Benedict Cumberbatch would be the perfect Doctor Strange.

Jul 23 - 02:29 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

He'd be a better Dr. Fate.

Jul 23 - 10:07 AM

J A.

J A

I really wish this comic-book craze stops, at least the old-school ones. Some of those characters have exhausted their potential decades ago yet studios are still trying to put them on screen. Those characters are not interesting because they are not consistent. They get changed over time as writer sees fit and become twisted and mangled. They are often primitive and basic, void of any real, natural, organic development. Not to mention that some of the "super" powers used are outright silly in the context of modern days. Stop it. Let younger generation shine for once, let them create new superheroes, new characters, that can reflect our world, our struggles and our reality. Enough with Xmen and Justice League and Avengers and all that ancient stuff. Let it rest just like it deserves.

Jul 23 - 03:08 AM

Esteban Martinez

Esteban Martinez

You probably don't know how comic books work. New characters mostly fail.

Jul 23 - 09:07 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

So when's your new line of comics with all new heroes coming out?

Jul 23 - 10:08 AM

Stu S.

Stu Salkeld

Probably have to take exception to that too JA. The reason characters created by Stan Lee, Chris Claremont, Frank Miller, Jack Kirby etc. lasted is because they were deep, interesting characters with flaws. I read comics in the 80's too, and I remember Marvel's "New Universe," and the way they introduced it was almost exactly word for word the post above. Major, major flop, same with really bad early 90's characters like Thunderstrike etc. that were created by, let's face it, derivative writers who saw themselves as at the leading edge of creativity despite the fact most of their offerings were really shallow Ghost Rider/Wolverine/Punisher clones.

Jul 23 - 01:57 PM

Corr

Alexander Sciury

You're an idiot, Avengers doesn't have only 500'000 likes on Facebook, it has 6.7 million. (https://www.facebook.com/avengers)
About 5 times more than Man of Steel.

Jul 23 - 04:27 AM

Wyatt Person

Wyatt Person

*Slow Clap*

Jul 24 - 07:35 AM

Carolyn Waddell

Carolyn Waddell

MOS touched on the back story briefly. For all you comic book purists, you may find it sadly lacking. Not gonna lie, my fave thing about this movie was Henry Cavill. The special effects were OK. 3D not necessary!!

Jul 23 - 05:42 AM

Stewart Hoffman

Stewart Hoffman

If they are planning to adapt The Dark Knight Returns into a Superman sequel - that's not good IMO.

Saw How to train your dragon 2 clips at Comic con.. Looks great. Looking forward to the sequel.

Jul 23 - 06:44 AM

John Tyler

John Tyler McClane

TOP STORY: Fucking epic
FRESH 1: Awesome
FRESH 2: Cool
FRESH 3: Sounds epic
FRESH 4: Good...good...
FRESH 5: Nice
FRESH 6: Awesometacular
ROTTEN 3: Okay, a Flash movie is cool, but come on Warner Bros, get development on WW started already
ROTTEN 2: Um...okay...?
ROTTEN 1: Damn!

Jul 23 - 08:19 AM

President Pedro

President Pedro

WB is just horrible when it comes to DC. They're basically admitting they have no idea what they're doing and just don't care. A Justice League is bond to fail, or not even happen if these ass clowns have control. Can someone please buy DC from WB, anyone at this point could handle it better than they have; hell I'd trust Michael Bay at this point than the suits at WB.

Jul 23 - 08:53 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Bay?! The guy already ruined TMNT by making them alien & not mutants. If he took over DC I can picture his vision of the heros being fetuses at first & then being aborted, landing in toxic waste as the answer for their powers. If that's what you're looking for then start sending Bay some fan letters with the suggestion.

Jul 24 - 08:05 PM

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