ROTTEN TOMATOES: Superman: Man of Steel To Have Two Villains? Comments

Superman: Man of Steel To Have Two Villains?

by Jeff Giles | August 06, 2007

Summary

On the grand continuum of movie rumors, this item falls somewhere between a conversation half-overheard at a restaurant and something a dude you know heard from this one guy, but it concerns the breathlessly debated Superman Returns sequel, so we can't very well not report it, can we? Back to Article

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dylan21484nj writes:
on Aug 06 2007 10:25 PM

Andrex is right. a huge the hype is about The Joker, sure. i think most of the Joker hype is being trumped up by the fanboys who are eager to see how The Joker will be portrayed. we alreay know how Batman and Alfred and Jim Gordon are being portrayed, we learned that in Batman Begins. it doesn't mean The Joker will be the focus of TDK, it's just the anticipation of seeing The Joker again. and let's not forget the fanboy frenzy there was about Harvey Dent's portrayal and his inevitable transformation into Two-Face.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Aug 06 2007 11:18 PM

Go to youtube and type in marvel vs. dc villians. It is awesome and proves a major point. Marvel movies are awesome because they come up with their plan off screen, they create their weapons off screen and they do not waste time explaining their plan on screen. Lex is a such a weak villian and thus another reason why Superman Returns was one of the worst movies ever.

They need to pull a Dallas, but as most of you guys are only 12 you would not understand what i just said.

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Canuck666 writes:
on Aug 07 2007 12:23 AM

Hopefully Lex will just have a minor role or even better just have a cameo. They should have villians that people aren't expecting like Toyman and Livewire. They would be a tough team to beat.

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CoUcH ToMaToE DoUgIe writes:
on Aug 07 2007 01:36 AM

In reply to this comment (#1017524)
oh, shut up loser. superman returns will always be more loved and respected than your sorry *** ever will be. god, thanks for the opinion mr. marvel. so, um how bad is superman returns? is it worse than ghost rider, x-men 3, daredevil, hulk, fantastic four, fantastic four 2,electra, punisher? hmmm.... i didn't think so smartass. so, i'm sorry we not like the all knowing marvel that makes masterpieces every time out. so, i guess that makes only two x-men films and three spidermans that are good compared to um let me see EIGHT!!!! HMMM 5-8? Wow, yeah i wish i had that sub .500 record. oh, poor dc we can't compete with the freakin new york knicks of comic book movies!~!!!!!

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aknddon3 writes:
on Aug 07 2007 02:21 AM

In reply to this comment (#1017645)
HAHAHAHAHAHA, superman returns is one of the most hated superhero movies of all time.

Superman Returns is the second worst comic book movie of all time.

Hmm lets see DC has two good movies, Batman Begins and Superman so that means they are batting 2-12, wow that sucks. So if you are going to attack Marvel at least use some common sense.

DC is the new york knicks of comic book movies while Marvel is the Spurs, you know the best ****ing team. LOSER.

So DC fluffer how does it feel to be wrong again?

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Product_of_You writes:
on Aug 07 2007 03:14 AM

I don't see how you can say Superman Returns is the second worst comic book film. I can think of at least 10 off of the top of my head that I find inferior. Superman Returns is hated by internet nerds, true, but I don't believe the general population hates it. In fact it got some of the best reviews of any comic film. But anyway I like the film, it isn't perfect, but Superman having a child or him laying in an ICU certainly don't bother me and it is hard to see why some people get so worked up about it. The only thing I was disappointed about with Superman Returns is when the film first started and it was the same music and graphics of the original and just then did I realize it was a sequel (I had been thinking it was going to be a reboot).

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BUCK69 writes:
on Aug 07 2007 06:51 AM

In reply to this comment (#1017661)
Ahh...The idiot once again speaks! I [and I'm sure I speak for many, many others] had hoped that you'd crawled under a rock and disappeared for ever. Do you just wait for news items related to Superman Returns so you can spout your irrelevant opinions about a movie that a lot of people liked a lot? Take your insane love/hate obsession with Superman, Brandon Roth and Bryan Singer to a trained professional. You need help.

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zgberg writes:
on Aug 07 2007 07:25 AM

In reply to this comment (#1015793)
Said with finality by someone calling themselves darth wonka

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therereturn writes:
on Aug 07 2007 10:57 AM

In reply to this comment (#1017661)
Aknddon3, you really make people on this messaeg board angry. I have to apologize, though, because I mistook you for an angry 11 year old who couldn't write or express their opinion in a logical, LITERATE way. You proved me worng with your "dallas" comment, or you just REALLY love crappy shows.

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dylan21484nj writes:
on Aug 07 2007 11:14 AM

what about V for Vendetta, aknddon? it was a DC/Vertigo film, and that was a great, thought-provoking movie despite how they "updated" the story to make it more modern. and the '89 Batman is still a great movie on its own. Superman II should be up there too because it deconstructed the Superman character, challenged Superman like he hadn't been before, and the street fight - while showing its age these days - was awesome. and we still have TDK and Watchmen on the horizon and they both have the potential of being amazing movies, pending Nolan and Snyder don't screw up royally.

and i don't really see this so much as a Marvel vs. DC issue here. Superman The Movie opened the door for the '89 movie, and despite both franchises' apparent demise, i don't think there would have been a Blade movie if Superman and Batman movies had ever been made. Blade set the table for X-Men, X-Men set the table for Spider-Man, and the doors just blew off after that and now there are comic movies coming out all the time and they've become the big moneymakers. and to further my point, the Spider-Man movies pretty much followed the Superman movies beat for beat. the first film is the origin, the second film strips the hero of his powers and makes him choose between a normal life and a hero's life, and the third film turned the heroes evil. the influence of the Superman movies on the Spidey movies is more than obvious.

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gamejediben writes:
on Aug 07 2007 11:17 AM

I don't understand this aknddon3 guy. Is he really saying that Marvel makes better movies than DC? That is the biggest load of horse**** I have ever read! I guarantee you that come next summer, 3x as many people are going to want to see "The Dark Knight" than "Iron Man." I think Iron Man is a great character but he doesn't have a prayer of beating The Dark Knight at the box office. I would take Superman Returns over just about ANY Marvel movie ever made.

Marvel just keeps cranking these average (and sometimes sucky) movies out left, right and center. I don't even think Marvel knows how to make a great movie - which is why I don't have high hopes for Iron Man. Every time I see the Marvel Studios Logo, my mind automatically thinks "Crappy Movie." I like DC's movies because they are always something different - not always awesome - but they aren't what you would expect. Take V for Vendetta, Batman Begins or Superman Returns for example. VforV was one of the most original movies I have ever seen. Batman Begins was about revenge vs justice and the nature of fear. Superman Returns was such a personal story of loss and finding your place in the world. These movies werent just "hero vs villain" stories like so many Marvel movies. Thats why when I see the DC logo I know I am getting something special - maybe not specifically my taste - but its something I have never had before.

So to sum up my point: Marvel = McDonalds Hamburger, DC = Surprise special at a fine Italian restaurant.

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Uradik Smoke writes:
on Aug 07 2007 12:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#1019304)
There area few things you need to keep in mind in this gret Marel vs DC debate in my opinion ...

First- Marvel made a huge mistake in the beginning of the comic book movie craze and sold there characters rights to everyone and anyone . That is why you get such contrast in the quality of the movies . As soon as they sell to a movie studio they loose prolly 75% of the say in that franchise . After Spiderman made half a million bucks everyone and anyone wanted a piece of the comic book genre so marvel sold aay its part to the highest bidder . Thats why Hulk was trash and Dardevil was sub par , why Fantastic 4 got a director who cant do action and why movies Elektra got rushed and hacked up , and why Ghost Rider had to endure a horrible script and Nic Cage. The only ones that really were made well were Spiderman and X-men both which faltered by movie 3 ...

Second - DC is only known for those 2 main superhero franchises . Ok you can argue about The Flash and Green Lantern and Wonder Woman but let face facts Superman and Batman are DC comics . If you recall the last couple old Supermans and Batmans were a joke and forced DC to reboot both franchises and assume more control of them but in association with one studio WB , making getting the right actos and diectors and writers alot easier for those movies. So you have Marvel with lets say 12 viable big screen characters to develop and you have DC with 2 ,so you can see how this differs for each group and why soim marvel movies were lost to studio influence ...

I wont argue Batman Begins was better than any Marvel movie , but marvel has made at least 6 solid movies where DC has made one amazing movie and one disappointing movie thus far . I think now that marvel has taken control of its own charcters and are now financing there own movies you will see a change in the quality , Iron Man is the first Marvel Studio made movie i think it will be something special and i hope The Incredible Hulk follows suit and next up Captain America and a Silver Surfer project . Before we hand the comic book crown to DC lets wait and see what Marvel can do when they make there movie the way tey want to ...

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LJPlayer69 writes:
on Aug 07 2007 01:28 PM

In reply to this comment (#1015525)
Exactly, Bizarro or Brainiac? Would be great...Lex should take a long, long, long vacation, after all, he only doesn't really have a heavy role in the awful SIII (and for the record, SIV was good, better than SIII).

And if you didn't like the movie, that means that you don't appreciate a good retcon story...or people growing up...or having kids...

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daveyhatton writes:
on Aug 07 2007 04:09 PM

SuperMan Returns rocked and am very much looking towards the sequel. Sorry to those that thought it sucked...

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dylan21484nj writes:
on Aug 07 2007 04:27 PM

i dunno about Marvel being compared to McDonald's, gamejediben. the X-Men story is really a metaphor for civil rights and discrimination. and as we all know, the Spider-Man story is about "with great power comes great responsibility" and how an everyman like Peter Parker deals with that responsibility, a story similar to Superman's story (although he isn't so much an everyman and merely pretends to be as Clark Kent).

right now, the best Marvel and DC films are (in no particular order, so don't think i'm listing them from best to worst):

Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
X-Men
X-Men 2
Blade

Superman: The Movie
Superman II (the Lester version if you enjoyed the silly touch, the Donner cut if you wanted a more serious movie, but they both conveyed Superman's internal conflict)
Batman '89
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta

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Rockslide writes:
on Aug 07 2007 05:44 PM

I don't think Superman Returns was that bad, but I don't think it was that great either. I think the problem was in feeding people the same story that we've already had in 50 other incarnations. I think people will receive the sequel much better than SR because the moviemakers have heard all this criticism and will be reaching a bit further for something new to offer. The whole Lex and kryptonite plot line has to be pushed aside. There shouldn't be a single ounce of kryptonite in this sequel and I think that's what they are going for.

I agree that Smallville should have just been transitioned to the bigscreen with a bigger adventure. All the back-story and characters are already developed, you could just jump straight into a brainiac or bizarro or whatever plot line. My final note is adding my vote to the "Super-Illegitimate Kid" being the worst part about SR. This is supposed to be the epitome of a moral boy-scout hero and this? C'mon- one night stand Superman?

And hero movies aren't a battle of DC vs. Marvel. Every character from wherever they originate should be judged individually. I'm sure they could even make The Power Pack or Booster Gold look good with the right team.

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gamejediben writes:
on Aug 07 2007 06:02 PM

In reply to this comment (#1019868)
dylan,

I have to disagree with your list of great marvel movies. In my opinion the only great marvel movies were Xmen 2 and Spiderman 2. Spiderman 1 was SOOOOO cheesy and corny that I am amazed that it made $400 million at the box office. Kirsten Dunst can't act to save her life. Her scenes in Spidey 1 were so cringe worthy that had to cover my face and pretend it didn't happen just to sit through the rest of the movie. Even katie holmes in Batman Begins wasn't THAT bad! Xmen 1 was decent but not great which is how some people view SR. And Blade was only good if you don't expect much out of it - but even then it still wasn't a classic.

I liked Xmen's metaphor but I had seen it before in many much better films. It also came off as a heavy handed gay rights promotion. And Spidey's message is drilled so hard into our skulls in every single Spiderman movie that I stopped caring! "with great power comes great responsibility" is said SO many times that by the 3rd film I was about to vomit if I heard it again. They still feel like trash food. But I still give them an "A" for effort. The latest DC movies (although they were spawned from comic books) didn't come off as comic booky or cheesy in any way (I'm looking at you, Peter "yell at my hands to make them shoot webs" Parker). Marvel needs to take their properties more seriously. That means no more high pitched 10 year old soundalikes with no sense of humor for Spiderman.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 07 2007 06:44 PM

In reply to this comment (#1017524)
I love how aknddon acts like he's smarter than everybody else, but he doesn't seem to understand the meaning of an opinion. Oh, and you weren't 12 once? What, did you automatically go from 11-13?

Aknddon, do what hollywood is doing with the Hulk; starting from scratch. A few words of advice...

1. Go to the dictionary and look up 'opinion'.

2. Make up a new user and with your newfound word in your vocabulary never go back to being aknddon3.

3. Stop complaining about Superman Returns. Your rant is repetetive and annoying. You hated Superman Returns; we get that. You don't need to say it every time a piece of news about its sequel comes up.

Now before you go and call me a 'stupid little 14 year old virgin loser nerd' actually take my advice into consideration.

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CoUcH ToMaToE DoUgIe writes:
on Aug 07 2007 07:34 PM

In reply to this comment (#1020474)
thank you very much, batspideykong,gamejediben, BUCK69,therereturn!

once again you show how many COOL, INTELLIGENT, RESPECTFUL AND JUST completely Good,

Folks occupy this wonderful site! Do you see this adkkon3, you are overmatched in every

capacity including just plain ol decency! we will always be here to shut you up and

make sure your hatred does not poision this site!! you will never stop the righteous

people on this site because we will nevel let you win. Oh, adkkon3, one last thing

SUPERMAN RETURNS GOT 77% PERCENT FRESH TOMATO RATING!!!! HOW IS IT THE 2ND WORST COMIC

BOOK MOVIE EVER?!?!? I MEAN HOW STUPID ARE YOU? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT 2 2 IS? SO, ONCE

AGAIN, ARE YOU, MARVEL'S JOE QUESEDA AND ARVI ARAD PERSONAL *******,SAYING TO THE WORLD

SUPERMAN RETURNS WASN'T BETTER THAN electra and fantastic four 1 and 2, daredevil,

X-MEN 3, HULK, HOWARD THE DUCK, AND GHOST RIDER? HELL, NO ONE CAN BE TRHAT MUCH OF A

RETARD! OH, AND YOUR BELOVED SPIDEY 3 GOT LESS OF A FRESH TOMATO REVIEW ON THIS VERY

SITE THAN THIS "2ND WORST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER"! SO, ONCE AGAIN ALL THESE FACT COMBINED

WITH YOUR OPINIONS MAKE YOU THE DUMBNEST NASTIEST LOSER EVER. Oh, hello mr spacey, do

you have anything to say to this loser's opinion, "WWWWWWRRRRROOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG!!!!!!!

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dylan21484nj writes:
on Aug 07 2007 07:38 PM

In reply to this comment (#1020347)
i put the first Spidey and X-Men movies on the list because of how well they set up the story. there's no way that Spidey 2 and X2 would have been as great as they were if they didn't have great set-ups. and Blade is on the list because if it wasn't good and therefore successful, the X-Men and Spidey franchises wouldn't have gotten off the ground. no one wanted to touch comic book movies after Batman & Robin stained the genre. but Blade came out and people realized that comic book movies could be dark, serious, and action-packed again. those films aren't without their flaws, just like every other movie on my list. but compared to the mediocrity and downright horrible films like the aformentioned Batman & Robin as well as Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, they're the best of them all.

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