ROTTEN TOMATOES: Superman: Man of Steel To Have Two Villains? Comments

Superman: Man of Steel To Have Two Villains?

by Jeff Giles | August 06, 2007

Summary

On the grand continuum of movie rumors, this item falls somewhere between a conversation half-overheard at a restaurant and something a dude you know heard from this one guy, but it concerns the breathlessly debated Superman Returns sequel, so we can't very well not report it, can we? Back to Article

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:29 PM

In reply to this comment (#1024638)
It's funny how trolls on RT complain about how a movie isn't original and doesn't try something new, then complain how comic book movies don't 'stay true to there charcters, plots and themes'.

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gamejediben writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:35 PM

Superman has been around a long time and there are several different versions of the story. Its true that Superman has never had a biological son before. But then again there never was a crystal chamber that takes away superman's powers either. Bryan Singer was just building off of the last good Superman movie (Superman II) for Superman Returns. I'm just saying that in the comics as well as the last episode of "Lois and Clark" Superman has had a child. There is nothing new about that fact. And there is nothing conflicting with Superman's chracter either. Its what he has always wanted. And it made sense in the story of SR because he feels alone and like an outcast. Jason provides that all important bridge to humanity that he has always wanted. Superman didn't know that Lois was preggers before he left and she didn't even know it was Superman's child until SR. So there is no conflict with Superman's character. Now that he knows he is the father, Superman will do the responsible thing and take care of the child. Thats just Superman.

About Superman in the ICU, whats wrong with that? He was just exposed to more kryptonite than ever before! Of course he is going to be in critical condition! And Lex's plan was in the vein of classic Luthor plans! He steals something dangerous and he uses it to hijack the world and its up the Superman to stop him... Thats pretty much the classic Luthor plot since the golden age comics. What other "rediculous" plot holes were there?

I thought Returns was just using the classic superman formula added with a touch of the loose ends of Superman II. It seems to me like the obvious next chapter in the saga. There is nothing "unsupermanly" about this movie. It was the reintroduction that Superman needed for this generation and the launching pad for future superman stories. And if you can't see that, then you are stuck in the past.

Believe it or not, I used to be a marvel fanboy but they pissed me off too many times. Thats why I now choose quality over quantity.

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Uradik Smoke writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:42 PM

If your defence of Superman Returns being a box office and DVD success is that it made 41 Million more than it cost in total to make and market then that is truly sad ... Are you guys perhaps in denial , so distrot that the movie was so bad and made so little money and proved that peole hated this vision of Superman that you cant quite admit that this was indeed a overall poorly made movie , sure it looked great and had some cool effects but you have to overall admit that as a whole it was not a very well done movie and was an embarasment to Superman ...

Do some research and see how much money other superhero movies have made , how many movies that had budgets over 200 Million made such little return , i think if you actually stopped and looked at the facts as you all say I should you would see the truth about the success or lack of success of Superman Returns

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:51 PM

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You forget the 53 million it made on DVD. That's 94 million.

AND WE CAN LIKE MOVIES YOU DON'T! DEAL WITH IT YOU MOTHER ****IN' DOUCHEBAG!

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Uradik Smoke writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:55 PM

I will agree to disagree about how we feel about Superman Returns , as you obviosly saw something in it that i did not see . I was so amazingly disappointed by the movie that i guess i just cannot like this movie and the plot it tried to portray .

Superman did need a reboot and needed to be introduced to this generation , but building off a movie from 1980 and a television show in the 90's was not the way to do it at all . This was made as if it was some sort of a sequel , though it was said not to be one. It tried to pick up where other incarnations of Superman left off . I think Warner Bros , DC and everyone had a golden chance to re-introdue Superman to the world the right way , theway the had re-introduced Batman the year earlier , where you could have tol some backstory about Krypton , had some back story of his childhood and then brought him to Metropolis to become Clark Kent and Superman and start the story over fresh and new the way it should have been done ...

We all have our points of view and this is mine...

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:55 PM

Alright, that was a somewhat random attack, but I'm tired of people acting like there opinions are the only opinions out there.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:57 PM

URADIK - All I can say is, yes you are. Anyone who would encourage an idiot like aknddon3 must be a "dik." And by the way, WBs waited until SR grossed $200 mil before green-lighting the sequel, not $300 mil. So there goes your remaining credibility.

aknddon3 - I understand facts, moron. Why don't you use some in your analysis. Where do you get your information regarding DVD sales, rentals and returns?

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 09 2007 01:59 PM

In reply to this comment (#1024832)
Thank you. I apologize for the attack. Unlike aknddon, you can realize that people can disagree. I can also see your point of view on the movie now that you explained it a little more.

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gamejediben writes:
on Aug 09 2007 02:04 PM

Uradik Smoke,

I understand where you are coming from. But put yourself in the shoes of Bryan Singer for a moment and ask yourself what is the most well known version of superman out there? The answer is of course Superman the movie. Now do you want to do a reboot? NO! Heres why:

1. Richard Donner and Christopher Reeve did it best. It would be a slap in the face to make a reboot because you would basically be saying that Superman the movie just wasn't good enough. This isn't like Batman Begins because Batman had never had a good origin tale before.

2. Smallville is already doing it. And it would have hurt Smallville considerably to make a reboot and conflict with that show.

So instead they chose to keep going with the story of Richard Donner. Maybe in a few years down the line they will make a reboot. But for now the logical and most practical way is Superman Returns.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 09 2007 02:05 PM

Random question; how old is Smallville's Superman? If he's older than he looks I would've loved to seem him as Superman.

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Uradik Smoke writes:
on Aug 09 2007 02:06 PM

Just pointing out facts my friend about how "successful" the movie was ...

You can have your DvD Sales of 53 million and it still cannot even compete with the other movies in this genre or in this production cost range and how much money they grossed. If you really want all the numbers i have them . Lets just say every Spidey movie , all the X-men movies , Batman Begins and even Fantasic 4 made more total gross than Superman did ...

And i am not even taking into accont the DvD sales of all other movies , just the box office gross... Get your facts straight...

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gamejediben writes:
on Aug 09 2007 02:11 PM

Tom Welling (Smallville's Superman) is 30 so he is a little older than Brandon Routh. I think he looks alot like superman but his voice is terrible. Its very effeminite. I much prefer Brandon's voice. Also Tom isn't a very good actor. He is a model by training, and was only chosen for his looks. Thats why some of his smallville lines are so cringe worthy. IMHO he is only a passable Superman.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 09 2007 02:22 PM

In reply to this comment (#1024887)
I didn't say you did. I'm talking about how much the movie itself made overall.

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Uradik Smoke writes:
on Aug 09 2007 02:28 PM

Ok i am done arguing about Superman Returns we all have our different feelings about it and what it did right snd what it did wrong .

Gameediben - I agree with some of your points , but i do think they could have rebooted it from the beginning but still stayed away from what Donner and Reeve did to make The Superman Movie so good . As far as Smallville goes I dont think they needed to take its plot lines or what was going on there into account at all . Unless Smallville is going to end the series by having Clark put on the tights and cape and become Superman i dont think it has any real impact and should not have mattered ...

If they were gonna reboot and start over that was there shot , they cant do it now with this whole Superman Returs chapter being made . I just really hoped for a Batman Begins-esque treatment for this movie aswell . Hypathetically speaking if Nolan got Superman and Singer got Batman whould we be having this same debate , or would we be on the Dark Knight forum saying this same stuff .

Anyway to answer the actual question of this forum i do want to see a better Superman movie next time around and i wanna see Metallo as a creation of Lex and maybe the beginning of Brainiac plot line for a third movie , or even for a Justice League movie spin off where all of the JLA could get involved with the Brainiac plot line . I do eventally wanna see Doomsday and Superman Fight in the final Chapter of the New Superman movies ...

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tiganofamily writes:
on Aug 09 2007 05:03 PM

doomsday, metallo or jenna jameson, then they instead of fighting they could all watch jenna and doomsday 69, while superman takes it in the rear from bryan singer and wee man

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aknddon3 writes:
on Aug 10 2007 03:55 AM

So since when has superman been a skinny *****? When did he have an illegitimate son?

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 10 2007 06:06 AM

In reply to this comment (#1026372)
Aknddon, it's over. The argument is done. Nobody wins, nobody loses. Just save your rant for the next piece of S: MOS news.

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gamejediben writes:
on Aug 10 2007 09:51 AM

I think the world is a much nicer place when aknddon3 is not talking... Reading his posts is costing me some serious brain cells, so for the sake of my intelligence, I am going to stop arguing with him.

One last thing... SUPERMAN RETURNS RULED!!!!

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Bigbrother writes:
on Aug 10 2007 11:06 AM

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So let me get this straight, because a movie isn't one of the the most successful comic book movies of all time, like The Spider-mans, Batman Begins and The X-men movies it's somehow a failure. As for FF, How much less did FF cost to make? For costing the money it took to make SR, it couldn't have done much better. Especially considering it was the first film of the franchise. We'll really see how much people liked or disliked SR's when the sequal comes out. If Man of Steel makes more than SR's with a strong opening it's a good bet people enjoyed SR's. Less with a poor opening weekend they probably thought it sucked. For my money if you could go into any studio in the world and tell them your movie is going to make them 94 mil you'd be busy making a lot of movies.

And Aknddon3, Since when is 6ft 200lbs skinny. I suggest you go out an pick a fight with someone roughly that size and after your jaw heals come back and tell us how scrawny the guy who broke your jaw was. Lastly, IT'S A NEW TAKE ON THE CHARACTER YOU ****WIT!!!! IF YOU WANT THE SAME OLD THING WATCH RE-RUNS AND DVD's!!!!

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Aug 10 2007 11:17 AM

In reply to this comment (#1027250)
Preach it, brother.

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