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Oct 22 - 02:39 PM
Wow. I'm black and that was even racist for Justin Ratleff to say. People like the gritty side and the positive side, but more of the gritty side because it shows emotional strength, like Boyz in the Hood. If it is a "white" film and it had the same exact plotline as Temptation, it would still get negative reviews. Even though I can understand why some people feel offended because Tyler Perry does the same stuff and he gets panned while Martin Scorsese directs gangster, mob movies all the time and gets acclaimed and gets Oscar nominations, but it has nothing to do with race. I love Tyler Perry and Martin Scorsese. The only reason I like Scorsese a little more is because his films have that certain kind of style that's special. Perry has certain messages that are powerful and enjoyable, which is what I love.
Jul 13 - 05:49 PM
Im black and this movie SUCKS! Tyler Perry seems like a nice guy but im not interested in this movie or any of his movies. There were so many things that i could go on and on about. poor acting, terrible story line, and just down right borderline sexist to me.
Jul 11 - 08:36 AM
It's a movie. Chill Thee Fuck out.
Jul 8 - 12:45 PM
Ash J. Gilmore
You do realize your posting a comment like that on a website devoted to movies right? Also, *the
Jul 9 - 03:54 PM
Jun 29 - 07:47 AM
I've noticed the white audience - white America - will only support the gangsta, thugish, stereotype plagued type of black films. If its a black film, that promotes the positive sides of the black community, then the movie is deemed either racist or garbage by white people. Remember, black people, you're only here for white people's entertainment, NOT for the uplifting of your race. When around whites, you MUST be ashamed to be black in order to be accepted. Let that sink through for a sec.
Apr 25 - 07:25 PM
Wow. What an ignorant statement. This is not true by any means whatsoever. The only reason why the more, ahem, "thuggish" type of "african american cinema" is more critically acclaimed is because it's usually more emotionally resonant and powerful same goes for "white cinema". It's all about what conveys the most emotion and the more "thuggish" films (sometimes) do just that.
Apr 26 - 09:01 PM
You're an ignoramus. People like you are the reason why there's still some animosity between white and black people. Read Frankie's post carefully and "let THAT sink through for a sec."
Apr 27 - 05:47 AM
Since Frankie and Chase have already told you off in a civil way, I'm just gonna say what they're saying in a slightly different way. Fuck you, Justin. You're a dumbass, racist motherfucker.
Apr 27 - 09:39 PM
I like how all the negative comments come from white people..hmm wonder what that means.
May 3 - 12:17 AM
It means that you're a racist bitch. By the way there have been several black people with negative things to say about this movie so please do shut the fuck up and check your facts before you go spewing ignorant bullshit. People like you really piss me off.
May 10 - 10:50 PM
May 21 - 09:38 PM
You think all African-Americans feel the same way you do? I don't count how many African-American friends I've had because I really don't even notice the color of their skin. And they would laugh at your foolish and ignorant comment. You're a fucking disgrace. I loathe people like you. I really do.
Jun 4 - 08:32 AM
This lady needs a fucking reality check. GAAHH! This shit just infuriates me.
Jun 14 - 01:12 AM
Justin Ratleff that is the most outrageous and racist comment I have heard to date. I love Tyler Perry and the message he tries to get across to people. I have a lot of respect for him and you know what maybe the movie is meant to simple and to the point because this is the crap that is going on and people should really think about what they are doing before they hurt their marriage and the other people involved in their life. It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, it really doesn't, what matters is the depth of your character and you obviously do not have much bc you blame the "whites" for your problems. I am not white, I am not black and I don't blame any particular color of people for my failings, they are my own as are my successes.
Jul 10 - 03:46 PM
I am not african american and I enjoy most of his movies while recognizing they are cheesy with substantial flaws in several areas. So what. I am entertained. Think the old Sam Raimi films. It is what it is, don't go in expecting Academy Awards and don't be embarrassed if you like it. It's why pulp fiction and dime store westerns were invented. Etc
Apr 21 - 04:41 AM
Kevin Payne Jr.
Besides Friday what other BLACK comedies are out there that are well received by critics ?
Apr 11 - 05:05 PM
The first Barbershop, and the comedy/doc., Good Hair.
Apr 12 - 02:35 PM
Ah stupid me I forgot about Barbershop. But still there are really few ones out there.
Apr 12 - 09:40 PM
"House Party" has aged well. "Coming to America" is one of the greatest comedies period.
Apr 13 - 12:30 PM
Bad Ash J. Gilmore
I'm not a fan of Coming to America and I have yet to see House Party.
Apr 14 - 02:07 PM
I thought Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence was pretty funny, up until the last 30 mins or so
Apr 18 - 12:56 PM
I think you mean Tyler Perry just stop. His movies are terrible. He can't write, he can't direct and he sure as s*** can't act. I'm a middle aged white dude and even I'm saying, especially with Spike Lee having disappeared up his own a**, THE BLACK COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER, MUCH BETTER!
Apr 7 - 08:37 AM
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Apr 19 - 12:15 PM
The people who do go to see his movies are going mainly because they are christians not because they are black.
Apr 7 - 05:41 AM
It's a law Black people must like his films or they lose their skin colour and become white.
Apr 6 - 02:00 AM
Apr 6 - 02:03 AM
Diego John Tutweiller
Oh sweet Jesus... Migs, you should have known better than to start a thread like this...
Apr 5 - 04:14 PM
If this was a troll thread, he was very successful.
Apr 5 - 04:40 PM
I mean wtf do you expect. If you're not religious and have Christian beliefs and like Black Comedy how could you like his films. Crucial fact, the best black movies that are well received either contain:
A. black on black violence (Boyz N' The Hood, Menace II Society, Clockers)
B. A movie about black people overcoming oppression from slavery, segregation, poverty etc... (The Help, The Color Purple, Spike Lee Movies)
C. A movie with a struggling black person being saved by the white person (The Blind Side)
Apr 4 - 09:16 PM
Great points, but unfortunately these are comfort zones for a lot of young black film makers. They're often indoctrinated in thinking they HAVE TO make films dealing strictly with black issues. If they don't, blacks call them a sell out. If they don't white execs can't use them to say "See, we're supporting black film makers." So we get this swill. It's not just sad, it's f**king tragic. There are so many talented young blacks with imaginations that are beyond "issues" but they're often pigeon holed into making "street" or "hip-hop" films. All ethnicity like all different kinds of music, films, and media. Sadly, if a young black dude listens to Minor Threat and eschews rap, or is really into Spike Jonze or David Lynch people, especially those in the black community look down on them as a sellout, or even worse, a traitor.
Apr 7 - 08:48 AM
You are clearly delusional if you think that's the reason why people watch his movies. Do some research, Tyler Perry has a had a huge following since he started doing plays. His fans grew and grew until he was able to obtained his own studio. I don't even like his movies, but the outcry over this man's work is beyond ridiculous.
Apr 4 - 09:03 PM
I'm not presuming anything for the reason by which Tyler Perry movies (nor his theater) is so successful. In the area of social science (i.e. entertainment industry, NEWS corporations, economics) research is often defined as strictly qualitative. However, the past few decades have shown great progression with cumulative research design by means of melding qualitative and quantitative methodologies in order to substantially dismantle barriers in real world applications (reliability and validity are augmented as a result). The 3 studies I incorporated in my first post worked alone and together in their cumulative designs to amalgamate multi-culturalism, biopsychosocial characteristics, age, ethos, etc. Also, the founders and utilizers of these progressive methods of research and data analysis bring forth a mindset different than researchers long ago and today's provincial and reactionary researchers. I'm not trying to show that Black people are mere experimental robots towards Tyler Perry's craft, I'm showing that the newly designed, newly implemented social research findings go beyond conjecture as we usually see in any blog, etc., and reach a better understanding and in some cases empathy within even the smallest of social facets.
Apr 8 - 10:46 AM
First off there are clear indications that few films (i.e. The Lion King, Forrest Gump and The Godfather) possess universal stature (Fischoff, Antonio, & Lewis, 2008; Knobloch-Westerwick, Musto, & Shaw, 2008; Miller, 2012). These films endure time, ethnicity, age, and gender. When analyzing data there are strong indicators of race correlating and showing strong statistical significance; as in a longitudinal study by Fischoff, et al. (2008) where "by way of comparison, Black participants cited 48% of their Top 25 films espousing top-billed Black actors and/or writers and directors...as Black participants were highly partial to race-congruent films" (Fischoff, Antonio, & Lewis, 2008). A genre comparison component found that Black participants in all three studies had an overwhelming preference for Drama (56%) while it was 30% for Caucasians and 19% for Hispanics. Furthermore, Miller (2012) found Caucasians ?show an overwhelming preference for race congruence with proportions of racially congruent films ranging from 96% (Director and Writer) to a low of 87% (Supporting Cast)?.
"You have to grab moments when they happen." ~Denzel Washington
Fischoff, S., Antonio, J., & Lewis, D. (2008). Favorite films and film genres as a function of race, age, and gender. Journal of Media Psychology, Theories, Methods, and Applications, 3(1), 3-15. doi:10.1027/1864-118.104.22.168
Knobloch-Westerwick, S., Musto, P., & Shaw, K. (2008). Rebellion in the top music charts: Defiant messages in rap/hip-hop and rock music 1993 and 2003. Journal of Media Psychology: Theories, Methods, and Applications, 20(1), 15-23. doi:10.1027/1864-122.214.171.124
Miller, J. L. (2012). Speculative fiction: Race, ethnicity, and difference. Retrieved from www.valpo.edu/christcollege/assets/pdfs/speculativefiction.pdf
Apr 4 - 06:41 PM
I cant believe this crap has made almost 23 million dollars!!
Apr 4 - 05:22 PM
Seriously, who cares?
Apr 11 - 04:56 PM
May 11 - 11:45 PM
Jennifer Hayes O'Neal
I'm on my way to see it now...as a TP fan I am growing old of his typical cliche movies. My son really wants to see it, I'm kind of dreading it but its Spring Break and we have nothing to do soooo I really hope that I am not disappointed.
Apr 4 - 11:43 AM
What the **** did I just read?
Apr 3 - 05:59 PM
I love it when someone's bold enough to call the attention of black people over a computer.
Apr 2 - 07:46 PM
That is right, these honkies are rayciss!!!! Tyler is better than Martin Luther King!!! Love him or be da rayciss!!!!
Apr 3 - 09:52 AM
It's very ironic the only people who continuously clamor about race and racism,is white people in this discussion. Hmm. You don't have to like someone to enjoy one of their films. You prob hate the film, because you think it's horrible. The reasoning behind it being horrible to you goes back to you not relating to this movie. If you did relate to it, you prob would've found it interesting. I don't support Tyler because of his color, but because of his creativity and his upbringing which is very inspiring. It's just so happen that he's black and make movies I can relate to. My personal fav director right now is indeed a white guy, Jon Favreau.
Apr 3 - 11:47 AM
LMAO, I have yet to find a single white person that thinks "OH LUUUUUUUURD" or a single minute of any Madea movie is entertaining or not cringe worthy.
This is like affirmative director approval for a hack.
Apr 3 - 02:00 PM
He's also a very gay man that needs to come to terms with it and accept it and stop being ashamed of being a very flaming mincing gay man
Apr 3 - 02:03 PM
Dude say what you will.BLACK PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS! Tyler Perry can't write, direct or act. He's like feeding the black community nothing but empty calories.
Apr 7 - 08:53 AM
couldn't agree more....especially since I'm no fan of his films....I guess that means I'm not part of the target audience....LOL
Apr 2 - 06:33 PM
If you don't like Tyler Perry you are a rayciss! You are Rayciss!
Tyler Perry is a genius! Only rayciss don't like him, because of slavery all white must like Tyler Perry or you are rayciss!!!!
Only white people who are rayciss don't like Tyler the genius!!
Apr 1 - 09:54 PM
Your comment is a prime example as to how no one has to help a fool, show that he's a fool.
Apr 3 - 11:49 AM
I LOVED this movie. A lot of married couples could definitely relate. A little dramatic as usual for TP films, but hey- didn't I go to the movies to be entertained?
Apr 1 - 09:29 PM
Yawn. Sure sure
Apr 1 - 09:45 PM
Over dramatization is entertaining? To each its own I suppose.
Apr 8 - 09:44 PM
This makes a shit load of sense.
Anyways, his films other than "I Can Do Bad All By Myself" are just whatever-type of films I'd just watch & never care for after a while. Temptation, as much as I want to watch it, looks the same, & regardless, it will be the same as what Perry does. The trailer was hot, & will probably still be better than the film itself.
Apr 1 - 07:04 PM
Apr 4 - 05:23 PM
You've made him a vast millionaire because of skin colour. How brainwasherific!
Apr 1 - 01:41 PM
Yeah, only white filmmakers are allowed to suck and get rich.
Apr 2 - 04:42 PM
Holy shit dude nobody ever said that there aren't any bad white filmmakers. Here's a few Michael Bay, Uwe Boll, Joel Schumacher (for the Batmans), Peter Farrelly (Movie 43).
Apr 3 - 12:37 AM
Holy shit, dude, I never said they did. Pat suggested that brainwashing causes black to support Perry. Does brainwashing cause whites to support Michael Bay? Blacks don't make supporting black filmmakers some special cause. If so, then Spike Lee would never have a flop. People support Tyler Perry because they enjoy his films, just as people enjoy Michael Bay's films. Black people are as equally entitled to bad taste as white people.
Apr 3 - 09:10 PM
Also, Tyler Perry sucks and is rich so your comment doesn't make any sense.
Apr 3 - 12:38 AM
Go be racist somewhere else, Guy.
Apr 3 - 10:20 AM
I'm not your friend buddy, I'm not your buddy guy!
Apr 3 - 06:01 PM
I know, Alex, you've got the racism covered here...
Apr 3 - 09:04 PM
How, dipshit? Name one racist comment that I have said. Having trouble? Yeah, that's because you're a dumbfuck who can't write a comeback worth shit.
Apr 4 - 12:16 PM
Lol, never have I felt obligated 2 c his movies, but muster through what I can on television or on demand (free), so I will b waiting until this movies does one or d other b4 I c it.
However d message s from d movies r fine, it's d terrible acting, lack of depth with characters and d preachy overtones that disinterest me in going 2 d movies 2 c his movies. At best I think they could come on lifetime, bet or something, smh
Apr 1 - 01:04 PM
Coming into this one late, but I treat TP films like cheap, grocery store novels. I don't expect them to be anything more than they are and accept them. As so many here have already pointed out, he will continue to cater to his niche and make money. I really don't expect more from him as a director because he sees no need for improvement as long as he's filling theater seats. Whenever that fails, he will don "the suit" and do what he does best. I am not expecting a Tony or Oscar anytime soon. It is what it is.
Apr 1 - 11:28 AM
This is so true!!!!
Apr 1 - 01:05 PM
Well said and so true.
Apr 1 - 05:32 PM
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Apr 9 - 07:42 AM
I'm not a fan of TP either. I've watched a few of his movies, a few are pretty good. But I'm truly tired of the same formula. But, I understand that the formula works for him...so why change it. I'm not mad at him. But I surely miss the old black romance movies, like "Deliver Us From Eva", "Breaking All the Rules", "love and Basketball",etc. I just want to be able to watch a nice, black, romantic comedy movie, without some kind of heavy message behind (like women getting abused by their men). I don't think I'm asking for too much.
Mar 31 - 06:48 PM
Different writers, different times I guess. But I loved these movies back n d day as well and am not willing 2 settle for tp,no no no!
Apr 1 - 01:07 PM
I agree Marie Carmelise.. .. .. I miss those types of black romance movies
Apr 4 - 06:39 AM
Drop the ego, Tyler and collaborate with others! Appear in other films. I liked Alex Cross. More of those. People are getting tired of the crap made church flicks.
Mar 31 - 06:00 PM
" I liked Alex Cross. "
I think you might be alone there.
Apr 1 - 07:34 AM
Apr 5 - 12:48 PM
At least someone liked it...
Apr 1 - 11:02 AM
I have seen all of TP movies with the exception of one or two. And though he seems to get a lot of flack for his movies from critics, I continue to see them b/c despite the extremism of most --if not all?there is always an underlying story that is reality-based and worthy of being heard.
Mar 31 - 04:17 PM
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Let me guess, you're black
Apr 1 - 01:40 PM
Apr 1 - 03:05 PM
Apr 1 - 09:44 PM
Tyler Perry is the Antichrist of black cinema.
Mar 31 - 10:54 AM
Mar 31 - 03:44 PM
First let me say I'm black. I was embarrassed at how silly this movie was.. It was like a high school film project, terrible acting and just stupid lines. When Bryce slams his truck door and the window breaks is really dumb. How can Perry expect us to be loyal to his films when he insults us and thinks we will fall for this kind of movie?
Mar 31 - 08:43 AM
Mar 30 - 10:35 PM
Olympus has Fallen is probably worse and doesn't receive the same level of criticism
Mar 30 - 10:11 PM
Olympus Has Fallen is actually pretty entertaining, sure its dumb and at times a bit bombastic, but it's a fun/badass time.
Mar 30 - 11:19 PM
Mar 31 - 05:22 AM
Have you even seen Olympus? Very good movie.
Mar 31 - 11:05 AM
Horace Highland Jr.
I wanted to see Olympus Has Fallen but the ratings on the website made me think twice! The commercial looks tight though.
Mar 31 - 05:59 AM
80 per cent like from the audience on rotten tomatoes.
Mar 31 - 11:07 AM
You r right, yet another movie I will wait 2 come to tv or on demand 4 free. There are plenty of terrible movies. Tp is dominating d "black movies" @ dis time it seems...if this genre had more movies within it, this would b just another bad movie review.
Apr 1 - 01:12 PM
Bonita is correct. Tyler Perry does have a niche. His audience consists of loyal fans who seek the lowest common denominator in entertainment. Tyler Perry's only talent is giving his audience what they want. He is mediocre as a director, writer and an actor. Mr. Perry has made what, 12 movies? Can you honestly say that he has become a great director? He is NOT true to any craft. A craft is something that one has respect for. Has he taken the opportunity afforded him to develop into a skilled writer or actor? As long as his audience supports his mediocre efforts, there is no incentive for him to improve. He will continue to turn out 1-2 horrible movies each year and laugh all the way to the bank.
Mar 30 - 08:44 PM
Apr 1 - 01:13 PM
Wow Horace...that is an interesting (and somewhat harsh) perspective! What makes TP's genre of movies any different from any other specialized genre...say Horror movies. Have you seen the Horror movies that are constantly released? There is absolutely no substance whatsoever! Yet 9 out of 10 times the Horror movie will rate #1 at the box office or bring in LOTS of money. Do you consider the producers of Horror Movies as pimps also? They have found a select group of people who LOVE those type of movies and they capitalize on it. It's called a "Niche". TP is no different. His target audience consist of primarily church-going women of color interested the topics portrayed in his movies such as betrayal, abuse and other moral life lessons. And he is smart to only focus on producing material his select fan base enjoys because the formula works. Don't hate the player...hate the game. :) PS: Let me add that I am NOT a diehard TP fan. I just appreciate his success and the fact that he is true to HIS craft and HIS audience and does not waiver by trying to be or do what OTHERS think he should do.
Mar 30 - 05:02 PM
You bring up an interesting point that I hadn't really considered before. I'm not a horror movie fan at all...I was 21 before I could even sit down and watch Michael Jackson's Thriller without closing my eyes :) If we look at it that way, what you are saying makes perfect sense. I just have to accept it for what it is and remember that the next time he comes out with a movie that I should exercise caution before spending money on it. If anything, I think I'm just frustrated because I really had high expectations for this film. I thought that this was going to be a landmark film for black eroticism. With Kim. K, and Jurnee, how could someone go wrong? But then again, how tempting can a movie be that is PG-13? That was my first mistake. Thank you for giving me something to chew on.
Mar 31 - 05:57 AM
Yea I said BLACK PEOPLE!!! Of course my post is limited to MY experience, and not everyone else. Sure, it's generalized, but oh well. I honestly don't care about who agrees or doesn't.
Mar 30 - 07:03 AM
If you don't care about people's opinions, why did you make this thread?
Mar 30 - 07:23 AM
do you see me debating with people about how they feel about tyler perry movies?? nope. reading is fundamental
Mar 30 - 10:26 AM
Alright. I'll ask again, because obviously reading isn't fundamental to you. The point of starting a thread, especially one as bold as yours, is to inspire discussion. If you don't care about these discussions...why start it?
Mar 30 - 10:50 AM
He started it because obvious trolls are obvious.
Mar 30 - 12:20 PM
Well, if he is a troll, he was semi-successful. He managed to piss off a couple people here.
Mar 30 - 12:42 PM
Mar 30 - 07:55 PM
Actually Alcoon, the point was to simply state my opinion. There is nothing "bold" about this. Honestly, I haven't read 96% of these other people's comments they made
Mar 31 - 05:20 AM
What makes you think we care about your opinion? Especially since you just admitted that you haven't read 96% of the responding posts.
Mar 31 - 03:10 PM
I'm black and no I don't flock to see all of his films. I did enjoy this one and I hope he makes millions this weekend. How many other Black filmmakers are able to produce Box Office films? We only have Tyler and Will Smith. We shouldnt have to wait for Steven Spieldberg or Quentin Tarantino to make something we can relate to.
Mar 30 - 04:52 AM
You left out Spike Lee. John Singleton. The Hughes Brothers. F. Gary Gray. Antoine Fuqua. Malcolm Lee. Ava DuVernay. Kasi Lemmons. Even Bill Duke makes better films.
Mar 31 - 10:42 AM
Exactly Adam. The people who like Perry's films support the most base and salacious stories that he tells. They don't give a damn about quality.
Mar 31 - 05:09 PM
And how often do any of those filmmakers work, let alone create their unique visions? Their films don't make enough money for them to be free to follow their own visions, so they can only be hired at best to do "whatever" films.
Apr 2 - 04:45 PM
I don't think Spike Lee makes "whatever" films.
Apr 3 - 12:54 PM
And when he makes his visionary films they tend to fail box office-wise.
Apr 3 - 09:12 PM
And despite that, he still is allowed to continue to create good films.
Perry wishes he had the craft that Lee has. Sure, Perry rakes in more cash consistently, but Lee creates quality more consistently. I just wish Spike Lee had the loyal fanbase that Perry has.
But I don't criticize those who enjoy Tyler Perry's movies. They aren't my cup of tea, but I don't believe his fans are stupid or "brainwahsed" for enjoying them. I myself enjoy low-budget, direct to DVD horror movies. I'm sure there are those out there who'd criticize me for that. But I think people are overreacting over Tyler Perry.
Apr 3 - 11:21 PM
DOn't say "black people" because not all black people like Tyler Perry's movies or are going to see this. Are you black? If you are, then you are addressing yourself, too. And since I assume YOU aren't going to see his movies, then you ought to drop that "black people" shit.Just say Tyler Perry fans. And btw, who the fuck are you to tell people they aren't obligated to see his movies? The type of black women that love his movies don't go to see a movie unless they really want to see it. And you know those types are very narrow in what they will pay money to see at the theater, and Perry is just about the ONLY thing they will watch. So leave them be.
Mar 30 - 03:03 AM
Tell em why you mad!!
Mar 30 - 07:00 AM
Same shit all the time. a black female told me I wasn't black because I don't like his movies
Mar 29 - 10:28 PM
Why generalize "all black people" as if we all think, act, and like the same things? Nevermind O_o If someone is ignorant enough to have that mindset in 2013.....
Apr 3 - 06:43 PM
Sherley Lee Fields
The movie was good entertainment. No it is not a comedy. He will make a lot of money on this one. Go Tyler. Haters galore get a life. I have seen movies get Oscars that were worse than this.
Mar 29 - 07:58 PM
This wont make very much money because even the fanbase doesn't want to see it because of Kim Kardashian. And I think I've been watching a whole different Academy Awards then you have been...
Mar 29 - 08:08 PM
the academy is bullshit
Mar 30 - 01:26 AM
Occasionally, but what does that have to do with my comment?
Mar 30 - 02:58 AM
Terrell, are there any movies that you liked that you think should have been nominated for an Oscar but wasn't? What is the title?
Mar 30 - 03:06 AM
Please name the Oscar winning movies that you believe are worse than this film.
Mar 30 - 02:19 PM
Mar 31 - 10:44 AM
I can respect a man who can build an empire and produce whatever it is he wants to make. But black people deserve better material than what Tyler Perry puts out.
Mar 29 - 07:04 PM
Like Soul Plane? LOL. You're right!
Mar 29 - 08:00 PM
I watched Soul Plane and I think my IQ dropped about 20 points as a result.
Mar 30 - 04:38 PM
Soul Plane? That's all you got? Not even Boyz N The Hood or Do The Right Thing or Friday? Soul Plane? Now I know you're being obtuse.
And what do black people deserve? We sure ain't getting it. Imagine a movie like Inception with all black people as the cast. I guarantee you it wouldn't get the amount if praise it gets now. Truth is, black people is a low demographic that most don't care about. Few directors tried, but ultimately we will always be labeled and stamp to Hollywood's standards about black people.
Apr 11 - 05:04 PM
It's easier just to ignore it. I just don't see them and it's as if they never existed so they don't matter to me.
Mar 29 - 05:30 PM
I agree with Migs 100%. It pains me to say it, but this is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Tyler Perry has lost all credibility with me as a director. There is literally nothing about this movie that warrants praise. Every criticism I have read is spot on. I used to believe that white people could never effectively critique black movies because they were not well-enough acquainted with the "black" experience. In other words, I used to believe you can't understand me unless you walk a mile in my shoes. I don't believe that anymore. I realize that white audiences have caught on to TP's schemes better that our audiences have. TP is a smart man who figured out who to pimp his own people. He has figured out a formula that involves black women, relationships, and church. It works every time. It works so well that he pumps out the same crap every year and we go and see it. Mainstream critics blast his movies, yet his facebook fans seem to love every piece of shit that falls out his ass. It's amazing. We need to wake up and demand more. These are talent actors/actresses. They deserve better. They should demand better, but they need checks. As long as we keep supporting this rubbish, those checks won't stop.
Mar 29 - 05:25 PM
EXACTLY! Completely agree with you.
Mar 29 - 08:34 PM
I dont understand what was bad about the movie. and youre right, white audiences CANNOT efficiently critique black films for that reason of not having the "black" experience. I dont think tyler perry is pimping his people and casting Kimk wasn't that big of a deal to me anyway. Honestly, white critics are bashing the movie and their reasons for why its "Terrible" dont make sense. Every review somebody talks about either KimK or Tyler Perry but fail to go into the depth of the movie. I loved the movie and think it was outstandingly entertaining. All these reasons are bullshit. It was a great movie.
Mar 30 - 01:31 AM
Bro I can't believe you thought this was a good movie or "outstandlingly entertaining". If TP thinks his black fans will love this movie then he's insulting us because it is ridiculously dumb and demonstrates that black people can't speak proper english.
Mar 31 - 08:53 AM
He lost credibility with you? The fact that he even was a credible director to anyone is amazing.
Mar 30 - 03:10 AM
Mar 30 - 10:43 AM
Right?! When was he ever credible to start?
Mar 31 - 10:45 AM
In all fairness, I do like several of TP's past efforts. Madea's Family Reunion is one of my favorite movies. I watch it ever time. And I think When Will I Get Married 2 was lightweight brilliant. Somehow he transcended himself in making those films. But his recent crop of films have been disasters. And he doesn't show any signs of improving. Maybe he feels he can just flip his stage plays into movies and make a quick buck. Maybe he just doesn't care. Anyone who can call this movie "entertainment" needs their head examined (unless you find women talking about matching accessories together exciting). I have been watching films for a long time and these white critics on this site look like they have been as well. If this was 1990 and we were talking about Boyz N The Hood, then I think my former stance on white critics being unable to rate black movies would make sense. At that time, we really didn't have any major black movies. But 23 years later, we have been down this road more than once. A bad movie is a bad movie. People are not as ignorant of different cultures as they used to be. Yes, as negroes we have been told that we need to support the efforts of our own directors. We were told that Spike Lee's ticket sales for Malcolm X suddenly appeared as ticket stubs for Home Alone. We have been told black dollars help create NAACP image awards. But what happens when someone takes advantage of this? What happens when someone is a con? That is what TP feels like to me at this point. He knows his core audience of church-going blacks will see whatever he makes. Therefore, he doesn't make any effort to improve. How is it this movie has a rating of 6% on the tomato meter yet, someone like Sherley Fields says its good entertainment? I'm not sure, but I do know I'm done supporting his efforts. Hell, even 1990's Def by Temptation with Kadeem Hardison was better than this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOylFKmX7s
Mar 30 - 06:18 AM
Wow Horace...that is an interesting (and somewhat harsh) perspective! What makes TP's genre of movies any different from any other specialized genre...say Horror movies. Have you seen the Horror movies that are constantly released? There is absolutely no substance whatsoever! Yet 9 out of 10 times the Horror movie will rate #1 at the box office or bring in LOTS of money. Do you consider the producers of Horror Movies as pimps also? They have found a select group of people who LOVE those type of movies and they capitalize on it. Its called a "Niche". TP is no different. His niche consist of primarily church-going women of color interested the topics portrayed in his movies such as betrayal, abuse and other moral life lessons. And he is smart to only focus on producing material his select fan base enjoys because the formula works. Don't hate the player...hate the game. :) PS: Let me add that I am NOT a die hard TP fan. I just appreciate his success and the fact that he is true to HIS craft and HIS audience and does not waiver by trying to be or do what OTHERS think he should do.
Mar 30 - 05:04 PM
yes, its possible both the producers of the films you bring up and Tyler Perry are pimping there audience. They aren't mutually exclusive, or can't there be blacks you exploit? When there is very little to no improvement in your craft, you are open to criticism. Thats not doing what others think he should do. Do you think you are objective when criticizing his movies, or are you more concerned with defending garbage just because its marketed toward people you're familiar with and produced by a black man? With defenders like yourself, why would he improve? I guess you think "Alex Cross" was good too...
Mar 30 - 08:47 PM
Right on, Anthony Patterson.
Mar 31 - 05:11 PM
I'm sorry.... the "black" experience? Please elaborate.
Mar 30 - 08:48 PM
People are obligated to see movies. Even if the movie sucks, people buy tickets to "support the cause." All ethnicities do it. Latinos support awful Jennifer Lopez. Even if they weren't Knicks fan, Asians bought Jeremy Lin gear. Blacks support Ice Cube?Gabourey Sidibe?Queen Latifah. Whites: Kevin Costner?Kristen Stewart?Johnny Depp. I applaud Tyler Perry for getting rich off the cause.
Mar 29 - 03:11 PM
He's a brilliant business man. That's for sure.
Mar 29 - 03:31 PM
They aren't obligated. These are the stories they want to see, with people that look like them and stories with salacious elements.
Mar 30 - 03:12 AM
They're obligated. It's a fact.
Mar 30 - 06:29 PM
Prove it. And if you won't, then you are just talking crap. You need facts to support your statement. I know a black person who SAYS "We MUST support black made movies" but he won't go to certain black cast and written and directed movies that don't appeal to him. People ultimately see the movies they want to see.
Mar 30 - 08:00 PM
Nevermind I was self misinformed on the definition of obligated. I was thinking it meant that they have a right to see the movies. I agree with you then. They're not obligated.
Apr 1 - 04:14 PM
If they enjoy going to see his movies, by all means let them! For me, his movies are easy to ignore. I find them inoffensive. They aren't overly advertised and their fanbase aren't a bunch of fanatics. Sure, they may suck, but obviously they have a target audience, and that audience enjoys them.
Mar 29 - 08:33 AM
What a stupid and arrogant thing to say. So you think black people aren't smart enough to know what they like? No shit they're not obligated to see it. No one is obligated to see ANY film, so what is your point? If you are indeed black, than you are giving yourself and your race a bad name. Either support it or ignore it. Stop the hate!
Mar 29 - 08:23 AM
Migs, whenever a new Tyler Perry movie came out when I was younger, my friends always dragged me out to see it. What I noticed was that half of the audience were older Caucasian couples. Although his horrible movies/plays are geared towards black people, Americans of all races go to see his movies. So if you're going to generalize, at least get your facts straight.
Mar 29 - 05:35 AM
Old folks will go see anything to get out of the house. Especially if they are seniors. They get that senior discount.
Mar 30 - 03:14 AM
Yeah, I hear from older white people who like Tyler Perry films. But these are also the same people who say Obama's a Kenyan and are surprised that, at age 29, I have no babies or baby-mamas.
Mar 31 - 10:52 AM
Mar 31 - 05:12 PM
Maybe you're from a different area of the country, but I'm the ushing supervisor at a local movie theater (Austin, TX) so I see every member of the audience on their way out and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the audience demographic for the movie here has been about 85% black, 10% hispanic, and 5% white. I would say the demographics for an ordinary release here are around 50% white, 30% hispanic, and 20% black. I watched the movie myself when I got off my shift on Friday night and thought it was pretty awful all-around, but I'll admit this was the first Tyler Perry movie that I've ever seen.
Mar 31 - 12:38 PM
And you are not obligated tell black people what they should or should not watch. Nobody gives a damn anymore Tyler Perry will always make movies and he will always make movies for his fans. You're not a fan so why the fuck do you care? That's like me tellin white people they aren't obligated to watch a Jackass movie.
Mar 29 - 04:47 AM
Implying that only white people would go see Jackass...
Mar 29 - 05:55 AM
I'm white and I think Jackass is one of the dumbest pieces of shit ever made..... but not as bad as the stuff Tyler Perry puts out. *ba dum tss*
Mar 29 - 11:41 AM
Mar 31 - 10:46 AM
Right, because a bunch of crazy white people and midget doing obnoxious, disgusting, and illogical stunts is what people call solid comedy and entertainment.
Apr 4 - 09:01 PM
Nobody said that it was....
Apr 7 - 02:28 AM
While you're trying to put my statements against me, going by your same logic the same could be said about this entire discussion, implying that only "black people" watch his movies.
Apr 4 - 08:50 PM
No one is telling you what to see or not to see, but why the fuck would any sane person go see a Tyler Perry movie? answer that question without laughing
Apr 4 - 03:27 PM
tyler perry just GETS black people
Mar 29 - 12:37 AM
All of Tyler Perry's movies are filled with stereotypes and make black people look like melodramatic morons.
Mar 29 - 11:43 AM
Mar 29 - 08:01 PM
Okay.. So name the white movie that doesn't cast blacks as stereotypes.. I agree that Tyler Perry is not a great filmmaker. But shit movies like The Hangover or American Pie series are pumped out to great reception and no one tells the audience they should be demanding more. Either you choose to watch that garbage or not. And Hollywood will never stop making it. There are simply far less black filmmakers who can regularly crank out films so they're more heavily scrutinized. I don't like Perry's films. I don't see Perry's films. But I understand that he has an audience that are not served by much of Hollywood. So more power to him and hopefully he'll eventually improve as a director.
Mar 29 - 10:41 PM
I liked The Hangover and the first American Pie movie...
Mar 29 - 11:23 PM
Excellent comment Guy.
Mar 30 - 04:47 AM
So why doesn't he expand his horizons, he owns a studio for gods sake. Where's the black sci'fi, or black legal drama, or historical movie? Its the same stereotypical nonsense, there's no balance to his work, and its generally poorly produced. You can see the plot holes and twist a mile away. Some people don't like to hear unpleasant things about the things they love...
Mar 30 - 08:53 PM
He opened his "34th Street" division a few years ago, ostensibly to develop and promote projects by minority filmmakers not named Tyler Perry. Not one 34th Street project has seen the light of day. At this point he could just retire and start cutting checks to more talented artists -- but then it wouldn't be all about him.
Mar 31 - 10:49 AM
The point that so many here are missing is that there always have and always will be exploitation films of many genres. Cheese ball white romances like Safe Haven or The Vow. The teen vampire romance genre. Does anyone think that shit ends with the last Twilight? Bad horror movies. What Saw are we up to? And how long before they reboot Friday The 13th? Teen sex farces. Pointless action shoot 'em ups. Jason Statham has essentially made the same movie for about the past 10 years with different titles. Are any of those here griping about Tyler Perry going to Bollywood forums and telling Indians not to watch those films? To Latino forums and telling Latinos to give up their over-acted soaps? Japanese forums and griping about the nonsensical anime films and tv series? There is such a thing as African American culture. And for some folks, it involves "gossip" movies like those Perry produces. Go and gripe to Roger Corman or John Carpenter or David Lynch for producing poorly written and paced films. How many of you critics sat through and praised The Dark Knight Rises, which was loaded with plot holes. It wasn't even a satisfying action film (The boring Bats vs. Bane fights). If you trash TP but praise other bad movies simply because they're your kind of bad movies then you're a hypocrite.
Mar 31 - 09:17 PM
Oh Jeez I loved the black stereotypes excuse for criticism and every time someone brings them up, when I ask to name every damn stereotype in the movie, they don't respond.
Shut up about stereotypes. Why is that stereotypes only exist when it comes to black films. I never hear an outcry about white stereotypes on Adam Sandler movies. It's almost taboo. Like stereotypes exist only with black people. There is no such thing. Stereotypes is the most pathetic criticism of our culture, especially in entertaining. It's just masked way of the word downgrading us to nothing more than just "stereotypes."
"Oh look I see a black guy on a movie drinking kool-aid."
Let's form a stereotype: All black people like kool-aid. Absolute nonsense and fallacy.
Apr 4 - 08:56 PM
Yes, the Hangover and American Pie makes white people look like total morons. Notice the bias?... Oh, you don't.
Apr 25 - 07:29 PM
Those movies are about idiots, though! Tyler Perry's movies (usually) aren't.
Jun 16 - 02:22 AM
Seb you racist piece of shit, he gets HIS kind of black people. A chunk of Church going, middle class black women.
Mar 30 - 03:16 AM
Mar 28 - 07:48 PM
maybe you care since you responded to it....who knows *shrugs*
Mar 31 - 03:45 PM
I didn't say I didn't care. I asked you what makes you think we care?
Mar 31 - 03:55 PM