The Dark Knight Rises -- This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

Summary

Matt Atchity here, Editor in Chief of Rotten Tomatoes. I want to set the record straight on some of the things that are happening with the reviews for The Dark Knight Rises right now. Back to Article

Comments

dudemeister

dude meister

Well said Matt. As much as I am looking forward to the film, this sort of behavior makes me embarrassed to be a fan.

Jul 16 - 05:42 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

I have stayed away from them because, 1, I have already seen plenty of such comments over the years and, 2, I don't want to see any spoilers. Maybe I'll go read them after I've seen Rises (that is, if they're still there in a few days).

Jul 16 - 05:44 PM

Fred Brooks

Fred Brooks

You're right, if a film like "The Avengers" has nearly 280 reviews and only 21 are rotten/negative, that's outstanding period. Critics do have the right to give their honest opinion on a film, as they always should. I only had one problem with a critic who gave "The Avengers" 3 out of 5 and called it Rotten which did'nt equate in my opinion. However it is what it is, and if the critic labeled it rotten, that's his/her call and their right to do so.

Jul 16 - 05:45 PM

Oz

Chris Parry

So in order to protect the system from a single pretendy rotten rating (that shone a critical light on Rotten Tomatoes itself), they're going to stop every movie Snider likes in future from benefiting from his Fresh rating. And they're going to stop every moviegoer from benefiting from any legitimate Rotten rating.
Goodbye nose! That'll teach you, face!
Oh, and to question Snider's ethics in the way it has been above is pretty crass. Fix your own system, RT, not the guy pointing out it's broken.

Jul 16 - 05:49 PM

Jason C Wilkerson

Jason Wilkerson

Considering this wasn't the first time he's done it, I think it was right to call out his ethics. If it was a first time offense, then I would consider it overreacting, but it wasn't. He's misleading people and trying to drive traffic to his own site by misusing the system. RT found out about the issue and solved the problem. I applaud them for that.

Jul 16 - 07:03 PM

Mike Chiaravalloti

Mike Chiaravalloti

So you're saying that RT's system is broken because a critic posted a negative review of a movie he hasn't seen? Call me old fashioned, but it seems to be more like a broken critic

Jul 16 - 10:07 PM

Jason Bradbury

Jason Bradbury

This comment is for Mike C. your an idiot, read what Snider wrote on his site. He only posted the reviews to see how many people would spam his site, its was for sheer entertainment, his own. There was no reasoning for the comment other then to drive up his own numbers.

Jul 17 - 02:40 PM

Zachary T

Zachary Thomas

Snider was a fake critic, a troll. Why not remove him? If you want to try stunts like his, go for it, nobody will take you seriously.

Jul 18 - 01:58 PM

Stephen Mikalik

Stephen Mikalik

You need to differentiate between "Nolan fans", like myself, and "so-called Nolan fans who have never seen The Prestige but freak-out over Batman", like those who are writing the unfortunate remarks.

Jul 16 - 05:50 PM

Roxanne Smith

Roxanne Smith

There are plenty of nolanites who have seen all of his movies and will tell anyone who listens that he is the greatest director who ever lived. It's perfectly fine for them to have that opinion. The problem is that many of them react violently whenever they encounter anything that challenges their assumptions, whether it be a negative review, a blog post or a message on a fan forum. Their tendency to vicious overreaction is so well known that there are sites on which any and all criticism of Nolan and his Batman films is forbidden. These people are bad news with a rep for this sort of thing. Thank g-d that Nolan's run on the Bat franchise is over so that his crazed fans won't have an excuse to run wild again.

Jul 18 - 08:20 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Fred B., I sometimes do wonder if the foul-mouthed posters act the same way when living their lives away from the Internet. Do they focus on all the negative things that cut across the grain, or do they focus on those things they find to be fun? So many of them "yell" at critics and others for not "having fun," but is it "fun" to yell and scream at critics online? Is it "fun" to be racist, sexist, rude and ignorant while online?

Jul 16 - 06:01 PM

Billy Robinson

Billy Robinson

You're awesome Matt... Thanks for defending and promoting integrity and responsibility on RT.

Jul 16 - 06:06 PM

George Wishart

George Wishart

Yes, promoting responsibility on here by erasing threatening comments and asking those disgusting people to please not do it again. Yeah, that will work...

Jul 16 - 06:20 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I assume it's just cathartic, whatever their personal reasons. Good points, btw.

Jul 16 - 06:14 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Are you doing OK, Eric?

Jul 16 - 06:18 PM

dudemeister

dude meister

Looking at the reviews, I'm gonna have to strongly disagree.

Jul 16 - 06:19 PM

Dave J

Dave J

As of Wednesday, July 18, 2012, and out of 118 critics it has 86% so far with 17 reviews rotten and about another 100 or more critics to go too, so time will tell!

Jul 18 - 02:57 PM

George Wishart

George Wishart

Yes, promoting responsibility on here by erasing threatening comments and asking those disgusting people to please not do it again. Yeah, that will work...

Jul 16 - 06:20 PM

Jon Pierre

Jon Pierre

Glad this was said, and to be honest, I prefer to read negative reviews for a number of reasons. If someone liked the movie yay, good for them. However, I want to know what people thought was wrong or could've been done better. That way when I go in to the theater I can assess the movie from their point of view. If I come out and agree with the negative assessments I can pat them on the shoulder knowing they saw the same flaws I did, or vice versa, I can disagree with them and formulate a logical opinion for WHY I disagree with them. That's why it's called CRITICISM. However, hating a movie or writing an illogical/false review is just annoying. It's okay to have an opinion, but try to back it up with something that makes sense.

Jul 16 - 06:22 PM

Edmund Davis-Quinn

Edmund Davis-Quinn

Wil Wheaton agrees with your sentiments. Or at least wonderful use of his quote.

Jul 16 - 06:27 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

On the whole Facebook commenting system thing: I hope someone notices that Facebook people, here and on those negative review threads, are hardly less obnoxious and nasty than RT members. Anonymity seems to not be enough of a deterrent for folks making asses of themselves.

Jul 16 - 06:29 PM

scifimark

scifi mark

lol. I couldnt agree more. Most people dont realize that it come back and bite you later

Jul 16 - 07:07 PM

bigbrother

Bigbrother .

Really what good can come from knowing the name of the person you're cyber-arguing with? Meanwhile that lack of anonymity could get someone hacked by Anonymous or worse. I generally wouldn't think it possible, but some folks on the internet I wouldn't put past tracking someone down and physically stalking or confronting them and I think most people know that I'm not a troller looking to protect my trolling ways. I just don't see the benefit of putting someone out their like that. Like Janson said, people aren't any more polite from Facebook now.

Jul 16 - 09:43 PM

Helge B.

Helge Beck

Okay, I'm going to speak very loosely and verbosely here, and probably end up with something half-baked... When I first watched The Dark Knight, it managed to move me and leave me stumbling out of the theater like no film had ever accomplished before. The experience stayed with me, and made me reflect the film constantly for over a year, until I finally decided to go professional with it and write my diploma on TDK. Back then, when a good friend said to me that the film "wasn't very good", I was actually ready to tell him to f*ck off.

I then analyzed the whole thing thoroughly and devotedly for another 6 months, tore it apart, put the pieces back together, scraped out its ideas, its influences, its theses, and academically cemented the conviction I had carried around with myself from the get-go: that TDK is one of the most, if not the most relevant film of our time and one of the greatest films ever committed to celluloid.
I believe I have, through simple, personal passion coupled with some hard work, acquired the right to go nuts and bonkers over any elaborate review or single-spaced opinion ?? be it positive or negative - which doesn't do justice to the complexity and intelligence of Jonathan Nolan's script and Christopher Nolan's almost flawless transition of it to the screen.
One of my (unpublished) conclusions was that if there would ever be a sequel (which I deemed highly unlikely at the time), there would be no way for it to fundamentally expand and / or improve upon what was stated in TDK. That film just went way beyond everything that even the biggest "Nolanites" and Batman fanboys, and the most articulate critics, have yet managed to praise or criticize it for publicly.

Long story short: I know TDK like the back of my hand, I understand its strenghts as well as its limitations and shortcomings, and I still just love the movie to death. I could defend it on any ground whatsoever and I'd prevail. Everybody has his film, or her film, and TDK is definitely MY film.

Now, my opinion of TDK is founded in both subjective experience and sober analysis, so luckily I am able to "criticize its critics" confidently, but with a cool head. Nobody can take the experience from me because I can justify it with a shitload of knowledge (and unfortunately, that's something I can't say about any other movie I love). If Armond White fundamentally misunderstands the film, I can live with that very well. I still respect the man, because no matter how contradictory his opinions often are, no matter how many films he trashes which I like, in the process he still manages to get me to rethink, often reaffirm, and even revise the standards which I impose on films. In the end, I would just love to have a long talk with the guy, to be able to plausibly tell him why exactly he got it SO wrong.

How can you stand up for a movie and express your personal respect for it by simple-mindedly and even hatefully bashing any different opinion ?? be it reasonable or unfunded? How exactly can a 99%, or a 94%, or a 57% RT score ever affect the movie as you've experienced it? It's a NUMBER. It appears to me that all these people don't know what they love, and why they love it. It's the only explanation I've got as to how something which is essentially well-meaning and potentially inspiring can become the basis for such bland hatefulness.
The Dark Knight Rises - be it a good, bad, great, flawed or whatever film - certainly wasn't made for that, and I'm a one and two zeros sure that anybody who's got his or her name written big in its end credits would approve of that.

In think Snider's got balls for what he did there and his means justify his methods. And Lemire, Fine and Tookey definitely have all right to speak their minds in a civilized way.

Jul 16 - 06:33 PM

Nathaniel Darling

Nathaniel Darling

Agreed Fred B. as much as I want The Dark Knight Rises to be a critical and Box Office success, I will not bash on someone who disagrees with me on a movie. It is fun to have a debate or what not, but to go as far to death threats is just plain dumb. And I agree Stepping Razor, that it is better to focus on the positive reviews and not the negative ones.

Jul 16 - 06:33 PM

Donavon Bray

Donavon Bray

You are exactly right. That's all that needs to be said.

Jul 16 - 06:41 PM

Zalan Pall

Zalan Pall

Well put, mate.

Jul 16 - 06:52 PM

Bay is .001 Nolan

Bay is .001 Nolan

Haha

Jul 16 - 06:55 PM

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