The Dark Knight Rises -- This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

A letter from RT's editor in chief.

Matt Atchity here, Editor in Chief of Rotten Tomatoes. I want to set the record straight on some of the things that are happening with the reviews for The Dark Knight Rises right now.

It's probably safe to say that The Dark Knight Rises is the most anticipated film of the year. More than The Hobbit. More than The Avengers. And my staff and I knew full well that when the first negative review came in, the reviewer would get pasted in the comments. That dubious honor goes to Marshall Fine. He's a critic we've included on our site -- he's got a respectable background in criticism, and we think he should be included on our site.

Since the referral traffic seems to have crashed his server, we've temporarily removed the review link at Fine's request, so his site can go back up. But the score will not be affected. His Rotten review still applies to the score, even if the link isn't active at the moment.

Update: A second negative review came in, and we'll be policing those comments, too.
Second Update: We have disabled comments on The Dark Knight Rises reviews for a few days.

As expected, we saw a mountain of comments come in about his review, and we're policing them to make sure they're in line with our TOS. Broadly speaking, threats and hate speech will get your commenting privileges revoked.

But Marshall has the right to not like the movie, and people have the right to express their disagreement with him (although if you haven't seen the movie, your arguments may be on shaky ground). And we have the right to pull your comment down and ban you if we think you're acting inappropriately.

Which leads me to Eric D. Snider. He thought it would be funny to post a negative review link on Rotten Tomatoes that links to his own site. He misrepresented his review link. (In case you didn't know, some critics post their own reviews, and my staff posts some -- it's about 50/50). By attributing the link to Film.com, he misrepresented that organization. This is not the first time he's done this. In our opinion, by knowingly posting a link that isn't a review (and he hadn't seen the movie), Snider has abused our trust, and therefore, his reviews will no longer apply to the Tomatometer.

So where does that leave us? It doesn't change the fact that there are trolls, and that minority opinions will be vehemently refuted. But I would like to leave everyone with a few final thoughts:

- If a critic often goes against the majority, but has well-reasoned arguments, it's unlikely we're going to ban them, at least not just for having a different opinion. We're not looking for groupthink here.

- If a critic abuses our trust by linking to something that's not a review, we will take action up to and including removing them from the Tomatometer. If a critic doesn't take their reputation seriously, then neither will we.

- We'll ban you for threats and hate speech -- we're trying to have fun here, so (to quote Wil Wheaton) don't be a dick. And don't try and argue about your right to free speech -- this is a business, and we have the right to refuse service to anyone we feel like.

- We're probably going to move to a Facebook-based commenting system that doesn't allow for anonymity. You'll have to stand by your comments, just like a critic does. So you'll still be able to argue about a movie you haven't seen, but people will know it was you. (I know that won't make a difference for some people, but at least there may be some measure of responsibility). Third Update: We're looking at many other options other than FB, including not allowing comments before a movie opens, moderating all comments before they go live, and a few other things. Facebook isn't the only thing we're considering.

I know that a lot of people will think we're overreacting, and I know my own breeding, sexuality, and intelligence will be called in to question just for daring to ask for some level of respectable debate. That's fine, I'm used to that (I have a show on YouTube, so come at me, bro).

But if I could ask everyone for one thing, it's this: don't be a dick. Even if you think someone else is being a dick. Just take a deep breath, step away from the computer, and maybe go for a walk. Have a smoke if you need one. There are plenty of other things to get angry about, like war, famine, poverty and crime. But not movie reviews.

Sincerely,
Matt Atchity
Editor-in-Chief, Rotten Tomatoes

Comments

Ricky Cracknell

Ricky Cracknell

Well said......

Jul 16 - 03:06 PM

Ryan N.

Ryan Nolan

Eric Snider was probably going to give this a good review when he actually wrote a real one, now his wont count! Dang!

Jul 16 - 05:23 PM

Oz

Chris Parry

So in order to protect the system from a single pretendy rotten rating (that shone a critical light on Rotten Tomatoes itself), they're going to stop every movie Snider likes in future from benefiting from his Fresh rating. And they're going to stop every moviegoer from benefiting from any legitimate Rotten rating.
Goodbye nose! That'll teach you, face!
Oh, and to question Snider's ethics in the way it has been above is pretty crass. Fix your own system, RT, not the guy pointing out it's broken.

Jul 16 - 05:49 PM

Jason C Wilkerson

Jason Wilkerson

Considering this wasn't the first time he's done it, I think it was right to call out his ethics. If it was a first time offense, then I would consider it overreacting, but it wasn't. He's misleading people and trying to drive traffic to his own site by misusing the system. RT found out about the issue and solved the problem. I applaud them for that.

Jul 16 - 07:03 PM

Mike Chiaravalloti

Mike Chiaravalloti

So you're saying that RT's system is broken because a critic posted a negative review of a movie he hasn't seen? Call me old fashioned, but it seems to be more like a broken critic

Jul 16 - 10:07 PM

Jason Bradbury

Jason Bradbury

This comment is for Mike C. your an idiot, read what Snider wrote on his site. He only posted the reviews to see how many people would spam his site, its was for sheer entertainment, his own. There was no reasoning for the comment other then to drive up his own numbers.

Jul 17 - 02:40 PM

Zachary T

Zachary Thomas

Snider was a fake critic, a troll. Why not remove him? If you want to try stunts like his, go for it, nobody will take you seriously.

Jul 18 - 01:58 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

"But if I could ask everyone for one thing, it's this: don't be a dick" . . . BEST LINE EVER WRITTEN ON ROTTEN TOMATOES!!!!! Thanks Matt AtChity

Jul 16 - 06:57 PM

Daniel Morris

Daniel Morris

I was actually very overjoyed to see that, even on Marshall Fine's review, there were almost more comments actually rebuking (and preemptively apologizing for) the whiny haters than comments bashing the reviewer. So much better than it was for The Dark Knight!

I think a lot of people have begun noticing the consequences of inane fandom/hatedom... seen how much it backfires and tarnishes a film's reputation when such attitudes create labels along the lines of "Nolan/DarkKnight fanboy" that carry nothing but negative connotations. At least, that's what it's seemed like to me after reading those comments and speaking to many of my mature friends who love the Batman movies as much as I do.

Long way of putting it, but I believe that something, somewhere, is moving in the right direction. I thank all of the RT-ers who have tried their utmost to spread civility and respect on these discussion boards. And I thank you very much, Matt Atchity, for putting it masterfully in perspective for those who have not gotten it yet.

Jul 16 - 10:00 PM

Rosmary De La Rosa

Rosmary De La Rosa

This Would Have never happen if you had Korean Jesus on ur Side.

Jul 16 - 03:06 PM

Whereis Reemaal

Whereis Reemaal

Awesome jab there.

Jul 16 - 03:52 PM

Bay is .001 Nolan

Bay is .001 Nolan

Haha

Jul 16 - 06:55 PM

Dominic Kovell

Dominic Kovell

Leave Korean Jesus alone. He's busy solving Korean problems.

Jul 16 - 09:51 PM

Bushleaguer28

Brian Priestley

He ironically points out the idiocy of MANY commenters, most of which do not appear to be policed at all, and he's the one that lacks integrity? What's going on in the comment section for Christy Lemire's review is simply appalling right now ...

Jul 16 - 03:08 PM

Brad and Netflix

Bradly Martin

Well said!

Jul 17 - 10:44 AM

Patrick Wells

Patrick Wells

Snider does lack integrity, because he misrepresented himself, and he did it not to make a statement, but rather to draw attention to himself and to his site, and so he could laugh at people. It was unprofessional, and since he has done this before, he should be banned for it.
If he wants to criticize fandom and Rotten Tomatoes commentators, he should do it within an article, or within his ACTUAL review, like a professional. But if he instead wants to pull childish pranks and stunts, then he deserves the consequences of such actions.

Jul 18 - 11:50 AM

Alistair

Garet Cahoon

Thank you.....I think. Extreme fans (even me) do need to be reminded that people have completely different upbringings in film tastes. And 700 comments within a few hours is quite incredible for one review posting.

Jul 16 - 03:12 PM

Dexter R.

Dexter Rose

That was nuts... you would think people who hate "poorly written" reviews would put some time into commenting on the reviews they feel are well-done.

Jul 16 - 03:13 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

I said the same thing about people posting their hate for any critic who "dared" to post a negative review on The Avengers. I mean, last I looked, there was only a small group of negative reviews and dozens and dozens of positive ones. More than 250 positive reviews of Avengers isn't good enough? They are so idiotic that they need to harp on the 20 or so negative reviews? What do these armchair fools want? For everyone to bow down to them and agree with them on everything they like and do their bidding at every turn?
I've long wondered why someone would focus so much energy on people they disagree with (especially when they're really small in number) and not gravitate towards those who agree with them.
They are the thing that they purport to hate. They claim that they hate critics and the supposed power that they have over society, but critics really don't have that much power. They're merely expressing their opinion and the majority of people know that. People make their own choices when it comes to critics: who to read, who to ignore, who to pay more attention to, who to take with a grain of salt, etc. Sometimes a critic can make you consider something you hadn't noticed or realized. As much as I'm informed by critics who write positive reviews of movies I'm interested in/or like, I sometimes learn more from critics who write negative reviews about movies I want to see/or ones that I like. If those things he/she doesn't like aren't annoyances to me, then their arguments won't keep me from seeing a movie. What bothers them may not bother me in the least. Sometimes I may even like those factors that they criticize.

Jul 16 - 05:29 PM

Fred Brooks

Fred Brooks

You're right, if a film like "The Avengers" has nearly 280 reviews and only 21 are rotten/negative, that's outstanding period. Critics do have the right to give their honest opinion on a film, as they always should. I only had one problem with a critic who gave "The Avengers" 3 out of 5 and called it Rotten which did'nt equate in my opinion. However it is what it is, and if the critic labeled it rotten, that's his/her call and their right to do so.

Jul 16 - 05:45 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Fred B., I sometimes do wonder if the foul-mouthed posters act the same way when living their lives away from the Internet. Do they focus on all the negative things that cut across the grain, or do they focus on those things they find to be fun? So many of them "yell" at critics and others for not "having fun," but is it "fun" to yell and scream at critics online? Is it "fun" to be racist, sexist, rude and ignorant while online?

Jul 16 - 06:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I assume it's just cathartic, whatever their personal reasons. Good points, btw.

Jul 16 - 06:14 PM

Nathaniel Darling

Nathaniel Darling

Agreed Fred B. as much as I want The Dark Knight Rises to be a critical and Box Office success, I will not bash on someone who disagrees with me on a movie. It is fun to have a debate or what not, but to go as far to death threats is just plain dumb. And I agree Stepping Razor, that it is better to focus on the positive reviews and not the negative ones.

Jul 16 - 06:33 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Janson J, while part of it may be cathartic for them, their actions seem to go further than mere catharsis, bordering on the psychotic.

Jul 16 - 07:51 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Nathaniel D, it's especially better to focus more on the positives, particularly when (as in the case of Avengers) there are some 258 positive reviews and 21 negatives. And, for The Dark Knight Rises, there's currently 31 positives and 3 negatives. Why should one waste so much energy on 3 negatives, when there's 31 critics who gave it a positive review? These type of ranters tend to be the ones who go on and on lumping all critics into one basket.

Jul 16 - 07:57 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

@Razor - Don't mistake my comment for an excuse. It's obviously a psychotic method of catharsis to go online and make others miserable.

Jul 16 - 08:08 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Janson, I wasn't mistaking your comment as an excuse for their behavior. I did hear what you're saying. All those fanatics and narcissists, they probably deem all their behavior justifiable because they're the ones dishing it out. Their only life rule seems to be "Something's wrong, except when it's not, i.e., when I'm the one doing it." In their minds, it's OK for them to be cathartic at other people's expense, but those other people can't dare do the same to them.

Jul 16 - 10:21 PM

Zachary T

Zachary Thomas

@ dj Mark -- I would agree, people attack the critics who have a negative view because they perceive them as personally attacking their taste.

Jul 18 - 02:03 PM

ProducerPaul

Paul Barrett

Stepping Razor, I did not mean to flag your post as spam. I thought I was hitting the reply button. Sorry about that. Hopefully RT will know better than to pay any attention to that.

Jul 17 - 02:25 PM

dj Mark

Mark Marquis

@Stepping Razor I think you bring up good points and the answers are probably as varied as the people you are describing. One question you raise is why some people focus on the negatives rather than the positives. Nearly any Comedian will tell you that when they are telling jokes on a stage and everyone in the room is laughing, they tend to focus on the one guy in the back who has a frown on his face. It's indicative of the Creative personality to focus on those who are not buying into your art. Some artists are better at ignoring that than others. But fans are not artists, you say? That's the problem. They have put as much of their worth, identity and self expression into someone else's artistic statement that when it gets criticized, they feel a personal affront. This is a symptom of low self esteem in many cases and sheer narcissism in others. Just one possible explanation for Fandom behaving badly.

Jul 18 - 09:45 AM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

Ashron, which post of mine did you accidentally report as spam? Is that post still up?

Jul 18 - 08:27 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@dj Mark, I agree with you. I would likely feel sorry for those with low self-esteem and perhaps even those dripping in narcissism if they weren't so foul. I find it sad that so many millennials think that posting "First" on video comment threads is an achievement. Maybe if they did something more with their time beyond playing videogames, being "first" on comment threads, and attacking critics as if their lives depended on it, such as taking on a hobby where they actually create something of their own, maybe they'll see just how pointless their cinematic obsessions are.

Jul 18 - 08:36 PM

Dexter R.

Dexter Rose

If you're being a dick, you're gonna have a bad time.

Jul 16 - 03:12 PM

Preston S.

Preston Sharpe

I understand people are upset, but if it's a legit review then I'm eager to see what they feel are downsides. What I think is a bigger issue than the negative reviews are the ones that spoil plot points. That's a big issue IMO.

Jul 16 - 03:13 PM

Greg Dinskisk

Greg Dinskisk

Very well said! Great post!

Jul 16 - 03:13 PM

Dexter R.

Dexter Rose

That was nuts... you would think people who hate "poorly written" reviews would put some time into commenting on the reviews they feel are well-done.

Jul 16 - 03:13 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

I said the same thing about people posting their hate for any critic who "dared" to post a negative review on The Avengers. I mean, last I looked, there was only a small group of negative reviews and dozens and dozens of positive ones. More than 250 positive reviews of Avengers isn't good enough? They are so idiotic that they need to harp on the 20 or so negative reviews? What do these armchair fools want? For everyone to bow down to them and agree with them on everything they like and do their bidding at every turn?
I've long wondered why someone would focus so much energy on people they disagree with (especially when they're really small in number) and not gravitate towards those who agree with them.
They are the thing that they purport to hate. They claim that they hate critics and the supposed power that they have over society, but critics really don't have that much power. They're merely expressing their opinion and the majority of people know that. People make their own choices when it comes to critics: who to read, who to ignore, who to pay more attention to, who to take with a grain of salt, etc. Sometimes a critic can make you consider something you hadn't noticed or realized. As much as I'm informed by critics who write positive reviews of movies I'm interested in/or like, I sometimes learn more from critics who write negative reviews about movies I want to see/or ones that I like. If those things he/she doesn't like aren't annoyances to me, then their arguments won't keep me from seeing a movie. What bothers them may not bother me in the least. Sometimes I may even like those factors that they criticize.

Jul 16 - 05:29 PM

Fred Brooks

Fred Brooks

You're right, if a film like "The Avengers" has nearly 280 reviews and only 21 are rotten/negative, that's outstanding period. Critics do have the right to give their honest opinion on a film, as they always should. I only had one problem with a critic who gave "The Avengers" 3 out of 5 and called it Rotten which did'nt equate in my opinion. However it is what it is, and if the critic labeled it rotten, that's his/her call and their right to do so.

Jul 16 - 05:45 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Fred B., I sometimes do wonder if the foul-mouthed posters act the same way when living their lives away from the Internet. Do they focus on all the negative things that cut across the grain, or do they focus on those things they find to be fun? So many of them "yell" at critics and others for not "having fun," but is it "fun" to yell and scream at critics online? Is it "fun" to be racist, sexist, rude and ignorant while online?

Jul 16 - 06:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

I assume it's just cathartic, whatever their personal reasons. Good points, btw.

Jul 16 - 06:14 PM

Nathaniel Darling

Nathaniel Darling

Agreed Fred B. as much as I want The Dark Knight Rises to be a critical and Box Office success, I will not bash on someone who disagrees with me on a movie. It is fun to have a debate or what not, but to go as far to death threats is just plain dumb. And I agree Stepping Razor, that it is better to focus on the positive reviews and not the negative ones.

Jul 16 - 06:33 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Janson J, while part of it may be cathartic for them, their actions seem to go further than mere catharsis, bordering on the psychotic.

Jul 16 - 07:51 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Nathaniel D, it's especially better to focus more on the positives, particularly when (as in the case of Avengers) there are some 258 positive reviews and 21 negatives. And, for The Dark Knight Rises, there's currently 31 positives and 3 negatives. Why should one waste so much energy on 3 negatives, when there's 31 critics who gave it a positive review? These type of ranters tend to be the ones who go on and on lumping all critics into one basket.

Jul 16 - 07:57 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

@Razor - Don't mistake my comment for an excuse. It's obviously a psychotic method of catharsis to go online and make others miserable.

Jul 16 - 08:08 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@Janson, I wasn't mistaking your comment as an excuse for their behavior. I did hear what you're saying. All those fanatics and narcissists, they probably deem all their behavior justifiable because they're the ones dishing it out. Their only life rule seems to be "Something's wrong, except when it's not, i.e., when I'm the one doing it." In their minds, it's OK for them to be cathartic at other people's expense, but those other people can't dare do the same to them.

Jul 16 - 10:21 PM

Zachary T

Zachary Thomas

@ dj Mark -- I would agree, people attack the critics who have a negative view because they perceive them as personally attacking their taste.

Jul 18 - 02:03 PM

ProducerPaul

Paul Barrett

Stepping Razor, I did not mean to flag your post as spam. I thought I was hitting the reply button. Sorry about that. Hopefully RT will know better than to pay any attention to that.

Jul 17 - 02:25 PM

dj Mark

Mark Marquis

@Stepping Razor I think you bring up good points and the answers are probably as varied as the people you are describing. One question you raise is why some people focus on the negatives rather than the positives. Nearly any Comedian will tell you that when they are telling jokes on a stage and everyone in the room is laughing, they tend to focus on the one guy in the back who has a frown on his face. It's indicative of the Creative personality to focus on those who are not buying into your art. Some artists are better at ignoring that than others. But fans are not artists, you say? That's the problem. They have put as much of their worth, identity and self expression into someone else's artistic statement that when it gets criticized, they feel a personal affront. This is a symptom of low self esteem in many cases and sheer narcissism in others. Just one possible explanation for Fandom behaving badly.

Jul 18 - 09:45 AM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

Ashron, which post of mine did you accidentally report as spam? Is that post still up?

Jul 18 - 08:27 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

@dj Mark, I agree with you. I would likely feel sorry for those with low self-esteem and perhaps even those dripping in narcissism if they weren't so foul. I find it sad that so many millennials think that posting "First" on video comment threads is an achievement. Maybe if they did something more with their time beyond playing videogames, being "first" on comment threads, and attacking critics as if their lives depended on it, such as taking on a hobby where they actually create something of their own, maybe they'll see just how pointless their cinematic obsessions are.

Jul 18 - 08:36 PM

Carl Knepel

Carl Knepel

Well-written article with reasonable points. While I am what most would describe as a "fanboy" (profile pic gives me away), that does not mean I feel civility should not be maintained. I look forward to challenging reviews with constructive and respectable criticism.

Jul 16 - 03:14 PM

Jermain Jackson

Jermain Jackson

Unfortunately not every acts as Mature as you do. Majority of the people who have a problem with negative reviews don't act mature at all. What Idon't understand is if people are bothered so much by negative reviews, why do they bother clicking on the links and reading the reviews. Wouldn't it be smart to avoid the stress?

Jul 18 - 08:30 AM

filmman74

Mike Fraser

Very well put. This site is supposed to be a fun place not a place for hatred. I someone has a difference of opinion so be it, that's their opinion, but when the reactions that come through because of said opinion are attacks and threats then things like this need to be done.

Jul 16 - 03:18 PM

Alyne Connie

Alyne Connie

Good post.
It's in the nature of internet fandom and anonymity for people to to throw around casual hate speech over things that don't deserve it.
It's disappointing, but expected.
However, as someone else said, if your policing comments right now, you should check out the female AP critics review, because there's some pretty mean stuff in that thread.

Jul 16 - 03:22 PM

General Wiz

Carlos Flores

I'm definitely glad something is being done about this now. That being said, I'm not a fan of the Facebook commenting thing. While I see the upside to it, I think it could also backfire. Hopefully RT can find another solution.

Jul 16 - 03:25 PM

Narcisse Lefebvre

Narcisse Lefebvre

There's a third rotten review that hasn't been submitted yet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-2174366/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-film-review.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Jul 16 - 03:25 PM

Floor Man

Floor Man

Excellent post, thanks, Matchity. (Although, I grossly oppose Facebook integration, for different reasons than you brought up.)

Jul 16 - 03:25 PM

Brad H.

Brad Hadfield

Agree. I detest Facebook for many reasons, and do not participate on sites that require me to have a Facebook account.

Also, I understand its easy to create a bogus account with a phony name (which I also won't do), so I fail to see how that will solve for the problem of anonymity.

Jul 17 - 06:06 AM

MisterVile

Mister Vile

I agree that Facebook is not the answer. As much as i like talking to you people, i'd prefer if you didn't know my name and what i looked like. I'll still not post like a tool

Jul 19 - 05:02 AM

obiwen

Wendy Weber

I was called a "weaping vagina" on this site by someone who disagreed with my opinion. The abuse that commenters throw at critics here is way worse than what you seem to realize. All that Mr. Snider was trying to say in his column was "take a breath" based on the fact that Mr. Fine had received death threats for not liking a movie. I think you are going after the wrong guy here.

Jul 16 - 03:26 PM

Bushleaguer28

Brian Priestley

COMPLETELY agree. Snider's actions should be eye-opening, not worthy of condemnation. That being said, if he made a habit out of it, that'd be one thing. But he openly called out the entire Rotten Tomatoes commenting system, and he gets punished, when the source of the problem goes largely unregulated.

Jul 16 - 04:21 PM

RT-Matchity

Matt Atchity

Actually, he *had* made a habit out of this. He did the same thing when The Dark Knight came out.

Jul 17 - 06:40 AM

Jacob Parker

Jacob Parker

Yep, doing something one other time four years ago equals a habit.
Also, dragging up a nine year old incident is pretty low. Heaven forbid people be allowed to learn from their mistakes and have them stay in the past. The fact that this current "error of judgement" is no where near as severe as what he did back in 2003 makes what you did even worse. They don't compare. One was a breach of journalistic integrity; this was a practical joke.
What cracks me up is the fact that you suddenly take your website seriously. This comments thing has been a problem for years, and Snider has been a very vocal critic of it. You kept Armond White in the Tomatometer for years, and I suspect it's because of the traffic it drove to your site thanks to commentors just itching to bad-mouth him. You turned the other cheek, and for YEARS, ugly nasty things have been said towards critics with very little being done. Until someone made you look like a fool (again), by gaming your system with a fake review (again, with pretty much the same blurb). I can almost guarantee had Snider written a fake positive review, you wouldn't have minded. You wouldn't have batted an eyelash. But he made you look stupid. Satire is officially dead.
Here's what you ACTUALLY need to do: Kill the comments system. Have some guts of your own to assume people will come to your site no matter if they have the ability to piss all over a critic for having a difference of opinion. Why? Because that's how this site worked for years, and it worked just fine.
Also, this "We demand to be taken seriously!" and then asking people to not be "dicks" is just about the most opposite path to being taken seriously I have ever seen.

Jul 17 - 08:11 AM

Roxy Argyle

Roxy Argyle

I agree, let the guy back in with a warning that if he ever does something like this again he's gone. Banning him from RT could destroy his career, have some heart. movies aren't supposed to be so political.

Jul 17 - 12:59 PM

MisterVile

Mister Vile

Jacob P has the right side of this in my opinion.

Jul 19 - 05:06 AM

Zachary T

Zachary Thomas

That's an interesting idea; I had never thought of Snider's post as a form of satire against the commenter-trolls, but now I get it.

Still, I can't say RT did the wrong thing; Snider's job is not to go after people on RT, it's to review films for Film.com, and RT operates under that assumption. RT doesn't work if people post fake reviews(and say he's going to post a "real review" later).

It's clear, nonetheless, the way comments work might need a change. I think we all just got used to operating under the assumption, "O.K., there are stupid people here, but I'll just ignore them as I had in the years before and just continue on in my life."

Jul 18 - 02:34 PM

Ryan Do-well

Ryan Do-well

Some men...just want to watch the world burn...

haha Well said Matt!

Jul 16 - 03:26 PM

Alex Morrise

Alex Morrise

Eric is the reviewer Rotten Tomatoes deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ban him. Because he can take it. (There. Now the obligatory TDK reference is out of the way.)

Jul 16 - 03:27 PM

McLovin

Johnathan Kirk

Stealing other people's references...

wow...

Jul 16 - 03:30 PM

Alex Morrise

Alex Morrise

My apologies for beating a long-dead horse.

Jul 16 - 03:33 PM

Superzone

Link O'Fett

lol

Jul 16 - 03:40 PM

Bryan Torres

Bryan Torres

nice

Jul 16 - 03:50 PM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

lol love it

Jul 16 - 05:02 PM

Rodrigo Cardenas

Rodrigo Cardenas

Very well said especially the .dnt be a dick. Part but aside that the reason so many ppl were/still are attacking Fine's review is not only bcuz it was a negative review but bcuz he compared it to Transformers bcuz it had too much action wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really??!!!! He had the balls to compare a shit (if you can call him a) filmamker Michael Bay to the brilliant master that is Christopher Nolan

Jul 16 - 03:27 PM

Trolloc

Mr. Trolloc

I agree with everything but linking to Facebook. Some of us don't like the world to know our perspectives on religion/politics that we post on a message board.

Also, could you please advetise your forums on the main page...it is getting lonely there.

Jul 16 - 03:28 PM

Nathan Frederick

Nathan Frederick

Then don't post them. If you're going to post provocative opinions, you should be able to own them.

Jul 16 - 04:01 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

But Facebook is too centralized. Postings among a film community shouldn't have to be scrutinized by family or employers.

Jul 16 - 04:04 PM

Trolloc

Mr. Trolloc

We're in a time when employers are snooping on peoples face books or asking for their passwords. I don't want to be penalized for something I wrote ten years ago taken out of context or a catholic employer offended by my atheism. There should be a certain respect for privacy. It has nothing to do about owning beliefs. With friends and some family I am always 100% honet. That being said, I respect not to debate religion with my grandparents or those who lost a child and I prefer them not reading words I wrote saying heaven is a fairy tale. I assume the next point you will bring up is...then don't type them online. Well unlike many, I don't have too many people with similar beliefs around me. Sometimes forums are only places that allow me to discuss topics freely without repercussions (not talking about being a dick or trolling). Ergo, I am against linking any account to a Facebook page. Moderation and bannings keep trolls/racists/homophobes away.

Jul 16 - 04:15 PM

Matthew Massie

Matthew Massie

Well said

Jul 17 - 08:05 AM

Nathan Frederick

Nathan Frederick

How about this compromise: You can post anonymously, but you must enter your e-mail address every time you post. That way you do have accountability, but it's not completely public.

Jul 17 - 12:24 PM

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