The way to make even more boatloads of money than you need isn't to keep splitting books into two movies. The trick is to STOP GREENLIGHTING SO MUCH CRAP!
Sincerely, The World
Jul 10 - 05:00 PM
That's not as easy as it seems. Sure there are some ideas that seem terrible from the start (Battleship for example), but a lot of times what looks good on paper doesn't wind up translating to box office success.
I mean when you think about it, on paper what did Avatar have that John Carter didn't? How could The Rocketeer not kick off a franchise? The director of Die Hard teaming up with the biggest action star at the time to make The Last Action Hero? Pure gold. Superman, arguably the most famous superhero of all time, getting a film from the director creditted with reviving the superhero genre with X-men? How could that not be a huge success?
On the other hand, there are films that everyone thought the studios were stupid for greenlighting them, only for them to turn out to be massive successes. What was Disney thinking, greenlighting a big budget adaptation of an amusement park, and a pirate one at that? Had they forgotten the bomb that was Cutthroat Island? Titanic was dubbed as a bigger disaster than the actual sinking of the ship by the media before release. Passion of the Christ seemed to confirm everyone's suspicion the Mel Gibson had officially gone cuckoo. Fox gave all of the Star Wars mechandising rights to George Lucas just so they could cut the losses of what was sure to be a box office bomb. Inception felt like something Warner Bros. mainly greenlight just so Nolan could return to do The Dark Knight Rises. I mean a big budget mind bender that even the cast and crew had diffculty during interviews explaining what it was about from a guy who only had blockbuster success when he was doing Batman? Not exactly something that screams big bucks.
Jul 10 - 10:43 PM
Well said, King. The Rotten Tomato forum "experts" certainly don't know any better than Hollywood. It's all a high-money-stakes gamble. You roll the dice with, say, 10 movies, and hope that a couple of em recoup the lot.
Jul 11 - 05:42 AM
What did Avatar have that John Carter didn't?
James Cameron. He was the star of Avatar.
How could The Rocketeer not kick off a franchise?
The trailers were cheesy as hell and no one outside of the comic book world had ever heard of it.
The director of Die Hard teaming up with the biggest action star at the time to make The Last Action Hero?
The director of Die Hard and the biggest action star pussing out simultaneously with a PG-13 cheese-fest co-starring a kid.
Superman, How could that not be a huge success?
Reboots weren't the rage yet, and the studio was impatient. It grossed $210m while Batman Begins grossed less, with $205m. Look what happened when they gave THAT franchise a chance. A Supes sequel could've been huge.
Jul 11 - 06:21 AM
Not great news from my perspective as Mockingjay is my least favorite of the books.
Jul 10 - 06:02 PM
Squeeze em for every dime hollywood. Greed is the shit.
Jul 10 - 06:11 PM
This is one of those books that, just like Breaking Dawn, does not need to pe in two parts. I thought it was not a horrible choice for Harry Potter, but even some say that was too much. Truly epic works like The Illiad and Watchmen did not get two movies, so these sure as hell shouldn't.
Jul 10 - 08:47 PM
Sadly, it's not a question of whether or not an adaptation needs two movies, but whether it would be proffitable. Mockingjay and Breaking Dawn are assured money makers, and in that case the studio is more than willing to break them into two movies. On the other hand, the studio certainly wasn't going to commit to a mutli picture adaptation of Watchmen when they weren't even sure whether it would make a profit or not.
Jul 10 - 10:12 PM
Catching Fire with all the inner monologue and foot dragging could easily be made into a 80 minute film. I mean, wow there are literally chapters of her just sitting around and thinking. That book is going to translate horrible to film UNLESS they change a few things. I"m welcome to all changes in the Hunger Games series.
Jul 10 - 11:59 PM
It's funny. Hardly a decade or so ago, a series would be lucky if every book would get it's own movie. Peter Jackson had to go through hell to get the studio to agree to greenlight a three movie adaptation for Lord of the Rings (the studio thought that two movies would be more than enough for the series) and the first Harry Potter movie was initially planned to cover the first two books, back when Steven Spielberg was on board. Now practically every book adaptation franchise is getting the last book split into two movies.
Admittedly, this is better than combining two books into one movie. However, while I thought the decision to split Deathly Hallows into two movies was a good one (even if it was done for money purposes), I'm not so sure about Breaking Dawn, Mockingjay or even The Hobbit (the novel runs at just under 300 pages. Even if Tolkien had decided to cover the adventures of Gandalf when he left Bilbo and the dwarfs, I still doubt it would have wound up as long as say Fellowship of the Ring).
Jul 10 - 10:05 PM
Good point again, King. Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter (and others? The Matrix sequels? Pirates? The forthcoming Hobbit and Avatar movies?) have redefined the Hollywood Epic, filming multiple movies at the same time. Saves more money, and makes more money, and gives story breathing room. I wonder if both hobbit movies will be 3 hours each, like each LotR movies, or 3 hours total...
Jul 11 - 05:52 AM
Funny how it's always the last film that gets split in two parts. I'd say order of the phoenix could have easily been made in two , as the book was massive. Maybe even Goblet of Fire. Say whatever you want but Harry Potter at least had the source material enough to be adapted in two films. In case of the Hunger Games it's totally unnecessary. Also I'm not sure about the Hobbit but do have my fingers crossed that Jackson won't disappoint. I don't care about HG to be honest.
Jul 11 - 01:14 AM
In Peter I Trust.
Jul 11 - 05:53 AM
Next they'll start re-releasing movies once viewed in a single sitting in two parts, with deleted scenes and extras to fill the time.
The Titanic Saga, Part 1: King of the World
The Titanic Saga, Part 2: Iceberg, Straight Ahead!
The Star Wars Saga: Return of the Jedi, Part 1: Someone Who Loves You
The Star Wars Saga: Return of the Jedi, Part 2: Yub Nub
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