Weekly Ketchup: R.I.P. Director Tony Scott

Plus, new roles for Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Jim Carrey, and James Franco.

This Week's Ketchup covers movie development news stories about potential roles for James Franco, Brad Pitt and Denzel Washington, the superhero sequels Kick-Ass 2: Balls to the Wall and Thor: The Dark World, remakes of The Rocketeer, Videodrome and the Jack Ryan franchise, as well as a reflection on the impact following the death of one of Hollywood's most successful directors.


This Week's Top Story

R.I.P. DIRECTOR TONY SCOTT, 1944-2012

On Sunday, August 19th, director Tony Scott (and brother of Ridley Scott), committed suicide by jumping off the Vincent Thomas Bridge in the San Pedro port district of Los Angeles. Scott left behind over 15 major Hollywood productions which included Top Gun, True Romance, Enemy of the State, and four films with Denzel Washington (Man on Fire, Deja Vu, The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3, and Unstoppable). Like many of Hollywood's top directors, Scott always had a full slate of films in development for the future, and his death leaves most of them in an unknown state, as Scott's industry friends are still reeling in shock. The highest profile of those planned projects is the Top Gun sequel that Scott and Tom Cruise were scouting locations for as recently as two days before his death. Scott's development slate also included two remakes: one of Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch, and one of Walter Hill's The Warriors. In 2009, Tony Scott spoke to Rotten Tomatoes exclusively about his plans for the remake of The Warriors, which included a massive gang ensemble crowd scene to be filmed on the very bridge from which Scott took his own life. Other projects that he was attached to included the military crime thriller Narco Sub (which is about exactly what it sounds like), a Mickey Rourke mob thriller called Potsdamer Platz, and a Vince Vaughn film called Lucky Strike set in the world of "jet repossession." This column is normally dedicated to covering the movies that will be in your theater in the near future, but this week, our headline is dedicated to the loss felt by Scott's friends and families, and the films we will never see.

Fresh Developments This Week

#1 BRAD PITT AND DENZEL WASHINGTON MAY HEAD DOWN TO THE CANDY STORE

Writer/director Stephen Gaghan hasn't directed a movie since Syriana in 2005, but despite the delay, his return is attracting some major A list star attention. Candy Store is described as a crime thriller about a Brooklyn beat cop who discovers that a global criminal organization is operating right in his neighborhood. Brad Pitt is currently the top choice, and is in negotiations, to play the cop, with the other major role being discussed with Denzel Washington. Christoph Waltz is also in talks with Lionsgate for a supporting role. If the deal can't be worked out with Brad Pitt, other possibilities include Ben Affleck, Christian Bale, Bradley Cooper, and Matt Damon. If Denzel Washington drops out, Jamie Foxx has also been mentioned as a possibility for that role. Stephen Gaghan also won an Academy Award for adapting the screenplay for Traffic.


#2 SOON, FEMALE ACTION STARS WILL BE DOING IT FOR THEMSELVES... IN A FEMALE VERSION OF THE EXPENDABLES

With The Expendables 2 in theaters this past weekend, that movie is obviously going to be getting a lot of press in this late-August, nothing-much-else-going-on, dog-days-of-Summer period. Enter independent action producer Adi Shankar (The Grey, Dredd 3D, Killing Them Softly), who has announced that he has his own trick casting project in development. Although his film would have no official ties to The Expendables, basically what Adi Shankar is working on is a female version of The Expendables. This has led to movie bloggers and columnists all around the Internet to start compiling their dream casting lists, which usually start with Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton, move on to Angelina Jolie, Milla Jovovich, and Kate Beckinsale, and sometimes name check the likes of Gina Carano, Lynn Collins, or Michelle Rodriguez. Of course, this would be a very good place to note that Adi Shankar's announcement didn't mention any actress, specifically, so we don't actually know for sure who may or may not end up signing up for this movie. In other news, Adi Shankar's company (which is called 1984 Private Defense Contractors... really), also made the news this week by starting development on an action movie based on the 1990s Rob Liefeld comic book series Bloodstrike. Basically, all that one needs to know about Bloodstrike is that they were super powered government assassins who were brought back from the dead, and two of their members looked a lot like Deadpool and Wolverine.


#3 KURSE IN THOR: THE DARK WORLD WON'T MISTAKE COINCIDENCE FOR FATE

A while back, Christopher Eccleston was cast as Malekith the Accursed, leader of the Dark Elves of Svartalfheim, in Thor: The Dark World. Just as Loki wasn't the only villain in the first Thor, Malekith is going to have company in this sequel as well. Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who fans of TV shows with very short titles know as both Adebisi (OZ) and Mr. Eko (LOST), has been cast as the Dark Elf warrior Algrim the Strong, AKA Kurse. Eccleston and AAA will be joined by several returning cast members from the first film, which this week we learned will include Kat Dennings as Jane Foster's friend Darcy Lewis. Marvel Studios has scheduled Thor: The Dark World for release on November 8th, 2013.



#4 THE TOM CLANCY REBOOTS MAY BE A REUNION OF THE STARS OF... THIS MEANS WAR?

Although the film earned a worldwide box office take of $155 million, the 2012 spy-romance-action film This Means War is generally seen as at least a critical flop (25% on the RT Tomatometer). One might think that would be bad news for that film's male leads, until one remembers that Chris Pine is still the new Captain Kirk, and Tom Hardy had a little movie this summer where he traipsed around with a metal octopus thing over his mouth. Paramount Pictures has had Chris Pine attached to star in their reboot of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan character for a while now. This week, it was revealed that for the character of Navy SEAL-turned-CIA-operative John Clark, who will get his own spin off in Without Remorse, Paramount is looking to cast Pine's This Means War costar, the aforementioned Tom Hardy. Kevin Costner has also been confirmed as accepting an offer to star in both films as the CIA liason for both Jack Ryan and John Clark. The premise of Tom Clancy's original Without Remorse novel is definitively set during the Vietnam War, which will probably be updated to some place like Afghanistan. The Jack Ryan reboot film is currently scheduled by Paramount Pictures for late 2013, with Without Remorse probably to be expected later on in 2014 or 2015.


#5 JIM CARREY MIGHT LEAD JUSTICE FOREVER IN KICK-ASS 2: BALLS TO THE WALL

Back in 2010, during Conan O'Brien's "The Legally Prohibited From Being Funny on Television Tour," Jim Carrey joined O'Brien on stage for a musical number wearing a green-and-yellow-striped Kick-Ass costume. Now, Universal Pictures is apparently attempting to take advantage of Carrey's status as a Kick-Ass fanboy by starting negotiations for Carrey to actually costar in the sequel, now known as Kick-Ass 2: Balls to the Wall. If the deal goes through, Jim Carrey would play an ex-mafia member called Colonel Stars, who with his brother Lieutenant Stripes forms a superhero group called Justice Forever, who find themselves countered by a team of villains led by the villain from the first film. All of this is based on Mark Millar's second Kick-Ass mini-series, and Millar is already working on Kick-Ass 3 (the comic book). In addition to returning cast members Aaron Johnson, Christopher Mintz-Plasse, and Chloe Moretz, the sequel's new cast includes Morris Chestnut, Donald Faison, and John Leguizamo. Universal Pictures has already scheduled Kick-Ass 2: Balls to the Wall for June 28, 2013.


#6 THIS WEEK IN JAMES FRANCO NEWS: AS I LAY DYING, HOMEFRONT, THIRD PERSON

Some weeks, you have to figure that an actor tries to get a bulk discount with their publicist by having them announce multiple movies simultaneously. The winner of this week's Publicist Blue Plate Special is one James Edward Franco. First up, let's discuss Franco's directorial debut with As I Lay Dying, based on the novel by William Faulkner, about a family fulfilling a dying woman's last wish to be buried in her Mississippi hometown. Like the novel, Franco's film will be an ensemble affair, telling the story from twelve different perspectives, and this week, we learned that the cast will include Danny McBride, Tim Blake Nelson, Logan Marshall Green, Ahna O'Reilly, Jim Parrack, and James Franco, himself. Filming is scheduled to start in Mississippi in October. Next up on the James Franco Express is an action movie called Homefront, which will be directed by Gary Fleder (Runaway Jury, Don't Say a Word) from a script by Sylvester Stallone. Jason Statham will play an ex-DEA agent who moves to a small town hoping to find some peace and quiet, but instead he gets into trouble with the local meth kingpin named Gator and his biker chick girlfriend, played by James Franco and Winona Ryder, respectively. Finally, there is Third Person, from writer/director Paul Haggis (Crash, In the Valley of Elah), which tells the story of three different love stories in three different cities (New York, Paris, and Rome). Liam Neeson and Olivia Wilde were already cast in Third Person, but this week, Mila Kunis also signed on, and James Franco and Casey Affleck are also in talks for roles. There's no word yet as to whether Franco might also take roles in Candy Store, Bloodstrike, Thor: The Dark World, Without Remorse, Kick-Ass 2: Balls to the Wall, Maleficent, or the remakes of The Rocketeer and Videodrome.

Rotten Ideas of the Week

#3 ANGELINA JOLIE'S CLEOPATRA LOSES A DIRECTOR, AND MALEFICENT GAINS A DAUGHTER (SORT OF)

This week saw Angelina Jolie's name mentioned in two very different stories, although the characters at the heart of both films arguably have some things in common. First up (and the reason this story is a "Rotten Idea") is the news that director David Fincher (The Social Network, Fight Club) has dropped out of Sony Pictures' planned Cleopatra biopic, based on the book by Stacy Schiff. The "only so-so" box office results of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo are reportedly being at least partly blamed for the cooling off between David Fincher and Sony Pictures. It's worth noting, however, that Fincher is hardly to blame for that film not setting the world on fire. The fact that its release came so recently after the (quite excellent) Swedish film starring Noomi Rapace has to bear some brunt of the responsibility (especially globally). Sony Pictures hasn't given up on the Cleopatra biopic, however, and is considering other directors, including Ang Lee (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon), whose The Life of Pi has a really fantastic trailer in theaters right now. In other news, a young four-year-old actress named Vivienne Jolie-Pitt has been cast as the young Princess Aurora in the Disney 3D film Maleficent, which is a live action adaptation of Disney's Sleeping Beauty. Elle Fanning plays the older Princess Aurora, and Jolie-Pitt's mom (not at all coincidentally) plays the title character. Maleficent is currently in production and scheduled for release on March 14, 2014.


#2 DISNEY MAY RELAUNCH THE ROCKETEER

The 1991 live action adaptation of the graphic novel The Rocketeer is arguably the rare film that is both a throwback to an earlier time, distinctly of its own time, and also ahead of its time. The reasons The Rocketeer pulled off those distinctions is that it was a "retro action film" set in the 1930s (ala Raiders of the Lost Ark), but as a superhero movie, it arguably was made a decade too soon. Well, there's now new management at Walt Disney Pictures, and reportedly the studio is looking to revive and remake The Rocketeer. As of yet, there are no creative people attached to the project, but Disney is starting to take meetings with writers. And now, some more back story: The Rocketeer got its start in the 1980s in independent comic books, created by the late Dave Stevens. The premise of The Rocketeer was intended as an homage to old serial heroes (Flash Gordon, King of the Rocket Men, etc), and it's pretty simple: a pilot in 1930s Los Angeles finds a jet pack designed by Howard Hughes, and uses it to fly around and fight bad guys, save the girl, etc. The 1991 movie was directed by Joe Johnston, who would go on to direct another nostalgic superhero movie, Captain America: The First Avenger. The film was perceived as a box office flop at the time, but it retains a "Fresh" Tomatometer score (61%), and has, over the last 20 years, developed a loyal fanbase. The idea of remaking The Rocketeer still, however, seems like something of a cash grab, and that's why it's one of the week's Rotten Ideas.


#1 THE VIDEODROME REMAKE SUGGESTS THAT SOMEONE AT UNIVERSAL DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE VIDEODROME

Back in 2009, the Weekly Ketchup covered news of Universal starting development on a remake of David Cronenberg's graphic and freaky Videodrome. For a while, it had seemed like Universal had wised up and long since ditched those plans, but this week proved that not to be the case. Universal Pictures is now in talks with commercials director Adam Berg for him to make his feature debut on a remake of Videodrome. This Videodrome remake was written by Ehren Kruger, writer of such films as Scream 3 and Transformers: Dark of the Moon, who is also producing the remake. James Woods starred in the original Videodrome as the head of a sleazy cable channel always on the lookout for sexy and violent material, whose interest in a satellite feed of torture called Videodrome leads him into an experience where reality and fantasy cross. If you've ever seen images of James Woods holding a "flesh gun", or with a huge gaping hole in his abdomen, that was Videodrome. Now, Universal wants to take what was an essentially small story of a man going insane and "blow it up into a large-scale sci-fi action thriller" and "infuse it with the possibilities of nano-technology." It was a crazy idea in 2009 (when this writer wrote much of the previous text, by the way), and it's still one today, and that's why it's the week's Most Rotten Idea.

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Comments

Ustpatrick

bobby uptain

I dont see how an all female expendables is fresh its pretty freakin rotten to me, especially how "strong women" are portrayed on hollywood now days. an over objectified female is not strong she is just eye candy there is no way around that.

Aug 24 - 05:11 PM

Stepping Razor

Stepping Razor

On this site, whenever I see a ridiculous-sounding idea being touted as a fresh one, the first thing I do is check to see if it's a Warner Bros. product. Much of the time, it is a WB product, and another example of the parent company exploiting this site and its readers in order to promote its own products. But when it's not, I can't help but wonder if there was some other money input coming from another company. If it's not that, I truly do have to wonder if the columnist actually believes what he's writing. A female Expendables will probably make the Supergirl movie look outstanding.

Aug 25 - 09:27 AM

greg_dean_schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

The conspiracy theories are completely and 100% wrong, but they almost flatter me, to be honest. I write this column in my home in Middleton, WI. I haven't been to Los Angeles or a movie studio since 2004. I pick out the 10 stories each week independently. I then rate them as Fresh or Rotten based on a number of factors, but pre-existing Tomatometer RT ratings are the biggest. What stories will be covered, and whether they should be Fresh or Rotten, is pretty much never discussed beforehand. The closest thing is a few times a year, when a big news story breaks on a Friday afternoon, I might get an e-mail asking if I knew about it. That's it. I hope that answers some questions. Thanks for reading and commenting on my columns each week. They are often a blast to write. - GDS

Aug 25 - 10:03 AM

Ustpatrick

bobby uptain

What the repercussions be if you didnt obey the overlords who tell you what to write? Conspiracy theories are right. if you dont do what they say you face penalties. of course you are gonna deny that you are told what to write. Its all secret and anyone who spills the beans either disappears or gets discredited immediately.

Aug 25 - 01:51 PM

King  S.

King Simba

And yet that didn't stop them from putting Akira as the #1 rotten news week after week after week (only time it got listed fresh was when the original directors left and the project stalled), or when they listed the most rotten developments of each month of 2011, Warner Bros. got the biggest number.

As for the Expendables female spin off being fresh I would assume it has to do with Expendables 2 earning generally positive reviews.

Aug 25 - 11:10 PM

Sean Dance

Sean Dance

Any female action all star movie without Uma Thurman isn't going to work.

Aug 25 - 05:46 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

RIP Tony Scott

"Syriana" was one of my favorite films from the last decade, so I'm especially excited to see Gaghan back at work, and the cast looks great.

I'm actually a little surprised how long it's been since we've had a Franco avalanche of new projects announced. Is he still planning on adapting McCarthy's "Blood Meridian"? I'm intrigued on his taking on Faulkner, but I have a hard time getting past the thought of McBride in a serious role. Nothing's impossible, but still. The other two projects just don't look interesting at all.

I'm assuming Fincher actually read the Schiff book and realized what he was getting into.

The "Rocketeer" shouldn't be rotten. Yet. I'll wait to see who's writing it. Don't underestimate the power of a good script. To wit - let's gaze upon the decrepit corpus of the career of Ehren Kruger. Like Freddy, he forever haunts Hollywood's dreams. Without getting into spoilers (because the original SHOULD be seen by those who haven't), I can't imagine how exactly they'll be able to adapt it into the digital age. And when I see "large-scale sci-fi action thriller", I think of the latest lameness that was "Total Recall".

Aug 24 - 05:42 PM

Sean D.

Sean D

I am shocked that someone is remaking Videodrome. Nothing is sacred anymore.

Aug 25 - 03:31 AM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

no, nothing is sacred anymore. I guess they want to make Videodrome more like the book; of course there is no book; it reminds me of the people behind Total Recall saying they wanted it to resemble the book more even though "We'll Remember it For You Wholesale" is a short-story." My cousin's a Hollywood Executive--even though he's a Magna Cum Laude from HARVARD, he still makes very uninformed decisions (3 Shows cancelled mid season . . . a Harvard Education doesn't mean anything -- Hollywood executives must take Stupid-Pills as evidenced by the stuff we're seeing on screen.

Aug 27 - 11:56 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

Stupid pills = cocaine. (So, which show was that again?)

Aug 27 - 12:57 PM

greg_dean_schmitz

Greg Dean Schmitz

Based on a quote from David Fincher that I believe is quoted in the linked article, it sounds like maybe they had one meeting last year when he was first announced, and he really hadn't given the Cleopatra project much focus ever since. His remake of Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is probably a higher and more demanding priority.

I'm expecting Fincher to give us a 4 minute CGI-enhanced long/tracking shot that takes us through a seabed tunnel, up through one of the bubble windows, down the length of the submarine's lower deck, then up a ladder, then back down the whole ship on the upper deck, and then weave through the main characters while they're in the middle of a concurrent conversation we've been listening to the whole time.

Aug 25 - 10:17 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

"20,000 Leagues" is one of my long time favorite books, so this definitely sounds like a much better project and would definitely be the more exciting news when it gets the "go". For the record, I just didn't like Schiff's book, and I usually will take the opportunity to tease it.

Aug 26 - 07:07 PM

Gordon Franklin Terry Sr

Gordon Terry

What translation did you read . . . the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea I read (a 1967 translation) was sooooo dry--very boring.

Aug 27 - 11:49 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

You got me on that. It was the unabridged version from the 80s. Second book (without pictures) that I ever read. Well, maybe the third if I counted the "Clash of the Titans" novelization, which I wouldn't. And "Choose Your Own Adventures" don't count either. But anyway, it was a chore but I loved it. Learn to love the details. Welles and Verne were my literary foundation.

Aug 27 - 01:00 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

00 - As I wrote earlier, it's really not any place for anyone to judge what he did. If he thought it was the right way out, then all the more power to him. We all die and vanish from existence, he just accelerated the process a little bit.

01 - Sounds good. Syriana was awesome, and the prospect of seeing a great film with Denzel, Pitt and Waltz is enticing.

02 - Yeah, this is a fucking horrible idea. Seriously, this will bomb so hard that the aftershocks will reverberate throughout film history for eons to come.

03 - I didn't understand anything that was written in that passage. Some character was cast in Thor 2. Cool. Hopefully it's better than the first one (which was mediocre at best).

04 - I actually enjoy Clancy books (even though Russians are almost always the bad guys). I read everything up to and including Teeth of the Tiger (which sucked and started a new era in the universe), and WR was a cool little side-step down memory lane. Hopefully this will be better than This Means War (not that I watched it).

05 - Yeah, that would be cool. I gotta say I find the actual comic far inferior to the movie. Haven't read 2 yet, and honestly I'd rather just watch the sequel. The lack of Vaughn is concerning, but here's hoping for the best.

06 - I'm a Statham fan, so Homefront sounds promising, but as for Franco - fuck him. Terrible actor.

07 - Really don't like her. She creeps me the hell out. Good that Fincher won't be wasting his time on her, can't wait to see what he decides to do next (hopefully not Millennium #2).

08 - Never saw, don't want to, couldn't care less. Next!

09 - Wow. This actually saddens me. *Snicker* yeah, let's get first-time director (who won't have any say on the project) and the dude that wrote 2 absolutely shitty movies, and have them remake one of the best exercises in body horror ever committed to film. Not only that, but hey! let's make it an action movie, too, cos at this point, who really gives a fuck?

Aug 24 - 05:48 PM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

2 absolutely shitty movies? I guess you haven't actually looked at Kruger's page. Tip of the shitberg, my friend.

Aug 24 - 06:18 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

My Odin, you're right. His credits are so terrible as to make me suspect that Ehren Kruger is actually a secret Alan Smithee-like pseudo-name for screenwriters.

Aug 24 - 06:45 PM

George Patchell

George Patchell

Chimps are Apes not Monkeys... I know this is probably of no interest but anyway...

Aug 25 - 04:24 AM

sundancekid77

Ricky Mainville

franco's a terrible actor!

Aug 24 - 09:46 PM

Bye bye

Steven Bailey

Franco a terrible actor? I'm sorry, have you seen his good films or is this based on the slew of crap he keeps involving himself in?

He needs to get better at picking worthy projects and stop working with hacks like David Gordon Greene (who used to not be a hack). When he does movies like 127 Hours and Milk which actually involve trustworthy directors, his talent shines.

Aug 24 - 10:19 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Right, as seen by his phenomenal performance in Planet of the Apes, which was a fantastic movie. C'mon, dude got out-acted by a CGI monkey. The vast majority of his performances suck, therefore, one can reach the conclusion that a good performance from him is the result of a happy accident.

Aug 24 - 10:50 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Given that people were lobying for Andy Serkis to get an oscar nomination, saying that Franco was outshone by him is hardly an insult. You could say that about every actor in the film.

Besides, since when is being CGI a bad thing? Haven't both Andy Serkis and Pixar proven that CGI characters can be even more expressive than live action characters?

Aug 25 - 03:07 AM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

No matter how many pixels and polygons you cram into a CGI character, a real human being will always have the potential to be more dynamic and expressive simply due to the lack of any programming/scripts that invariably limit, to some extent, what said CGI character can do.

Think about it: Serkis got praised because Caesar behaved like a monkey in a realistic enough way. The whole thing could have been negated if you found a real monkey that could understand enough to do all those things. Granted, he gave a great performance for mocap and deserved to be nominated, but still. A real human performer should not have a problem out-acting a digital character. Franco's father in the movie, for example, did not get outshone by Caesar, but Franco did. Because he's a terrible actor who looks like he's baked out of his mind all the time. I can only think of 2 performers less expressive: the Twilight duo.

Aug 25 - 12:39 PM

Kevin Nye

Kevin Nye

127 hours. Enough said. And Watcher, it won't let me reply to your comment about Planet of the Apes, but he was not "outacted by a CGI monkey". He was outacted by Andy Serkis using the same motion-capture technology as Avatar, who submitted the performance of a lifetime worthy of an Academy Award (did he win? I can't remember). If you haven't seen it, check out the behind the scenes stuff of Serkis playing the monkey with the motion capture technology. It's absolutely unreal. Franco got out-acted for sure, but that's like saying Bale got outacted by Ledger in TDK.

Aug 25 - 04:29 PM

Kevin Nye

Kevin Nye

Franco a terrible actor? On what grounds, sir? He should probably choose scripts better, but 127 Hours (and a hilarious turn in Pineapple Express) solidify him as a fine actor, I believe.

Aug 25 - 04:25 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Even though the Pineapple Express role is debatable (I didn't like it), yes, 127 hrs was good. Now let me list the movies where he sucked... Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, Your Highness, Planet of the Apes, Howl, Shadow and Lies, Finishing the Game. That's in the last 5 years. OK, I guess Milk makes it 2 good performances in 5 years.

With those odds, I wouldn't even leave the house for fear of getting struck by a meteor.

Aug 26 - 12:15 AM

Christopher Kulik

Christopher Kulik

What about his turn as James Dean? He exceeded my expectations there!

Aug 26 - 03:11 AM

Janson Jinnistan

Janson Jinnistan

2 absolutely shitty movies? I guess you haven't actually looked at Kruger's page. Tip of the shitberg, my friend.

Aug 24 - 06:18 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

My Odin, you're right. His credits are so terrible as to make me suspect that Ehren Kruger is actually a secret Alan Smithee-like pseudo-name for screenwriters.

Aug 24 - 06:45 PM

George Patchell

George Patchell

Chimps are Apes not Monkeys... I know this is probably of no interest but anyway...

Aug 25 - 04:24 AM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

My Odin, you're right. His credits are so terrible as to make me suspect that Ehren Kruger is actually a secret Alan Smithee-like pseudo-name for screenwriters.

Aug 24 - 06:45 PM

George Patchell

George Patchell

Chimps are Apes not Monkeys... I know this is probably of no interest but anyway...

Aug 25 - 04:24 AM

Anthony Stokes

Anthony Stokes

Yeah a female expendables would be trash, espicaly since the female action stars of today are in terrible movies, same can be said of the male expendables

Aug 24 - 07:06 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Top:

Sad, but nothing that matters much to me.

Fresh:

1. Yawnville

2. Seems interesting. Dream list for this idea: Sigourney Weaver, Mila Jovovich, Angelina Jolie, Anne Hathaway, Michelle Rodriguez, Zoe Saldana, Kate Beckingsale.

3. Looking forward to this.

4. More Yawnville

5. Love Carrey, so this is something I really want to see!

6. Still more Yawnville

Rotten:

3. This sucks, I was looking forward to seeing a well-directed Cleopatra film. But anyways, Ang Lee could do a good job if he gets the project, because I have yet to see him make a bad movie. And Maleficent is the most interesting idea in the past who knows how many weeks.

2. Disney, stop with this idea, & work on 2D movies (the only animation I support next to stop-motion).

1. Still more fucking Yawnville.

Aug 24 - 07:22 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

3. Hulk, Taking Woodstock, Ride with the Devil are all pretty bad...

Aug 24 - 10:52 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Hulk wasn't a bad movie, I don't know what you're talking about.

Aug 24 - 11:38 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Hulk not smashing is entertaining for you? Ang Lee made a melodramatic existential drama out of what was supposed to be a fun superhero flick. He fucked up the character so hard that it took Mark Ruffalo in Avengers (9 years later) for people to get excited for him again. For perspective, it only took Batman 8 years to rebound from Schumacher's assault.

Aug 25 - 02:42 AM

King  S.

King Simba

Yeah, but the Batman reboot was one of the best superhero movies ever made. The Hulk reboot was just average. If you want to talk perspective, Incredible Hulk actually had a bigger opening weekend than Batman Begins. It was hurt by its legs, which while not as bad as Hulk were still the weakest for a Marvel Studios film. Heck, even Hancock of the same summer had better legs.

Aug 25 - 02:53 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

He may not as smashed enough stuff, when he did it was epic. I love the fact at how in-depth they went into Hulk's character, how realistic the special effects were on him (still the best-looking most realistic special effects to date for Hulk), the story was solid, & even the performances were top-notch. Yeah, but the new Batman movies, while definitely a huge makeup for Schumacher's shit, are just heavily extended CSI episodes than truly Batman (I.e. not fictional).

Aug 25 - 09:24 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

60s Batman? I don't know what the hell Batman you're talking about. And by not fictional, I mean the Batman that battled actual villains with fictionaly traits such as falling in toxic waste that is sadistic & COMICAL at the same time (not a guy in make-up who grew up with an abusive dad), lived in the city that actually looked like Gotham (not an over-sized New York City), & one that lived in a world where politics were barely the main focus. I.E. the Batman that was fictional. The new Batman movies are nothing more than over-extended episodes of CSI with Sherlock Holmes in a Batman costume.

Aug 26 - 01:46 AM

King  S.

King Simba

You do realize that Batman is called "The World's Greatest Detective" and his debut story came in Detective Comics, so saying that the newer movies are like Sherlock Holmes and CSI is actually praising them for being faithful to their source material.

While which version is better - Nolan's or Burton's - is a matter of opinion, which version is closer to the comics is undeniebly Nolan's. Burton himself admitted to never having read a single Batman comic, whereas with the Nolan's Batman films, while the stories are mostly original they do borrow a number of their plotlines from some of the comics. Even the gothic look of Gotham in the first two Batman movies is something Burton not Batman.

Aug 26 - 05:48 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

BTW why TF are we even talking about Batman. No where is he mentioned above. I hate getting sucked into these off topic conversations.

Aug 26 - 06:10 AM

Billy B.

Billy Barnett

I agree, I don't get why people hate Hulk so much.

Aug 26 - 06:42 AM

Seth T.

Seth Tamarkin

Tim Burton's Batman stuck to the comics much closer than The Dark Knight, despite both being good films. The Joker in the 1989 Batman was much closer to the comics than Heath Ledger's.

Anyways, If you want a good Hulk film then you have to think differently. Every Hulk film is the same, so change it up by adapting some old Peter David Hulk books into a movie.

Aug 27 - 01:27 AM

sundancekid77

Ricky Mainville

franco's a terrible actor!

Aug 24 - 09:46 PM

Bye bye

Steven Bailey

Franco a terrible actor? I'm sorry, have you seen his good films or is this based on the slew of crap he keeps involving himself in?

He needs to get better at picking worthy projects and stop working with hacks like David Gordon Greene (who used to not be a hack). When he does movies like 127 Hours and Milk which actually involve trustworthy directors, his talent shines.

Aug 24 - 10:19 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Right, as seen by his phenomenal performance in Planet of the Apes, which was a fantastic movie. C'mon, dude got out-acted by a CGI monkey. The vast majority of his performances suck, therefore, one can reach the conclusion that a good performance from him is the result of a happy accident.

Aug 24 - 10:50 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Given that people were lobying for Andy Serkis to get an oscar nomination, saying that Franco was outshone by him is hardly an insult. You could say that about every actor in the film.

Besides, since when is being CGI a bad thing? Haven't both Andy Serkis and Pixar proven that CGI characters can be even more expressive than live action characters?

Aug 25 - 03:07 AM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

No matter how many pixels and polygons you cram into a CGI character, a real human being will always have the potential to be more dynamic and expressive simply due to the lack of any programming/scripts that invariably limit, to some extent, what said CGI character can do.

Think about it: Serkis got praised because Caesar behaved like a monkey in a realistic enough way. The whole thing could have been negated if you found a real monkey that could understand enough to do all those things. Granted, he gave a great performance for mocap and deserved to be nominated, but still. A real human performer should not have a problem out-acting a digital character. Franco's father in the movie, for example, did not get outshone by Caesar, but Franco did. Because he's a terrible actor who looks like he's baked out of his mind all the time. I can only think of 2 performers less expressive: the Twilight duo.

Aug 25 - 12:39 PM

Kevin Nye

Kevin Nye

127 hours. Enough said. And Watcher, it won't let me reply to your comment about Planet of the Apes, but he was not "outacted by a CGI monkey". He was outacted by Andy Serkis using the same motion-capture technology as Avatar, who submitted the performance of a lifetime worthy of an Academy Award (did he win? I can't remember). If you haven't seen it, check out the behind the scenes stuff of Serkis playing the monkey with the motion capture technology. It's absolutely unreal. Franco got out-acted for sure, but that's like saying Bale got outacted by Ledger in TDK.

Aug 25 - 04:29 PM

Bye bye

Steven Bailey

Franco a terrible actor? I'm sorry, have you seen his good films or is this based on the slew of crap he keeps involving himself in?

He needs to get better at picking worthy projects and stop working with hacks like David Gordon Greene (who used to not be a hack). When he does movies like 127 Hours and Milk which actually involve trustworthy directors, his talent shines.

Aug 24 - 10:19 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Right, as seen by his phenomenal performance in Planet of the Apes, which was a fantastic movie. C'mon, dude got out-acted by a CGI monkey. The vast majority of his performances suck, therefore, one can reach the conclusion that a good performance from him is the result of a happy accident.

Aug 24 - 10:50 PM

King  S.

King Simba

Given that people were lobying for Andy Serkis to get an oscar nomination, saying that Franco was outshone by him is hardly an insult. You could say that about every actor in the film.

Besides, since when is being CGI a bad thing? Haven't both Andy Serkis and Pixar proven that CGI characters can be even more expressive than live action characters?

Aug 25 - 03:07 AM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

No matter how many pixels and polygons you cram into a CGI character, a real human being will always have the potential to be more dynamic and expressive simply due to the lack of any programming/scripts that invariably limit, to some extent, what said CGI character can do.

Think about it: Serkis got praised because Caesar behaved like a monkey in a realistic enough way. The whole thing could have been negated if you found a real monkey that could understand enough to do all those things. Granted, he gave a great performance for mocap and deserved to be nominated, but still. A real human performer should not have a problem out-acting a digital character. Franco's father in the movie, for example, did not get outshone by Caesar, but Franco did. Because he's a terrible actor who looks like he's baked out of his mind all the time. I can only think of 2 performers less expressive: the Twilight duo.

Aug 25 - 12:39 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Right, as seen by his phenomenal performance in Planet of the Apes, which was a fantastic movie. C'mon, dude got out-acted by a CGI monkey. The vast majority of his performances suck, therefore, one can reach the conclusion that a good performance from him is the result of a happy accident.

Aug 24 - 10:50 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

3. Hulk, Taking Woodstock, Ride with the Devil are all pretty bad...

Aug 24 - 10:52 PM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Hulk wasn't a bad movie, I don't know what you're talking about.

Aug 24 - 11:38 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Hulk not smashing is entertaining for you? Ang Lee made a melodramatic existential drama out of what was supposed to be a fun superhero flick. He fucked up the character so hard that it took Mark Ruffalo in Avengers (9 years later) for people to get excited for him again. For perspective, it only took Batman 8 years to rebound from Schumacher's assault.

Aug 25 - 02:42 AM

King  S.

King Simba

Yeah, but the Batman reboot was one of the best superhero movies ever made. The Hulk reboot was just average. If you want to talk perspective, Incredible Hulk actually had a bigger opening weekend than Batman Begins. It was hurt by its legs, which while not as bad as Hulk were still the weakest for a Marvel Studios film. Heck, even Hancock of the same summer had better legs.

Aug 25 - 02:53 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

He may not as smashed enough stuff, when he did it was epic. I love the fact at how in-depth they went into Hulk's character, how realistic the special effects were on him (still the best-looking most realistic special effects to date for Hulk), the story was solid, & even the performances were top-notch. Yeah, but the new Batman movies, while definitely a huge makeup for Schumacher's shit, are just heavily extended CSI episodes than truly Batman (I.e. not fictional).

Aug 25 - 09:24 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

60s Batman? I don't know what the hell Batman you're talking about. And by not fictional, I mean the Batman that battled actual villains with fictionaly traits such as falling in toxic waste that is sadistic & COMICAL at the same time (not a guy in make-up who grew up with an abusive dad), lived in the city that actually looked like Gotham (not an over-sized New York City), & one that lived in a world where politics were barely the main focus. I.E. the Batman that was fictional. The new Batman movies are nothing more than over-extended episodes of CSI with Sherlock Holmes in a Batman costume.

Aug 26 - 01:46 AM

King  S.

King Simba

You do realize that Batman is called "The World's Greatest Detective" and his debut story came in Detective Comics, so saying that the newer movies are like Sherlock Holmes and CSI is actually praising them for being faithful to their source material.

While which version is better - Nolan's or Burton's - is a matter of opinion, which version is closer to the comics is undeniebly Nolan's. Burton himself admitted to never having read a single Batman comic, whereas with the Nolan's Batman films, while the stories are mostly original they do borrow a number of their plotlines from some of the comics. Even the gothic look of Gotham in the first two Batman movies is something Burton not Batman.

Aug 26 - 05:48 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

BTW why TF are we even talking about Batman. No where is he mentioned above. I hate getting sucked into these off topic conversations.

Aug 26 - 06:10 AM

Billy B.

Billy Barnett

I agree, I don't get why people hate Hulk so much.

Aug 26 - 06:42 AM

Seth T.

Seth Tamarkin

Tim Burton's Batman stuck to the comics much closer than The Dark Knight, despite both being good films. The Joker in the 1989 Batman was much closer to the comics than Heath Ledger's.

Anyways, If you want a good Hulk film then you have to think differently. Every Hulk film is the same, so change it up by adapting some old Peter David Hulk books into a movie.

Aug 27 - 01:27 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

Hulk wasn't a bad movie, I don't know what you're talking about.

Aug 24 - 11:38 PM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Hulk not smashing is entertaining for you? Ang Lee made a melodramatic existential drama out of what was supposed to be a fun superhero flick. He fucked up the character so hard that it took Mark Ruffalo in Avengers (9 years later) for people to get excited for him again. For perspective, it only took Batman 8 years to rebound from Schumacher's assault.

Aug 25 - 02:42 AM

King  S.

King Simba

Yeah, but the Batman reboot was one of the best superhero movies ever made. The Hulk reboot was just average. If you want to talk perspective, Incredible Hulk actually had a bigger opening weekend than Batman Begins. It was hurt by its legs, which while not as bad as Hulk were still the weakest for a Marvel Studios film. Heck, even Hancock of the same summer had better legs.

Aug 25 - 02:53 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

He may not as smashed enough stuff, when he did it was epic. I love the fact at how in-depth they went into Hulk's character, how realistic the special effects were on him (still the best-looking most realistic special effects to date for Hulk), the story was solid, & even the performances were top-notch. Yeah, but the new Batman movies, while definitely a huge makeup for Schumacher's shit, are just heavily extended CSI episodes than truly Batman (I.e. not fictional).

Aug 25 - 09:24 AM

Frisby2007

Frisby 2007

60s Batman? I don't know what the hell Batman you're talking about. And by not fictional, I mean the Batman that battled actual villains with fictionaly traits such as falling in toxic waste that is sadistic & COMICAL at the same time (not a guy in make-up who grew up with an abusive dad), lived in the city that actually looked like Gotham (not an over-sized New York City), & one that lived in a world where politics were barely the main focus. I.E. the Batman that was fictional. The new Batman movies are nothing more than over-extended episodes of CSI with Sherlock Holmes in a Batman costume.

Aug 26 - 01:46 AM

King  S.

King Simba

You do realize that Batman is called "The World's Greatest Detective" and his debut story came in Detective Comics, so saying that the newer movies are like Sherlock Holmes and CSI is actually praising them for being faithful to their source material.

While which version is better - Nolan's or Burton's - is a matter of opinion, which version is closer to the comics is undeniebly Nolan's. Burton himself admitted to never having read a single Batman comic, whereas with the Nolan's Batman films, while the stories are mostly original they do borrow a number of their plotlines from some of the comics. Even the gothic look of Gotham in the first two Batman movies is something Burton not Batman.

Aug 26 - 05:48 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

BTW why TF are we even talking about Batman. No where is he mentioned above. I hate getting sucked into these off topic conversations.

Aug 26 - 06:10 AM

Billy B.

Billy Barnett

I agree, I don't get why people hate Hulk so much.

Aug 26 - 06:42 AM

Seth T.

Seth Tamarkin

Tim Burton's Batman stuck to the comics much closer than The Dark Knight, despite both being good films. The Joker in the 1989 Batman was much closer to the comics than Heath Ledger's.

Anyways, If you want a good Hulk film then you have to think differently. Every Hulk film is the same, so change it up by adapting some old Peter David Hulk books into a movie.

Aug 27 - 01:27 AM

Kadeem S.

Kadeem Stewart

Again, R.I.P Tony Scott. He's one of the greatest directors of all time and I still don't know what's in the future for a Top Gun sequel. I think Ridley is up to the challenge.

The Rocketeer doesn't need to be rotten because I like the original film, I already got it on Blu-Ray. But RT made a big mistake. And that's why Disney has a lot of good and bad live-action movies in the past 2 decades including one of the worst movies of 2012, John Carter. So I hope Disney should remake "The Rocketeer" if there's a good actor.

A female "Expendables" movie should be good enough. Maybe you can put Linda Hamilton, Sigourney Weaver, Angolina Jolie, Milla Jovovich, or my favorite Peta Wilson from TV's "Le Femme Nikita."

Aug 25 - 12:11 AM

Christopher Kulik

Christopher Kulik

Greatest directors of all time? I think that's stretching it a bit; his ADHD style was a bit too much for me to stomach in many of his films, particularly DOMINO...what a giant sack of green slimy puke that was! He certainly had his great films, but I don't see how he should be considered in the pantheon of great directors like Hitchcock, Ford, Polanski, Wilder, Lumet, etc. That's just me though; that being said, RIP Mr. Tony Scott.

Aug 26 - 03:08 AM

The.Watcher

The Watcher

Hulk not smashing is entertaining for you? Ang Lee made a melodramatic existential drama out of what was supposed to be a fun superhero flick. He fucked up the character so hard that it took Mark Ruffalo in Avengers (9 years later) for people to get excited for him again. For perspective, it only took Batman 8 years to rebound from Schumacher's assault.

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