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Michael Bay Exposes Vast Microsoft Conspiracy

by Jeff Giles | December 07, 2007

Summary

Have you been holding off on purchasing hi-def components for your home theater because you're confused by the whole HD DVD vs. Blu-ray conundrum? Michael Bay feels your pain -- and he says it's all Microsoft's fault. Back to Article

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Warheart1188 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:15 AM

Michael Bay, you smart man you! What's this? Transformers was just released as a digital download on the Xbox Live service? In standard and high definition? I may just save the hassle and money of buying an HD DVD drive and the Transformers HD DVD! You see, we need more intelligent people like Bay here. I can predict within the next year, he'll figure out the meaning of life, where humans actually came from and why his film career is a failure.

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puablo writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:36 AM

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He'll probably ultimately discover that the Big Bang came from an explosion in one of his movies.

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underoath18 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:39 AM

if only Bay put this much time into developing character and writing believable dialouge he might actually make a really good movie. instead he just sits around and writes crazy **** on his website.

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EmmG389 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:56 AM

I didn't think Transformers was really that bad. Actually I liked it, I actually really liked it. His movies don't contain horrible performances either. Sean Connery in The Rock. Martin Lawrence and Will Smith in Bad Boys. Shia LeBeouf in Transformers are all pretty entertaining.

Yes Pearl Harbor, Bad Boys 2 sucked. Armagedon is ridiculous. But he is nowhere as bad as Roland Emmerich, the maker of ID4, Godzilla, and the Day After Tomorrow.

The movies that he produces are terrible though like those horror films.

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Eldorado writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:57 AM

Holy ****.. the guy stands up and makes a post about this whole stupid format war, one of the very few within the industry with the balls to say anything like this, and here you guys take shots at him?? What the hell do his movies have to do with this??

Dumb as$es...

Now if only more of those within the industry start speaking up and questioning the format war..

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zooter writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:00 AM

oh, Bay bashing Microsoft...this thread is gonna get interesting!

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DigitalJDR writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:13 AM

Micheal Bay is a ponce.
First off, Blu Ray is not a superior disk. it is flimsy, delicate and expensive to produce. It scratches easily and should have been cartridge designed like the disks used in Sony HD cams.
while HD DVDs are more robust and cheaper to produce. They are less prone to scratches and data loss over age.
I have some pretty high end stuff where i work, and we hate dealing with Blu Ray encoding.
Its buggy and will not change much into the future.

Much like Beta vs VHS, it was cheaper to produce the weaker quality VHS
and Sony was being a big baby about it all.

Also, Blu Rays are still having trouble enabling duel layer where as HD dvd its a fact.
The concerns over bandwidth is silly because the vast majority of purchasers WILL NOT be able to see the difference.

I work in broadcast and I can tell you what uncompressed vs these formats look like.
You have a crap tv it looks like crap. You spend 10K on a good screen, well it may make a difference.
BUT

The future will be choice, not exclusion. The format wars are over, now the consumer wants convenience not forced formats. Anyway, Sony is a massive bully, more so than Microsoft so I don't know where Bay gets off defending them.

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xenogears writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:13 AM

Trnsformers was great to me because it was an action movie and in an action movie i don't realy give a damn about dialouge. If I want dialouge i'll watch a drama. And he doesn't have a bad theory. I also agree with Eldorado. At least he has the balls to admit how he feels on the subject.

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Gimy writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:29 AM

i actually feel sorry for bay haters, they can't even enjoy a great movie without their bigotry getting in the way. eh, i don't like shia lebeuf but i loved trans. can't you guys just sit back, inject some midol in your veins...and enjoy a good action movie? great dialogue, character development? its a frikkin big blockbuster summer flick. i hope ya break legs when you guys fall off your high horse...and in the hospital...they show nothing but Crossroads and Glitter.

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vallejo_7o7 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:34 AM

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Blu-Ray at the moment has 50gb, but have you guys ever been to CES (Consumer Electronic Show)? I went last year were they produced a 70gb and 100gb, and this was in 2006! Who knows what the future holds. The technology in Blu-Ray is superior. HD DVD looks like a DVD upscale, or at least the hddvd attachment that you have to buy separately from the XBOX 360. And yes Blu-Ray is more expensive to produce, but fragile it is not. Have you ever seen that you tube video of this guy how practically tortures a Blu-Ray disk with fire, a knife, steel wool, and some other stuff and the Blu-Ray disk still played (you tube it, its kinda amazing, http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5jEbZt6AIQ). Also this is not like beta vs. vhs because beta max only had better quality video, but that format could only hold about 1 hour of footage. Where Blu-Ray vs HD DVD I have not seen anything better in HD DVD besides the price. Audio, video, capacity. If Blu-Ray was so bad then the movie 300 would've have pushed for Blu-Ray. And I don't understand why everybody hates Blu-ray. It seems every article that I read where it's Blu-ray vs. HD DVD they always down talk and down play Blu Ray (this article is one piece evidence for my claim). F.Y.I. I've tested many Blu-Ray (that's my job) players and if your debating which one to get, the PS3 is actually they fastest player out.

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stevegilpin writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:45 AM

This is quite possibly one of the funniest (and most illuminating) articles I've ever seen posted on Rotten Tomatoes.

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rgallitan writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:57 AM

The Digital Bits covered this topic months ago.

And yes, that thing about payouts to major studios for format support is real, but apparently the money came from Toshiba (the creators of HD-DVD), not Microsoft. Which is a much less entertaining story.

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eRACEr writes:
on Dec 07 2007 09:13 AM

Eff. Talk about wasteful - switch to the digital downloads, and reduce already the need for additional plastic formats.

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rgallitan writes:
on Dec 07 2007 09:23 AM

Okay, here's more info. The summation is that Paramount and Dreamworks were paid many millions to go HD-DVD exclusive. Apparently Warner was given the same offer, but declined.

The original story from The Digital Bits blaming Microsoft can be found at http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa141.html#dp

You can surf forward from there to follow the unfolding story, but the salient bit is here:

"We've been doing a lot of digging into the events of last week, and have learned from reliable sources some of what went on behind the scenes. And our friends up in Microsoft's HD-DVD Evangelism office will be pleased to know that we believe we've corrborated some of what they've been saying in recent days: The $150 million payment to Paramount and DreamWorks didn't come from Microsoft. It apparently came from Toshiba and/or the HD-DVD camp collectively. We've been told that Microsoft was involved in the process, but they didn't cut the checks."

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rgallitan writes:
on Dec 07 2007 09:26 AM

Microsoft's motives, btw, still aren't quite clear. They definitely have an interest in digital downloads, but they also have a stake in HD-DVD, since I believe they own the compression codec.

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arendr writes:
on Dec 07 2007 09:31 AM

Michael Bay vs. Microsoft? I don't know whose side to take. Isn't that like a boxing match between Adolf Hitler and Torquemada?

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yankeesrule587 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 09:41 AM

i wish the retards of the world would look up the word "director" and realize michael bay dont write dialogue or create characters.... check the definition for "writer" or "screenwriter".... should be quite enlightening. the only michael bay movie i havent seen is the island...the rest have all been very very good movies...realism aside...if i wanted to see reality i can watch it on tv...when i goto movies i want crazy, rediculous, isnt that what movies are for?

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aneb writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:12 AM

"Microsoft wants both formats to fail so they can be heroes and make the world move to digital downloads. That is the dirty secret no one is talking about."

As far as I know this aint no secret at all. Microsoft has always said they believe the future lies in digital downloads and not optical storage media.

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nogard46 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:18 AM

In reply to this comment (#1335163)
man you seem like a downright liar! I really don't believe anything you've wrote.

To say blu ray is flimsy? You think Sony which by far bar none the most trusted brand in electronic quality would porduce a shotty product is down right obsurd!

You need a 10K screen to see the difference? I've looked at all types of TVs from $500 to over $3000, and both Blu Ray and HD DVD produces a very high quality picture. The image is just smoother and more life like and 3D than regular DVDs.

I can't take sides on this matter as far as which is superior because like I said the picture quality is both superior.

But I do think Bay probably has a valid point, MS is very competetive and I have no doubt it will do whatever it takes to secure its position in the future.

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Allmano writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:21 AM

Blue-ray has some slight advantages over HD but they are too damned expensive. Who wants to go out and spend 30 bucks a DVD, when that technology is exclusivley limited and will be outdated in a year.

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highdough writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:28 AM

I'm pretty sure a director as powerful as Michael Bay would have a little say over the script. Armageddon was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Pearl Harbor was even worse than that. With about 15 minutes left of Transformers, I'd pretty much seen enough, and almost left since I didn't care about any of the characters or the story. And I didn't even mind that movie. No, action movies aren't drama, but that doesn't mean you forgo character development and story. Michael Bay is so concerned about making a pretty looking picture and explosions, the film suffers. The Bourne movies are good movies AND good action movies. Same with Casino Royale, and Batman Begins, and Spiderman 1 and 2. And many others. I really hate it when people excuse bad filmmaking because action movies aren't supposed to win Academy Awards.

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nathanpoitras writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:34 AM

I'm gaining more respect for Michael Bay by the minute. I've spent my last dollar on anything made by Microsoft. Good riddance and burn in H*** Bill Gates.

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nathanpoitras writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:37 AM

I also wonder if this digital downloading scheme will have as many bugs in it as their XBOX 360s, it's hard to imagine that, but if anyone can make it happen I bet they can.

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Scorpio82 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:39 AM

If Bay put as much thought into his conspiracy theories as he does into his scripts, he'd... well, still make pretty bad movies. Investing hundreds of millions into a failing company is a bad move, no matter what way you look at it. People aren't confused about which one to buy - people are confused because they don't understand why they should trade in their reasonable working DVD players for an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. These are destined to fail without Microsoft's help because we already know digital downloads are the future.

While he's at it, maybe Bay can make himself useful and find out where they filmed the moon landing for us.

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AlbertBrodsky writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:40 AM

I spent a great deal of money getting all my VHS titles in DVD. Now the movie industry wants me to fork out $30 a disk for high-def. I've seen them both, bluray and HDDVD

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AlbertBrodsky writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:43 AM

I spent a great deal of money getting all my VHS titles in DVD. Now the movie industry wants me to fork out $30 a disk for high-def. I've seen them both, bluray and HDDVD and they both look great, but for now, I'll wait for the downloads. I really like the idea of having my entire movie collection on a terabite drive instead of taking so much room in my living room. Plus, think about how much plastic waste we could save ourselves from. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch "SUPERBAD" on my Zune. DOWNLOADS ROCK!

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mrdarklight writes:
on Dec 07 2007 10:45 AM

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The whole "Beta was better than VHS but lost anyway" is a load of crap. Beta was inferior to VHS. They were equal in video quality, but the VHS tapes could record longer. That's basically the only reason they won.

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polycube writes:
on Dec 07 2007 11:15 AM

Some regular DVD's (Pixar films, POTC) played with a 1080 up-conversion player on a 1080 HD display look so good that I'm in no rush to upgrade. Since people are willing to pay for and watch entire movies on IPOD size screens...the entire argument of resolutions goes out the window...people will watch movies that they like at any resolution if they like the film - provided that the audio quality is acceptable.

Also, an enhanced cable internet service will be active soon that utilizes a multi-channel connection for extreme speeds: like 1GB per second. I read about it in the associated press. Stream HD and beyond will be here in 1-2 years.

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minderbinder writes:
on Dec 07 2007 11:16 AM

Old news, this was reported a long time ago.

"why his film career is a failure"

While his movies are often critically reviled, overall they have made a LOT of money. He's a hack, but his career is no failure.

And while Transformers was popular, there were definitely a few people who hated it, myself included. And that's going in with the lowest possible expectations and leaving the brain at the door. Mainly too much time spent on awful scenes with the human "characters". It's a movie about damn robots, they could probably have cut an HOUR of the scenes without robots and it would have made a huge improvements. Nobody wants bad romance or bad comedy in a transformers movie, just make it about the robots with as little filler as possible. 90 minutes? That would have been perfect.

MS does offer one of the codecs that is used on HD-DVD, it is also supported on bluray. Both offer a choice between a number of codecs, so a studio can choose to use the MS one or not.

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MC. writes:
on Dec 07 2007 11:16 AM

BAY IS RIGHT!

BAY RULES, EVEN THOUGH HIS MOVIES ARE FOR 8 YEAR OLD...HIS ANALYSIS OF THE MARKETPLACE IS FOR ADULTS!

GO BAY!

MICROSOFT PRODUCTS ARE FOR LOSERS!

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T C S X writes:
on Dec 07 2007 11:38 AM

Michael Bay definitely is no mans idiot.

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Tridus writes:
on Dec 07 2007 11:41 AM

Wow... I mean... wow.

I've seen Microsoft accused of almost everything imaginable, but this is a new one.

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The Cunning Linguist writes:
on Dec 07 2007 12:08 PM

hmmmmmm...Where should I stand on this? I hate both Microsoft and Michael Bay.

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Bob* writes:
on Dec 07 2007 12:17 PM

There's no any format in the world that would make his stupid movies with stupid stories and stupid dialogues improve so why he's complaining? What he would do next? blow up Microsoft, film it and sell it as Transformers 2?

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nogard46 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 12:19 PM

yeah for anyone who is wondering what to do. Im a huge home movie buff but on a budget.

I just bought a 1080p capable upconvert DVD player for about $50 with a $30 HDMI cable. And I have to say the pic quality is not too bad. On my 26 inch HDTV, the picture quality are now acceptable. It used to look like crap, heavy pixelation and just overall blurrienss I was shocked with how bad DVDs looked on my HDTV.

My new upconvert DVD player is able to push out a 1080P 16X9 native image, too bad my screen is only 1080i capable. And now only 1 single cable instead of many with the HDMI interface.

I have to use the word acceptable because I tested it with 300, SM-3, and a couple other movies and they all looked decent but didn't have the silky smoothness and 3-D realism of a the B-R and HD DVD players.

But right now the price point is not good enough to jump into next gen players, $300 players and $25 a disc. Wait about a year and prices should start to fall.

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POPCORNLUMPY writes:
on Dec 07 2007 12:41 PM

oh my god!!!, just make transformers 2 already, we don't have time for threats and fake spoilers, just make the movie already

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South Texas Terror writes:
on Dec 07 2007 01:08 PM

I haven't bought a Blu-ray or HD dvd player. Im still mad about the $300 I lost in middle school buying a stupid MINI disc player.

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T45Red writes:
on Dec 07 2007 01:23 PM

Yeah, we all know that his movies suck and have very little story, character developement, good dialogue, etc. I don't get why this really affects his views though, even though it doesn't seem like he really did any research on the subject. Yeah, well, I'm going to go read something more interesting now.

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AlbertBrodsky writes:
on Dec 07 2007 02:13 PM

I bought my HD DVD player because it was only $100, it upconverts old dvds, and it comes with 5 free (mostly crappy) movies by mail. When I will actually see those? Who know? All I know is that I have two kids and a mortgage, so I don't have piles of money to throw at Bluray or HDDVD right now. When I can get either format for around $15 a movie, we can talk. BTW, when I go to stores, i'm not seeing any HDDVD selections, and what they do have is crap. I couldn't even get Batman Begins at Walmart. But on the other hand, the BLURAY selection has been weak. If i'm going to be forced to pay $30 a movie, they better be worth it. Also, until I can rent HDDVD at Blockbuster (not through mail), I might be more interested in the format.

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damvbat writes:
on Dec 07 2007 02:14 PM

wait 5 years and we will find out the winner and if u chose the wrong format your screwed

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mephesto writes:
on Dec 07 2007 02:40 PM

How much is Microsoft going to charge for the hd downloads? And what is consumer america supposed to do then are they forced to buy an xbox or another piece of microsoft equiptment just to watch movies in the future? Screw corporate america!

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mephesto writes:
on Dec 07 2007 02:48 PM

How much is Microsoft going to charge for the hd downloads? And what is consumer america supposed to do then are they forced to buy an xbox or another piece of microsoft equiptment just to watch movies in the future? Screw corporate america!

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bookworm1994 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 02:51 PM

Bay sucks. He acts like a two year old; insists he's the best director ever; ignores every rotten rating critic in existence; and procedes to inform us he has the entire secret of the universe worked out. Righttttttttttt. Until you write a decent script and are able to not make your directing look like a commercial for Pepsi Black . . . maybe we'll believe you. Maybe. But until then, you just sound like a person craving for his childhood again and then only using adulthood so he can swear a lot and put tons of cleavage in his movies.

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arcadefire325 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 03:12 PM

sony made a crappy product, it was called PS3. that product has so many problems with their blu-ray technology. there were many people who bought the PS3 and they were duds. the PS3 would overload and just turn off during people playing their games. so, yeah Sony can make a crappy product. isn't the marketplace supposed to determine which one wins??? VHS won because it was cheaper. the cheaper format will always win over the expensive one. i don't like bay or gates.

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incendy writes:
on Dec 07 2007 03:27 PM

haha, MS has been saying this for over a year! Poor Bay didn't get the Memo I guess:)

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Novastar. writes:
on Dec 07 2007 06:06 PM

Way to go Mister Bay,now make a movie about it so you can blow them up.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 06:37 PM

Arcadefire, what are you talking about? I think you got that mixed up with the Xbox 360, out of all PS3s only 1% failed, compared to 65% all all Xboxs. Are you insane?

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Warheart1188 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 06:59 PM

There are teradiscs out there. They've made them in the Middle East. That's alot;1,000 GBs on a single disc. But they've said it won't be years until they can get them into the market. So, forget Blu Ray and HD DVD. Go Teradisc!

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Warheart1188 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:01 PM

In reply to this comment (#1336059)
Arcadefire325, I agree with you on PS3. But VHS only beat out Betamax because VHS had porn.

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MC. writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:32 PM

xboxs are toys of terror.

Bill Gates is evil.

Microsoft sucks.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 07 2007 07:34 PM

Warheart are you insane too? How the PS3 a failure when it has only 1% defectives, yet 65% of xboxs are defective? Are you slow warheart?

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7thhell writes:
on Dec 07 2007 08:52 PM

I just like watching movies.

This thread has woven itself into a political debate.

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JohnnyHartigan writes:
on Dec 07 2007 11:03 PM

In reply to this comment (#1335189)
it's almost as good as when Steven Segal came out and said the CIA is the reason for his decline in popularity.

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High School With Money writes:
on Dec 08 2007 12:32 AM

People, wasn't it enough to have a widescreen vs fullscreen war, now you want to prove you have nothing better to do than to quibble over a few gigabytes and whether Walmart has a one day sale of a type of HD player over another? You know there's a DVD forum in this site, right?

If Bay wants to impress me with his Deep Throat impersonation, he should talk about how digital downloads will make successful use of the DRM-like DivX tech, that went Hindenburg in disc form, simply because audiences will have no choice once discs become obsolete. Plus the notion that people will HAVE to constantly upgrade their TVs in order to take advantage of the next resolution improvement every five years. How 'bout suckin' on that bowl of Life, Mikey? You likey?

[b]He'll probably ultimately discover that the Big Bang came from an explosion in one of his movies. [/b]

That sounds like a Chuck Norris joke.

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tHe LiviNg dEaD akaOMG writes:
on Dec 08 2007 02:56 AM

Wow, EmmG389...two straight posts in which you had no idea what you were talking about.

"His movies don't contain horrible performances either. Sean Connery in The Rock. Martin Lawrence and Will Smith in Bad Boys. Shia LeBeouf in Transformers are all pretty entertaining."

You just listed Martin Lawrence and Shia LeBeouf as good performances. Sean Connery in The Rock...that had to be his worst role ever. Are you kidding me? Good roles contain good characters, good characters have a good story, and good stories are nothing without good dialouge.

All of those things are a consistant absence from Michael Bay films.

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nogard46 writes:
on Dec 08 2007 03:14 AM

In reply to this comment (#1336059)
um yeah what are you talking about? Have you look up any of what you've said?

Its widely know from retailers and industry poeple, the PS3 has a 1% fail rate.

The 360 is rather high with many heat issues, so bad if you look around on the net and customer reviews you will see people are quite shocked by the 360.

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incendy writes:
on Dec 08 2007 07:47 AM

In reply to this comment (#1337373)
The failure rate of the 360's definately is a big problem that is costing MS million if not more in replacing them but still it is a much better product than the PS3. MS's focus on content, community and ease of use was definately the right choice. As for digital downloads, I am all for it!

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Matanuki writes:
on Dec 08 2007 09:56 AM

In reply to this comment (#1335129)
You had me, Warheart, up until the part about Bay's career being... a "failure". I mean, call him a lot of things (and I have), but to say his film career is a failure is, well, absurd.

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Nick Hershey writes:
on Dec 08 2007 12:45 PM

Well Mr. Bay, if your 'revelation' effects positive change, I'll forgive you for Armageddon. I don't know about Pearl Harbor though.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 08 2007 04:25 PM

incendy how can you say that Xbox1.5 is better than the PS3, not only is the PS3 better in graphics, games, controller, online, customer service, and the fact they they do not burn out but the XBOX IS A COMPLETE JOKE.

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dayfalljesse writes:
on Dec 08 2007 04:33 PM

In reply to this comment (#1335175)
vallejo_7o7, you have to be out of your mind. If you believe that HD-DVD looks like a DVD upsample, it leads me to believe you've never actually viewed any HD content besides screencaps on a Blu-Ray endorsing website.

I dont have a preference towards either, so I can unbiasedly say that there isnt a big difference in the two formats, at least from a consumer standpoint. I have a 55" plasma screen and have viewed HD and Blu-Ray content on it, and 98% of viewers will not be able to tell a difference. The truth of the matter is, there is only so much viewable compression you can squeeze out of a source that will be indiscernible to the human eye on the HD tv sets we can purchase now.

I do agree with the fact that HD discs are cheaper to reproduce, and are more easily adaptable to technology advances. But as far as preference goes, I could care less. Give us a damn affordable dual player, or have one of the technologies killed off.

Oh, and Michael Bay is a moron. Let someone else make transformers 2 then. Directors like this are idiots - they are giving up a whole, complete revenue stream because of this pitiful format war...

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arcadefire325 writes:
on Dec 08 2007 06:03 PM

yeah, 360 was such a failure that they declared Sony the loser out the competition between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. that is the definition of failure. i guess all my friends who bought PS3 were wrong compared to the ones who bought 360s. yup, i was completely incorrect in my assessment of the PS3. it didn't suck at all.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 08 2007 07:08 PM

Is that the reason why the PS3 is outselling the 360 in Japan and the US? Yeah the PS3 is such a failure with its 1% deffective. How many people had to get their ps3 replaced over and over again? NO ONE, how many had to with their 360s? ABOUT 40% OF ALL OWNERS. God you have no idea what you are talking about.

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buttamack writes:
on Dec 08 2007 09:33 PM

why does everyone like to bash on Michael Bay. He makes entertaining movies. He'll never make anything like No Country for Old Men or anything like that, but we need the Michael Bay's in the world so that we appreciate the cohen's of the world that much better. And it's entertainment anyway. I'd rather sit and watch Bad Boys, Armageddon and Transformers over and over again rather than some sappy love story

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Chipotle writes:
on Dec 08 2007 11:18 PM

In reply to this comment (#1340328)
The PS3 may be outselling the Xbox 360 in Japan (Sony outselling an American company there? Shocking!), but the current worldwide sales are 14.14M X360s to 6.73M PS3s, and that's 9.18M X360s in the US to 2.75M PS3s here. The Xbox 360s do have a notorious failure rate, yes, but the PS3 had a notorious lack of flagship games. While this is obviously anecdotal, the house I've been living in had all three "current gen" consoles and a fair number of gamers living there or visiting, and the Xbox got the most use by far. Up until the current "Ratchet and Clank," it was pretty rare for the PS3 to be asked to do anything but run the Folding@Home client.

The most stable, fastest, and downright prettiest hardware available just doesn't do you a lot of good without software people want, and historically that just hasn't been happening for the PS3. Combine that with the fact that it's far and away the most expensive console out there (still), and you don't have a recipe for improvement. It seems like Sony -- and I suppose PS3 fans? -- are expecting it to win based on being the cheapest Blu-Ray player out there, but unless you also just love love love Blu-Ray over HD-DVD -- whose players are already noticeably cheaper -- that ain't gonna cut it, either.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 08 2007 11:36 PM

The PS3 is not the most expensive console, it is even with the Xbox, plus if you want the ability to watch high def movies it would cost you MORE to have a XBOX, not to mention the crap Xbox live. And according to IGN.com, PS3 has more 5 star exclusive titles in its FIRST year than Xbox in its 2 year. How is the xbox the most stable, fastest and prettiest hardware available? I would say that any console that only hase first person shooters, breaks down three times, and looks like a white bookend is far from the most stable, fastest and prettiest console.

P.S. CHipotle so i guess your friends equal everyone? Me and my roommate own all three next gen consoles and the PS3 is the most used because it is by far superior to the Xbox. Also explain why blue ray movies are outselling hddvds 4 to 1 or closer to 5 to 1, explain that xbot.

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vallejo_7o7 writes:
on Dec 09 2007 10:08 AM

In reply to this comment (#1336059)
guess what buddy, i had to send my xbox 360 back to microsoft twice. thats 5 weeks at a time. thats a crappy product to me buddy. ive never had one problem with my ps3. the blu-ray never stopped or anything.

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knowingtoast85 writes:
on Dec 09 2007 10:11 AM

Has nobody mentioned that the pornography industry signed an exclusive deal with HD-DVD?

You can't get much more decisive a win than that endorsement. Blu-Ray is sunk.

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vallejo_7o7 writes:
on Dec 09 2007 10:43 AM

In reply to this comment (#1340121)
aight. you right about there not being a huge difference between the two for the average consumer. but i sell and install HD plasmas, both high end and low end, with 5.1, 7.1 and even 8.1 surround sound systems. and been doing so for that last 5 years with a independent company who's been doing it for over 10 years. which is why i've going to CES. so basically, i know my ****. and it is true that it comes down to the consumer. but as an experienced person in HD, i like Blu-ray much more than HD DVD, in AUDIO and VIDEO QUALITY. maybe it's a little bias against HD DVD only because they just broke into 1080p realm whereas Blu-ray started out with 1080p. so from the get go i was for Blu-ray and never got off. and as for as your 55" plasma, i hope your not talking to little boys at Best Buys and Magnolia because those guys are garbage and they are literally high school kids. so don't let them touch your system because my guess is that you spent a lot of money on it and you don't want children playing with your equipment. and what the hell is an "up sample?" i said "up scale/ up conversation" and like one of those guys mentioned earlier that his dvd upscaler looks pretty damn good. and there are a lot of those type of dvd players out there. thats why i say HD DVD looks like a DVD upscale. no offense to you.

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ruloaas writes:
on Dec 09 2007 04:14 PM

You know what? Michael Bay is a terrible filmmaker, but that doesn't make him wrong, or a liar. I believe in him, spectacularly untalented as he is. It wouldn't be the first time Microsoft has pulled **** like this.

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clamman27 writes:
on Dec 09 2007 09:31 PM

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Like WHAT horror films? Nice pigeon-holing of an entire genre there, bud. Horror films may not be YOUR cup of tea, but a lot of other people like them.

I liked ID4... a good summer sci-fi movie... not quite Close Encounters but I'll take it over Shamalmamadingdong's Signs. Go ahead---flame me. I'm ready.

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clamman27 writes:
on Dec 09 2007 09:34 PM

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That's not entirely accurate at all. In terms of content, HD DVD is delivering more of a next gen experience than Blue Ray. Blue Ray has the advantage of capacity, but that's not even an issue now, if it ever will be.

The whole format war is because Microsoft and Sony had to compete to see who had the bigger penis. If Microsoft had the balls it would have bundled HD DVD as part of the 360 and HD DVD sales would be better. A large percentage of Blue Ray sales are PS3 owners. Microsoft didn't back the wrong horse, they just didn't really get in the race.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 09 2007 11:07 PM

Vivid actually signed a deal with Bluray and sony would not let them make the dvds so they are still using blu-ray but are using bootleg copies. So you are wrong knowingtoast, not to mention people will not buy hdporn.

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renny2077 writes:
on Dec 10 2007 04:53 AM

There goes Michael's shot at directing Halo....

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minderbinder writes:
on Dec 11 2007 08:23 AM

"If Microsoft had the balls it would have bundled HD DVD as part of the 360 and HD DVD sales would be better."

And since the price of the 360 would have been much higher, they wouldn't have sold nearly as many of them by this point.

While HD-DVD may still lose, it's hard to fault MS on their strategy so far. They beat PS3 to market by a year, prices have been lower with sony only recently catching up (which means they're probably taking even bigger losses with the lower price). I'm skeptical PS3 will ever catch up to the 360's user base, if anyone has a shot it's probably nintendo.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 12 2007 09:41 AM

Minderbinder, PS3 is almost close to catching up to the xbox already. you fail to remember that in japan alone the PS3 is outselling the xbox 15-1. In Europe PS3 is outselling the xbox 6-1. And now the PS3 is outselling the xbox 1.5-1. The xbox is starting to die and now the owners are starting to see the light and buying the vastly superior PS3

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minderbinder writes:
on Dec 12 2007 12:21 PM

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What's your source on those numbers?

Doing a google search, it looks like Wii was the biggest seller in the post thanksgiving sales, with 360 pretty close behind. Sony didn't release numbers, but only denied that they were being outsold by as much as MS claimed.

Analysts seem to think that the same pattern will hold through the holidays.

If you have a source of real numbers showing the PS3 catching up any time soon, I'd like to see it.

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minderbinder writes:
on Dec 12 2007 12:23 PM

Actually, if anyone knows a site that keeps updated on total sales and current sales levels, I'd like to see it.

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asudevil1 writes:
on Dec 12 2007 03:18 PM

IGN is a great source, they just posted an article about how the PS3 is doing really well in Europe. Novembers numbers in Japan alone were like 500,000 PS3s more than Wiis, and xbox in third with like 30,000 sales. Xbox is starting to lose their market. 90% of 360 owners were original xbox owners, and since the PS2 dominated the market last cycle that means that the Xbox does not have a stranglehold on the market and the PS3 is picking up ground not to mention that the next price cut in Feb. and the release of MSG4 is going to push the PS3 over the top and officially send the xbox into third place. Sony is the only company with a positive outlook in the future, Nintendo is starting to lose ground by the sheer fact that they do not have enough systems and that their games are low quality. PS3 already has more quality exclusive games than the Xbox and that is only going to continue into next year.

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Atropos1 writes:
on Dec 15 2007 09:06 AM

I think he's entirely wrong. It's exactly what it looks like, two conglomerations of companies come out with nearly identical technologies and both want their format to be the successor of DVD. One has more storage space, the other is cheaper.

That guy who said he installs home theater systems and has done so for five years, and says that Blu-Ray's audio and video are better is grossly misinformed. The video is friggin identical on the two formats. Blu-Ray sometimes has more space for audio, but an uncompressed track is in fact mathmatically identical to a Dolby TrueHD and DTS-Master track (they sound identical, too). So forget about the audio. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are pretty well matched. The only case I know of where the space restriction as compared to Blu-Ray made a difference was in the Transformers HD-DVD, where they couldn't fit a Dolby TrueHD track onto the disc. In that movie, it didn't even matter because the DD mix was so friggin excellent that it beat out any and every TrueHD and uncompressed PCM mix in a recent awards show.

And by the way HD-DVD did not just break into the 1080p market, they did so quite a while ago. Not that it even matters, because digital displays like LCD and Plasma can't display an interlaced image. They de-interlace it into 1080p, or 720p if they can't do the 1080p. An HD CRT Projection television is the only T.V that can display a true interlaced image, and on the one that I own (a 52" Toshiba Theaterwide HD), 1080i looks quite a bit better than any digital display running in 1080p that I've seen. And I've looked.

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seekshelter writes:
on Dec 15 2007 09:43 AM

i think a lot of people are missing the point. 10 years ago, people were purchasing anti-skip portable cd players... now its all ipods. where is everyone going to be in 10 years when the next format change happens? you're just gonna have a lot of dated junk and having to replace your movie collection... again. i'm not sure why anyone felt the need to move to another disk format if they had been paying attention to the trend in music. and i think microsoft's intentions have always been clear if anyone has ever watched any of their product presentations. right now i use movielink.com, but i cant wait for the day that they perfect the download package so that you also get some extras with the movie.

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Baltham writes:
on Dec 16 2007 12:44 AM

I was initially in the blu-ray camp. However, I hate DRM, and believe that the less of it, the better for all consumers. (I've never seen a DRM scheme that even made the high-end commercial piracy operations blink, much less slow down or stop. It only hurts honest end users. Ditto the DMCA.) HD-DVD has less DRM, and doesn't have what is probably the most obnoxious DRM out there--regional encoding. That's enough for me to switch favorites. And I've heard rumours that some movies are being released in other countries in HD-DVD format that are blu-ray only in the US...not sure of the truth of that last bit, however. If true, though, to me that gives HD-DVD a clear edge.

Oh, and I'm one of those best buy guys, although not one of the home theater ones...but I've worked with a couple of guys who I'd put up against anyone on the planet for knowledge of this stuff. (Although only a couple, admittedly!) And funny thing was, they generally had no preference in the two formats.

I'm kinda suprised the whole DRM thing didn't come up before now.

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Superpants writes:
on Dec 16 2007 08:59 AM

Michael Bay is retarded...Just watch any of his movies.

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Vortaine writes:
on Dec 16 2007 11:07 PM

Right... So am I one of the only ones here (not saying I am the ONLY one) who actually checks sales for the next gen consoles?

http://nexgenwars.com/

Bam.

The Wii is 'winning', however, while it offers innovation and a great selection of first party and casual games, I have a feeling it won't have the longevity of the 360 or the PS3. With extremely weak online, no dvd features of any kind, and graphics that are outstripped (Metroid Prime 3 IS nice looking however), it offers a dim long term prospect.

The Xbox 360 is just a better system to own, really. And for all you that are like 'X number of people I know play Y system more.' says nothing. Look at the libraries. While yes the Xbox 360 has been out a year longer, compare titles in a similar timespan. The 360 just has better games. It has 2 worthwhile exclusives (3 including upcoming ones) and those are Resistance Fall of Man, Rachet and Clank: Future, and MGS Guns of the Patriots.

Compare that to Bioshock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Ace Combat 6... Xbox 360 is a monster with its library. Add Xbox Live (which, while isn't free (oh cmon, 4 bucks roughly a month) but is far more robust and user friendly) and if you play online games the PS3 just can't compare!

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/gamegurus/thisweek/

Don't believe me? Go there.

Anyways, the PS3 is just an over glorified BluRay player, which is considerably more expensive than HD-DVD. You really won't notice the quality, and the fact that, in all honesty, digital downloads ARE the way to go. Like someone else said, people don't care about resolutions, because ipod and zune downloads are as popular as ever.

Eat your blue, bleeding heart out PS3 and BluRay while I go fragging on Halo 3, saving little sisters and bashing big daddies on Bioshock, and chainsawing locusts into bloody ribbons on Gears of War.

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vallejo_7o7 writes:
on Dec 18 2007 07:43 PM

not to sound like a dick, but i will make this simple point on HD DVD. If HD DVD have been doing 1080p, as one person once mentioned, then why did it debut with COMPONENT connections not HDMI? any person with basic audio video knowledge should know that component cables are not capable of 1080p. my point in this was that Blu ray is better, but a little. as far as HD DVD offering more of an "next-gen experience," that is interesting. the reason i say that because 2 years ago, HD DVD was just like a regular DVD but in HD. whereas Blu ray, at the same time, Blu ray already had the "pop up menu" and all that other interactive movie stuff. what it is happening is that HD DVD is always a step behind Blu ray. thats why i said i like Blu ray over HD DVD. nobody should like a copy cat. im not trying to make this a big deal, but please, do challenge me again.

and the more i think about (HD DVD vs. Blu ray when dealing with Transformers) if michael bay (a fool for eye candy and loud noises over good film making) wants Blu ray, then Blu ray must have something over HD DVD. logically thinking without any technology thinking, there is prolly a difference. otherwise he wouldn't so upset. if the man wants blu ray, then he want blu ray, stop crying about HD DVD.

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highspeedcjb writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:19 PM

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This comment is completely false and totally full of crap. Blu Ray is the best thing I have seen on a tv screen, since I saw my first dvd. It is in FACT much stronger than hd dvd or dvds....THOSE are flimsy and very breakable... I mean everything this guy has said is completely false.
Sad....that soooo many xbox owners and microsoft whores are in denial...

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highspeedcjb writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#1335163)
This comment is completely false and totally full of crap. Blu Ray is the best thing I have seen on a tv screen, since I saw my first dvd. It is in FACT much stronger than hd dvd or dvds....THOSE are flimsy and very breakable... I mean everything this guy has said is completely false.
Sad....that soooo many xbox owners and microsoft whores are in denial...

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RainNIU writes:
on Jan 04 2008 09:24 AM

I'm waiting for some Apple fanboys to show up to this thread.

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blake_mooney writes:
on Mar 02 2008 01:41 AM

In reply to this comment (#1335145)
That was f_cking BRILLIANT! LMFAO!!!

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blake_mooney writes:
on Mar 02 2008 01:45 AM

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HAHAHAHA NICE!

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blake_mooney writes:
on Mar 02 2008 01:45 AM

In reply to this comment (#1335341)
First of all, moron, 99% of Sony's are TRASH. Playstation 2 anyone...?

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Namtopia writes:
on Aug 27 2008 04:31 PM

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LOL

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