Romanticizing an intimate relationship that leaves bruises and scars is a particularly terrible idea in a film aimed at girls. Talking about this is tiresome, but then so is putting it in the movie.
they are making the movies based on the BOOKS! just because teen or even pre-teen girls are falling in love with the movies does not mean they should change the movie. Besides the book is 100 times more graphic and I bed every mother out there let there daughter read it without reading it first. The movie actually doesn't even come close to how descriptive the book was.
Nov 18 - 06:24 AM
How is it a defense of the movie to say that the book was worse? It doesn't make the movie any more acceptable.
Nov 20 - 01:16 AM
You say in the beginning of your review that and i quote, "Romanticizing an intimate relationship that leaves bruises and scars is a particularly terrible idea in a film aimed at girls. Talking about this is tiresome, but then so is putting it in the movie..." i believe you're mistaken. if you have never read the books and have a child under the age of 8, then i can see this. but for us, twiligters, this movies is more than what you think. for instance, this was a book series to starts and evidently you haven't read it. the book is a million times more graphics and you might wanna read it before slamming the series and making us twilighters angry.
Nov 18 - 06:37 AM
I think romantisizing an abusive relationship is wrong to, and I've read these books. What's with the hate for a critic who doesn't like domestic abuse?
Nov 18 - 07:38 AM
If your only defense of the movie is "It's not as graphic about it as the book" that doesn't make the undertones of domestic abuse any less noticeable.
That just means the film makers knew they couldn't sell this with an "R" rating.
Nov 18 - 09:26 AM
I completely agree with Nick D's point - if that's your only defense it just proves the critic's original point. YES I've read all the books and seen the movies, and I think it's fine if all these grown women want to read/watch this crap. BUT Stephanie Meyers wrote this with a much younger intended audience. It doesn't matter if Edward is supposed to be a fictional character or not, 12 year old girls are now thinking that their BFs should sparkle, and that it's ok to get bruises from them...
Nov 18 - 10:45 AM
The fact that it glorified a woman getting bruised to bits by her man is a horrible message to send to people.
Oh but it doesn't matter because they're in love. She should make a sequel where Edward gets sent to prison.
Nov 18 - 11:24 PM
You want a better defense of the movie? Fine, I'll give you one.
I absolutely loathe when reviewers insist that "girls" can't make decisions for themselves and have brains of their own, which is much more demeaning to me than your idea that we will surely be "brainwashed" by the "bruises and scars". Are you kidding me?
Seriously. Does no one realize that this is a fictional movie? Not only that, but Edward is a non-human, super-natural vampire with superstrength, therefore I don't understand how you can put him on any level of comparison with domestic violence. It's not comparable at all.
People love to over-analyze the crap out of these movies and find a "hidden message" of evil aimed at "girls", but it's really just a love story.
Nov 18 - 09:46 AM
I agree with you to an extent. I think this reviewer is taking a Pop culture phenomenon waaaay to seriously but I don't think this reviewer should be criticized for having concerns about very real issues.
Bella says It's fine it's fine..just like so very many young girls and older women say when being abused mentally and physically. That's what's rubbing this reviewer the wrong way. Abuse is never Okay. That's a noble admirable attitude to have even if it comes across as over analytical. That's all I'm saying.
Nov 18 - 09:54 AM
Yes, but it's taking a HUGE leap to say that this movie has "domestic abuse" in it. A very huge leap -- it's almost like the reviewer is grasping at straws to find something to pick at.
I'm not saying abuse is okay, of course it's not, but it's totally irrelevant to this movie, that's all.
Nov 18 - 10:07 AM
And do the morons crawling out of the cave to defend the pathetic series realize that idiotic girls take this seriously? They want that relationship, and if you've ever met anyone who's been physically or mentally abused you will realize its no walk in the park.
When a book has underlying themes of an emo abusive controlling dominant man in a relationship, what the hell do you expect? Make all the excuses you want, doesn't make my points untrue.
Nov 19 - 11:15 PM
Teenage girls are one segment of society that has very little connection to reality. Everybody involved with the books and the movies are shameless hacks who try to make millions of dollars out of teenage girls' hormonal confusion.
And Sally W, you are the kind of female who take female empowerment several centuries back.
Girls need to be empowered and encouraged to respect themselves rather than be blinded by the romance crap. Because, this might come as news to you, millions of women all over the world (including the States) are abused on a daily basis.
The fact that you don't possess an ounce of intellectual capacity doesn't mean that all the girls should be like you.
Nov 24 - 08:01 AM
lol why do you critics even see a movie you know you are going to hate? it's funny because 28% of critics hated it, but 92% of the actual people who wanted to see it, loved it. pretty big gap if I do say so myself.
as far as your idea about the film basically romanticizing an abusive relationship - you're an idiot. you obviously haven't read the book or seen any of the other movies. he's a freaking vampire, not a wife beating romantic abuser ...
Nov 18 - 10:15 AM
Actually 75% of the critics hated it. The movie has a 28% rating because of the bad reviews, not because that's how many critics hated it. So, 75% compared with 92% isn't really that big of a difference at all.
I'm not a hater, but I thought you should know your math was WAY off.
Nov 18 - 10:26 AM
They're probably required to. It's their JOB.
Nov 18 - 10:31 AM
You're the idiot. You somehow don't understand that it's a movie critic's job to critique movies - all box office movies, not just the ones they think they'll like. You don't understand the rating system either.
Edward is very much an abusive partner, straight from movie and book one, which is one of the biggest complaints against Twilight (considering that this is a young adult series). Not all abuse is physical. Being a "freaking vampire" is not an excuse.
Nov 20 - 01:23 AM
Umm 27% rating... Which means 73% disliked it.
Oh I wasn't aware that all the fans/audience have more credibility than MOVIE CRITICS.
Nov 20 - 02:02 PM
It's a critics JOB to reviews movies you NITWIT. Also, to everyone saying the movies are based on BOOKS and that you HAVE to read the books to like it more and its all about the BOOKS. Well, im not sure if you noticed but this site is to review MOVIES. Doesn't matter if its a book, Harry Potter Book Series translated just fine into movies with a high rating, don't blame the critic blame the idiot who directed and wrote the script to this movie.
Nov 18 - 10:52 AM
You, my friend, hit the nail square on the head. and I think that brainwashed is exactly what the fans of these movies and books are. fans read the books say they are great then see the movie, and even though the movies are universally known to be shit, the fans say they are great and that the "objective" professional reviews of the movies are wrong. Nothing says brainwashed to me like a mass of people uniformly agreeing on a flawed idea. Mindless. Sheep.
Nov 18 - 11:31 AM
But, the thing is the books are even more terrible than the movies. That chick made millions being a completely awful hack of a writer who incorporates teenage girl feelings and dialogue in place of anything actually ever happening or being interesting. The descriptive vocabulary she employs is a list of about 20 words max. People who love these books don't know what real literature is, just like people who take these movies seriously are mentally deficient. I'll add that I am entertained by the movies, though, because they crack me up with their infinite craptasticness. It's like a 50-car pile-up I can't stop looking at.
Nov 24 - 10:04 AM
Re brusies: Maybe I've just had really good sex, but there's been plenty of times my lover and I have left superficial bruises and scratches on one another just from the passion of grasping and clawing at one another. I mean, what do you think a hickey is? Grab someone's arm or leg tightly and hold onto it for a few minutes in the throws of passion, yeah you're going to leave a harmless bruise. It's not like Edward beat Bella into submission he held onto her too tight during a night of passion. Further more he realized he had "harmed her" and vowed not to do it again and didn't until she simply took charge of him. Am I missing something on this front? Is it just me that thinks her having some minor bruises on her after a night of sex isn't out of the ordinary or all that terrible a "message?"
Nov 19 - 12:36 PM
I think I speak for everyone here when I say we don't wanna hear your gory sex details, middle-aged-dude-with-glasses. And people criticizing the material for having underlying themes of domestic abuse are talking about the entire relationship, not just the sex scene.
Nov 24 - 10:08 AM