Star Trek Into Darkness
As I Lay Dying
It all goes wrong just when it should go right.
No the series sucks. I'm sorry, this series should not even exist. Twilight has ruined vampires. At least Underworld gets it right.:P
Nov 19 - 01:56 AM
(WARNING: MASSIVE SERIES SPOILERS)
My problem with the series (read all the books including the Eclipse novella and saw the first three movies, will probably catch this on television) isn't what it did for vampires and werewolves but what it did for romance.
Bella's relationships with Edward and Jacob aren't healthy in the least; Edward comes across as semi-semi-semi-semi-semi-justified in being so overprotective of Bella because 1) she really is in as much danger as he says she is, and 2) she's ... not a very bright girl.
Jacob seems to miss the mark at once by an inch and a mile, because while his concern over Bella being so obsessed about a boy who cares for her but who (as he repeatedly reminds her) is dangerous for her is completely understandable, Jacob seems to refuse to let Bella make her own decisions, as much as it hurts him to watch.
For one of the previous movies, I recall one movie reviewer speaking of Bella as a 'strong woman' or some such who takes her sexuality into her own hands. Bella isn't in control of her sexuality; she's an absolute slave to it and to her own self-absorbed desires. I think Edward is the closest thing to a selfless romantic partner in this series, even if the execution sometimes comes across as awkward. It's amazing how Bella refuses to listen to the advice of her divorcee parents or even of her vampire friends who would have never chosen that life even as Bella wants to give up everything she has to be a vampire like Edward is, forever.
(WARNING: MASSIVE SERIES SPOILERS)
Nov 19 - 06:56 AM
And I apologize for the lack of paragraph breaks. I don't know what went wrong there.
Testing something, disregard this sentence.
Nov 19 - 06:57 AM
then u understood absolutely nothing from the saga!!!
you are criticizing the saga for the sake of criticism no more!
Nov 28 - 08:45 PM
What? How does his analysis of these unhealthy images about relationships aimed at young girls count as "understood absolutely nothing"? He's right on the mark. Bella is a weak and unsatisfying character that girls look up to everywhere. It's disturbing.
Nov 30 - 10:57 PM
Let me get this straigt...
Jacob doesn't want Bella to be with Edward because he's dangerous, obsessive, possessive, and will put her life in danger. His compromise is "Don't be with THAT asshole, be with me."
However; Jacob is a dangerous werewolf, who's possessive, doesn't like that Bella can make up her own mind, and he obsesses over her constantly, and being with her (if you see the scarred up chick that dates that other werewolf) is also dangerous. Her situation is fucked either way.
Twilight: The Story of a girl who has to choose between bestiality and necrophilia.
Feb 15 - 12:58 PM
This is so true :P
Oct 10 - 05:39 AM
Sir, while Underworld is cool it DOES NOT get it right. Since when are vampires a weak and slow underdog race?
Nov 19 - 05:15 PM
When they go up against werewolves.
Nov 22 - 09:30 AM
Feb 11 - 03:57 AM
Alex , you know enough about it to post a comment, how very lame
Feb 27 - 06:26 AM
i completely agree ... well at least we have The Hunger Games to help erase the thought of Twilights existence from recent memory
Mar 19 - 09:06 PM
I love what David Croneberg says about Rob:
" it's the journalist and the critics, who can be very nasty. I think, for me, you can't ignore the baggage"! Thank you David
Nov 19 - 05:48 AM
I bet you've never seen a David Cronenberg movie.
Nov 19 - 07:06 PM
And great job Misspelling his name!
Nov 19 - 07:07 PM
and I bet, you're a fanboy
Nov 20 - 02:29 PM
Of course, the same thing could be said about you and R-Pats.
Nov 20 - 06:06 PM
Lets not bring Cronenberg on the same Level as the pathetic Stefanie Meyer and that Roesenzwerg who made these Books into some twisted distorted threesome....Rosenberg should really quit her Job because the dialogs and the interaction she wrote in her scripts where the worst ..And this is why there are so many Haters. This woman twisted a perfectly fine Love story for Teenagers into a laughing Matter
Feb 7 - 02:41 PM
What is it about this series that makes everyone so vicious? It is rubbish material, I can't argue. But it's fun, unpretentious, and leaves some room for discussion regarding what it means to focus on self-absorbed teens playing at love as role models, vampires and werewolves aside. If you don't have any interest in the series or the characters, why spend your time berating others for their interest?
Nov 20 - 04:14 PM
Because it is bad for little girls to be exposed to this crap. This series teaches them that:
1. Pedophilia is okay as long as it's "true love" (as Jacob decides to "fall in love" with a freaking infant, who will be perpetually underage)
2. Being the slave to a highly abusive boyfriend who beats the living crap out of you is okay as long as he "only does it because he loves you so much".
3. To get your ex back you should repeatedly attempt suicide, then he'll magically realize he loves you and come back.
4. True "love" means stalking someone, standing over them while they sleep, beating them, etc.
5. It's okay for someone who is decades older than a teenage girl to have sex with her if he "loves" her. (Edward is 100+ years old. Soooo...imagine your grandfather banging a middle schooler).
This isn't some exaggerated attack on these novels, this is the flat-out plot. This is what it shovels in the faces of women.
This crap is going to create a generation of girls who think suicide attempts, abusive boyfriends, and pedophilia are "love".
Nov 20 - 08:42 PM
While I won't disagree with your summaries of any of those plot points (I did read all of the books and watch the three movies, and I will probably end up catching this and Part 2 on television at some point just so I can say I did), I honestly wonder if most of the series' criticisms are about its immoral plot, its treatment of vampires and werewolves (odd how the vampire sparkles really don't have a huge effect on the plot), or its general 'demeanor.'
Nov 20 - 10:10 PM
The first three movies*, excuse me.
Besides the fact that the plot is slow and pretty much doesn't exist throughout the series, there are little themes that are expressed. Such as, "the most important thing in life is to have a boyfriend" those are not exact words from the story but a brief summary of a blatantly obvious message. Bella is a high school girl and the only thing she focuses on is a love life and cooking dinner for her dad. Ask any girl/woman who's been through high school and we will tell you that yes sometimes having a man is important, but having friends, passing classes and for some getting into their ideal college are more significant. Pedophilia is another obvious message, one of the werewolves is in love with a TWO year old, and Jacob falls in love with Bella's newborn daughter.. if that isn't creepy I don't know what is!
Lastly, I criticise the stories for lack of common sense. The vampires have lived for hundreds of years, I'd expect them to be somewhat intelligent... They are not. For instance when Bella is pregnant and dying it takes them ages to figure out that a half vampire spawn requires blood..
Secondly they take planes, unless they're travelling at night the light would reveal them.
Lastly, in the last book they freak out about the Volturi arriving thinking that they will be killed. The Volturi take AGES to arrive to their settlement. And the cullens plan is to talk to them and show them that what they're doing is nothing to worry about. I mean a simple phone call or sending someone to talk to them should suffice. Yeah i get it, Meyer wanted to drag the story line on and on, but without a climax or battle in the story it made no sense to do what they did.
Nov 22 - 01:30 PM
again u r criticizing fro the sake of criticism!
u r just being shallow, u r just picking out the most substantial details and explaining them in the wrong manner. stop explaining because u r not up to it, leave the explanation for stephanie meyer
Nov 28 - 09:16 PM
"Criticizing for the sake of criticism"? This person is pointing out significant themes in the novels/films and explaining how these messages may be construed in the public eye, particularly by young, impressionable girls. If that's not worthy of criticism and discussion, then what is? There's nothing shallow about that comment, but attempting to discredit somebody's opinion simply because you don't like it IS shallow. If you disagree with the points they are making, why not offer a specific rebuttal so we know what exactly is wrong with this person's interpretation?
Nov 29 - 05:00 PM
I do understand the concerns raised in this post. However I don't think you have taken in the meaning of the imprinting process that the werewolves go through, this has nothing to do with pedophilia, Stephanie Meyers, explains this very well when Bella questions Jacob about the morel implications. This has nothing to do with sex or any sexual activity or need. There is no lust involved whatsoever. It is a process when two souls are connected, where the one will do just about anything to protect the other. I don't understand these posts, why do people feel the need to bash each other. If u don't like it then say so and visa versa, but don't berate others for there views. I personally am a huge fan of twighlight saga, am a woman and believe me this movie will never make me want to be a pedophile, kill myself, allow anyone to beat me ( which by the way I don't understand that reference in this post)
Dec 9 - 08:57 PM
Melissa Osburn Marhefka
here here. They only comment like that because they have no clue what they are talking about and are following what other non fans have said. I don't understand the childishness of having to talk bad about people for liking the movie. If they care so much about what other people like its pretty pathetic. I am also a twilight fan, and although there could have been better acting on Kristen Stewart's part the movies turned out good and were true to the book. And yes people that's a good thing. If you have not noticed, many movies don't stay true to the book and the fans of the book get upset about it.
Feb 27 - 01:58 AM
"This isn't some exaggerated attack on these novels, this is the flat-out plot. This is what it shovels in the faces of women. "
It is a MOVIE, not real life. If people act out what happened in a movie then that's their problem and their stupidity. You don't have to be a genius to not do what they do in a fantasy movie. A woman, or teenager, with half a brain would know this is not real life, this is not what happens in real life. Your #1 is completely wrong, its a spiritual bond, has nothing to do with sex at all.
#2 when does Edward ever beat Bella?
#3 She was not attempting suicide, she was taking risks in life so she could feel his presence.
#4 He doesn't stalk her, he protects her. He knows she will get into trouble and watches out for her. My husband has watched me when i sleep, i have watched him while he sleeps. Nothing creepy about loving to look at someone you love.
#5 as with ANY Vampire/Human love that has been in any show or movie in the history of Vampire/Human love, the Vampire IS always decades older. But i guess its not ok because its twilight and not Interview with a vampire.
Feb 27 - 02:23 AM
"It's a spiritual bond"
-Oh that makes it so much better. So when a 30 year old man comes up to you and says he has a "spiritual bond" with your 5 year old daughter, how are you going to react? You going to just let them go on a few dates?
"He doesn't stalk her"
-He breaks into her home while she's asleep and stands over her staring at her, without her knowledge. How are you going to feel when some dude breaks into your home and stands over your daughter all night long while pondering eating her. That going to be a comforting thought for you?
"This is ANY vampire story"
-No, it isn't. In most vampire tales the individuals are both adults. Maybe you're too young to realize this, but the difference between a 25 year old and an 16 year old, as far as maturity is concerned, is a massive gulf. The difference between a 30 year old and a 50 year old, however, is very small, almost non-existent.
We aren't dealing with too adults, we're dealing with someone who is as old as this girl's great-grandfather deciding to go to high school and date one of the underage, immature little brats.
It's not just absurd, it's extremely disturbing.
Or are you entirely a-okay with old men trolling high schools for underage girls? That's your idea of acceptable?
Mar 13 - 09:15 AM
Not to mention that young girls everywhere are being told that it is perfectly understandable to have no ambition or drive in life, drop out of school and not work as long as you marry a much older, rich man when you're barely legal and get pregnant way too young. Great advice :|
Oct 10 - 05:42 AM
My thoughts exactly. Why all the vitriol, people? It's a fantasy series; there are many series out there that could garner as much, or more, criticism. As for how Meyer portrays vampires, how about how numerous other authors do? There's no right or wrong portrayal because, well, they ARE NOT REAL.
The Twilight movies feel slapped together to make a quick buck off of fans of the books, and that's just wrong. Even if the books are not high-brow literature (for all you literature snobs out there), they are exciting stories with intriguing characters. It's a shame the movies are so bad that they give critics of the entire saga reason to belittle fans even more.
Nov 21 - 05:11 PM
OH PLEAAAASE, intriguing characters and plot my BUTT. Bella is portrayed as some Mary Sue character and when she moves to a new school everyone instantly wants to be her friend. Everyone thinks shes perfect and pretty even though she doesnt see the beauty in herself. AWW.
And of course she manages to woo the most unattainable/wanted guy in school, who by the way is actually like 100 years old.
And of course she also gets another hot guy to want her and the biggest crisis of her life is choosing the guy she wants. Oh plus all she does is whine about it.
Meanwhile you did happen to mention the genre of fantasy? Well guess what else is fantasy? Harry freakin Potter. You know what kind of problems he faced? He was orphaned because a mass murderer killed his parents. He also witnessed that very same person (and his followers) kill many of the people he loved. He also sacrificed himself so he could save other people. Bella has everyone around her do EVERYTHING for her. Shes dependent on her high school boyfriend and really inconsiderate of other people.
Dec 2 - 07:25 PM
Harry potter and Twilight may both be Fantasy movies but they cannot be compared. There are different types of fantasy and you can't compare them all the same. Its actually quite common for a new girl to go to school and her peers wanting to accept her and be her friend because she is pretty and likable but her not believing that, ever go to high school? Jr. high? They are likable characters to the people that LIKE them, hence why it has made millions of dollars. If it was such a horrible saga then why is it so liked?
Feb 27 - 02:29 AM
Big money grab for producers living off Twilight name from the pass series.
Basically too long and slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I mention slow? Intensely slow. Two hours was not needed to create this lackluster shallow movie.
Here is the movie in a nutshell: *****SPOILER ALERT***** Marriage and banging=50% pregnancy=45% and 5% action (yea you wait for what feels like 1hr into the movie for anything exciting to happen). Yep that was whole story line.
Luckily I got the tickets for free or I would have feel more disappointed paying to see this crap.
By the way I thought the other series were actually good and disagree with the critics in the past; however, I think the critics are right on this one.
Nov 20 - 07:08 PM
How do they have the courage to make something like Harry Potter did, making not one shitty, but two shitty parts of this movie??
I've seen some Twilight movies... they're teeerrible. It's impossible to believe that someone outthere actually think Taylor Lautner is a good actor, or that Kristen/Kirsten/who cares is ''totally awesome, omg''. This is just terrible amd embarassing... I'm just waiting people to forget this Twillight soap opera...
Nov 21 - 11:09 AM
i am surprised to see a harry potter fan act as so! (since harry's fans are very realistic with taste) there is no way that u could compare twilight to harry potter, different concepts different visions!
Nov 28 - 09:25 PM
yeah, no way you can compare them! If only we had some sort of movie review sight which compiled all the critics thoughts into a simple percentage which indicated whether or not a movie was good or bad...
Dec 7 - 07:39 PM
They are 2 completely different types of movies, you cannot compare them. That's like comparing cinderella with horton hears a who. come on now.
Feb 27 - 01:54 AM
She did'nt compare it in content, but in the way the want to follow the steps of Harry Potter, in spliting the final movie in 2, the problem is that the HP´s story is actually a good one, with great storyline and terrific acting and direction, while this crap is not less than a love story for creeps, with bad acting and TERRIBLE direction.
Apr 15 - 04:29 PM
And yet they totally stole the concept of making 2 movies out of one book from Harry Potter. Except Breaking Dawn could fit in a half hour if you want it to be normal-paced, 'cause it's so freaking slow.
Oct 10 - 05:46 AM
Twilight is a bad movie with a lot of fans. Now, if only they could make a good movie out of it, just imagine how much money it'll make! The fans will watch regardless of how good the movie is but they could get extra viewers who like good movies. Why can't they just make a good movie?
Nov 21 - 12:51 PM
I agree with you. Would it hurt to put in something interesting for the boyfriends who were dragged/forced/coerced to enjoy?
Nov 21 - 08:19 PM
Dec 26 - 03:22 AM
Oh you mean like all the movies for men that show naked women all the time that guys drag their girlfriends to and have nothing for the women? uh huh
Feb 27 - 01:52 AM
the source material will never allow for such a movie
Nov 22 - 10:01 PM
If the source material wasn't so atrocious then that might be possible.
Mar 13 - 09:18 AM
just one more and the world wont have to deal with this horrible set of movies
Nov 22 - 08:30 AM
Nov 25 - 06:45 PM
Twilight sucks donkey ass
Nov 26 - 12:19 PM
First off, I have never read the books; I tried reading the first one and it was so sluggishly awful that I only got up to Chapter 4 before stopping. One of the biggest problems with the movie (Trust me, there are many, but this one is pretty bad.) is that most of the running time is just ridiculous preparations for events that basically lasted less than five minutes. For example, the beginning of the movie up until the wedding (~10 minutes) leading up to the wedding minus Bella's weird premonition that everyone would die at the wedding was about 7 minutes, not too bad. And, fuck, the whole damn series was leading up to the sex, which lasted about 3 minutes and was BORING BORING BORING. The fight between the Cullens and the werewolves was literally a minute and a half, and yet the whole movie the two sides were bickering endlessly. The birthing (Oddly enough, the most exciting part.) had a preparation that was almost HALF OF THE MOVIE, and THAT was only about 10 minutes. I think you get my point. I saw it for a good laugh, but if you want to see it for crappy dialogue that no one would so much WHISPER in real life, Kristen Stewart's attempts to act happy falling flat on it's ass, the whole catastrophe of wooden acting, and the shit special effects, that's OK, too.
Nov 27 - 11:49 AM
since u didn't read am surprised u r explaining details! HAHAHAHAHA thanks for proving my point!
u didn't read hence u haven't understood anything :D
Nov 28 - 09:28 PM
So he's wrong that the film is at least 80% filler?
Nov 29 - 08:54 AM
I am beginning to think you are mentally disabled. Attacking everyone who thinks the concepts involved in your precious series are terrible doesn't actually influnce anyone other that to reaffirm that Twilight nutjobs are indeed insane and have problems.
Dec 2 - 03:16 PM
you know what's funny? others, who explains EVERYTHING and they have a point, haven't undestood a thing about the series but you who have understood everything, you don't say what it is you've understood and what it is that others do not get.
Feb 7 - 09:26 AM
I read the books. All of them. Had a brain-dead few weeks. I'm not proud of it. But my point is, I read them, and I agree with him. And just because people don't agree with what you "got" out of the books doesn't mean they didn't understand them.
Oct 10 - 05:48 AM
to all the "boys" and "men" writing about other movies you are dumb and obviously have never read the books. We see movies that correspond to books. I'm sorry that you wasted your time seeing a chick flick for ages 14-25 -_-
Nov 28 - 09:10 PM
14-16, 40 - death.
Nov 29 - 01:11 AM
let's make it 75 - death. I think they'd have to be a lot older and more neurotic to enjoy it :|
Oct 10 - 05:49 AM
I know adult women who love this crap as well not just teen girls with self esteem issues, fyi. I know its not aimed at me but I would think even teens would have some taste and not care to see garbage on screen either. Frankly, I'd think real Twilight fans (those who have read the books) would be disgusted themselves with the absolute terrible acting in these films. They must like the stories but they are told so awfully on screen... I suppose attractive dudes cancels out having zero acting ability? (Abduction anyone?)
Nov 29 - 08:36 AM
The only terrible acting in this movie is by Kristen Stewart, she was bad in all the movies. Other than that it was good acting for the parts. And real Twilight fans, who have read the books, agree. If people don't like the movie fine, but don't put down the people that do like the movie. This is why i don't go to review sites to see if i am going to watch a movie, but instead choose to think for myself and watch it for myself and judge it for myself. Ya it could have been better if they had a different actress but it was good none the less.
Feb 27 - 01:47 AM
Hahahaha are you just chucking Robert's ABYSMAL acting to bad script then?
Oct 10 - 05:50 AM
You are saying that we should like this saga because it stayed loyal to the books. But you don't seem to understand that not the problem with it. For me the two biggest problems are Kristen Stewart and Taylor Lautner.
Nov 29 - 09:33 PM
As a 22-year-old female, I will never spend a penny on this dreck.
Dec 1 - 04:32 PM
Feb 27 - 01:50 AM
There was a slim chance that the directors of the Twilight films (especially this one) could take the movies in a whole different direction and move away from the books to make it an actual GOOD movie. Unfortunately, Twilight fans and Stephanie Meyer (who has been reported many times as someone who can't and won't take criticism, ignorant about researching before writing, and can't write worth a damn) don't want the movies to be different or transcend the books because they'll think the director is "messing up the story". That's why you get bad acting and bad dialogue like Bella and Edward arguing about stupid insignificant stuff. Even with the director Bill Condon (who has done some AMAZING movies) which is probably the best case scenario for this movie, it STILL sucked, because he couldn't change what he had to make it better.
Nov 29 - 02:02 PM
Being a chick flick doesn't excuse the crappiness of the movie. Or are Twilight fans really saying that all girls from 14-25 age cap are stupid, so movies meant for them have to be stupid too?
Not to mention Jacob falling in love to a baby, jesus christ Twilight-fans, you are creepy for liking pedophilia!
Dec 1 - 06:53 AM
Since this is actually come up several times by the opposing side, from the book AND the way the other characters who had already imprinted on people REGARDLESS of age, their is no pedophilia. Its a false accusation. WHAT IS going on is that "a protector" love and a family type of "love" !!!!NOTHING SEXUAL!!!!! its like saying if you love your Grandson you are a pedo-bear. I know twilight fans will not convince you to read the book, yes the movie doesn't YET!!!!!! explain more on the subject of this love. However nothing pedophilia is going on, do not use it as a con to twilight you can probably easily find something else like open-mouth-allllll-the-time-bella
Dec 10 - 04:29 AM
Thank you. Its really hard to criticize something when they don't know what they are talking about.
Feb 27 - 01:49 AM
Yes, but we all know that ultimately that "protector", "non-sexual" love is going to turn very sexual. So now think about what you're saying. He is the "non-sexual guardian angel" of a baby, that he will eventually want to bang. Does that sound heartwarming or normal to you??
Oct 10 - 05:54 AM