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Tomatometer Watch: Will Twilight: Eclipse Its Predecessors?

The Twilight Saga continues and we're tracking the film's early reviews.

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This Summer movie season has had its share of successes - Iron Man 2, Toy Story 3, and even surprise hit The Karate Kid have all fared well at the box office, but movie fans have known that the return of Stephenie Meyer's Twilight series had to be included in their predictions of the Summer's biggest hits at box office. With fan and critic screenings taking place long before the movie's release this week, the players involved in The Twilight Saga: Eclipse are not only up against an army of newborn vampires, but the expectations of a Summer box office that has lagged on finding enormous blockbusters, along with the unshakable expectations of fans (who we'll admit will end up seeing the movie anyway) who are already lining up to see the movie with a level of commitment that puts Black Friday sales to shame.

Twilight's first two chapters, Twilight (50%) and The Twilight Saga: New Moon (27%), have both finished with rotten Tomatometer scores. Even with the lukewarm critic reaction, the franchise has taken it to the bank with all the grace of a vampire-escorted glide through the forests of Forks, WA, with worldwide box office earnings of $392.5 million and $709.7 million, respectively. In fact, New Moon sits at #37 on the all-time worldwide box office list, above a list of films that includes Forrest Gump, Transformers, and not only Iron Man, but this Summer's Iron Man 2 as well. Though everyone knows that fans of the best-selling novels will "see it no matter what," early reviews are giving Eclipse the chance to become The Twilight Saga's best reviewed installment yet. We all know the box office numbers will be big, but based on Tomatometer, can Twilight: Eclipse its predecessors?

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Eclipse got off to a strong start this Monday, with three reviews, all of which were fresh. The reviews included one from Variety's Peter Debruge, who writes, "The pleasant surprise this time around is that the result finally feels more like the blockbuster this top-earning franchise deserves." He also notes that the film "feels the most cinematic of the series so far," with a shooting style that "gives things a more dynamic energy."

Twilighters often cite the idea that some people just don't "get it" when it comes to the franchise. Recognizing this idea, but noting that the movie still needs to stand on its own cinematic feet, Cole Smithey writes, "The latest installment of the Twilight franchise's teeny-bopper-vampire-werewolf-melodrama comes the closest so far to presenting an entertaining cinematic experience but still not close enough for uninitiated audiences." With the opinion that the film is the best of the series so far, The Hollywood Reporter's Kirk Honeycutt writes, "It took three films, but The Twilight Saga finally nails just the right tone in Eclipse, a film that neatly balances the teenage operatic passions from Stephenie Meyer's novels with the movies' supernatural trappings."

Though The Boston Globe's Wesley Morris was underwhelmed with the film, he places it in the context of this Summer season. "In a season of lobotomized action spectacles, watching three teenagers - one of whom happens to be as old as the hills - prattle for two long hours about their feelings is noble." Looking at the series as a whole, he categorizes them this way, "If the first two movies were 'get a room,' part three is 'get a therapist.'" Calling the film, "more of the same," USA Today's Claudia Puig notes, "The huge contingent of girls - and women with girlish fantasies - who liked the first two movies will doubtless enjoy Eclipse. But this third go-round won't make Twihard converts of the rest of us."

Caveating his review with the fact that he liked the first two Twilight films, Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune bemoans, "Already, Eclipse has garnered notices praising it as the best and most action-packed of the three. Which I don't understand. For me it's the most ponderous and most sloppily directed, and by far the most deadening when the dramatic necessity known as 'talking' must be confronted, in between battles." Despite the increased action, he says, "More happens in Eclipse than in the previous Twilight zone, New Moon, and yet it's duller."

As reviews keep coming in, be sure to check back here and on The Twilight Saga: Eclipse's page for the latest Tomatometer updates, clips, and pictures for what promises to be one of the year's biggest blockbusters. And if you're unfamiliar with the gang from Forks, be sure to check out our Twilight Character Guide, which will get you caught up on the Saga in time for Tuesday's midnight screenings.

So take your best guess in our poll below: will Twilight: Eclipse its predecessors?
Drew G.

Drew G. on 06-29-2010 12:35 PM

Anyone below who has positive things to say about Twilight is a complete retard. That is all

KJ Cassidy

KJ Cassidy on 06-29-2010 12:46 PM

That was actually pretty clever, man!

HokieSkipper

HokieSkipper on 06-29-2010 12:48 PM

Nice, man. I laughed.

Cassidy M.

Cassidy M. on 07-2-2010 12:53 AM

anybody who hates twilight and has decided to come here is a retard. TwiHaters are the weirdest ppl if they decide to walk around looking for it. shows how much you hate it.....

Jonathan Edward O.

Jonathan Edward O. on 06-29-2010 12:44 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhhaHAHAHAHAHAH NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Cappy

Cappy on 06-29-2010 12:45 PM

lol@Drew. I would much rather spend a couple hours watching the Twilight movies than to suffer through the books personally. How poor writing evolved into something so big is beyond me.

Anne O.

Anne O. on 06-29-2010 07:49 PM

Word. I read Twilight one time and then resolved myself not to plague my neurons with such drivel ever again...

HokieSkipper

HokieSkipper on 06-29-2010 12:49 PM

The title of this article should read, "Can a Blind Squirrel Find a Nut?"

TheHolder

TheHolder on 06-30-2010 12:07 AM

LOL truth

Og Gorrilaking

Og Gorrilaking on 06-29-2010 12:58 PM

Twilight - Single-handedly killing the vampire genre.

dj Mark

dj Mark on 06-29-2010 01:05 PM

Not as long as True Blood is on the air.

The.Watcher

The.Watcher on 06-29-2010 02:18 PM

Thank you!
I don't see what people like about True Blood, either.

Me on a Website

Me on a Website on 06-29-2010 03:04 PM

Both are below average.

joseph z.

joseph z. on 06-29-2010 06:41 PM

True Blood is awesome. Say what u want about Twilight, they f'ing suck, but True Blood is one of the most entertaining shows on television. The dialogue, the acting, the characters, and everything about the show is awesome. As far as twicrap ruining vampire flicks, it may be true as far as movies go. Daybreakers was really good but it didn't do to good at the box office.

Luvagoo

Luvagoo on 06-30-2010 05:34 AM

Wrong.
True Blood is 120% fantastic.

dj Mark

dj Mark on 06-30-2010 08:51 AM

Sorry, my comment was misunderstood... The vampire genre is alive and well BECAUSE True Blood is on the air. Let's not even try to put it in the same camp as Twilight, K?

Brad R.

Brad R. on 07-1-2010 08:40 AM

I agree, I can't see what all the hype of True Blood is either. On the subject of Twilight I'll say what I've been saying since the first one; regardless of how luke warm the series is, I can still make a list of films as long as my arm that are worse. Much worse. :- S

Brendon D.

Brendon D. on 06-29-2010 04:11 PM

I Have been saying the same thing for awhile, and i only watch it through commercials

thankfully Daybreakers gave me a bit of light that Vampires will come back to their glory, once twilight is dead and gone

Brad R.

Brad R. on 07-1-2010 08:43 AM

Daybreakers was still pretty poor.Started off promising and then gave up after 25 minutes- just another great idea spoilt. :- S

Throw An Onion

Throw An Onion on 06-29-2010 07:53 PM

Nosferatu will make a cameo in the final twilight film and kill Edward with the master sword, slap Kristen Stewart around till she makes some good career decisions, and send Taylor Lautner forward in time to when he'll be working at a gay strip club so those of us in the present don't have to suffer through all the gimmicky flicks he's arbitrarily placed in for the next two years.

ZenFan

ZenFan on 06-29-2010 01:06 PM

Wouldn't suprise me if it goes onto fresh territory and I wouldn't mind if it did quite frankly. I'll be seeing this tomorrow. Final I'm guessing will be in the 61-70% range

Floor Man

Floor Man on 06-29-2010 01:27 PM

Seriously? Eight people think the Tomatometer will be above 91%? (...Maybe they're just f-ing around...hopefully.)

alexrock727

alexrock727 on 06-29-2010 02:07 PM

It's more funny to saw that 16 people think the movie will get a 100 %

sarcasticspaz

sarcasticspaz on 06-29-2010 01:44 PM

I don't understand how some critics seem to be giving it positive reviews because it's an improvement over the first two. Does that warrant a recommendation? I guess I didn't realize that Twilight is it's own genre and there are no other films other than the first two to compared it to.

Ashron

Ashron on 06-29-2010 07:05 PM

A movie should not be compared to other movies. Every film should be judged on its own merits.

That being said, I sure as hell won't be seeing Eclipse.

Matt L.

Matt L. on 06-29-2010 01:50 PM

the movies would be much better if kristen steward didn't act like a zombie and robert pattinson didn't look like he'd been constipated for the past 100 years. how those 2 got cast is beyond me.

August M.

August M. on 06-29-2010 02:05 PM

Agree, well only for Kristen Stewart. Those two remind me of Anakin and Padme, except I have more fun watching the Prequel Trilogy.

Brian B.

Brian B. on 06-29-2010 04:54 PM

Did you just compare Star Wars with Twilight?

rizzyh

rizzyh on 06-29-2010 06:29 PM

Ahem, Star Wars "Prequel" to Twilight

And yeah, if the forced romance fits

August M.

August M. on 06-29-2010 08:47 PM

You can compare Star Wars with Twilight; Star Wars is great, and Twilight is not.

Alexson Philip

Alexson Philip on 06-29-2010 02:08 PM

i dnt hate twilight but the first one was terrible. its the only on i watched and it was becuase i got forced to. im pretty confident that this twilight will stay from the 40%-59% or in other words ROTTEN. it may be an improvement from the previous films, as it is directed by DAVID SLADE who made HARD CANDY a pretty darn good creepy film. but its not his fault if the source aka the books are terrible. and they are as all of them except the first were given mixed reviews. unlike HARRY POTTER which have all recieved from generally positive to critical acclaim. so i dont know why the *** twihard fans say that twilight is better then harry potter...ITS NOT. get it into your fukin heads alright.

Mievie M.

Mievie M. on 06-30-2010 10:30 AM

:oo you two? haha, I am anticipatin INCEPTION the most of them all. Waited 8 months. haha . I enjoy movies like these :)

The.Watcher

The.Watcher on 06-29-2010 02:19 PM

This movie is gonna suck. hehehe lame puns, I love you.

Throw An Onion

Throw An Onion on 06-29-2010 08:54 PM

All their efforts to make a good Twilight film are in vein.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-29-2010 02:38 PM

If supposing the third does exceed expectations, does this mean that in order for me to see this third that I have to watch the other two, is what should've been asked here!

xwadewilsonx

xwadewilsonx on 06-29-2010 02:50 PM

First off, I saw the trailer for this. The whole vampires coming out of the water thing, is exactly like Pirates of The Carribean.

Second off, I just can't quite grasp the concept of how these movies have such a cult following. The books were lame and the movies were worse. Whatever, It's probably going to get the most money this summer.

cornelius fucklebutt

cornelius fucklebutt on 06-30-2010 02:36 AM

Reminded me of the zombies coming out of the water in Romero's "Land of the Dead".

Daniel S.

Daniel S. on 06-29-2010 03:00 PM

Skipping this waste of film and gonna see 'Airbender' instead...I have nothing good to say about Twilight at all...Except the film series will be over 3/5 of the way done after this one...

THEREWOLF

THEREWOLF on 06-30-2010 03:21 PM

Hate to say it, but I have to agree with Stunner. Try basing your opinion on a film on actually watching the film. Lots of smack is talked on this site about movies that are in production or are about to be released. What if any of you who hate Twilight, were dragged to this movie and actually enjoyed it? It's possible, everyone has their guilty pleasure. Not hating on anyone, just saying you should see a movie before you talk smack

Brad R.

Brad R. on 07-1-2010 08:46 AM

Agreed. :- 1

Jason B.

Jason B. on 07-1-2010 08:50 PM

Lol Airbender was HORRID! It's funny that you're skipping this insisting it's crap to go see the biggest sh*t storm this year... well one of them anyways. Dammit Jonah Hex. XP

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 03:03 PM

the hatred towards this twilight thing is stupid and borderline disgusting.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-29-2010 03:15 PM

And you've hated anything that you saw in your life!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 03:17 PM

what?

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-29-2010 03:25 PM

Just sayin' you've never hated anything you saw in your life that you wouldn't say nothing- I really highly doubt it very much! That if the mass majority says it's a bad film that you would find something good about it regardless of what it is! And besides that, some actually love the Twilight films is solely because of the "actors" not even mentioning the story or it's content!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 03:42 PM

nothing to do with that. the hatred towards twilight is a prejudiced hatred, with nothing to justify it. i, at least, have trouble considering why someone would hate such a harmless franchise, as if they were the worst books and movies ever produced or as if millions of girls loving it could pose as a threat of some kind. it's not like anyone is out there hating '300' which is a much worse and more offensive movie than any of the twilight things.

in fact, 'ishtar' is a film many people hate, but some critics find in it an accurate commentary on america's view of the world. so i guess it's possible to say something good about something which is almost universally disliked.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-29-2010 04:12 PM

I don't seem to see it that way since not one person had gotten his or her life taken away as a result of hating any of the Twilight films but it's intended audience is mostly to females and to those other females who haven't even read any of the books! When people say that they hate the films is like saying you don't like eating cabbage!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 07:26 PM

i don't think she's just saying "i don't like cabbage".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6Mzd8mJ1I&feature=related

dj Mark

dj Mark on 06-30-2010 08:56 AM

Stunner, you should read Drew McWeeny's review of Eclipse on Hitfix. He gives intelligent, concise reasons for why the Twilight series deserves its fair share of hatred.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 07-2-2010 11:02 AM

The Stunner
Look, if people are going to see someone say "the hatred towards this twilight thing is stupid and borderline disgusting." people are immediately going to think that you mean the people on this forum or on other RT chosen headlines. You never said that you meant that "disgusting" comment was intended to be about "Youtube"! Which is like two different sites, I mean if you're going to include Twilight haters on youtube with rottentomatoes than you should also look at all the Star Wars haters as well!
While watching the news there is also a "hate Justin Bieber" website, do you go and visit that as well!

waggaga1

waggaga1 on 06-29-2010 05:52 PM

Come on, man.. The hypocrisy attitude is getting old. ;/

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 07:23 PM

what hypocrisy? you might want to elaborate. that is, if you know the meaning of the word, which is doubtful.

waggaga1

waggaga1 on 06-29-2010 07:59 PM

Now you're acting like you're better than me... Dick.

waggaga1

waggaga1 on 06-29-2010 08:05 PM

Right now my definition of hypocrisy is leaving "stupid and borderline disgusting" comments when they are unnecessary and bitching at others not do so.

You're an ******* and a dick. Go **** yourself.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 08:18 PM

calling me names? MEOW!!
hypocrisy actually means the act of not believing the views one promotes, or not possessing the virtues one claims to have, so i guess i was right in assuming you didn't know the meaning. it's not me who's being better than you, it's you who's being a victim of your own ignorance. what's the next insult?

Taylor A.

Taylor A. on 06-29-2010 09:49 PM

Yikes! I'm 2.7 miles from the nearest theatre, it's 11:50, and I can hear the screams!

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 11:06 AM

The Stunner

I don't really know what dictionary you've been reading but I use the Funk and Wagner's dictionary and your definition of "hypocrisy" is different than what you have stated on your "Jun 29 2010 8:18 PM" comment- according to this dictionary word for word It is "The pretense of having feelings or characteristics one does not possess; especially, the deceitful assumption of praiseworthy qualities; insincerity." So my intepretation of hypocrisy is more like a contradiction is when one cares about people slamming other films when it's okay for you to slam other films you don't like yourself to other films you don't even like. So the question is this, why is it okay for you to put down other films and others can't- it just sounds like a double standard from my point of view! And I know that their must be films that you have hated!

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 11:10 AM

What I mean is you don't mind putting down other films but just not "Twilight" and the reason is...

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 12:27 PM

dave j., what's the matter? (the definition is the same, and i didn't take it from a dictionary)
to simply reply: i don't like many movies (the 1st twilight included), and i don't mind if people don't like movies. what i do mind is the mindless hatred they feel against twilight (and the hatred they don't feel against other things they dislike). you could ask someone about, for example, one of the 'scary movie' films and they would say "I don't like it", whilst you can ask someone about twilight and they would say "I FUKCING HATE TWILIGHT!!" for no valid reason whatsoever. you will probably never hear me saying something like that about anything.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 01:11 PM

The Stunner
But what you're saying is that you've never hated anything in your life!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 01:28 PM

dave j., i hate whatever is reasonable to hate. you know, like murderers and pedophiles. but if you ask me if i HATE a movie or a book or anything of the sort, like the people who HATE twilight, then i would say no. why would i be so angry about such banal things?
did i make my point clear?

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 01:42 PM

the Stunner
I mean I've read and heard movie critics hating films enough to walk out of the theatre as well as others trying to get their money returned and they would express how much they hated something even if it includes alot of four letter words! Also it is only interpreted by you that some are Twilight haters but are really not, maybe all their trying to do, is be sarcastic! But if someone really hates something, it would have to be to an "extreme' sense but to express it online I don't see much wrong with that, especailly to a film which was rated so poorly!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 02:12 PM

CHRIST!
for the last time: hate passionately whatever you want as long as you can rightly justify why something is so disgusting.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 03:56 PM

the Stunner
"the hatred towards this twilight thing is stupid and borderline disgusting."

I'd appreciate it if you would point out some of these examples of this "hatred" which you would classify as stupid and borderline disgusting!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 09:51 PM

is this a joke, dave j.?

this video and all of the related ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6Mzd8mJ1I&feature=related

Throw An Onion

Throw An Onion on 06-29-2010 08:51 PM

The Stunner be trollin' again.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-29-2010 09:35 PM

because i didn't say twilight is awful and instead said the people who hate it for no reason are? right...

Throw An Onion

Throw An Onion on 06-30-2010 12:53 PM

Because you're purposely inciting innocent users to anger in order to get in an argument. That's trollin' buddy.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 01:07 PM

oh, so to say that twilight is a "waste of film" is ok, but to say something bad about the people isn't ok? how intellectually basic of you.
i should really be glad and consider it a compliment, because then it means it's so easy to control reactions.

Throw An Onion

Throw An Onion on 06-30-2010 05:22 PM

I never said Twilight was a waste of film and (if you'll take the time to notice) haven't said anything negative about Twilight on this wall. Based on your first comment "the hatred towards this twilight thing is stupid and borderline disgusting." and the following debate you had with Dave J I drew the conclusion (based on the fact that your debate was somewhat spiteful in nature) that you were trolling. Granted I jumped to this conclusion rather rapidly and thus I will withdraw any claims I made that you were a troll, I will however stand by my first statement that you were, in fact, trolling. Whether you meant for your first comment to come off that way or not isn't relevant, it came out as a trollish comment and you've started an entire wall posting war over it Now this is obviously more of a Twilight thread and since I have no interest in debating that subject so I'll end my discussion here. Thank you and goodnight.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 09:58 PM

that is so stupid in so many ways that i won't even take the time defending myself.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 10:05 PM

dave j., is that a joke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6Mzd8mJ1I&feature=related
this video and all of the related videos.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 07-2-2010 11:10 AM

The Stunner
Look, if people are going to see someone say "the hatred towards this twilight thing is stupid and borderline disgusting." people are immediately going to think that you mean the people on this forum or on other RT chosen headlines. You never said that you meant that "disgusting" comment was intended to be about "Youtube"! Which is like two different sites, I mean if you're going to include Twilight haters on youtube with rottentomatoes than you should also look at all the Star Wars haters as well! I just want to point something out here, that if you look anywhere online I'm sure there are as many "Twilight haters" as any other popular films regardless of what it is, if you're willing to look hard enough whether it'll be "Batman" or any of the "Ring" films BUT right now it just happens to be "Twilight: Eclipse" since it's one of the new releases, okay!
While watching the news there is also a "hate Justin Bieber" website, do you go and visit that as well!

waggaga1

waggaga1 on 06-29-2010 09:12 PM

Did you just ****ing meow at me?

Jonathan Edward O.

Jonathan Edward O. on 06-29-2010 10:44 PM

You just love trolling and pissing people off don't you?

Bharat N.

Bharat N. on 06-30-2010 03:31 AM

How can this be trolling? Hes expressing his opinion and I agree with them. Twilight was pathetic but it was much better than 300 or transformers.
But, RT members are themselves trolls who consider everyone not agreeing with them is one.

dj Mark

dj Mark on 06-30-2010 09:00 AM

Perhaps one can avoid the label of Troll by wording one's thoughts differently. Instead of characterizing the Twilight hatred as "stupid" and "disgusting" one could say that one doesn't understand or agree with the hatred. Troll is as Troll does.

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 11:44 AM

I agree!

Dave J.

Dave J. on 06-30-2010 11:46 AM

Especailly if the comment is directed at films and not to the actual person making the comment!

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 12:51 PM

dj mark, don't get me wrong. it's perfectly ok to hate whatever one wants to hate. as long as someone provides valid reasons for the hatred, that is, and that's something the millons of people that hate it can't do. hence me thinking it's disgusting and stupid. if stating my sentiments as they are, instead of smoothing them down and making them flat, makes me a troll, then i guess i have no choice in the matter.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 01:02 PM

while i'm a troll for expressing my opinion about the people that mindlessly hate twilight, by saying that, dj mark, are you also saying that whoever characterizes twilight itself as "stupid" and "disgusting" is also a troll? or is there a pivotal difference between the 'people' or the 'film' as a target for the opinions?

dj Mark

dj Mark on 06-30-2010 01:16 PM

Actually I would characterize that kind of language as trolling. There is plenty of it to go around here. So not meaning to single you out.

Helge B.

Helge B. on 06-30-2010 07:18 AM

With close to 400 reviews written, 450 films rated and a fairly imposing list of all-time favorites, The Stunner is hardly a troll.

I'm pretty sceptical about Twilight and the hype surrounding it as well, and I believe any of these girls / women attracted by it would be better off reading, for example, a good King novel, with strong and truthful female characters like Carrie, Dolores Claiborne, or Rose Madder. But then again, I'm not a woman, and I like me some simple minded, testosterone-injected, male fantasy 80's action flick anytime myself, so who am I to judge?

I can't tell whether Twilight, with all its deep-down conservative handling of gender and sexual issues, is really as harmless in the long run as The Stunner claims, but all this one-dimensional bashing here never adresses this inherent controversy but merely just plain mirrors the fanatism most of you guys are so fed up with.

Oh and waggaga1, you might want to reconsider that Banksy profile pic, because this dude's certainly not out there jumping the bandwagon with cheap name calling and false definitions.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 01:17 PM

after posting the comment, i also remembered the supposed "anti-feminism" that people have accused twilight of having, but it doesn't seem something to get much worked up over, considering there is much more "dangerous" material out there. excellent response, helge.

The Stunner

The Stunner on 06-30-2010 01:20 PM

but yeah, twilight is not COMPLETELY harmless.

waggaga1

waggaga1 on 06-30-2010 02:09 PM

Nah, man.

I don't care about Banksy, I'n just using it for the anarchy.

Helge B.

Helge B. on 06-30-2010 06:13 PM

Fair enough then;)

Bill

Bill on 07-1-2010 09:56 AM

The hatred it gets is justified. The thing is people don't understand why a poorly written book earned so many crazy fans, and why fairly poor films can make so much money, get so hyped up in the media, and get completely over publicised and overexposed and milked for all the money it's worth. People don't like that a movie franchise gets such a huge following largely because of the "hot" young men that "act" in it, and the majority of people that read or watch it are teenage girls who only do so because of the media attention and because they've seen their peers doing so. They also don't like that the movies have completely changed how the young generation view vampires - they are now bloodless, fangless, and all that happens when they go out in the sun is.. they sparkle. It is also giving werewolves a bad names. Finally, the screaming fangirls are somewhat annoying.

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST on 06-29-2010 03:20 PM

The part of them coming out of the water is a rip-off of a fairly recent Romero film, where the zombies finally decide to walk through the water.

So, yah, it may be the best TWILIGHT film, if it can successfully rip off decent aspects of previous films. . . I expect NOTHING original whatsoever.

bigbrother

bigbrother on 06-29-2010 04:37 PM

Come on Tom, that's a weak criticism. Just because other films have used a bit doesn't mean it's their exclusive property. If you want to play that game then all these movie's are ripping off old Sinbad the Sailor movies. It makes perfect sense that vampires who don't need to breath or feel cold would walk thru the water instead of using a bridge.

Never fails to surprise me how fanboys will turn against anything that's not specifically catered to them but would rip your head off if you dared to criticize one of their sacred cows. It's all very Shakespearian, sound and fury signifying nothing. The fanboys will rage, the twi-hards will praise and the world will continue to spin.

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST on 06-29-2010 05:18 PM

Meh,

I haven't been on much of a roll lately. This summer, even with some films being good, is pretty much the worst I remember as far as films I like. . .

Only one that kind of blew me away or has excited me this whole year has been Kick-Ass. . .

bigbrother

bigbrother on 06-29-2010 06:38 PM

I've had slightly better luck, I've enjoyed How to Train Your Dragon, Toy Story 3, Iron Man 2, Kick Ass and A-Team. Not so pleased with Clash of the Titans.

The Vile

The Vile on 06-29-2010 04:30 PM

No way! Please don't compare True Blood to Twilight. True Blood doesn't bastardize the mythology in nearly the same way. I have nothing against Twilight, personally. But True Blood, although not perfect, depicts vampires as the lusty creatures they should be, in an appropriate Southern Gothic setting. It is unfair to say it is killing the genre, it is carrying the effing torch if anything.

bigbrother

bigbrother on 06-29-2010 06:43 PM

Always amazed at how people can't think outside of their own target group. Did you ever think women like Twilight because they're tired of being portrayed as suckers for bloodthirsty monsters and as ditzy blonde waitresses who turn into ho's the first time they get some(True Blood)or busty corseted victims (every other movie in the genre). Kills me how in one breath people can criticize Twilight for bastardizing a genre then praise Daybreakers which does exactly the same thing only in a more guy friendly way. Just accept that your women like Twilight and stop acting like it's a threat to your existance that a movie was made for another demographic.

The NewHampshire Database

The NewHampshire Database on 06-30-2010 12:55 AM

Vampires ****ing sparkle in sunlight. There goes all of your credibility.

JettaJameson

JettaJameson on 06-30-2010 05:50 AM

It's called a fresh take on an old story. You know, originality. Ever hear of it?

Big Freeze

Big Freeze on 06-30-2010 10:42 AM

I too think the Twilight bashing is just as annoying as the twihards, but please don't say things like "Kills me how in one breath people can criticize Twilight for bastardizing a genre then praise Daybreakers which does exactly the same thing only in a more guy friendly way."

Daybreakers stuck to the classic vampire traits - burning in the sun, needing human blood to survive, stake to the heart. In contrast, Twilight has vampires who sparkle in the sun and don't drink human blood. Awesome.

So yeah, Twilight and Daybreakers are nothing alike. Nice try though!

bigbrother

bigbrother on 06-30-2010 12:15 PM

Nothing alike in approach maybe, but what they did was basically the same. In Daybreakers they stuck to original traits, but explained it as a disease. What disease have you ever had that made you invulnerable to everything but a stake thru the heart? Also, the disease was contracted by bats. While bats avoid daylight for the most part they hardly burst into flame when sunlight hit's them...I don't give a **** how crazy they are (Sorry, token From Dusk til Dawn (A real traditional story based on classic vampire lore told in an original way)). By taking the supernatural out of the equation and trying to explain it scientifically I think they made it just as ridiculous as a venomous bite causeing you to develop diamond hard skin and sparkle in the sunlight. The only difference is one is more easily acceptable to guy thinking. This was the point I was trying to make by the comparison. That fanboys will accept branching from the classic as long as it's meant to appeal to their tastes and call it innovation, but will take changes that aren't directed toward their sensibilities and write them off as ridiculous and raping of a genre.

Brad R.

Brad R. on 07-1-2010 09:11 AM

I think the obsession that people have about Twilight Vampires sparkling is pretty damn sad.

Vampires are a MYTH. That means "Not real". Therefore anyone can make them be whatever they want! There's no laws or rules set in stone for mythical creatues because they are by very nature fictious. All that the traditional myths said about vampires is that they were supposed to drink blood(which the Twilight Vampires DO) and had an AVERSION to daylight. It never said why they had an aversion to daylight and "because it makes them sparkle" is just as likely as "because it kills them" when you think about it. Only movies and stories have made this stereotypical image of Vampires.

So beat Twilight all you want for being poorly acted and written if you've actually seen it because I generally agree, but let go of the sparkling thing- it's like not being able to see the wood for the trees! >:- o

Shantak

Shantak on 07-1-2010 10:49 AM

Lanca,

I hate to do this, but I have to call you out on this and say you have your facts wrong. Most modern Vampire stories are based on Bram Stolker's Dracula (the actual book) and that book the whole Vampire mythos was based on two things, Vlad the Impaler for history and the idea of diseases, especially sexually transmitted diseases. If you look at all the things, sunlight, running water, garlic, pale and weak unless they have fed off life, etc.. The other aspect that people forget is Dracula was anti-Christian, so that also factors into a mockery of the Christian practice of drinking wine that symbolically is the blood of Christ and several other factors.

Throughout the ages, especially around the time of the crusades, there were actual people who bathed or drank human blood because it was believed by scientists that blood was life and you could look younger and live longer by ingesting it or using it in some matter. There are many books and movies that go into the disease aspect of Vampirism and those that go away from it. I have read or seen tons of Vampire stories, some are good, most are not it's just how it goes.

I have not read or seen anything in the Twilight series, I am not a hater but when my 60+ year old mom told me her and her friends went to see Twilight and mooned over the stars, and that the do not drink blood and glitter in the sun I realized it would not be something I would want to subject myself to.

Jaxx Raxor

Jaxx Raxor on 06-29-2010 04:38 PM

The RT rating of Eclipse pretty much aligns with my expectations. It looks better than the atrocity of New Moon, so it has that at least. I didn't think that Eclipse RT rating would be near (the first) Twilight.

I voted %41-%50 because I believe that Eclipse is slightly more likely to drop below %50 than go above it, but in reality I think the range is going to be %45-%55. Critics seem to be really split on this film, most reviewers say it is the best so far but there is split on if being the "best" still makes it a good movie. There is only a very small chance chance that Eclipse would make it to fresh territory. I don't think there is a back pocket of Twilight fans who are also reviewers who are going to boost the rating, its probably going to be split as it is now on the eve of its debut as it will be by the weekend and beyond.

Also Eclipse is going to be the biggest movie of the Summer (Toy Story 3 is going to be hurt in the long term by The Last Airbender this week and the 3D CGI Despicable Me next week). If Eclipse was opening on Friday instead of Wednesday, it would easily break the record 158 million Friday-Sunday debut of the Dark Knight. But as it's opening on Wednesday a lot of the most rabid Twilight Fans are going to be seeing it on Wednesday and Thursday, so that is going to lower the Friday-Sunday sum (and I think July 4th fireworks on Sunday will slow down Sunday Evening showings).

However I still believe that Eclipse will beat Iron Man 2's 128 million (I'd say between 130-140 million for Eclipse Friday-Sunday).

JettaJameson

JettaJameson on 06-30-2010 12:46 AM

I live in a town of just over 100k people. We have a 12-theater stadium cineplex and all 12 screens were playing sold out midnight shows of Eclipse. I haven't seen crowds like this since Titanic. The line literally wrapped all the way around the entire building. I'm gonna say the opening will be between 150-170 million.

Crazy Pup

Crazy Pup on 06-29-2010 04:44 PM

Anyway, bring on Inception and Predators!!

Brian B.

Brian B. on 06-29-2010 04:56 PM

At least we know those films won't dissapoint. After that, we barely got any films to look forward to this year-well, except for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1.

NTROST

NTROST on 06-29-2010 06:56 PM

"After that, we barely got any films to look forward to this year-well."

Dude, what do you do only look forward to the "blockbuster" films? There is an immense amount of films still to come through out this year & the only film you can look forward after "Predators" & "Inception" is "Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows: Part 1?

How do you know what's going to be good or not? Oh wait...you don't! Maybe you should open your mind instead just looking for the mindless big-budget blockbuster films. I almost pity you.

Mievie M.

Mievie M. on 06-30-2010 10:15 AM

No I think he means the biggest movies. I sure as heck still want to see other films, but for now I want to watch inception. That's on my list as number one. ;) then toy story.

M.C.P.

M.C.P. on 06-30-2010 10:22 AM

Tron: Legacy for the win

End of Line

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST

tomwaitsjrHAPPYICONOCLAST on 06-29-2010 05:25 PM

For the whole year, INCEPTION has me the most excited. Hopefully I'll see the midnight show on an IMAX screen. . .

Mievie M.

Mievie M. on 06-30-2010 10:03 AM

YOU TWO? i Thought everyone was all rounded up to watch twilight shiet. Apparently not. I waited a year for this movie :) I bet Mr. Nolan won't disspoint as much as this twilight shiet has. :) i d c, i am spending my money on GOOD STUFF. INCPETION looks promising ;D . hehe. I can't wait til i get money to preorder my inception.

Taylor A.

Taylor A. on 06-29-2010 09:49 PM

You said it!

Mievie M.

Mievie M. on 06-30-2010 10:16 AM

Haha, yeah! ;D
Maybe they will have potential to be good. Wtf am i saying. I know for shure inception will be good based on the early reviews. :) &&& predators.. i am interested ;)

Brad R.

Brad R. on 07-1-2010 09:16 AM

After the terrible AVP films I'm doubtful Predator will be high on my list of expectations this year! :- S

jaycr

jaycr on 06-29-2010 05:47 PM

Twilight is all about MONEY!!! Forget quality or anything beyond the fact that stupid women all over the world are spending their money on this thing for reasons known only to them (o that maybe even they fail to understand).

bigbrother

bigbrother on 06-29-2010 06:46 PM

and mysogynist post of the year goes to. I'd hate to see the woman who gave you those issues dude.

LDG The Horror Queen

LDG The Horror Queen on 06-30-2010 07:18 AM

I really can't stand when a fellow woman decides she wants to be a twitard it's worse than deciding to take ecstasy in my book.

Helge B.

Helge B. on 06-30-2010 07:32 AM

I'd hate to take the ecstasy that gave you those issues gal.

Mievie M.

Mievie M. on 06-30-2010 09:58 AM

lmao. I give a kudos to that one ;)

Mievie M.

Mievie M. on 06-30-2010 10:05 AM

;) haha so true. Maybe with an oscar winning person they can make the films of good quality. I knew something was funny. They hired someone who was either nominated or won an oscar for the last two installments. So probably they knew that eclipse wasn't going to be that good of a movie . hmm?

Steve G.

Steve G. on 07-1-2010 04:15 AM

That comment said it all. It seems to me a lot of reviews of Twilight are in fact mysogyny wrapped up as 'criticism'. And what's all this use of 'retard' and 'twitard'. Mentally-handicapped people cant help being that way, just like people cant change the colour of their skin, or their sexual orientation. Unbelievable.

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