Michael Bay To Direct "Prince of Persia" Vid Game Pic

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If you were at all worried about who Disney might nab to direct the Ubisoft video game adaptation, you can rest easy. Michael Bay is on the job! Back to Article

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IMAmoose24

Eric Schulze

Love the games. Love Bruckheimer. BRING IT ON!!

Apr 15 - 01:37 PM

Bob*

bob askins

well at least is not Joel Schumacher

Apr 15 - 02:02 PM

shanehead

shane owings

[b]mhmm[/b]
someone said something earlier about pg-13 or R...... did you read the article? the rights are owned by disney.

Apr 15 - 02:19 PM

Reeven

Jud Widing

[b]I wonder if Michael Bay is thinking[/b]
"Surely this will be the film that turns my career around."

Apr 15 - 02:25 PM

theSuccessor.

Jack D

[b]Charlie Clausen as Prince of Persia[/b]
Before you guys argue about who should be Prince, this guy was already signed as the Prince.

http://imdb.com/name/nm0165310/

Apr 15 - 03:02 PM

IMAmoose24

Eric Schulze

That guy can work as the prince. I think it's a pretty solid cast decision. Don't know about his acting ability, but he definately has the looks to play the prince.

Apr 15 - 06:19 PM

Nived

Devin Rodgers

Pssssh.... I'm holding out on a God of War movie instead. I'd much rather see that!

Apr 15 - 03:03 PM

Unbreakable Samurai

Unbreakable Samurai

They are making a God of War movie, they announced that earlier this year.

Apr 16 - 07:40 AM

dylan21484nj

glenn welsh

Michael Bay? ugh. well at least it ain't Uwe Boll or Paul WS Anderson.

maybe.

i guess.

right?

Apr 15 - 05:48 PM

IMAmoose24

Eric Schulze

That guy can work as the prince. I think it's a pretty solid cast decision. Don't know about his acting ability, but he definately has the looks to play the prince.

Apr 15 - 06:19 PM

Xynotyro

Rob Wadleigh

gaaaaah, will Bay just hurry up and die in a plane crash already, he's already left his "mark" in film, why continue to stomp it into the ground?

Apr 15 - 08:39 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Proof?[/b]
You want proof that Bay sucks? That's just ridiculous. I can't have an opinion without "proof"? And I bet you love every single film-maker out there? Well, I hope so, 'cause unless you have proof that they make bad films, start loving, monkey!

Oh, and if you're gonna call me a nerd and assume I hate a movie and make all the other totally baseless assumptions about me based on my opinion of one director, allow me to return the favor: Due to your love for Michael Bay and obvious stupidity, I'll bet you're a pock-marked fry-jockey who spends most of his time wanking to Scarlett Johansson in The Island because real girls get creeped out when you drive by in a rusty muscle car blaring that bad Aerosmith song from Armageddon at them and asking them what they're gonna do when you come for them.

That's fair, right?

By the way, if you really want some proof, how about the awful-to-mediocre scores all his movies have on IMDB? Is that a fair gauge of public disapproval?

Apr 15 - 08:51 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Oh my god so internet nerds hate his movies that means that he sucks? Those same nerds also love Micheal Moore yet he cannot make a documentary without turning it into propaganda. So do you even have a point? Because those ratings are just as valid and the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HIS MOVIES HAVE MADE.

Apr 16 - 01:53 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Wow--[/b]
I can't believe after my incredibly instructive lesson on not making snap-judgments of people that you're still willing to call the 50,000 people who voted on Armageddon's bad IMDB score nerds. Right.

Well, okay, fair enough, we'll call the fact his movies make money evidence he is good (the same evidence by which we can call internet porn, drug kingpins, and the Saudi Royal family "good"), and the voting system on IMDB evidence by which he is bad (the same evidence by which this group of movies is good: http://imdb.com/chart/top and this group of movies is bad: http://imdb.com/chart/bottom) IF we assume, as you said, those are equal for some reason or another, that still puts us on equally supportable footing for our opinions, right?

Which means that I expressed my perfectly valid opinion on a filmmaker, and you responded by personally attacking me for having an opinion that we've just found is just as supportable as your own. So, on the surface, anyway, it would appear that you're a dirty hypocrite.

But maybe this is all part of your master plan and the point of your angry ranting will become apparent soon.

Apr 16 - 08:16 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Go ask 100 random people if they know what IMDB is and guess what i bet only 10 people know about it. The average person does not use that site, nerds do.

Apr 16 - 02:06 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]So then...[/b]
...you've totally given up on the whole defending-your-annoying-and-hypocritical-rants thing, then?

Also, if we're dismissing the opinion of nerds, we'd better start with you, for sitting here bitching on RottenTomatoes's internet message board.

Apr 16 - 03:29 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

I'm not quite sure what asking 100 random people has to do with anything, quite frankly. As about the same number of people about Rottontomatoes.com and you'll probably get about the same response. Movie fans go to certain sites. IMDB is the premier site for movie information, whetheryou're a nerd or not. Most people connected to the movie and television business use IMDB, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. All speciality websites mostly attracts fans of that activity.

And for someone attacing an argument for being baseless, you're quickly losing credibility.

Apr 16 - 04:17 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

The average viewer does not know about IMDB that is the point so just because some people hate does not make it true. Hell look at their top movies some of them are screwed over and some should not be that high.

Apr 16 - 07:18 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

What do I care what the average viewer thinks? The average viewer is a moron. The average viewer propelled Ghost Rider to $115 million domestic box office while a much better movie, like Zodiac, makes only $30 million.

For the most part, the more knowledgeable movie fan goes to IMDB.com. From looking at their top 250, I have no real problem with the choices that they have made. Not that I would make the same choices, but I would much rather see those movies than the ones that made the most money.

Apr 16 - 09:15 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

THe average viewers are not morons they understand the point of movies TO ENTERTAIN YOU. Ghost Rider was good and it did its job. Zodiac was boring as hell and not goo, so your whole argument is based off of nothing but OPINION. Yeah then state why they have some no name Japanese movie in the top ten instead of a classic like On the Waterfront? So this crap movie "Shichinin no samurai" is better than that? Or the original star wars? Or raiders of the lost arc? or Citizen Kane? No the more knowledgeable movie fans do not use IMDB, the nerd use it.

Apr 17 - 02:23 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]HAHAHAHAHAHA[/b]
I get it now. This whole time you've been *joking*. You've been doing a subtle parody of some idiot who thinks if a movie's got 'splosions and makes money it *must* be a rollicking good time. But I'm afraid you tipped your hand when you tried to say that the frickiin' *Seven Samurai* is a "no-name" Japanese film.

Apr 17 - 05:32 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Yeah, that was pretty off base. He now has his very own miscalculated "wardrobe malfunction" moment with that credibility shattering comment.

Apr 17 - 06:23 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I do however like his use of the word Nerd in the singular to describe all of you as if you were an entire race. Eastern Europe trembled at the approach of the Nerd hordes. Inadvertantly that's very clever and funny.

Apr 17 - 07:54 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]That *is* pretty funny[/b]
But I also like how the Nerd is an external phenomenon, and he seems to be able to remove himself from that category. Voting on IMDB? Nerd. Whining on RT's message board? Ummm.... Geek, maybe? Lamewad? Some other tribe?

Apr 17 - 08:27 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

It actually is. Again it is a no name japanese movie, i am a movie fan and the only reason why i know about it is because my roomate used to make fun of it all the time.

Apr 17 - 02:44 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

You'd never heard of the Seven Samurai by Akira Kurosawa? You're calling THAT a no name Japanese movie? You HAVE to be joking.

Apr 17 - 02:52 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

I only heard about it thru a friend that used to make fun of it. I do not watch japanese movies for the most part because they suck and i do not waste my time on bad movies.

Apr 17 - 07:57 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Please, please, please...[/b]
...tell me you're joking. Please. Please, please, please.

And if you're not, shame on you for calling yourself a movie fan while totally denying the entire works of freaking *Kurosawa*.

Apr 17 - 08:01 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Are you out of your mind?[/b]
The fricking Seven Samurai is a no-name movie? That's the biggest bunch of BS. Any "movie fan" knows about fricking Akira Kurosawa, and the Seven Samurai is the best-known and one of the most respected of his films. I'd heard of the movie by the time I was ten fricking years old. Don't try and disguise the fact that you were too thick to realize that "Oh, gee, maybe that weird Japanese title in the top 10 is the *single most significant Japanese movie of all time*" by defending the utterly ridiculous idea that The Seven Samurai isn't a well-known film. By many accounts, it is the first modern action movie--Michael Bay might not even be a freaking director if it weren't for this film. Entertainment Weekly, which is generally a pop-trash rag, called it one of the 12 best films of all time. It's the direct inspiration for "The Magnificent Seven"! I know lots of average people, and the average person has heard of the freaking movie. I'm sorry to tell you that in this regard you are sub-average.

Apr 17 - 02:59 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Wrong again there fool, the average fan has never heard of that crap movie, You know i rarely turn movies off before they are finished but it was so bad that i could not stand watching it. It just proves that Japanese people cannot make movies like they cannot make cartoons or comics.

Apr 17 - 07:59 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]This is just getting sad.[/b]
The fact is, the average person *has* heard of the Seven Samurai. If you think they haven't, prove it, and bring up something more compelling than your own half-assed attempt to watch it. As you may have noticed, you blew your personal credibility about twenty posts ago.

I also love how you have attempted to dismiss the art and culture of an entire nation purely to cover up your incredibly revealing faux pas earlier. You were too blind or too ignorant to realize a movie you were dismissing just happened to be one of film's most treasured classics. So now, to save face, you're committing the even more egregious crime of *knowingly* dismissing that film, *knowingly* dismissing that director, *knowingly* dismissing that entire nation.

It's idiotic. No one with a speck of sense would agree with you. It makes it very hard to believe your claim that you're a movie lover, and completely destroys any shred of credibility you may have had in this debate.

You can stop now.

Apr 17 - 08:13 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Again that is not true, ask 100 random people and i bet the majority have not heard of it. I still more cred than you, who has yet to explain how a movie that entertains people and a director who does that makes a crappy movie and a crappy director.

Oh i love Japan, but am smart enough to realize they cannot make a movie or cartoon if their life depended upon it.

Yeah no one would agree with me. Then how come when asked the greatest movie ever ALMOST EVERYONE SAYS GODFATHER AND NOT THAT SEVEN SAMURAI? THAT IS BECAUSE I AM RIGHT YOU MORON. You have no cred and no ability to debate. Continue to think that crap movie is awesome because once you said that Zodiac was great your opinion fell to the bottom of the barrel.

You can stop talking now unless you like to continue to get owned by me.

Apr 18 - 01:51 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]One by one...[/b]
"Again that is not true, ask 100 random people and i bet the majority have not heard of it."

You keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Prove it. So far, I've provided evidence that even Entertainment Weekly loves the movie, the most popular film critic in the country loves the movie, all those folks on IMDB love the movie, and the director of Star Wars loves the movie, and the only contradictory opinion you've found is.... your roommate. Hmm.

"I still more cred than you,"

With who, exactly? The only people who know both of us are the people who are watching this argument. Has any of them said a word to defend your remarks about Kurosawa? Not so far, because said comments are either ignorant or deluded.

"who has yet to explain how a movie that entertains people and a director who does that makes a crappy movie and a crappy director."

Again, porn entertains people, is it great film? No. People are entertained by public executions, narcotics, and demolition derbies, none of which are particularly "great". Bay's movies may entertain some people, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he has *never* managed to make a film with likable, three-dimensional characters, a compelling, believable plot, or anything else that would pull his films above the level of explosion-porn.

"Oh i love Japan, but am smart enough to realize they cannot make a movie or cartoon if their life depended upon it."

Tell me, what Japanese movies have you watched that lead you to this opinion? And please, only list the ones you've watched *all the way through*. Because if you haven't even watched the entirety of The Seven Samurai, you're not starting out well.

Oh, and how exactly do you reconcile this disdain with Kurosawa's work with the *fact* that he had a direct influence on pretty much every film you've professed love for so far? Or are you just smart enough to realize George Lucas was just kidding when he said that?

"Yeah no one would agree with me. Then how come when asked the greatest movie ever ALMOST EVERYONE SAYS GODFATHER AND NOT THAT SEVEN SAMURAI?"

...Are you kidding me, dude? So because everyone says "The Godfather" is the best movie ever, Seven Samurai sucks? Well, gee, no one says On The Waterfront, either, but you seem to like that movie just fine. In fact, if EVERYONE says THE GODFATHER, then the Godfather must be the ONLY good movie, huh?

I give you the opinions of critics and filmmakers, and you give me "well, if it's so great, why do people like the Godfather better"? Christ.

"THAT IS BECAUSE I AM RIGHT YOU MORON."

No, really, you're joking, right?

"You have no cred and no ability to debate."

Cred with who? Just who do you think is out there, looking at this argument, going "oh, yeah, that zbbrox guy is getting owned here"? And I'll admit, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to debate someone who has no ability whatsoever to backup his wild slurs against Japanese film and one of the greatest, most influential directors of all time.

"Continue to think that crap movie is awesome because once you said that Zodiac was great your opinion fell to the bottom of the barrel."

Show me where I said Zodiac was great. Or was that something else you imagined?

"You can stop talking now unless you like to continue to get owned by me. "
No, really, you're joking, right?

Apr 18 - 04:56 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

You ask one hundred people to read this thread and 99 of them will say that you have completely lost any credibility and, when backed into a corner, throw out insults like nerd and moron, in an attempt to cover up your complete lack of debating skills. By the way, the 1 who wouldn't is your roommate.

As for Zodiac, it got a 87% critic rating and a 93% user rating, and Ghost Rider got a 27% critic rating and a 50% user rating. I'd say more people here agree more with me than you. Or do nerds go on Rotten Tomatoes, too?

Notice I haven't mentioned Seven Samurai. No proof what-so-ever will make you admit that you are wrong (if we polled 100 people and most said they had heard of Seven Samurai, tyou'd think of some excuse), so there's really no point in debating it furthur. I've already lost enough IQ points `discussing' this with you.

Apr 18 - 12:45 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

After this post, I'm guessing you are either joking or, well, beyond help.

"Ghost Rider was good and it did its job. Zodiac was boring as hell and not goo, so your whole argument is based off of nothing but OPINION."

Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in this statement?

Apr 17 - 10:19 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Dude...[/b]
You may THINK Zodiac was better than Ghost Rider, but that's an OPINION. Ghost Rider made more money, that is FACT.

FACT: Ghost Rider is better than Zodiac.
FACT: Meet the Fockers ($280m) is better than Citizen Kane ($20m--inflation adjusted). *14 times* better.
FACT: You can only state your opinion on a film or a filmmaker if your opinion is backed by box office receipts.

Apr 17 - 10:42 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

You're almost as funny as aknddon3. Unfortunately I don't think he is doing it intentionally. I'm guessing you are.

Apr 17 - 12:13 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

SO he is allowed to have his opinion and state it as fact? Oh yeah that makes sense, the nerds are illogical.

Apr 17 - 02:45 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]And apparantly...[/b]
...you also don't recognize sarcasm when it slaps you right in the face. Or is this really all a little joke you're playing on us?

Apr 17 - 03:00 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

I'm finding it really hard to believe he's serious. I remember having other discussions with him, and he made a little more sense than this.

Apr 17 - 04:20 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

I will use a little common knowledge, something you nerds do not use. JUST BECAUSE IT HAS A HIGH RATING ON IMDB DOES NOT MAKE IT GOOD. Again that is very bad movie and to dare have it before Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark two movies that have actually shaped the way movies have been made is a slap in the face of a true filmmaker and not some japanese loser.

Apr 17 - 08:02 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Umm[/b]
No, having a high rating on IMDB doesn't make it good. The fact that it is good makes it good. As you haven't actually seen the movie, as you admitted you turned it off, I think it's a little silly for you to be dismissing it, when it is so universally loved. You talk about how great Star Wars is, but do you realize that that "Japanese loser" who directed the film had an *enormous* influence on Star Wars? Lucas admitted that the film was heavily influenced by The Hidden Fortress, and lines from The Seven Samurai are used nearly word for word in Star Wars. Clearly, your hero Mr. Lucas believed Kurosawa to be an exceptional filmmaker. As did Sergio Leone and John Sturgis, who re-made several of his films, including The Seven Samurai, into some of the classics of the Western genre.

Kurosawa helped to invent the action movie with The Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, and others. His film, Rashomon, is so famed for its use of multiple perspectives in describing the same events that that effect is now called the "Rahomon Effect" in both film and even psychology.

Kurosawa did as much to shape film as Lucas did, the fact that you weren't yet alive to see it doesn't make it less true.

Apr 17 - 08:20 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

Okay, I will go on the presumption that you are, indeed, serious, as scary as that may be. Ask George Lucas or Steven Spielberg who their inspirations were when they wanted to become filmmakers, and I guarantee they both would mention Akira Kurosawa. Pretty much ask ANY of the iconic directors today and they will call him one of the best directors of all-time and the Seven Samurai as one of the best films of all time. And let me clarify, here. This has NOTHING to do with the IMDB. Until you had mentioned it in your post, I'd only glanced at the list a few years ago.

You keep mentioning Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark and you're calling US nerds? Those were also great movies, but a lot of kids see them today, especially Star Wars, and they wonder what all the fuss is about. I'm sure in ten years, someone will see Star Wars high on some list and call it crap. Watching it today, Seven Samurai is slow and dated, but it doesn't make it a bad movie. Quite frankly, I think Citizen Kane is boring as hell to watch today, but I can appreciate it as a great movie and incredibly groundbreaking. It's just that we see it all the time now, but at the time, it was revolutionary.

Besides, anyone who thinks Ghostrider was a good movie has pretty much lost any serious discussion about film. Personally, I can't see anyone liking Ghostrider except comic book nerds. See, I can throw that word around, too.

Apr 17 - 08:30 PM

Mr. Kong

Sam jacobs

I liked Ghost Rider, but I didn't take it seriously. I found that it was stupid fun, no more, no less.

Apr 18 - 09:50 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

Michael Bay is a brilliant visual director, who seems to have no real understanding (or possibly doesn't really care) of characterization and storytelling. To a lot of people, including myself, he represents `style-over-susbtance' filmmaking that is popular today. So many directors are being plucked from music video and commercial shoots, simply because of their flair for the visuals. While some do end up doing very good work, the majority shoot and edit their films as if they are still shooting 30 second to 3 minute videos designed to hold the attention of a 13 year old used to playing video games.

I wouldn't say that Michael Bay sucks, but he has made some of the worst big budget movies I have seen. I did enjoy The Rock, however, and The Island wasn't horrible. Armageddon and Pearl Harbor were crimes against nature, however.

Apr 15 - 09:36 PM

arendr

Arend Anton

hey, highdough, isn't this the same post from another thread? did you copy and paste from one of your previous posts?

Apr 16 - 07:43 AM

skasforfags

Andy Grant

Well the same argument comes up whenever people talk about Bay, so it's probably a reflex post.

Apr 16 - 07:58 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

skasforfags is right. I may have posted something similar. I really should just keep posts like that on hand to save me from typing everytime.

Apr 16 - 02:15 PM

jeremyd4

jeremy d

I've been waiting for this movie for ages! The original game was a classic, sure, but the new series is fantastic and the cut scenes alone prove why it'd make a great movie.

I actually think "300" borrowed the idea of using electric guitars in the musical score to create that sword and sandals rock opera type experience, from Prince of Persia in fact - if you've played the games you'd know exactly what I mean. As for starting with the second game as some one mentioned - it's called a sequel - so just wait, they'll milk this franchise for all it's worth.

I've always thought the characters in the games had an Indian look, which may not be historically accurate but since the Persian Empire consisted of many cultures, why not! And for this reason, I think that guy from "Heroes" (I forget his name) but the Indian scientist narrator guy would be perfect. His voice and look are spot on. Oh, and he can act too! If not him, then Oded Fhrer (SP?) - the guy from the mummy movies - would also be fine.

Apr 15 - 11:28 PM

ksduded

Khurram Suhrwardy

u mean mohindur.... I don't know though he has the right face cut and features.. he is a bit too dark to play a Perisan, who were mostly Iranians, who are actually quite fair... I will still vote for Hrithik Roshan, not just because of his looks, but his talent as well. He will make the acrobats look so normal and seamless, that you will feel having a controller on your hand....

anyways it seems that the casting decision has been made....

Apr 15 - 11:55 PM

ksduded

Khurram Suhrwardy

u mean mohindur.... I don't know though he has the right face cut and features.. he is a bit too dark to play a Perisan, who were mostly Iranians, who are actually quite fair... I will still vote for Hrithik Roshan, not just because of his looks, but his talent as well. He will make the acrobats look so normal and seamless, that you will feel having a controller on your hand....

anyways it seems that the casting decision has been made....

Apr 15 - 11:55 PM

rgallitan

robin thompson

Well.... crap. So, there goes that idea.

Oh well, it doesn't matter. Sands of Time had such a strong, cinematic story to begin with - it doesn't really need a movie version to be fully realized. It already WAS a movie, plus interactive. Better to think of this film as a remake, not so much a game-adaptation. Then we can just ignore it, like every other crappy remake.

Apr 16 - 12:39 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

How does my argument suck little man? Hmm besides Pearl Harbor he really did not have one bad movie. But you have no argument because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Apr 16 - 01:50 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

Well, Armageddon was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I never saw Bad Boys 2, but the first one was mildly entertaining. The only real good movie he has made has been The Rock, and the rest have been either mediocre or just plain bad, in my books. Not exactly a great track record.

Apr 16 - 02:19 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Oh my god so internet nerds hate his movies that means that he sucks? Those same nerds also love Micheal Moore yet he cannot make a documentary without turning it into propaganda. So do you even have a point? Because those ratings are just as valid and the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HIS MOVIES HAVE MADE.

Apr 16 - 01:53 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Wow--[/b]
I can't believe after my incredibly instructive lesson on not making snap-judgments of people that you're still willing to call the 50,000 people who voted on Armageddon's bad IMDB score nerds. Right.

Well, okay, fair enough, we'll call the fact his movies make money evidence he is good (the same evidence by which we can call internet porn, drug kingpins, and the Saudi Royal family "good"), and the voting system on IMDB evidence by which he is bad (the same evidence by which this group of movies is good: http://imdb.com/chart/top and this group of movies is bad: http://imdb.com/chart/bottom) IF we assume, as you said, those are equal for some reason or another, that still puts us on equally supportable footing for our opinions, right?

Which means that I expressed my perfectly valid opinion on a filmmaker, and you responded by personally attacking me for having an opinion that we've just found is just as supportable as your own. So, on the surface, anyway, it would appear that you're a dirty hypocrite.

But maybe this is all part of your master plan and the point of your angry ranting will become apparent soon.

Apr 16 - 08:16 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Go ask 100 random people if they know what IMDB is and guess what i bet only 10 people know about it. The average person does not use that site, nerds do.

Apr 16 - 02:06 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]So then...[/b]
...you've totally given up on the whole defending-your-annoying-and-hypocritical-rants thing, then?

Also, if we're dismissing the opinion of nerds, we'd better start with you, for sitting here bitching on RottenTomatoes's internet message board.

Apr 16 - 03:29 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

I'm not quite sure what asking 100 random people has to do with anything, quite frankly. As about the same number of people about Rottontomatoes.com and you'll probably get about the same response. Movie fans go to certain sites. IMDB is the premier site for movie information, whetheryou're a nerd or not. Most people connected to the movie and television business use IMDB, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. All speciality websites mostly attracts fans of that activity.

And for someone attacing an argument for being baseless, you're quickly losing credibility.

Apr 16 - 04:17 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

The average viewer does not know about IMDB that is the point so just because some people hate does not make it true. Hell look at their top movies some of them are screwed over and some should not be that high.

Apr 16 - 07:18 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

What do I care what the average viewer thinks? The average viewer is a moron. The average viewer propelled Ghost Rider to $115 million domestic box office while a much better movie, like Zodiac, makes only $30 million.

For the most part, the more knowledgeable movie fan goes to IMDB.com. From looking at their top 250, I have no real problem with the choices that they have made. Not that I would make the same choices, but I would much rather see those movies than the ones that made the most money.

Apr 16 - 09:15 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

THe average viewers are not morons they understand the point of movies TO ENTERTAIN YOU. Ghost Rider was good and it did its job. Zodiac was boring as hell and not goo, so your whole argument is based off of nothing but OPINION. Yeah then state why they have some no name Japanese movie in the top ten instead of a classic like On the Waterfront? So this crap movie "Shichinin no samurai" is better than that? Or the original star wars? Or raiders of the lost arc? or Citizen Kane? No the more knowledgeable movie fans do not use IMDB, the nerd use it.

Apr 17 - 02:23 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]HAHAHAHAHAHA[/b]
I get it now. This whole time you've been *joking*. You've been doing a subtle parody of some idiot who thinks if a movie's got 'splosions and makes money it *must* be a rollicking good time. But I'm afraid you tipped your hand when you tried to say that the frickiin' *Seven Samurai* is a "no-name" Japanese film.

Apr 17 - 05:32 AM

Matanuki

Matanuki .

Yeah, that was pretty off base. He now has his very own miscalculated "wardrobe malfunction" moment with that credibility shattering comment.

Apr 17 - 06:23 AM

Bigbrother

Big Brother

I do however like his use of the word Nerd in the singular to describe all of you as if you were an entire race. Eastern Europe trembled at the approach of the Nerd hordes. Inadvertantly that's very clever and funny.

Apr 17 - 07:54 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]That *is* pretty funny[/b]
But I also like how the Nerd is an external phenomenon, and he seems to be able to remove himself from that category. Voting on IMDB? Nerd. Whining on RT's message board? Ummm.... Geek, maybe? Lamewad? Some other tribe?

Apr 17 - 08:27 AM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

It actually is. Again it is a no name japanese movie, i am a movie fan and the only reason why i know about it is because my roomate used to make fun of it all the time.

Apr 17 - 02:44 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

You'd never heard of the Seven Samurai by Akira Kurosawa? You're calling THAT a no name Japanese movie? You HAVE to be joking.

Apr 17 - 02:52 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

I only heard about it thru a friend that used to make fun of it. I do not watch japanese movies for the most part because they suck and i do not waste my time on bad movies.

Apr 17 - 07:57 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Please, please, please...[/b]
...tell me you're joking. Please. Please, please, please.

And if you're not, shame on you for calling yourself a movie fan while totally denying the entire works of freaking *Kurosawa*.

Apr 17 - 08:01 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Are you out of your mind?[/b]
The fricking Seven Samurai is a no-name movie? That's the biggest bunch of BS. Any "movie fan" knows about fricking Akira Kurosawa, and the Seven Samurai is the best-known and one of the most respected of his films. I'd heard of the movie by the time I was ten fricking years old. Don't try and disguise the fact that you were too thick to realize that "Oh, gee, maybe that weird Japanese title in the top 10 is the *single most significant Japanese movie of all time*" by defending the utterly ridiculous idea that The Seven Samurai isn't a well-known film. By many accounts, it is the first modern action movie--Michael Bay might not even be a freaking director if it weren't for this film. Entertainment Weekly, which is generally a pop-trash rag, called it one of the 12 best films of all time. It's the direct inspiration for "The Magnificent Seven"! I know lots of average people, and the average person has heard of the freaking movie. I'm sorry to tell you that in this regard you are sub-average.

Apr 17 - 02:59 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Wrong again there fool, the average fan has never heard of that crap movie, You know i rarely turn movies off before they are finished but it was so bad that i could not stand watching it. It just proves that Japanese people cannot make movies like they cannot make cartoons or comics.

Apr 17 - 07:59 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]This is just getting sad.[/b]
The fact is, the average person *has* heard of the Seven Samurai. If you think they haven't, prove it, and bring up something more compelling than your own half-assed attempt to watch it. As you may have noticed, you blew your personal credibility about twenty posts ago.

I also love how you have attempted to dismiss the art and culture of an entire nation purely to cover up your incredibly revealing faux pas earlier. You were too blind or too ignorant to realize a movie you were dismissing just happened to be one of film's most treasured classics. So now, to save face, you're committing the even more egregious crime of *knowingly* dismissing that film, *knowingly* dismissing that director, *knowingly* dismissing that entire nation.

It's idiotic. No one with a speck of sense would agree with you. It makes it very hard to believe your claim that you're a movie lover, and completely destroys any shred of credibility you may have had in this debate.

You can stop now.

Apr 17 - 08:13 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

Again that is not true, ask 100 random people and i bet the majority have not heard of it. I still more cred than you, who has yet to explain how a movie that entertains people and a director who does that makes a crappy movie and a crappy director.

Oh i love Japan, but am smart enough to realize they cannot make a movie or cartoon if their life depended upon it.

Yeah no one would agree with me. Then how come when asked the greatest movie ever ALMOST EVERYONE SAYS GODFATHER AND NOT THAT SEVEN SAMURAI? THAT IS BECAUSE I AM RIGHT YOU MORON. You have no cred and no ability to debate. Continue to think that crap movie is awesome because once you said that Zodiac was great your opinion fell to the bottom of the barrel.

You can stop talking now unless you like to continue to get owned by me.

Apr 18 - 01:51 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]One by one...[/b]
"Again that is not true, ask 100 random people and i bet the majority have not heard of it."

You keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. Prove it. So far, I've provided evidence that even Entertainment Weekly loves the movie, the most popular film critic in the country loves the movie, all those folks on IMDB love the movie, and the director of Star Wars loves the movie, and the only contradictory opinion you've found is.... your roommate. Hmm.

"I still more cred than you,"

With who, exactly? The only people who know both of us are the people who are watching this argument. Has any of them said a word to defend your remarks about Kurosawa? Not so far, because said comments are either ignorant or deluded.

"who has yet to explain how a movie that entertains people and a director who does that makes a crappy movie and a crappy director."

Again, porn entertains people, is it great film? No. People are entertained by public executions, narcotics, and demolition derbies, none of which are particularly "great". Bay's movies may entertain some people, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he has *never* managed to make a film with likable, three-dimensional characters, a compelling, believable plot, or anything else that would pull his films above the level of explosion-porn.

"Oh i love Japan, but am smart enough to realize they cannot make a movie or cartoon if their life depended upon it."

Tell me, what Japanese movies have you watched that lead you to this opinion? And please, only list the ones you've watched *all the way through*. Because if you haven't even watched the entirety of The Seven Samurai, you're not starting out well.

Oh, and how exactly do you reconcile this disdain with Kurosawa's work with the *fact* that he had a direct influence on pretty much every film you've professed love for so far? Or are you just smart enough to realize George Lucas was just kidding when he said that?

"Yeah no one would agree with me. Then how come when asked the greatest movie ever ALMOST EVERYONE SAYS GODFATHER AND NOT THAT SEVEN SAMURAI?"

...Are you kidding me, dude? So because everyone says "The Godfather" is the best movie ever, Seven Samurai sucks? Well, gee, no one says On The Waterfront, either, but you seem to like that movie just fine. In fact, if EVERYONE says THE GODFATHER, then the Godfather must be the ONLY good movie, huh?

I give you the opinions of critics and filmmakers, and you give me "well, if it's so great, why do people like the Godfather better"? Christ.

"THAT IS BECAUSE I AM RIGHT YOU MORON."

No, really, you're joking, right?

"You have no cred and no ability to debate."

Cred with who? Just who do you think is out there, looking at this argument, going "oh, yeah, that zbbrox guy is getting owned here"? And I'll admit, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to debate someone who has no ability whatsoever to backup his wild slurs against Japanese film and one of the greatest, most influential directors of all time.

"Continue to think that crap movie is awesome because once you said that Zodiac was great your opinion fell to the bottom of the barrel."

Show me where I said Zodiac was great. Or was that something else you imagined?

"You can stop talking now unless you like to continue to get owned by me. "
No, really, you're joking, right?

Apr 18 - 04:56 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

You ask one hundred people to read this thread and 99 of them will say that you have completely lost any credibility and, when backed into a corner, throw out insults like nerd and moron, in an attempt to cover up your complete lack of debating skills. By the way, the 1 who wouldn't is your roommate.

As for Zodiac, it got a 87% critic rating and a 93% user rating, and Ghost Rider got a 27% critic rating and a 50% user rating. I'd say more people here agree more with me than you. Or do nerds go on Rotten Tomatoes, too?

Notice I haven't mentioned Seven Samurai. No proof what-so-ever will make you admit that you are wrong (if we polled 100 people and most said they had heard of Seven Samurai, tyou'd think of some excuse), so there's really no point in debating it furthur. I've already lost enough IQ points `discussing' this with you.

Apr 18 - 12:45 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

After this post, I'm guessing you are either joking or, well, beyond help.

"Ghost Rider was good and it did its job. Zodiac was boring as hell and not goo, so your whole argument is based off of nothing but OPINION."

Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in this statement?

Apr 17 - 10:19 AM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Dude...[/b]
You may THINK Zodiac was better than Ghost Rider, but that's an OPINION. Ghost Rider made more money, that is FACT.

FACT: Ghost Rider is better than Zodiac.
FACT: Meet the Fockers ($280m) is better than Citizen Kane ($20m--inflation adjusted). *14 times* better.
FACT: You can only state your opinion on a film or a filmmaker if your opinion is backed by box office receipts.

Apr 17 - 10:42 AM

highdough

Richard Blascock

You're almost as funny as aknddon3. Unfortunately I don't think he is doing it intentionally. I'm guessing you are.

Apr 17 - 12:13 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

SO he is allowed to have his opinion and state it as fact? Oh yeah that makes sense, the nerds are illogical.

Apr 17 - 02:45 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]And apparantly...[/b]
...you also don't recognize sarcasm when it slaps you right in the face. Or is this really all a little joke you're playing on us?

Apr 17 - 03:00 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

I'm finding it really hard to believe he's serious. I remember having other discussions with him, and he made a little more sense than this.

Apr 17 - 04:20 PM

aknddon3

andrew kruzel

I will use a little common knowledge, something you nerds do not use. JUST BECAUSE IT HAS A HIGH RATING ON IMDB DOES NOT MAKE IT GOOD. Again that is very bad movie and to dare have it before Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark two movies that have actually shaped the way movies have been made is a slap in the face of a true filmmaker and not some japanese loser.

Apr 17 - 08:02 PM

zbbrox

First Last

[b]Umm[/b]
No, having a high rating on IMDB doesn't make it good. The fact that it is good makes it good. As you haven't actually seen the movie, as you admitted you turned it off, I think it's a little silly for you to be dismissing it, when it is so universally loved. You talk about how great Star Wars is, but do you realize that that "Japanese loser" who directed the film had an *enormous* influence on Star Wars? Lucas admitted that the film was heavily influenced by The Hidden Fortress, and lines from The Seven Samurai are used nearly word for word in Star Wars. Clearly, your hero Mr. Lucas believed Kurosawa to be an exceptional filmmaker. As did Sergio Leone and John Sturgis, who re-made several of his films, including The Seven Samurai, into some of the classics of the Western genre.

Kurosawa helped to invent the action movie with The Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, and others. His film, Rashomon, is so famed for its use of multiple perspectives in describing the same events that that effect is now called the "Rahomon Effect" in both film and even psychology.

Kurosawa did as much to shape film as Lucas did, the fact that you weren't yet alive to see it doesn't make it less true.

Apr 17 - 08:20 PM

highdough

Richard Blascock

Okay, I will go on the presumption that you are, indeed, serious, as scary as that may be. Ask George Lucas or Steven Spielberg who their inspirations were when they wanted to become filmmakers, and I guarantee they both would mention Akira Kurosawa. Pretty much ask ANY of the iconic directors today and they will call him one of the best directors of all-time and the Seven Samurai as one of the best films of all time. And let me clarify, here. This has NOTHING to do with the IMDB. Until you had mentioned it in your post, I'd only glanced at the list a few years ago.

You keep mentioning Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark and you're calling US nerds? Those were also great movies, but a lot of kids see them today, especially Star Wars, and they wonder what all the fuss is about. I'm sure in ten years, someone will see Star Wars high on some list and call it crap. Watching it today, Seven Samurai is slow and dated, but it doesn't make it a bad movie. Quite frankly, I think Citizen Kane is boring as hell to watch today, but I can appreciate it as a great movie and incredibly groundbreaking. It's just that we see it all the time now, but at the time, it was revolutionary.

Besides, anyone who thinks Ghostrider was a good movie has pretty much lost any serious discussion about film. Personally, I can't see anyone liking Ghostrider except comic book nerds. See, I can throw that word around, too.

Apr 17 - 08:30 PM

Mr. Kong

Sam jacobs

I liked Ghost Rider, but I didn't take it seriously. I found that it was stupid fun, no more, no less.

Apr 18 - 09:50 AM

Rusty Broomhandle

Jaco Gerber

Michael Bay is a bit of a hit and miss director. He gets a little bit overzealous with action sequences that go on forever... but sometimes he can kinda get it right, so I will reserve judgement.

Jordan Mechner is doing the screenplay though, which is excellent news. He's also the guy who designed and wrote The Last Express, which is one of the most unique computer games I have ever played.

Apr 16 - 04:13 AM

Modano

T H

I actually liked the Rock. It had a great score and I thought kind of witty dialogue between Connery and Cage, and Harris' character was good. And I didn't think Armageddon was that bad until they said the asteroid they were on was the size of Texas, and Ben Affleck just happened to find the other vehicle just driving around! That's when I lost all respect for that movie. I would like to see the Island, but Pearl Harbor looks horrible. I don't think he's that bad. Looking forward to Transformers! They could have gotten someone a lot worse.

Apr 16 - 05:49 AM

Unbreakable Samurai

Unbreakable Samurai

They are making a God of War movie, they announced that earlier this year.

Apr 16 - 07:40 AM

Unbreakable Samurai

Unbreakable Samurai

Whoa buddy, who say's porn isn't art?

Apr 16 - 07:41 AM

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