Who'll Be the Villains in "Spider-Man 4"?

Too Dark? What they need is the darkness that they had with the violent end of Spidey 1 in the church and the Doc Ock scene in the surgery room. There is not one scene that matches those intense moments in Spiderman 3, except the second fight with Harry.

May 7 - 01:09 AM

s l

who said venom is actually dead?

May 7 - 02:34 PM

Ryan Hartley

yea i agree..but the 3rd one did and prolly will open up to new spidey costumes. like spider-armor and electro-proof spidey
but for villians now(this is just a list of possibilities) ...Lizard is almost certain, SHOCKER!, Carnage, Scorpion, Tombstone, RHINO,chameleon, electro,hydo-man is on the plus side,kraven the hunte rand mysterio...so thats alot of main bad guys that play an important role in spider-man.
and if Gwen Stacy is in the fourth one, she will prolly die cause she does in the comic book... :)

May 7 - 03:01 PM

sean ganatos

i agree. thats what made those movies so interesting is that the villians were actually villians and had no remorse. it would have been scarier ( in my opinion ) if venom would have started dancing around like peter the emo homo did. spidey 3 was not scary at all, but the fight scenes with harry were bad ass. but i really hope they do darken it up a bit, spidey 3 had so many expectations that were not met, hopefully spidey 4 can redeem that quality that 3 lacked.

May 7 - 01:24 AM

Snipes .

Black Cat! This is something I have been saying for years, she's really not a villain though. Too early for Carnage, Venom needs to be brought back first and shown some descent respect!

May 7 - 02:22 AM

Jeremiah Rancourt

[b]Completely agree w/ you, Carnage too early[/b]
You need to bring back Venom in a limited role, and give him a little humanity, a hardcore Spiderman, before introducing the murderous irredeemable monster Carnage.

Instead, have The Lizard, Black Cat (not really a villain), and Kraven the Hunter. Kraven could try and capture the Lizard, which Parker tries to protect but also capture. Also, there could be an interesting love triangle between Black Cat, Kraven, and Spiderman.

Please Sam, don't rush it. Carnage should be at the very end of the series.

May 7 - 12:25 PM

Shawn Long

Too many villians...that is what was great about One and Two, although Harry was kind of a villian in two it was more of a backseat role to Doc Oc....Too many villians spoils the stew.

May 7 - 02:31 AM

Jonathan Y

Its about time they added another 'hero' into the mix. I don't know much about Black Cat, but both her and Spider-Man have a unique chemistry between each other that seems pretty interesting.

Light Spoiler:

I really hated how not one of the villains up to this point really rise above the others. I really had hoped Venom would be 'the one' to actually match up against Spider-Man and give him a good beating. For those who have seen the movie, its a disgrace for Sam Raimi to pick that one villain to live at the end of part 3.

May 7 - 03:54 AM

Matanuki .

I want to kill the spider. You want to kill the spider.. But let's kill the Raimi instead.

May 7 - 06:06 AM

Alex Mackenzie

Sam Raimi never had much liking of Venom.

How can anyone be surprised that this showed through with his interpretation of the character?

May 7 - 04:06 AM

Craig Taylor

I'd like to see them dump the Black Cat from the plans for the fourth movie and focus on Carnage and Lizard. Three villains is too many - with these two, they have one villain that Peter has reservations about fighting (Lizard) and one completely psychotic serial killer villain that can hopefully give Spidey a good thrashing.

Carnage is one of my favorite Spider-Man characters; I really hope they do him justice if he is included.

May 7 - 04:45 AM

Joe Delan

Black Cat is not a villain. She should have been used in 3 as the love triangle instead of Gwen Stacey. Bryce would have made a great Felicia Hardy and would have put even more sexual tension in the relationship.

No Carnage please!!!

Get Vulture and Scorpion and Lizard. Any of those 3 would be perfect.

May 7 - 05:28 AM

Matanuki .

You're right about that. If they weren't planning on really illustrating the Gwen Stacy story arch, which apparently is the case, then using her in this movie was simply gratuitous. Black Cat definitely would have made more sense. And they should have kept Harry on the fence for one more film. Or have Peter kill him ( or put him in the hospital) by mistake when fighting in the black suit near the end, instead of in the beginning with all that amnesia business. And yes, no Carnage. Not yet. Grace was fine as Brock, but they should have saved Venom for part 4 after switching directors. Raimi has publicly expressed that he hates Venom. All fine and good. But this is a flagship villain we're talking about. You don't let a director who has no respect for the character do a flagship villain unless you want it to turn out, well, like Spiderman 3.
[Let me go ahead and post my response to those who disagree with that last part right now. I don't hate Raimi, but he hates Venom. And that disqualifies him. Because you simply don't introduce a flagship villain in the last 20 minutes at the end of a major franchise and then... SPOILER ALERT... off him in an afterthought after a series of off the wall wise cracks.]

May 7 - 05:59 AM

joe fish

[b]BLACK CAT[/b]
This would be awesome. Some Lizard action would be good too .

May 7 - 05:35 AM

Jason Bolinger

[b]Rofl...[/b]
You'd rather have Vulture than Carnage? LOL... Seriously man... Vulture is like a 90 year old man. That's something we should NEVER see.

May 7 - 05:36 AM

Sam jacobs

If this idea has already been posted, pay no mind (I only read the first page) but I could Patrick Stewart as Vulture.

May 8 - 01:31 PM

Bradley Peinhardt

[b]Prediction: Carnage means no Raimi[/b]
I predict that if the fans and the studio/Marvel's Arad demand Carnage, then Raimi will bow out. It's never been confirmed, but I believe the rumours of Raimi giving Venom short shrift due to his dislike of the character. Carnage is too one dimensional to provide the kind character-driven story Raimi prefers (and that the series needs to pull it out of the crapper). Curt Conners/Lizard has the whole wife and kid angle, and we have yet to see a juvenile main character; Billy Conners could be a good supporting character. They would have to get creative with the Black Cat in order to avoid the whole Mary Jane love triangle hook. Basically, it'll be interesting to see if they can save the series or if it will go the way of the first Batman films. I'm pulling for them.

May 7 - 06:14 AM

Tyson Herritt

[b]MJ and PP still aren't solid and on the same page[/b]
I thought of the end with her hesitation of taking Peter's hand as they still aren't ready. Sure they dance, but they are both hurt and probably never will be the same. I think thats where this Black Cat arc will come from.

And of course I with along with every other Venom fanboy is hoping that somehow Venom survived (but how can he not when you saw Brocks Rib Cage light up and disappear), but does bring up argument on how Harry's face isn't half blown up and instead scarred. Thats what I'm thinking.

Carnage and The Lizard sound alright. But it can't be a "double team" like last time. Even though it sounded like a good idea, it got out of hand I thought. so I think the villain order should go Carnage first and Lizard second. Lizard actually being a close friend/professor to Peter, while Carnage is just a Psychopathic killer hell bent on destruction. Thats how I think anyway on that matter.

May 7 - 06:21 AM

Carl Myers

Not sure if someone already posted this...

SLIGHT SPOILERS IN THIS POST

Remember the Maximum Carnage series like 10 years ago? (wow... i'm old), anyway, Vemon had to team up with Spiderman to destroy Carnage and a bunch of other baddies? First off, bring back vemon and do like a two-phase movie... spidey vs. vemon, then spiderman/venom vs carnage... might be the way to go, plus, everyone wants to see vemon again...

Plus, Carnage by himself isn't really an interesting villian. He's terribly evil for no good reason... Venom at least has some remorse at times and is conflicted. I'd imagine he'd be sitting in a dark room writing emo songs if he wasn't too buy kicking so much ass.

May 7 - 06:25 AM

First Last

[b]Before they make 4[/b]
Can they remake 3 so it's actually good - i'll forgive them for what i saw this weekend

No Sandman, Focus on Venom, Kill Harry about 1/3 of the way through (i don't ever recall him being spiderman's robin, but i didn't read EVERY issue)

May 7 - 06:31 AM

Matanuki .

He's not Spiderman's robin. He's supposed to be a villain. I remember him being on the fence in the comic, since Peter is his friend. I don't have much of a problem with that story arch. Harry was one of the better things about this film, save for the silly amnesia segment and cliche departure.

May 7 - 06:53 AM

Jeremiah Rancourt

[b]Idiot, Harry gets amnesia in the comics[/b]
This storyline is very true to form from the comics, just condesced. Read your Spider comics before dissing a story right from their pages.

May 7 - 12:30 PM

Matthew Haynes

yeah, they shouldn't have done what they did to Venom, he deserves a whole movie to himself if you ask me and even though Topher wasn't exactly the Eddie Brock from the comics I still totally dug him. Sandman was alright but nothing special.
but anyway Lizard and Carnage sound good next but give me something in the end that makes you think Venom could still be around biding his time to come back in the 5th film to really do some damage. and the black cat should be really freaking hot...(I didn't need to say that did I?)

May 7 - 07:16 AM

Nancy Elizabeth

The Lizard's definatly going to be a bad guy. They keep on increasing his screen time with each movie, and I really like the guy that plays him.

Oh if they bring in the Black Cat, I'd be happy as a clam. It would be nice to see a female character who's main purpose in an action sceen is NOT falling down a building for Spidey to dramatically save. (although MJ did have a cool moment with a cinder block)

May 7 - 07:05 AM

Merlin Ambrosius

It's ironic that Raimi is getting ripped for the same stuff that people on websites like this one have been complaining he didin't include in the first movies.
1) Venom was in this movie only because the fans wanted him to be. Hence why he was given short threatment. Listen to what Avi Arad says, the stuido forced Raimi to include Venom. Odd enough, I actually agree with Matanuki on this one, you don't force a director to include something he doesnt LOVE. We saw what Raimi could do with subject matter he loved, and the films were better.
2) This movie was actually a lot like the comics. Harry did die helping Spiderman in the comics. Harry did get amnesia in the comics. While people complain about Raimi doing those story arcs in the movie, they also yell at him for not including story arcs from the comics. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
3) The fans of the second movie seem to forget that there was a lot of cheesyness in that movie too, but they loved it. He replicates those scenes in the third, and people are upset.
People need to take a chill pill. I'd love to see them change directors at this point, but people forget that studios can also respond to criticism. They know the hardcore fans didn't like the cheese, and wanted a more serious tone. So, for another piece of irony: we might actually get a better Spiderman 4 with Raimi at the helm responding to what we liked and didn't like, than we would if we play russian roulette and roll the 'change the director' dice. We could end up with the guy who directed Transporter.

May 7 - 07:17 AM

Matanuki .

Yikes. Now that's an image that'll give some of us nightmares. You're right about that, it'll be a major roll of the dice to change directors. But it probably would have been good thinking, since the tone should change when Venom comes into the saga, altering the story from its previously light hearted tone to more serious, less hokey... It's fine it they use things from the comic, demanded even in the interest of good business, but the cut and paste routine doesn't work. He says, "gee let's throw Gwen in there for.... ah... naw, we don't need a reason. But in the comic didn't she... Ahh feh. screw that. Let's have him save her (wink wink) for... oh bah, who needs a reason? Let's go to print... But wait, what about that Venom guy? God I hate him. I'm doing a Spiderman movie here, but who cares if this guy is the primary fan base's most beloved and anticipated villain. I hate the ugly sucker, and that's that... (in an after thought) ..Well let's just pretend he's in it and use black to market everything. The fans are stupid. They won't know the difference."
Cut and paste ruined X Men, and sadly Spiderman has fallen on the same sword.

May 7 - 07:36 AM

Merlin Ambrosius

I can see that argument. That is a legitimate argument, that goes beyond fandboy crazy hate. I do think it is acceptable to have minor characters in movies, yes? The thing is, with us fanboys Gwen isn't a minor character. So your argument isn't so much that Gwen's character shouldn't have existed in the movie, more that she shouldn't have been named Gwen. You and I don't like that Gwen finally made an appearance, and it was a bit part. I can dig that. But it shouldn't keep you from liking the movie. Let it go man. I think this movie diverged from the comics the most out of all of them, but I can't let that make me hate it. That's a silly reason to let myself get all huffy when leaving the movie. Especially when the essence of the character is maintained. He didn't change that, and that's what is most important.

May 7 - 07:53 AM

Connor Dempsey

i really dont like you because you write really long stuff, SCREW YOU!!!!!!

Jun 17 - 11:01 PM

Tyler Peterson

i hate the excuse that the comics were equally as cheesy as this movie. Spiderman 3 was completely over the top in a bad way.

May 7 - 07:45 AM

Tyler C

[b]I HOPE THEY GET A NEW EVERYONE!!![/b]
I HOPE CARNAGE FINALLY PUTS AN END TO SPIDER MAN BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THE MOVIES HAVE SUCKED BEYOND BELIEF!!! WHEN I WALKED OUT OF SPIDERMAN 3 I WANTED TO BEAT UP SOME LITTLE KIDS JUST TO GET MY MONEY BACK!!!

May 7 - 08:02 AM

Andy Grant

I agree.

They shot their load as far as villains were concerned. But everyone would have bitched if the comics weren't followed, but people forget that comic books are convoluted and that it's very difficult to squeeze 40+ years of material into a total of about 7 hours worth of film. The whole trilogy, not just three, could have been much better if Sam and the boys went for 1 or 2 villains for the entire series and paced it much slower while still maintaining the action that people want ( a la LOTR, Star Wars, etc).

May 7 - 08:30 AM

Erik Wargo

If you hate the movies so much, why do you see them?

Yur dum

May 7 - 10:05 AM

Paul Barrett

And after disliking 1 and 2 you went to 3 because why?

May 7 - 03:09 PM

gabriel rowe

[b]you guys are smoking crack[/b]
no, no , no , to the lizardman thing as well as carnage, both are lame and will make the story one demensionals . ben kingsly as the vulture and eletro as a team , the black cat is a maybe , you could do the lizard as an on going thing . but the carnage thing was at the same time as the clone thing and that was bad as bad gets . the key to these movies has been casting great actors in these roles . if they continue to do that they can possibly continue to make solid movies . if sony decides to go cheap then this is spidermans last stand .

May 7 - 08:16 AM

Philip Haedge

There's a small article from yahoo movies saying that one of the Spidey producers is coming out with a book. In it he states that instead of Venom, they were going to have the Vulture as the other baddie. Look for the Vulture to be in one of the next set of 3 movies. You can really tell Raimi could give two $hit$ about Venom. And although I don't like cheesiness that much, it seems like it belongs in Spiderman because that's Peter's personality and how the comics are written. It shouldn't be so dark and brooding like Batman.

May 7 - 08:23 AM

Jeremiah Rancourt

[b]Completely agree, Spidey is not dark[/b]
These idiots will ruin the serious by trying to get too dark, in a relatively light to moderate comic story. Spidey 3 is just about as dark as I want to go.

May 7 - 12:35 PM