About The Dark Knight Rises.... I was so glad that Dawes was gone. Her and Wayne's relationship was harmful to the first two movies because it was never convincing. I didn't miss The Joker for a 2nd either. Batman needed a new foe, one that could match him... Which is something The Joker couldn't do. I honestly didn't want another film of The Joker just wanting the world to burn. Bain's plan felt more elaborate. Better performance by both Bale and Caine. Bale was almost non existent in The Dark Knight performance wise. Just being in the middle of a tired soap opera love triangle.
I think people calling this conventional is really just the cynical nature of some folks.