[ctyankee]

We get five good/different looks at the triangle-shaped lock and its positions.

The first look comes when Betty takes it out of her purse at Club Silencio.



Notice that the lock is very near one of the edges of the box. We will call that top edge North or 12 o'clock (picture the lock as a clock). Notice also that the triangular opening of the key-hole has one side that is longer than the other two (an isosceles triangle). Notice that the "point" of the angle opposite this long side is pointing South or 6 o'clock. Now when we look at other shots of the lock, we'll always refer to that same "point" much like the small hand on a clock.

The second shot is the one when the cube is placed on Aunt Ruth's bed next to the purse. Now the "point" is pointing towards 11 o'clock.



The third shot is the one when the cube is in Rita's hands - but before the key is inserted. Now the point is pointing towards 5 o'clock.



The fourth shot is after she has made a half a full turn with the key (180 degrees). Now the point is pointing towards 11 o'clock - which is correct. 5 + 6 = 11 (6 hours being half a turn).



The fifth shot is after a reaction shot by Rita (and before she opens the cube). The hand points to 6 o'clock.



We see Rita's face registering concern. It could be because she is apprehensive about opening the cube or it could be that she registers that the position of the lock just changed from a few seconds before (or both).

Theories? Anyone?

I've messed with the numbers a little bit .. but I've got nothing.

Perhaps the cube a time portal that is controlled by the lock? If so, who controls the lock ... certainly not Rita. Is it the dreamer or someone else? Hmmmmm.

[Rochas]

This is an interesting idea, but I rather wonder if the lock-barrel on that blue box just rotates freely without any real mechanical actuation of a mechanism.

I wonder if the lid is actually held shut by friction: the sound of the box opening suggests wood painted with - I don't know - aircraft paint.

It's a prop, and doesn't have to do a great deal other than look nice and open. And when you're doing multiple takes, getting the lock-barrel to line up exactly the same place each time would be a real headache.

It is even possible that the hands in-frame are not those of Laura Elena Harring: it is common for a (less expensive) stand-in to do insert shots like this.

The shape of the triangle comprising the keyhole, having three points, is very interesting, and suggests a triumvirate.

Still, you may be onto something. Anyone else care to elaborate?

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by TristanLove
With the whole number 6 significance, could it be signifying the Cinderella concept of time is up. In Diane's case with the 6 0'clock meaning: Back to HELL (reality) for her. It starts at 6 0'clock when they first discovered it in Rita's purse. It goes all around and back to it again. Her whole situation is HELL-like. No way out (getting rid) of that blue cube (mind) except silencing it with suicide. That Blue Box is hers and hers alone that she futilely tried to disown.

Interesting idea. Or it could mean that that I'm wrong about the orientation and things are read upside down (or backwards like in the mirror that Rita looks at the poster through).

The clock upside down (but not backwards) would read 12,5,11,5,12 ... which would mean that the clock has struck 12 for her dream to end .... or .... something else ...?

[ctyankee]

Let me take a shot at that something else. I noticed that two of the numbers are repeated and only the middle number is different. That strikes me as perhaps a likely pattern. But the numbers are too few to figure anything out .. 6,11,5,11,6 ... so I looked at it a different way. Not with the numbers but with the clock.

Perhaps Lynch has given us a clue with who the reader of the cube is. It is Rita, the woman who looks at the Gilda poster through the mirror - does she or the dreamer see things mirrored or is she the mirror image of something?

I drew five clocks on a piece of paper representing the positions of the hand on the cube lock 6,11,5,11 and 6. I invite you to take a couple seconds and try this yourself. I then took them to a mirror and looked at them. Now the hands point to the numbers: 6,1,7,1,6!

61 transversed is 16! 1 + 6 = 7 ... the middle number is 7 and the last two numbers are 16! 1+6 = 7. A huge clue that 16 = 7 ... perhaps? As in literally, backwards or forwards the numbers add to 7 !!!

An additional way of looking at it is:

6+1+7+1+6= 21 .... 2+1=3 or 3 as in a love triangle, the triangular box, the triangular key etc.

So, what do you think?

[gandalf36]

I continue to disagree with you on these additions of numbers. It is completely arbitrary and it has no meaning in itself. At most, what you may obtain is pure coincidence. And Mulholland Drive is so much logical that I can't believe Lynch could seriously be an adept of that kind of tricks.

The key is probably triangular to avoid a too strong link with the real key. If the former was strictly identical to the latter, we could imagine it would immediatly kill Diane's dream.

Lynch said he didn't make the blue box but I don't know if that box was made specially for MD.

However Rochas made an interesting remark: since the barrel turns really, it means that the key hole doesn't have to be regularly oriented with the edges of the box. But it is! Again it reinforces the idea that this is not a goof. Special orientations are choosen, either by Lynch's will or because there is a real mechanism inside.

Now the argument which kills: from the different orientations of the hole, you see that they are all multiples of elementary rotations of 45 degrees and it means that at least one of your hour is wrong ctyankee!!! It can't be an integer number of hours in each case. (3 hours for a rotation of 90 degrees implies 1h30 only for 45 degrees!!!)

In reality, with your convention it is the series
12 4.5 10.5 4.5 12
but again I say these numbers are not unique. You could have describe the key hole orientations in degrees as
0 135 335 135 0
or as
0 3 7 3 0
or as
8 3 7 3 8
etc...

The only plausible interpretations I see are:

1) yes, this series is symmetrical as if it was an indication that we are now crossing a mirror and entering a symmetrical world from Betty's world.

2) since when Rita opens the box, the orientation of the hole is identical to what it was at the begining, it could symbolically mean that the key was in fact unnecessary to open the box. A way to say : "Diane: your mind is the real key. Only you can open that box"

3) When Rita opens the door, the large edge of the triangle is near the edge of the box, as to show the side to open it.

[Rochas]

We can all pack up and go home.

I just went out and purchased the actual prop Blue-Box and prop Blue-Box Key on Ebay (for more than many people would outlay on an SUV), and proudly announce that they should be in my possession within 52 hours.

These artefacts will then be immediately conveyed to Switzerland where they will be subjected to destructive scientific analysis by the CERN team in Geneva who may very likely insert them into a particle accelerator or even a cyclotron in order to penetrate the multidimensional secrets they contain.

And once the hand-picked team of Nobel Laureates have plumbed the secrets of the artefacts in question, we shall have the irrefutable proof, the answer, the final and resounding conclusion of our obsessive inquiry.

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by gandalf36
Now the argument which kills: from the different orientations of the hole, you see that they are all multiples of elementary rotations of 45 degrees and it means that at least one of your hour is wrong ctyankee!!! It can't be an integer number of hours in each case. (3 hours for a rotation of 90 degrees implies 1h30 only for 45 degrees!!!)

In reality, with your convention it is the series
12 4.5 10.5 4.5 12
but again I say these numbers are not unique. You could have describe the key hole orientations in degrees as
0 135 335 135 0
or as
0 3 7 3 0
or as
8 3 7 3 8
etc...

I first need to understand your opinion. Certainly a circle has 360 degrees. The "elementary rotations" of 45 degrees ... I don't follow ... what rotations are you referring to and how to they relate to 45 degrees? What do you mean by elementary? Please also explain your series of numbers so that I can follow your line of thought.

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by Rochas
We can all pack up and go home.

I just went out and purchased the actual prop Blue-Box and prop Blue-Box Key on Ebay (for more than many people would outlay on an SUV), and proudly announce that they should be in my possession within 52 hours.

These artefacts will then be immediately conveyed to Switzerland where they will be subjected to destructive scientific analysis by the CERN team in Geneva who may very likely insert them into a particle accelerator or even a cyclotron in order to penetrate the multidimensional secrets they contain.

And once the hand-picked team of Nobel Laureates have plumbed the secrets of the artefacts in question, we shall have the irrefutable proof, the answer, the final and resounding conclusion of our obsessive inquiry.

SUV ... you could have said Ford, Chevy or motor home but you chose to use SUV ... hmmmm U is the 21st letter of the alphabet 2+1=3 therefore U are 3 or U are the triangle ... also SUV is a three letter acronym ... again the number 3.

Further, you could have said 48 hours or such but you went with 52 hours. Why? 5+2=7 .... coincidence ... I think not ... obviously Lynch is projecting through you.

ctyankee

(who clearly has gone too close to an unshielded cyclotron ....)

[Papilù]

Have you used only the addition? I was thinking about subtraction, multiplication and division.

[gandalf36]

Sorry, Ctyankee, I should have been clearer.

360 degrees is equivalent to a whole turn.
If you use only turns of 45 degrees, it means one 1/8 of a full turn each, that is you need to make eight times one turn of 45 degrees to make 360 degrees.

I simply observe that all the orientations of the keyhole are made by using only "elementary" turns of 45 degrees each. If I convert in hours it makes 1.5 hour or 1h 30mn for each turn of 45 degrees.

First I start from 0 degrees. (zero or 12 o'clock for you)

To pass from the first orientation of the hole to second, I need 3 times an elementary turn of 45 degrees. It makes 135 degrees.
( that is 135 degrees = 4.5 hours = 4h 30 mn for you but not 5 hours !!!)

To pass from the first to the third I need 7 times an elementary rotation of 45 degrees. It makes 335 degrees.
(and 335 degrees = 10.5 hours but not 11 hours!)

To pass from the first to the fourth, I need again 135 degres.
(again it makes 10.5 hours or 135 degrees )

To the fifth, I go back to 0 since it the same.

So it makes 0 135 335 135 0.

If you want to count in 1/8 of a full turn instead, you obtain the numbers (0 3 7 3 0). And zero is equivalent to 8, so you could write (8 3 7 3 8).

All of that to say that the numbers 5 and 11 in your series were not correct. But at least you made an important remark: these numbers correct or not are making a symmetrical series about the middle, as if there was some kind or temporal mirror symmetry between the world before the blue box and after the blue box.

Haven't you have the feeling that the second part of movie was like the first but in negative and in reverse order. Then the middle of the movie is exactly when the key hole is at 335 degrees orientation. That's the middle of the series and of the movie!
(my opinion)

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by gandalf36
Sorry, Ctyankee, I should have been clearer.

360 degrees is equivalent to a whole turn.
If you use only turns of 45 degrees, it means one 1/8 of a full turn each, that is you need to make eight times one turn of 45 degrees to make 360 degrees.

I simply observe that all the orientations of the keyhole are made by using only "elementary" turns of 45 degrees each. If I convert in hours it makes 1.5 hour or 1h 30mn for each turn of 45 degrees.

Yes, but why 45 degrees? If you are going to convert to hours, why aren't you using 1/12 of a full turn (12 hours on a rotary clock) rather than 1/8 of a full turn?

Is your choice of 45 degrees arbitrary or is there a significance that I'm overlooking?

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by Papilù
Have you used only the addition? I was thinking about subtraction, multiplication and division.

You are correct. I only tried addition but I thought about the other operations. The problem with subtraction is that most results run quickly into negative numbers. Multiplication gets the number very high, very quickly and division leads to remainders.

My guess is that mixing operations like addition and subtraction or addition and multiplication etc. would be considered (by many) to be too arbitrary ....as in trying to manufacture a solution ...

Maybe I'm wrong and it's worth a shot. I'd love to know if you find anything ..

[gandalf36]

Ctyankee,

yes, when you are using complete hours it means 1/12 of a full turn and it always makes integer multiples of 30 degrees
(because 12*30=360 degrees) . But you agree you can't do 45 degrees with one integer number of hours:
45 degrees = 1 hour and 30 minutes

However between the first shot and (the second, the third, and the fourth) all rotations of the keyhole are described with an ODD number of times 45 degrees. It means you will always have to take into account half an hour somewhere. Or if you don't want to use half integers, you simply can't use hour units.

In other words, if you want to use hours to describe the hole orientation, you have to introduce half integer hours like i said
12 hours , 4.5 hours , 10.5 hours , 4.5 hours , 12 hours

Your error was coming from the fact you used one tip of the triangle to read the hours, instead of the middle of the big edge of the triangle like you did for 12 o'clock, the first orientation. So first and last numbers are correct and the three numbers in the middle are not.

But all your calculations depend strongly of the units you choose: hours instead of degrees or 1/8 of a turn or any other unit...Changing for another one would lead to completely different series and results.

Concerning your answer to Papilu, I interprete it as an begining of understanding that with mathematical operations, you can get anything and you loose any meaning. For example, you could say
17 is linked to 7 because 1*7 =7. So what?

For me, when Lynch says I want 16 because 1+6=7 and I like 7, I immediatly think he's only kidding. Because it leads nowhere.
Like "I like 16 because I like 7"!!! So what???
However, if you try to link the number 7 or 16 to some remarquable event which has to do with Diane's live, then I say ok. She puts a 16 on Adam's room, because she was in apt 16 ...

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by gandalf36
Ctyankee,

However between the first shot and (the second, the third, and the fourth) all rotations of the keyhole are described with an ODD number of times 45 degrees. It means you will always have to take into account half an hour somewhere. Or if you don't want to use half integers, you simply can't use hour units.

In other words, if you want to use hours to describe the hole orientation, you have to introduce half integer hours like i said
12 hours , 4.5 hours , 10.5 hours , 4.5 hours , 12 hours

Your error was coming from the fact you used one tip of the triangle to read the hours, instead of the middle of the big edge of the triangle like you did for 12 o'clock, the first orientation. So first and last numbers are correct and the three numbers in the middle are not.

If you used a half integer ... wouldn't you just use 1/24 or 15 degrees?

Are you saying that you think my first integer is 12? Because I think it is 6. Or are you saying that it should have been 12? Why do you think that using the middle of the longest line is appropriate? I must be missing your point.

You mention that 12 is a correct beginning and end (opposite 6). Then wouldn't the next number be 5 which is opposite 11? In a circle, isn't there always a number opposite each integer?

[gandalf36]

Okay, lets try again...! You are not far.

first case) If you use hour units, it means you want to describe the rotations of the triangle with multiples of 30 degrees (because each one hour rotation is equivalent to 30 degrees). But you can't use only integer hours here because sometimes the triangle turns by multiples of 45 degrees, not 30. Then you necessarely need half integer hours to represent these rotations : (12 4.5 10.5 4.5 12) Here I'm considering a circle divided in parts of 1/12, like in a usual clock. Like you did.

second case) Instead if you use rotations of mutiples of 45 degrees then now its ok. This is no more a usual clock but
now a circle divided in parts of 1/8. You still get a series of numbers (8 3 7 3 8) each number represents the number of times you need a rotation of 45 degrees to represent the orientation of the hole.

third case) The same with smaller rotations of 15 degrees. You then three times more rotations than for rotations of 45 degrees or two times more rotations than for rotations of 30 degrees. So the numbers are two times bigger than in the first case and three times bigger than in the second case: (24 9 21 9 24) Its like considering a circle divided in parts of 1/24.

Only in the first case, you see you can't have integers in the series.

Now a last comment: you made 5 shots but the one in the middle is unnecessary. Because it is continuously linked to the fourth shot since it represents the state of the box just before and just after Rita turned the key. You can omit it, and keep the four others. Then the first number (12) is identical to the last (12 again), and the second number (4.5) is identical to third (4.5 again). This is the mirror symmetry I'm talking here:
(12 --> 4.5 --> x <-- 4.5 <-- 12)
I interpret x as the "symbolic middle" of the movie, just at the end of Betty's world and at the begining of Diane's world.


That symmetry above has nothing to do with the "opposite" symmetry in which 12 is opposite to 6 and 11 to 5 ...etc you are talking about. Forget about it because both 11 and 5 were wrong, and this is not the correct symmetry at all because of the two 12s.

Okay?

[gandalf36]

oops i need to correct the third case just above :

third case) The same with smaller rotations of 15 degrees. You need then three times more rotations than for rotations of 45 degrees or two times more rotations than for rotations of 30 degrees. So the numbers are three times bigger than in the first case and two times bigger than in the second case: (24 9 21 9 24) Its like considering a circle divided in parts of 1/24 (like half an hour units)

[Rochas]

Has anyone determined if David Lynch is a Swatch .beat wearer, resulting in the possibility that the increments are not degrees of arc, but tics of a 1000-beat international clock?

[ctyankee]

Scary ...

I thought about making the same Swatch time observation, but took a took a different crack at observational humor.

Thoughts while shaving ...

I wonder if Lynch runs his watch deliberately slow or deliberately fast? Or does he prefer a watch that keeps really good time or one that doesn't keep good time?

[Papilù]

Originally posted by ctyankee
You are correct. I only tried addition but I thought about the other operations. The problem with subtraction is that most results run quickly into negative numbers. Multiplication gets the number very high, very quickly and division leads to remainders.

My guess is that mixing operations like addition and subtraction or addition and multiplication etc. would be considered (by many) to be too arbitrary ....as in trying to manufacture a solution ...

Maybe I'm wrong and it's worth a shot. I'd love to know if you find anything ..

I have to think about it yet, I haven’t tried yet because I didn’t really put my mind on these issues these days, I’m busy with other issues, I was just thinking about the possibility. I mean, division leads to remainders, it’s true, but in this way you have a principal number and secondary numbers. I only tried one time with division, and the main number I get is 8. I tried with the original sequence 6, 11, 5, 11, 6, without mirroring I mean. I get: 11: 6 = 1,8 (I keep the first decimal only) – then 11:5 = 2,2 – then 2,2 again, then 1,8. If I add these numbers I get 8. If I add 1+8 = 9 2+2 = 4 2+2=4 1+8=9 (9+4+4+9) I get 26, 6+2=8. The order of division is rather arbitrary, I kept 11 as higher number. About number 8 I can’t say anything, I mean, if you put it in horizontal it is the symbol of infinite, that’s all. But this is the only division I tried. I understand it could be very arbitrary. Anyway, I saw that you get the number 3 even if, with addition, you keep the original sequence 6, 11, 5, 11, 6 (you get 39 = 9+3=12, 1+2=3) or even 6, 1+1, 5, 1+1, 6 = 21 (2+1=3).

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by Papilù
Anyway, I saw that you get the number 3 even if, with addition, you keep the original sequence 6, 11, 5, 11, 6 (you get 39 = 9+3=12, 1+2=3) or even 6, 1+1, 5, 1+1, 6 = 21 (2+1=3).

That's interesting and a nice pickup.

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by gandalf36
Now a last comment: you made 5 shots but the one in the middle is unnecessary. Because it is continuously linked to the fourth shot since it represents the state of the box just before and just after Rita turned the key. You can omit it, and keep the four others. Then the first number (12) is identical to the last (12 again), and the second number (4.5) is identical to third (4.5 again). This is the mirror symmetry I'm talking here:
(12 --> 4.5 --> x <-- 4.5 <-- 12)
I interpret x as the "symbolic middle" of the movie, just at the end of Betty's world and at the begining of Diane's world.

If the lock position changes, it changes. To not use use one of the positions would be very arbitrary. I believe you were (correctly) trying to tell us about the last (missing) position - for a while. You can't have it both ways ....

That symmetry above has nothing to do with the "opposite" symmetry in which 12 is opposite to 6 and 11 to 5 ...etc you are talking about. Forget about it because both 11 and 5 were wrong, and this is not the correct symmetry at all because of the two 12s.

Okay?

I'm just trying to work with your thoughts. I believed you to say that the middle of the long side of the triangle is what should be used to determine the clock's position - correct? So, if you were to believe that the middle of the line is pointing (first position) to 12 then you should be able to draw a straight line through the triangle to/through its opposite angle. This line would then be going through the 6. Obviously, I'm having trouble following your discussion points so I'm just thought this would be a way for you to explain it to me. Therefore, if you tell me the 180 degree point from the points you are referencing (and believe to be correct) then maybe it will help.

[gandalf36]

1) Ok, you took a shot of the hole just before Rita inserts the key and just after. My opinion was to keep only the shot just after but it's arbitrary. Forget. It's wrong. But observe that the hole just before insertion is not completely right... (a small defect)

2) My "opposite" symmetry is better called a "central" symmetry: 12 with 6, 11 with 5, 10 with 4 ...etc these pairs of numbers are all linked by that "central" symmetry. I was saying that THAT symmetry IS NOT useful here. You are right it's like a turn of 180 degrees.

Instead consider "left/right" or "mirror" symmetry: 12 with 12, 11 with 1, 10 with 2, 9 with 3 ...etc. THIS is the symmetry I'm talking about and I'm saying that that symmetry is relevant here. It's like a mirror symmetry which symbolically correspond to the mirror symmetry of MD: the happy life of Betty from one side, the sad life of Diane in reverse order on the other. The third shot of the hole on the box is THE fondamental instant at which the movie pass from the Betty's life to Diane's life. Okay?

[gandalf36]

Oh no!!! ... Sorry again. I'm trying to answer your questions and it makes me more confused!

Concerning the "mirror" symmetry of point 2) I was explaining, it is ONLY an EXAMPLE of mirror symmetry but it is NOT exactly the mirror symmetry relevant to the blue box state I wanted to talk about. It is another one. The mirror symmetry relevant for MD is
in the series
(12 --> 4.5 --> x <-- 4.5 <-- 12)
as I said before. It represents the fact that the hole starts to turn in one way and then at some moment it comes back to its original orientation, so that the state of the hole at the middle of the series (the "x") is the instant which represents the symbolic middle of Mulholland Drive. As I said :

"the happy life of Betty from one side, the sad life of Diane in reverse order on the other. The third shot of the hole on the box is then THE fondamental instant at which the movie passes from Betty's life to Diane's life."

I hope it's clearer now...

[ctyankee]

Originally posted by gandalf36
Oh no!!! ... Sorry again. I'm trying to answer your questions and it makes me more confused!

Concerning the "mirror" symmetry of point 2) I was explaining, it is ONLY an EXAMPLE of mirror symmetry but it is NOT exactly the mirror symmetry relevant to the blue box state I wanted to talk about. It is another one. The mirror symmetry relevant for MD is
in the series
(12 --> 4.5 --> x <-- 4.5 <-- 12)
as I said before. It represents the fact that the hole starts to turn in one way and then at some moment it comes back to its original orientation, so that the state of the hole at the middle of the series (the "x") is the instant which represents the symbolic middle of Mulholland Drive. As I said :

"the happy life of Betty from one side, the sad life of Diane in reverse order on the other. The third shot of the hole on the box is then THE fondamental instant at which the movie passes from Betty's life to Diane's life."

I hope it's clearer now...

Yes it is. Why do you think that the third shot is the instant it passes from one life to another rather than the physical opening of the box?

[gandalf36]

It is my supposition that if Lynch put such a mirror symmetry in the different orientations of the hole, it is to announce the switch of lifes (Betty's to Diane's) which is also a kind of mirror symmetry as I said.

In other words, if there are two symbolic mirror symmetries in that movie, it is much more elegant if they have exactly the same center because it is as if they amplify each other. Otherwise, if they does not have the same center, it is as if "they destroy each other".

Moreover what I say does not depend on the units (hours or degrees or anything else) to represent the orientations of the hole. And it is really linked to the story, too. So it really makes sens to me. It has a kind of symbolic meaning.

So if I am right, the instant at which Rita inserts the key is the "key moment" of the film for Lynch. What is fun is that it is not the moment Diane wakes up, but the moment in her dream she asks herself WHO she is, the moment at which she decides to insert the key. Observe that at that moment, Betty has already disappeared and Diane has not yet appeared.

The fondamental question of her identity must be the center of the film.

Convinced?

[ctyankee]

Gandalf/All,

Symbolism is fine. That's the beauty of MD and other Lynch movies, they are very open to interpretation. I was just chatting with someone that believes that that is one reason there is such a polarization of opinions on his movies. I would agree as well as agreeing that there is a duality nature within MD and other of Lynch's films.

I was reading some of The Complete Lynch. A good book but very weak on MD (just an update, if you will from the originally published book). It talked a little bit about numbers and puzzles in other of Lynch's films. That got me thinking about different ways of looking at things ...

Let's take another look at the numbers, revealed on the 5 clock/lock positions :

6,11,5,11,6

6+1+7, 1+5+1=7, 1+6=7

7 7 7 or if you prefer 7+7+7=21=2+1=3

Remember the mirror image results of seeing a clock through the reflection on a mirror?

6,1,7,1,6

6+1=7, 7=7, 1+6=7

7 7 7 or once again in you prefer 21 or 2+1=3

So, forwards and backwards we get three 7's or sevens that become 3's.

Pretty neat huh?

[gandalf36]

Hey, Ctyankee, Tristanlove is right. That's really neat! You started from a symmetrical series and you got another one! It confirms my opinion that MD is deeply symmetrical...

But I would prefer operations which have a direct interpretation with Diane's mind.

By the way, thank you Ctyankee, Tristanlove. I'm happy to see that you found my last messages interesting... I shall do my best to continue.

[civilsavage]

this may seem a little off-the-cuff but... i can't believe even i overlooked this. but notice the SHAPE of the blue cube's opening. a triangle. a DELTA. is this a vaginal symbol? is the "key" then a penis? is it the best that Diane can even FANTASIZE about with regard to her drive to "possess" camilla and "fit" into the deepest and darkest of camilla's holy holes? and it becomes more detached and desperate since bewigged "rita"/diane's dream-doppleganger is sticking the key into the lock and unlocking the "mystery" that "rita" and "bettie" were attempting to solve (so naively and childishly) for the greater part of diane's dream? grrr.... someone say something that doesn't make me feel crazy!!! "mulholland drive madness" is totally setting in...

[katie with the helmet]

This makes sence. If you look closely, in the bedside drawer (the one diane opens up when she gets the gun) there is a clock turned onto is front (or back, I don't remember).

~Katie~

[olea]

I know but I'm not sure if that's true