[critikk]

I really cannot believe what I just saw.

Spielberg has had one of the most lucrative and prestigious careers that any man could have in the modern world, Not to mention capturing the imagination of a whole generation with his wonderful films bringing his visions to life in ways that stretch beyond possibilities.

What burden he must bear as a filmmaker.

Each epic film he makes has the power to write historic events into the minds of the viewer in ways beyond any experience could manifest.

With such power at his hand, wouldn't an abuse of that power be a crime against humanity itself - I ask?

This brings me to the issue I would like to raise.

The Hollywood machine has always been seen as being Jewish controlled, and when Spielberg made Schinders List - the whole world felt the pain of the Jews during those dark times. A political film? Yes. but the period was quite far into the past - and clearly enough evidence was at hand to say that the film could be an accurate story to represent that time/ events in history in a light of truth. An acceptable work of cinema art - and wonderful performances matched with a passionate effort all round.

But now, with the release of his most political film yet... Munich - it seems that his loyalties are clear. And much to my disappointment, this film goes against everything that true film makers should stand for.

Is it that after 23 films, his 24th must pay tribute to the financial forces that have helped him make the last 23 - with little or no intervention to date?... has he been pruned by the Zionists to finally show his true purpose in later life? - A cheap merchant of propaganda for the neo conservative/ Zionist world bankers, who are attempting to enslave us all into a global fascist state?

It seems Spielberg has made his loyalties clear, and they don't rest with the peaceful human beings on this planet fighting for freedom, but the evil forces at work to promote this never ending war on terrorism. He has clearly sided with the real terrorists - the establishment that hold us in constant fear to control us all and take away our potential for a peaceful future on this planet.

Artists have a responsibility at this crucial time in history. To bring us the truth, and to shine the light for humanity. - but it seems that now is crunch time - "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" as Bush bluntly puts it.

After seeing this film Spielberg has made his stance clear, which deeply disappoints me. It's a similar feeling to finding out that Michael Jackson was a child molester (not that it's true) and all of those memories that have become part of the person I am have been shattered.

This may seem rather dramatic, and hard to understand, but I hope some people can see where I am coming from.

Munich is a blatant Zionist propaganda film.

From the start to the finish, you can feel the shame in the acting - and as the controversial story unfolds.. the pro Israeli viewpoint is as clear as can be.

I accuse all involved in that film of selling their soul.... true artists - certainly not. more like mere pawns in the illuminati's agenda to brainwash us all to believe what we see and hear - and to not ask questions.. after all how could someone like Steven Spielberg tell lies... they wouldn't go to the trouble of making such a big budget film and get it all wrong, would they?

Well, the answer is not so simple.
There are so many inconsistencies in that film. Too many to mention here.
I assume whoever is reading this, has already seen the film and may have read some of the main points brought up against this film.

To make a film about one of the most controversial political events in history is asking for trouble. And to package it up with such a pro Israeli, and very obvious link to the 911 tragedy/ war on terror, is even more astounding.


The killer for me was the very last shot of the film showing the New York skyline (with the 2 towers in the background) and the text overlaid " NINE of the ELEVEN terrorists involved in the Munich killings were killed" - - Spot the Subliminal???? do they really think that we are that dumb?

If you ask me this film is an insult to the intelligence of whoever watches it... and confirms that these powerful Zionists think we are like sheep who will simply accept anything we see in the cinema.

It is also a known fact that Hollywood does screening tests on small audiences of around 200 people before releasing a film, and makes changes to the edit based on this small snapshot of people's views... do they think we are all the same (like sheep) or what???

One the other hand, I cannot believe that the new film SYRIANA, came out of the same Hollywood as this film - that film was a surprise to me, and restored some faith in Hollywood, as an industry supporting the fight for our freedom.

As we will see in years to come..... huge tragedy and intense propaganda - balanced with inspirational events, and acts that touch the human heart.

The film Munich to me was not a work of art from the heart of a true film maker, but a reluctantly made payback to the dark forces that have funded this amazing director for his entire career.... is it crunch time now to show which side YOUR on?

I think we will all be faced with this decision in the coming years... to either shut up and keep your head down, or stand up for humanity and be strong.

I will always stand up for what I believe in, when you loose this - you have nothing. Shame on you Steven Spielberg, you have turned your back on us all.. and you are too damn intelligent and talented to be excused for ignorance on this one... At least we know who's side your on now.

[The Big Spiel]

No, not propaganda.

A challenging and bold film- that looks at the moral and ethical implications and extent of personal toll that it takes for a good man to kill evil men, Even then, that's oversimplifying it.

What Spielberg is doing goes against the traditional grain of Hollywood, but sooner or later, there have to be questions raised objectively within the veyr insitutions that Spileber has made all his films. This takes courage and balls. and I admire him for it.

"Munich" is one of the finest films in recent times to raise relevant questions and to generate debate on sensitive subject matter that relates to what happenned today.

However, in order to further film sometimes it is necessary to push the boundary. Why haven't there been criticism's on "GNGL"? What about possible hypocrisy with "Brokeback"? Irrational you might ask? sure it certainly is, and if the press cannot get over the fact that its just as irrational to lambast and smear "Munich", that's there problem for not appreciating films that trigger issues that are necessary to have open debate on. "Munich" is an open debate film. And if anything, Spielberg through taking this bold step, has ventured into new and innovative terrotory a touchstone for a new phase in his career. To look at issues that normally Hollywood would be blind to, objectively. That it comes from the most traditional of filmmakers in modern times is a testiment to his ability to sense the change- as it happens in its trends in Hollywood. Sometimes, even to define and redefine a trend. Like it or not, he has achieved this again with "Munich". Regardless how it does with OScars, it is the one film that dares to question things many overlook and not the political way- ethics!

Of course the challenge for us, as devoted Spielberg fans, is to accept that he has redefined his traditional ways= the only way I reckon for filmmakers of yesteryear to keep up with changes withint their own institutions. I dont know whether you have concluded through your verdict that you ahve lost faith in Spielberg or not but a true Spielberg fan, like me, even with some films I have been critical of in his past, will accept the change. But don't worry. If "Lincoln" ever gets made, then we may appreciate a bit of the old with a bit of the new Spielberg!

[critikk]

I'm sorry, but this film has made his political position clear.

The problem is that as a film maker, he should not have a position at all.

Spielberg is not going against the Hollywood grain with this movie - rather the opposite. Serving the illuminati agenda like a slave. Bowing to the evil forces in the world spreading fear and dark energy.. serving his masters.

Look at SYRIANA - That film goes against the grain.

I bet you that he will get best picture for Munich - but SYRIANA will be swept under the carpet - which is a FAR better film.

If you stand for humanity - you should be angry with Speilberg like the rest of us. I bet you anything he is ashamed of that film, it's a clear passionless effort from a man who can no longer call himself an artist, for it is the artists who can save us from this dark future. Now we know who's side he is on - THIS IS WAR.

[The Big Spiel]

Originally Posted by critikk

I'm sorry, but this film has made his political position clear.

The problem is that as a film maker, he should not have a position at all.

Spielberg is not going against the Hollywood grain with this movie - rather the opposite. Serving the illuminati agenda like a slave. Bowing to the evil forces in the world spreading fear and dark energy.. serving his masters.

Look at SYRIANA - That film goes against the grain.

I bet you that he will get best picture for Munich - but SYRIANA will be swept under the carpet - which is a FAR better film.

If you stand for humanity - you should be angry with Speilberg like the rest of us. I bet you anything he is ashamed of that film, it's a clear passionless effort from a man who can no longer call himself an artist, for it is the artists who can save us from this dark future. Now we know who's side he is on - THIS IS WAR.

He, he! I'm not declaring war on you , Critikk! This is a constructive and sensible debate that we are having. Funny you say though on artists who can save us from this dark future. It is amusing considering, in Australia, there have been artworks ranging from anti-semitic statements on shop windows, to sculptures that literally depict the flesh through constructign sculptures with RAW MEAT.

I think what I'm trying to get at is that these art works have, believe it or not, been overall, far more lambasted than "Munich". I appreciate your sentiment but again, it is a bit idealist (don't worry, I can be a bit like that too) For the record though, I am not saying its right or wrong to kill a terrorist but what other measures are appropriate to keep them from disrupting and putting more innocent lives at risk?

I don't necessarily think it makes me inhuman to appreciate a film like "Munich". It's just I see it as cinema and if anything, it is a mor credible art form than these instances that I mentioned to you above, because well, "Munich" is an inquiry film it asks quesitons and prompts ask to ask more.

(On that note, I'm sorry to answer your question with a question but some films work like that.)

It is not inhuman to look at issues objectively ironically, it is idealist in a way, because not enough people do it- Spielberg asked the tough quesitons in SPR for instance, and he dared give a human face to the Nazis- does that makes us inhuman for seeign that film? He is telling a human story with inhuman actions. But because in "Munich", just like "SPR" it is about people and their emotions, how can that be inhuman?

[critikk]

shall we just carry on in this thread?...

I understand your views, but the point is that it is a very touchy debate, and Spielberg was wrong to get involved by making a film and dragging up issues from the past...We are all trying to look at a bright future and forgetting these horrible events is the way to move on.

It's irrelevant who is right or wrong here - the point is that we are all working towards peace.

This film does NOT help the peace protest ONE LITTLE BIT.

All it is doing is stirring up unneccasary hate and dividing the two sides even more. Why couldn't he make a film about a future Isreal ? and create a positive vision of a peaceful country where the Palestinians and Jews live and work together?

Surely this would have achieved far more, and enlightened/Inspired people in the right way?

Do you disagree, or can you accept that he could have picked a better subject matter considering the current political climate?

[billwh]

Originally Posted by critikk

I really cannot believe what I just saw.

Spielberg has had one of the most lucrative and prestigious careers that any man could have in the modern world, Not to mention capturing the imagination of a whole generation with his wonderful films bringing his visions to life in ways that stretch beyond possibilities.

What burden he must bear as a filmmaker.

Each epic film he makes has the power to write historic events into the minds of the viewer in ways beyond any experience could manifest.

With such power at his hand, wouldn't an abuse of that power be a crime against humanity itself - I ask?

This brings me to the issue I would like to raise.

The Hollywood machine has always been seen as being Jewish controlled, and when Spielberg made Schinders List - the whole world felt the pain of the Jews during those dark times. A political film? Yes. but the period was quite far into the past - and clearly enough evidence was at hand to say that the film could be an accurate story to represent that time/ events in history in a light of truth. An acceptable work of cinema art - and wonderful performances matched with a passionate effort all round.

But now, with the release of his most political film yet... Munich - it seems that his loyalties are clear. And much to my disappointment, this film goes against everything that true film makers should stand for.

Is it that after 23 films, his 24th must pay tribute to the financial forces that have helped him make the last 23 - with little or no intervention to date?... has he been pruned by the Zionists to finally show his true purpose in later life? - A cheap merchant of propaganda for the neo conservative/ Zionist world bankers, who are attempting to enslave us all into a global fascist state?

It seems Spielberg has made his loyalties clear, and they don't rest with the peaceful human beings on this planet fighting for freedom, but the evil forces at work to promote this never ending war on terrorism. He has clearly sided with the real terrorists - the establishment that hold us in constant fear to control us all and take away our potential for a peaceful future on this planet.

Artists have a responsibility at this crucial time in history. To bring us the truth, and to shine the light for humanity. - but it seems that now is crunch time - "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" as Bush bluntly puts it.

After seeing this film Spielberg has made his stance clear, which deeply disappoints me. It's a similar feeling to finding out that Michael Jackson was a child molester (not that it's true) and all of those memories that have become part of the person I am have been shattered.

This may seem rather dramatic, and hard to understand, but I hope some people can see where I am coming from.

Munich is a blatant Zionist propaganda film.

From the start to the finish, you can feel the shame in the acting - and as the controversial story unfolds.. the pro Israeli viewpoint is as clear as can be.

I accuse all involved in that film of selling their soul.... true artists - certainly not. more like mere pawns in the illuminati's agenda to brainwash us all to believe what we see and hear - and to not ask questions.. after all how could someone like Steven Spielberg tell lies... they wouldn't go to the trouble of making such a big budget film and get it all wrong, would they?

Well, the answer is not so simple.
There are so many inconsistencies in that film. Too many to mention here.
I assume whoever is reading this, has already seen the film and may have read some of the main points brought up against this film.

To make a film about one of the most controversial political events in history is asking for trouble. And to package it up with such a pro Israeli, and very obvious link to the 911 tragedy/ war on terror, is even more astounding.


The killer for me was the very last shot of the film showing the New York skyline (with the 2 towers in the background) and the text overlaid " NINE of the ELEVEN terrorists involved in the Munich killings were killed" - - Spot the Subliminal???? do they really think that we are that dumb?

If you ask me this film is an insult to the intelligence of whoever watches it... and confirms that these powerful Zionists think we are like sheep who will simply accept anything we see in the cinema.

It is also a known fact that Hollywood does screening tests on small audiences of around 200 people before releasing a film, and makes changes to the edit based on this small snapshot of people's views... do they think we are all the same (like sheep) or what???

One the other hand, I cannot believe that the new film SYRIANA, came out of the same Hollywood as this film - that film was a surprise to me, and restored some faith in Hollywood, as an industry supporting the fight for our freedom.

As we will see in years to come..... huge tragedy and intense propaganda - balanced with inspirational events, and acts that touch the human heart.

The film Munich to me was not a work of art from the heart of a true film maker, but a reluctantly made payback to the dark forces that have funded this amazing director for his entire career.... is it crunch time now to show which side YOUR on?

I think we will all be faced with this decision in the coming years... to either shut up and keep your head down, or stand up for humanity and be strong.

I will always stand up for what I believe in, when you loose this - you have nothing. Shame on you Steven Spielberg, you have turned your back on us all.. and you are too damn intelligent and talented to be excused for ignorance on this one... At least we know who's side your on now.

I couldn't care less what the Director's political views are. I was able to "tune out" all that stuff, and watch the film on it's own merits as a film. I give it a 10/10, mainly on the Direction. The acting, the script, they're all good ; but Speilberg has earned a Best Director nomination.

[critikk]

Originally Posted by billwh

I couldn't care less what the Director's political views are. I was able to "tune out" all that stuff, and watch the film on it's own merits as a film. I give it a 10/10, mainly on the Direction. The acting, the script, they're all good ; but Speilberg has earned a Best Director nomination.

In my opinion (political views aside) the film was poorly acted, reluctantly directed - generally a passionless effort, if you can't see that I would suggest you watch some quality films to reference what constitutes a good film.

It doesn't matter whether you care about Speilbergs political views or not, the point is that he broke the rules as an artist and turned into a propaganda merchant. Films speak directly to your sub-consious which is where your beliefs are stored - and as you may be able to "tune out" and ignore these subliminal messages - 90% of the other people that have seen it will have the messages deeply ingrained in their belief system.

Why is he using his powers in a negative way?

We are supposed to be evolving our consciousness, and artists should be helping... not taking the sides of the fear mongers.

[bjstokes]

I'm in 100% agreement (with the original post)

[dnharris14]

I waited for the DVD. Turned it off after an hour and a half (bored stiff) and watched the last hour the next day. It's been a long time since I've watched a Spielberg flick and felt like I saw a great picture when it ended. I guess I'll have to wait a little longer. Since Private Ryan we have had to endure, AI, Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can, The Terminal and War of the Worlds. The only one that was remotely enjoyable was Catch Me. At least Munich was good enough to absolve him for War of the Worlds, but he's done better and can do better in the future. Hopefully its just that his biorhythms have been off for a few years. Here's hoping for better times to come.

PS. Think he can stay away from Tom Cruise?

[daw]

Critikk, I respect your feelings about this movie as you stated in your original post but I am really surprised that you see this film as being blatant Zionist propaganda. True, the film depicts the graphic killing of the Israeli Olympic athletes thereby casting the Black September group in a bad light (and rightly so). Also the film has scenes such as the one where Avner's mother justifies her son's actions (though she doesn't know exactly what he's done) as necessary to preserve the Jewish state of Israel.



But the film also has scenes like the one where the Palestinian talks to Avner and justifies his fighting against Israel, and the scene clearly depicts Avner's internal struggle with that conversation - to me that scene is far from pro-Zionist. And the film clearly shows that by exacting revenge on the Black September group, Avner pays a heavy price on just about every level - physically, emotionally, and morally. At the end of the movie he has effectively turned his back on Israel and on the "ends justifies the means" mentality of his government. Hardly a pro-Zionist ending. There are also scenes where other Palestinians state that the Israeli's are killing 100's of Palestinians every month in the occupied territory - again, dialogue that is hardly pro-Zionist.



To me this film so clearly shows how protagonists on both sides have strong, moral (from their viewpoint) and principled reasons for their actions; they see their violent actions as necessary to conteract the violence of the other side. But most important, the film shows that in the end no real victory is achieved by either side - violence begets more violence, what starts as justified retribution quickly leads down a slippery slope from which there can be no good/moral outcome. And I feel that this is also the point of showing the NYC trade towers - the Munich killings took place in the early 1970's and yet thirty years later the bloodshed continues; thirty more years of violence by Arabs and Israelis against one another has resolved nothing.

It's a sad, sobering reality.

[billwh]

Originally Posted by critikk

I really cannot believe what I just saw.

Spielberg has had one of the most lucrative and prestigious careers that any man could have in the modern world, Not to mention capturing the imagination of a whole generation with his wonderful films bringing his visions to life in ways that stretch beyond possibilities.

What burden he must bear as a filmmaker.

Each epic film he makes has the power to write historic events into the minds of the viewer in ways beyond any experience could manifest.

With such power at his hand, wouldn't an abuse of that power be a crime against humanity itself - I ask?

This brings me to the issue I would like to raise.

The Hollywood machine has always been seen as being Jewish controlled, and when Spielberg made Schinders List - the whole world felt the pain of the Jews during those dark times. A political film? Yes. but the period was quite far into the past - and clearly enough evidence was at hand to say that the film could be an accurate story to represent that time/ events in history in a light of truth. An acceptable work of cinema art - and wonderful performances matched with a passionate effort all round.

But now, with the release of his most political film yet... Munich - it seems that his loyalties are clear. And much to my disappointment, this film goes against everything that true film makers should stand for.

Is it that after 23 films, his 24th must pay tribute to the financial forces that have helped him make the last 23 - with little or no intervention to date?... has he been pruned by the Zionists to finally show his true purpose in later life? - A cheap merchant of propaganda for the neo conservative/ Zionist world bankers, who are attempting to enslave us all into a global fascist state?

It seems Spielberg has made his loyalties clear, and they don't rest with the peaceful human beings on this planet fighting for freedom, but the evil forces at work to promote this never ending war on terrorism. He has clearly sided with the real terrorists - the establishment that hold us in constant fear to control us all and take away our potential for a peaceful future on this planet.

Artists have a responsibility at this crucial time in history. To bring us the truth, and to shine the light for humanity. - but it seems that now is crunch time - "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" as Bush bluntly puts it.

After seeing this film Spielberg has made his stance clear, which deeply disappoints me. It's a similar feeling to finding out that Michael Jackson was a child molester (not that it's true) and all of those memories that have become part of the person I am have been shattered.

This may seem rather dramatic, and hard to understand, but I hope some people can see where I am coming from.

Munich is a blatant Zionist propaganda film.

From the start to the finish, you can feel the shame in the acting - and as the controversial story unfolds.. the pro Israeli viewpoint is as clear as can be.

I accuse all involved in that film of selling their soul.... true artists - certainly not. more like mere pawns in the illuminati's agenda to brainwash us all to believe what we see and hear - and to not ask questions.. after all how could someone like Steven Spielberg tell lies... they wouldn't go to the trouble of making such a big budget film and get it all wrong, would they?

Well, the answer is not so simple.
There are so many inconsistencies in that film. Too many to mention here.
I assume whoever is reading this, has already seen the film and may have read some of the main points brought up against this film.

To make a film about one of the most controversial political events in history is asking for trouble. And to package it up with such a pro Israeli, and very obvious link to the 911 tragedy/ war on terror, is even more astounding.


The killer for me was the very last shot of the film showing the New York skyline (with the 2 towers in the background) and the text overlaid " NINE of the ELEVEN terrorists involved in the Munich killings were killed" - - Spot the Subliminal???? do they really think that we are that dumb?

If you ask me this film is an insult to the intelligence of whoever watches it... and confirms that these powerful Zionists think we are like sheep who will simply accept anything we see in the cinema.

It is also a known fact that Hollywood does screening tests on small audiences of around 200 people before releasing a film, and makes changes to the edit based on this small snapshot of people's views... do they think we are all the same (like sheep) or what???

One the other hand, I cannot believe that the new film SYRIANA, came out of the same Hollywood as this film - that film was a surprise to me, and restored some faith in Hollywood, as an industry supporting the fight for our freedom.

As we will see in years to come..... huge tragedy and intense propaganda - balanced with inspirational events, and acts that touch the human heart.

The film Munich to me was not a work of art from the heart of a true film maker, but a reluctantly made payback to the dark forces that have funded this amazing director for his entire career.... is it crunch time now to show which side YOUR on?

I think we will all be faced with this decision in the coming years... to either shut up and keep your head down, or stand up for humanity and be strong.

I will always stand up for what I believe in, when you loose this - you have nothing. Shame on you Steven Spielberg, you have turned your back on us all.. and you are too damn intelligent and talented to be excused for ignorance on this one... At least we know who's side your on now.

I wasn't looking for any kind of political theme, nor was I willing to take "sides". This is one of the most artistic, creative films I have ever seen, period. I, too, was shocked. I was shocked at how great this film is.

[critikk]

Originally Posted by billwh

I wasn't looking for any kind of political theme, nor was I willing to take "sides". This is one of the most artistic, creative films I have ever seen, period. I, too, was shocked. I was shocked at how great this film is.

The clever political messages within this film will not be obvious to the average viewer - this is the whole point. Anyone who wishes to see the hidden agenda behind this film production needs to first look closer into the american film industry and it's ties to the political establishment and the people involved.. then the motivations become clear. The person who insinuates that you simply must be looking for a political theme has a ludicrous point of view. The whole subject matter of the film addresses one of the most tender political issues in the world today, and clearly has a point of view that is neither neutral or objective.

Before you dismiss this film as propaganda, you must understand the deeper objectives behind hollywood films - and the power they have to alter peoples belief systems - when used for this purpose, they have crossed the boundary from artistic expression - into a subliminal political messaging tool for the establishment that want's you to believe a particular story about the way the world is.. when the real picture is vastly more complicated and a sinister motive is usually behind something that is forcing a viewpoint upon a person. That's the sad way of the world today, and this piece of cinema (if you can call it that!) is a blatant example of this.

I stand by my original post, and again - why pick a political angle that is bound to stir up hate, when there is a desperate need in this time to make films that inspire and promote love and togetherness? A true artist should promote creation - not destruction.

Steve

[daw]

[quote=critikk]The clever political messages within this film will not be obvious to the average viewer - this is the whole point. Anyone who wishes to see the hidden agenda behind this film production needs to first look closer into the american film industry and it's ties to the political establishment and the people involved.. then the motivations become clear. The person who insinuates that you simply must be looking for a political theme has a ludicrous point of view. The whole subject matter of the film addresses one of the most tender political issues in the world today, and clearly has a point of view that is neither neutral or objective.



I agree this movie can't help but be somewhat political given the subject matter. But the way I saw and experienced this movie, I simply did not see a heavy-handed political agenda nor did I see a heavy bias towards either side (the Israelis vs. Palestinians). I substantiate this claim based on my previous post where I specifically cite the different movie scenes that, IMHO, present both sides of this conflict. To me the main message of this movie is that violence begets more violence, that when you use violence as the tool of retribution against those that have done violence against you then you drag yourself down into the mud along with them, and you become no better than them. And I think this is true regardless of whether you look at from an Israeli perspective or a Palestinian perspective.



I stand by my original post, and again - why pick a political angle that is bound to stir up hate, when there is a desperate need in this time to make films that inspire and promote love and togetherness? A true artist should promote creation - not destruction.



I agree that one of the most important things about art is its ability to create or accentuate the positive. But I would say that sometimes art must also reflect the world as it is, sometimes art must help clarify what is at the root of things in the world that are wrong or evil. It's hard to solve a problem if it's not clear what is the root of that problem - art is one way of bringing to light those things that are most difficult to define or put into words. I feel this film achieves this by showing this conflict between Israelis and Palestinians in very stark terms, and showing how protagonists on both sides end up in the same hell-hole when they resort to violence as their only means of settling their differences. Unfortunately in this movie this means that everyone loses and the outlook is bleak - but that is exactly the reality today for the Israelis and Palestinians.

[ngdale27]

It is interesting that Critikk compares his disillusionment with Spielberg to his/her reaction to the charges against Michael Jackson in reference to which s/he quickly and parenthetically says that the charges were not true (something with which many would disagree). I suggest to Critikk that his/her reaction to Munich is very similar - it is premised - but falsely - on a gut reaction to untrue presumptions - in this case that the film is decidely pro-Zionist. To the contrary there are so very many parts within the film when the protagonist is given cause to doubt the mission he is on and the underlying premise articulated by one of his comrades that only Jewish blood matters. One example is the hallway debate with Ali the Palestinian whom he later kills, one which gives a very ample and compelling voice to the similarities between the Zionist and Palestinian perspectives. More significant is the overall and extreme alienation Avner is experiencing in the last half hour of the film, as seen in his quixotic visit to threaten the Israeli consulate if they attack his family and in the dour final meeting with Ephraim who, after unsuccessfully calling on Avner to come home, refuses traditional hospitality and walks away.

The closing vision of the doomed World Trade towers struck me as further underlining that the expensive and bloody vengeance mission that was the subject of this film failed entirely to accomplish anything because of the false premise that one can advance one's own security by undermining someone else's.

[fatguyandotherone]

Newsflash - Spielberg is Jewish. He has Jewish sentimentality and I would even venture a guess that his mother and father may be Jewish. What about Shindler's list confused you about this fact? If he were anti-Jewish, then I would probably agree with you, there is something amiss.

When are American's going to learn that Israel is fighting only for their own self-preservation. This should naturally elicit sympathy and support from anyone with a true conscience. However, we continually see people in American who live in a vacuum with no concept of what's going on in the middle east yet want to condemn Israel for protecting itself. Either study your subject or quit commenting about it.

Originally Posted by critikk

I really cannot believe what I just saw.

Spielberg has had one of the most lucrative and prestigious careers that any man could have in the modern world, Not to mention capturing the imagination of a whole generation with his wonderful films bringing his visions to life in ways that stretch beyond possibilities.

What burden he must bear as a filmmaker.

Each epic film he makes has the power to write historic events into the minds of the viewer in ways beyond any experience could manifest.

With such power at his hand, wouldn't an abuse of that power be a crime against humanity itself - I ask?

This brings me to the issue I would like to raise.

The Hollywood machine has always been seen as being Jewish controlled, and when Spielberg made Schinders List - the whole world felt the pain of the Jews during those dark times. A political film? Yes. but the period was quite far into the past - and clearly enough evidence was at hand to say that the film could be an accurate story to represent that time/ events in history in a light of truth. An acceptable work of cinema art - and wonderful performances matched with a passionate effort all round.

But now, with the release of his most political film yet... Munich - it seems that his loyalties are clear. And much to my disappointment, this film goes against everything that true film makers should stand for.

Is it that after 23 films, his 24th must pay tribute to the financial forces that have helped him make the last 23 - with little or no intervention to date?... has he been pruned by the Zionists to finally show his true purpose in later life? - A cheap merchant of propaganda for the neo conservative/ Zionist world bankers, who are attempting to enslave us all into a global fascist state?

It seems Spielberg has made his loyalties clear, and they don't rest with the peaceful human beings on this planet fighting for freedom, but the evil forces at work to promote this never ending war on terrorism. He has clearly sided with the real terrorists - the establishment that hold us in constant fear to control us all and take away our potential for a peaceful future on this planet.

Artists have a responsibility at this crucial time in history. To bring us the truth, and to shine the light for humanity. - but it seems that now is crunch time - "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" as Bush bluntly puts it.

After seeing this film Spielberg has made his stance clear, which deeply disappoints me. It's a similar feeling to finding out that Michael Jackson was a child molester (not that it's true) and all of those memories that have become part of the person I am have been shattered.

This may seem rather dramatic, and hard to understand, but I hope some people can see where I am coming from.

Munich is a blatant Zionist propaganda film.

From the start to the finish, you can feel the shame in the acting - and as the controversial story unfolds.. the pro Israeli viewpoint is as clear as can be.

I accuse all involved in that film of selling their soul.... true artists - certainly not. more like mere pawns in the illuminati's agenda to brainwash us all to believe what we see and hear - and to not ask questions.. after all how could someone like Steven Spielberg tell lies... they wouldn't go to the trouble of making such a big budget film and get it all wrong, would they?

Well, the answer is not so simple.
There are so many inconsistencies in that film. Too many to mention here.
I assume whoever is reading this, has already seen the film and may have read some of the main points brought up against this film.

To make a film about one of the most controversial political events in history is asking for trouble. And to package it up with such a pro Israeli, and very obvious link to the 911 tragedy/ war on terror, is even more astounding.


The killer for me was the very last shot of the film showing the New York skyline (with the 2 towers in the background) and the text overlaid " NINE of the ELEVEN terrorists involved in the Munich killings were killed" - - Spot the Subliminal???? do they really think that we are that dumb?

If you ask me this film is an insult to the intelligence of whoever watches it... and confirms that these powerful Zionists think we are like sheep who will simply accept anything we see in the cinema.

It is also a known fact that Hollywood does screening tests on small audiences of around 200 people before releasing a film, and makes changes to the edit based on this small snapshot of people's views... do they think we are all the same (like sheep) or what???

One the other hand, I cannot believe that the new film SYRIANA, came out of the same Hollywood as this film - that film was a surprise to me, and restored some faith in Hollywood, as an industry supporting the fight for our freedom.

As we will see in years to come..... huge tragedy and intense propaganda - balanced with inspirational events, and acts that touch the human heart.

The film Munich to me was not a work of art from the heart of a true film maker, but a reluctantly made payback to the dark forces that have funded this amazing director for his entire career.... is it crunch time now to show which side YOUR on?

I think we will all be faced with this decision in the coming years... to either shut up and keep your head down, or stand up for humanity and be strong.

I will always stand up for what I believe in, when you loose this - you have nothing. Shame on you Steven Spielberg, you have turned your back on us all.. and you are too damn intelligent and talented to be excused for ignorance on this one... At least we know who's side your on now.

[fatguyandotherone]

Newsflash - Spielberg is Jewish. He has Jewish sentimentality and I would even venture a guess that his mother and father may be Jewish. What about Shindler's list confused you about this fact? If he were anti-jewish, then I would probably agree with you, there is something amiss.

When are American's going to learn that Israel is fighting only for their own self-preservation. This should naturally elicit sympathy and support from anyone with a true conscience. However, we continually see people in American whom live in a vacuum with no concept of what's going on in the middle east yet want to condemn Israel for protecting itself. Either study your subject or quit commenting about it.

Originally Posted by critikk

I really cannot believe what I just saw.

Spielberg has had one of the most lucrative and prestigious careers that any man could have in the modern world, Not to mention capturing the imagination of a whole generation with his wonderful films bringing his visions to life in ways that stretch beyond possibilities.

What burden he must bear as a filmmaker.

Each epic film he makes has the power to write historic events into the minds of the viewer in ways beyond any experience could manifest.

With such power at his hand, wouldn't an abuse of that power be a crime against humanity itself - I ask?

This brings me to the issue I would like to raise.

The Hollywood machine has always been seen as being Jewish controlled, and when Spielberg made Schinders List - the whole world felt the pain of the Jews during those dark times. A political film? Yes. but the period was quite far into the past - and clearly enough evidence was at hand to say that the film could be an accurate story to represent that time/ events in history in a light of truth. An acceptable work of cinema art - and wonderful performances matched with a passionate effort all round.

But now, with the release of his most political film yet... Munich - it seems that his loyalties are clear. And much to my disappointment, this film goes against everything that true film makers should stand for.

Is it that after 23 films, his 24th must pay tribute to the financial forces that have helped him make the last 23 - with little or no intervention to date?... has he been pruned by the Zionists to finally show his true purpose in later life? - A cheap merchant of propaganda for the neo conservative/ Zionist world bankers, who are attempting to enslave us all into a global fascist state?

It seems Spielberg has made his loyalties clear, and they don't rest with the peaceful human beings on this planet fighting for freedom, but the evil forces at work to promote this never ending war on terrorism. He has clearly sided with the real terrorists - the establishment that hold us in constant fear to control us all and take away our potential for a peaceful future on this planet.

Artists have a responsibility at this crucial time in history. To bring us the truth, and to shine the light for humanity. - but it seems that now is crunch time - "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" as Bush bluntly puts it.

After seeing this film Spielberg has made his stance clear, which deeply disappoints me. It's a similar feeling to finding out that Michael Jackson was a child molester (not that it's true) and all of those memories that have become part of the person I am have been shattered.

This may seem rather dramatic, and hard to understand, but I hope some people can see where I am coming from.

Munich is a blatant Zionist propaganda film.

From the start to the finish, you can feel the shame in the acting - and as the controversial story unfolds.. the pro Israeli viewpoint is as clear as can be.

I accuse all involved in that film of selling their soul.... true artists - certainly not. more like mere pawns in the illuminati's agenda to brainwash us all to believe what we see and hear - and to not ask questions.. after all how could someone like Steven Spielberg tell lies... they wouldn't go to the trouble of making such a big budget film and get it all wrong, would they?

Well, the answer is not so simple.
There are so many inconsistencies in that film. Too many to mention here.
I assume whoever is reading this, has already seen the film and may have read some of the main points brought up against this film.

To make a film about one of the most controversial political events in history is asking for trouble. And to package it up with such a pro Israeli, and very obvious link to the 911 tragedy/ war on terror, is even more astounding.


The killer for me was the very last shot of the film showing the New York skyline (with the 2 towers in the background) and the text overlaid " NINE of the ELEVEN terrorists involved in the Munich killings were killed" - - Spot the Subliminal???? do they really think that we are that dumb?

If you ask me this film is an insult to the intelligence of whoever watches it... and confirms that these powerful Zionists think we are like sheep who will simply accept anything we see in the cinema.

It is also a known fact that Hollywood does screening tests on small audiences of around 200 people before releasing a film, and makes changes to the edit based on this small snapshot of people's views... do they think we are all the same (like sheep) or what???

One the other hand, I cannot believe that the new film SYRIANA, came out of the same Hollywood as this film - that film was a surprise to me, and restored some faith in Hollywood, as an industry supporting the fight for our freedom.

As we will see in years to come..... huge tragedy and intense propaganda - balanced with inspirational events, and acts that touch the human heart.

The film Munich to me was not a work of art from the heart of a true film maker, but a reluctantly made payback to the dark forces that have funded this amazing director for his entire career.... is it crunch time now to show which side YOUR on?

I think we will all be faced with this decision in the coming years... to either shut up and keep your head down, or stand up for humanity and be strong.

I will always stand up for what I believe in, when you loose this - you have nothing. Shame on you Steven Spielberg, you have turned your back on us all.. and you are too damn intelligent and talented to be excused for ignorance on this one... At least we know who's side your on now.

[guten]

Should be shame on you for hating this movie!!!!!!

Originally Posted by critikk

I really cannot believe what I just saw.

Spielberg has had one of the most lucrative and prestigious careers that any man could have in the modern world, Not to mention capturing the imagination of a whole generation with his wonderful films bringing his visions to life in ways that stretch beyond possibilities.

What burden he must bear as a filmmaker.

Each epic film he makes has the power to write historic events into the minds of the viewer in ways beyond any experience could manifest.

With such power at his hand, wouldn't an abuse of that power be a crime against humanity itself - I ask?

This brings me to the issue I would like to raise.

The Hollywood machine has always been seen as being Jewish controlled, and when Spielberg made Schinders List - the whole world felt the pain of the Jews during those dark times. A political film? Yes. but the period was quite far into the past - and clearly enough evidence was at hand to say that the film could be an accurate story to represent that time/ events in history in a light of truth. An acceptable work of cinema art - and wonderful performances matched with a passionate effort all round.

But now, with the release of his most political film yet... Munich - it seems that his loyalties are clear. And much to my disappointment, this film goes against everything that true film makers should stand for.

Is it that after 23 films, his 24th must pay tribute to the financial forces that have helped him make the last 23 - with little or no intervention to date?... has he been pruned by the Zionists to finally show his true purpose in later life? - A cheap merchant of propaganda for the neo conservative/ Zionist world bankers, who are attempting to enslave us all into a global fascist state?

It seems Spielberg has made his loyalties clear, and they don't rest with the peaceful human beings on this planet fighting for freedom, but the evil forces at work to promote this never ending war on terrorism. He has clearly sided with the real terrorists - the establishment that hold us in constant fear to control us all and take away our potential for a peaceful future on this planet.

Artists have a responsibility at this crucial time in history. To bring us the truth, and to shine the light for humanity. - but it seems that now is crunch time - "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" as Bush bluntly puts it.

After seeing this film Spielberg has made his stance clear, which deeply disappoints me. It's a similar feeling to finding out that Michael Jackson was a child molester (not that it's true) and all of those memories that have become part of the person I am have been shattered.

This may seem rather dramatic, and hard to understand, but I hope some people can see where I am coming from.

Munich is a blatant Zionist propaganda film.

From the start to the finish, you can feel the shame in the acting - and as the controversial story unfolds.. the pro Israeli viewpoint is as clear as can be.

I accuse all involved in that film of selling their soul.... true artists - certainly not. more like mere pawns in the illuminati's agenda to brainwash us all to believe what we see and hear - and to not ask questions.. after all how could someone like Steven Spielberg tell lies... they wouldn't go to the trouble of making such a big budget film and get it all wrong, would they?

Well, the answer is not so simple.
There are so many inconsistencies in that film. Too many to mention here.
I assume whoever is reading this, has already seen the film and may have read some of the main points brought up against this film.

To make a film about one of the most controversial political events in history is asking for trouble. And to package it up with such a pro Israeli, and very obvious link to the 911 tragedy/ war on terror, is even more astounding.


The killer for me was the very last shot of the film showing the New York skyline (with the 2 towers in the background) and the text overlaid " NINE of the ELEVEN terrorists involved in the Munich killings were killed" - - Spot the Subliminal???? do they really think that we are that dumb?

If you ask me this film is an insult to the intelligence of whoever watches it... and confirms that these powerful Zionists think we are like sheep who will simply accept anything we see in the cinema.

It is also a known fact that Hollywood does screening tests on small audiences of around 200 people before releasing a film, and makes changes to the edit based on this small snapshot of people's views... do they think we are all the same (like sheep) or what???

One the other hand, I cannot believe that the new film SYRIANA, came out of the same Hollywood as this film - that film was a surprise to me, and restored some faith in Hollywood, as an industry supporting the fight for our freedom.

As we will see in years to come..... huge tragedy and intense propaganda - balanced with inspirational events, and acts that touch the human heart.

The film Munich to me was not a work of art from the heart of a true film maker, but a reluctantly made payback to the dark forces that have funded this amazing director for his entire career.... is it crunch time now to show which side YOUR on?

I think we will all be faced with this decision in the coming years... to either shut up and keep your head down, or stand up for humanity and be strong.

I will always stand up for what I believe in, when you loose this - you have nothing. Shame on you Steven Spielberg, you have turned your back on us all.. and you are too damn intelligent and talented to be excused for ignorance on this one... At least we know who's side your on now.

[jd95]

I must admit that prior to viewing this film I thought that it would be such a pro-Israel movie that I was turned off to seeing it for quite a while. Now I know my own predjudices were foolish. Not only was I surprised at Spielberg's attempts to balance the two main forces here, but he went beyond what I think we should rightly expect. Not only that, but I had read that many jewish people were angry with Spielberg for not being clearly pro-Israel in this film.

Obviously there will be some bias. This should be expected. But there were many places in this film were the Jews were seen in the same light as the terrorists themselves. They were using the same tactics the terrorists were, and seemed equally bloodthirsty. Yes, Avner was very gung-ho, but then turned away and saw the truth about all the senseless killing. I wont go on and on, but I think you see the point.

This was hardly a zionist propaganda film. It was a very good, very real, and very sobering look at how violence is shaping the world.

[w@velength]

Originally Posted by ngdale27

It is interesting that Critikk compares his disillusionment with Spielberg to his/her reaction to the charges against Michael Jackson in reference to which s/he quickly and parenthetically says that the charges were not true (something with which many would disagree). I suggest to Critikk that his/her reaction to Munich is very similar - it is premised - but falsely - on a gut reaction to untrue presumptions - in this case that the film is decidely pro-Zionist. To the contrary there are so very many parts within the film when the protagonist is given cause to doubt the mission he is on and the underlying premise articulated by one of his comrades that only Jewish blood matters. One example is the hallway debate with Ali the Palestinian whom he later kills, one which gives a very ample and compelling voice to the similarities between the Zionist and Palestinian perspectives. More significant is the overall and extreme alienation Avner is experiencing in the last half hour of the film, as seen in his quixotic visit to threaten the Israeli consulate if they attack his family and in the dour final meeting with Ephraim who, after unsuccessfully calling on Avner to come home, refuses traditional hospitality and walks away.

The closing vision of the doomed World Trade towers struck me as further underlining that the expensive and bloody vengeance mission that was the subject of this film failed entirely to accomplish anything because of the false premise that one can advance one's own security by undermining someone else's.

The problem is that these scenes amount only to lip-service to the Palestinians on the part of Spielberg, and they are treated in an entirely disposable way. Because let's be honest, he probably sees them as less-than-human, as most Zionist children are brainwashed into believing.

As opposed to the sequences of violence, which are gratuitous to the point of sexual catharsis. For a Zionist.

This is to be expected from b-movies but not someone as renowned as Steve. He has inadvertently shown is true colors and it wouldn't be so bad if the movie weren't SOLD to the public as the end-all-be-all ultimatum on the Israeli-Palestinian "conflict" (see: genocide), which has been.