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09-21-2006, 02:04 PM
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Post Departed Depression
Ever since I was informed that The Departed, a film directed by Martin Scorsese and starring Leonardo DeCaprio and Matt Damon, would be released in theaters soon, I have felt a sense of melancholy. Dread descends upon me every time I see a preview for it. Not only because I know what most people in America don’t know—that The Departed is a remake of 2002’s Infernal Affairs, a Hong Kong film directed by Andrew Lau and Alan Mak—but also because they have already shown the end of the film in the preview.
I know that once this film is released, Scorsese will claim the glory that the general public is oh-so-willing to dish out. “Martin Scorsese, is a god,” they will say. That is exactly why I have developed this depression. People will see only the action, the big budget, and saddest of all, only the top layer of the plot. It is not my intention to bash Damon, DeCaprio, or Scorsese. Scorsese is no doubt the king of American gangster films and one can’t deny his accomplishments in that genre. In addition, Damon and DeCaprio have both proven to be a force on the screen. However, the poetic sub-plot and violent romanticism which made Infernal Affairs an international sensation will no doubt be lost among the normal Hollywood blood-and-guts-film making. But Infernal Affairs is a gangster film like no other. It can be said that this film simply takes place among the violence and anarchy of the Chinese Triad Mafia, but the story itself dives much deeper than films before it. Infernal Affairs weaves through human emotions letting the audience feel the intensity from within themselves. The plot intertwines humanity, hell, betrayal, and survival creating layers of depth and insight within two people’s psyche. It is purposely called Infernal Affairs, because it relates to Dante’s Inferno (Dante Alighieri). It creates a sense of self-damnation, the internal and everlasting hell that people create when they are forced to be someone they are not. Everything about the film is subtle and affective, and the actors in Infernal Affairs show what flawless and accurate characters they can portray by not overplaying their roles and keeping the audience wrapped up in what matters. Tony Leung (Chiu Wai) can capture the emotions of shock, fear, hurt, and a sense of calm all in one facial expression. One can relate to each character, good or bad and in the end the audience is rooting for every one of them. That is also why Infernal Affairs is successful; it not only creates the confusion within the characters, but also extends the inner turmoil to the viewing audience. One thing to remember is that Martin Scorsese doesn’t usually do remakes. At this stage in his career he only takes the director’s chair once a year and has been very careful in crafting projects after carefully considering his options. In fact, the closest thing to a remake he has ever made before The Departed was when Paul Newman reprised his role from The Hustler as “Fast” Eddie Felson in Scorsese’s The Color of Money. This fact alone should show the respect that one of America’s most prolific and well-respected directors has for Infernal Affairs. Please, I appeal to your artistic sensibilities, if you are interested in seeing The Departed, rent Infernal Affairs first. I can’t ask you to not go see The Departed, but I can ask you to do the same thing Martin Scorsese did. See the original film that moved him enough to really take notice and give Infernal Affairs the credit it deserves. |
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09-21-2006, 11:16 PM
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"See the original film that moved him enough to really take notice and give Infernal Affairs the credit it deserves."
It's been said a million times, this film is based on INFERNAL AFFAIRS. If that's not giving credit to the Honk Kong film then I don't know what is. And no, I have no intention of seeing Infernal before Departed. Departed comes first then I'll rent Infernal. |
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09-22-2006, 01:35 PM
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Infernal Affairs is a good, taut thriller but nothing truly spectacular. Will Scorsese improve on it? Production wise he certainly will. The Departed will be much more visually compelling (we can see this from the trailers and Scorsese's track record/tendancies in comparison with the drab look and feel of Infernal Affairs). Infernal Affairs can be turned into a solid American film. The premise is great. Griping about remakes is getting tiring. There have been many excellent remakes. When you rewrite a script entirely but it's based upon another script is that truly a remake? Just wondering.... Infernal Affairs is a good little thriller nothing more. The Departed looks to be a good Hollywood thriller nothing more. |
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10-01-2006, 12:28 AM
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Bravo Lifestyle_sm! Well said.
Another IA fan here. I agree with you that for true cinema afficiados, you have got to watch IA first, before TD. Why? Because of the simple fact that the plot for IA/TD is very original, one of the effects of this is that it wil blow you away in your first viewing. If you watch TD first, then of course you'd use the remake as a yardstick and compare IA with it, and not the other way around. And when you've already seen those brilliant plot twists in TD, when you see it again in AI, you won't be as impressed by them anymore. Comprehende? It's the same for all remakes. That's why I like to watch the originals for them first. Its my way of paying respect for the original before moving on to their flattering remakes. Maybe I can ask Dark Silencer this: Would you prefer to read the original work of Romeo and Juliet, by William Shakespeare, or the film version of it by Baz Luhrmann? |
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10-01-2006, 01:00 PM
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"But Infernal Affairs is a gangster film like no other. It can be said that this film simply takes place among the violence and anarchy of the Chinese Triad Mafia, but the story itself dives much deeper than films before it. Infernal Affairs weaves through human emotions letting the audience feel the intensity from within themselves. The plot intertwines humanity, hell, betrayal, and survival creating layers of depth and insight within two people’s psyche. It is purposely called Infernal Affairs, because it relates to Dante’s Inferno (Dante Alighieri). It creates a sense of self-damnation, the internal and everlasting hell that people create when they are forced to be someone they are not."
Yeah, if there's one thing I don't trust Scorsese to get across with subtlety, energy, and grace, it's the themes you listed. It's not as though every film Scorsese ever made dealt with humanity, hell, betrayal, and survival. Tell me something, have you ever actually seen a Scorsese movie? If there was one thing common throughout them all, it's that sense of self-damnation. Did you know that he only started filmmaking after he gave up on seminary school? Go watch some of the following films if you think Scorsese can't deal with these themes: The Big Shave Who's That Knocking at My Door Mean Streets Taxi Driver Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore The Last Waltz (somewhat) Raging Bull The Color of Money The Last Temptation of Christ GoodFellas Cape Fear Casino Gangs of NY The Aviator Notice that only four are gangster movies (Mean Streets, GoodFellas, Casino, & Gangs of NY), but all are great (except The Color of Money & maybe Cape Fear and Gangs of NY). I'm sure if it wasn't for those themes, Scorsese never would've considered doing the movie. So don't worry, it's in good hands. Last edited by pykomoose; 10-01-2006 at 01:05 PM. |
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10-02-2006, 08:02 AM
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re: Dark Silencer
actually, the departed is a REMAKE of infernal affairs. and from most of the scenes i've seen from the departed, they're almost IDENTICAL as infernal affairs. for example, when he breaks leo's armcast on the table, theres many more identicals but i wouldn't wanna ruin it for anyone.
and not only does america copy movies from asia and other countries and americans think they are so "original", they do the same with tv shows. survivor? originally a european and asian show. i could name soo many more but i think its so funny how americans sometimes see these asian or european originals and think they are copying americans. umm, its the other way around. Last edited by mylaigurl; 10-02-2006 at 09:17 AM. |
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10-02-2006, 08:59 AM
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mylaigurl: Agreed
I just noticed what nlj said earlier: Quote:
However Scorsese will 'improve' on it, I will still remain somewhat unimpressed. I mean, its pretty obvious that The Departed has taken all the core ideas from Infernal Affairs. Take that away from TD, then what else is left of it that one can credit Scorsese for? Last edited by xar; 10-02-2006 at 09:00 AM. |
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10-02-2006, 10:37 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG44XIb1Kwc
Leonardo actually credits the original actor for being "great/exceptional/intense". Respect was paid. Now stop fussing over nothing, and grow up a little. The two movies have completely different endings. If you do not want to see it...then DON'T. See how simple that is? Last edited by y2hh; 10-03-2006 at 07:40 AM. |
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10-02-2006, 10:54 AM
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Im sure if this were an asian film copying an american film, you would have the total opposite reaction. if the departed is gonna be SOO much better then IA as you claim, then why would they need to copy the idea in the first place? Im not saying the departed is gonna be a bad movie, im actually curious to see it, and i agree the actors in it are good, i like matt damon and jack nicholson personally, but that doesn't mean that great HK actors like andy lau, tony leung and anthony wong can't live up, i'd have to TOTALLY disagree with that. I think many actors in asia can act much better then many hollywood actors. Its just that many americans are too ignorant to watch an asian actor/movie that doesn't involve kung-fu, cheesy accents or another stereotype. Last edited by mylaigurl; 10-02-2006 at 11:09 AM. |
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10-02-2006, 06:44 PM
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Unlike all of the so-called "J-Horror" remakes that American movie makers continuously botch, I hope this will be the movie that FINALLY brings Scorsese an academy award. I agree- see Infernal Affairs. I'm not sure it can be topped... i can't remember the last remake of a great movie that was actually better... but if anyone CAN top Infernal Affairs, it IS Scorsese. |
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10-03-2006, 07:45 AM
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To those who refuse to admit this is a well put together movie/film, simply because they're fan boys of the original, grow up -- and to use a phrase I see fan boys of the original overusing as of late, stop being "narrow minded". If the original is so good, you need not defend it against this movie...it should be able to defend itself. |
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10-03-2006, 04:26 PM
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That really depends on whose expectations you think they surpassed. It is not going to stay 100% on the Tomatometer but it will still be pretty high, but just how much of that can you attribute to Scorcese or to the original movie's brilliance? You cannot, unless you have seen both.
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10-03-2006, 06:12 PM
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Oh yeah....since when did anyone equate drab with cool and noirish??? Last edited by nlj; 10-03-2006 at 06:14 PM. |
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10-04-2006, 01:46 AM
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I'm no hardcore IA fan. In fact, before 2 years ago, I couldn't care less about Asian cinema. And I generally like what Hollywood dishes out. Then, a friend lent me his copy of IA. With no expectations whatsoever, I plonked it into my DVD player one night, watched it, and was totally blown away by it. Basically, IA was THE Hong Kong/Asian film which converted me into an Asian cinema fan. At that time, in 2004, I honestly felt that Infernal Affairs was THE BEST cops vs mafia story I have ever seen, including Hollywood's offerings. I liked it very much mainly because it had one of the most complex and engaging plots that I have seen in a police/mafia thriller, because of Tony Leung's compelling performance, and yes, because of Christopher Doyle's great cinematography. Mate, who are you trying to convince here? The noirish look in IA was without doubt intentional. If you wish to believe it was because of a lack of funds, so be it then. But how could a film with a HK all star cast of Andy Lau, Tony Leung, Kelly Chen, Eric Tsang, and Anthony Wong face problems in attracting funding from HK producers? Christopher Doyle is one of the most renowned cinematographer in HK. Have you seen "Hero" and "In The Mood for Love"? Those were Christopher Doyle's works as well. So you are really just fooling yourself if you want to continue to belittle Mr Doyle's abilities. The reason why people are finding so much hostility for TD now is because they have actually underestimated the popularity and influence of IA among Asian movie fans, and in Asia, when it was released back in 2002. Then when Scorsese fans started belittling IA, they got shocked when all these angry replies kept appearing defending IA and berating Hollywood's great Scorsese. The thing that irritated even 'normal' IA fans like me, is the wilful ignorance of non-Hollywood cinema shown by people like njl, y2hh, Arnzilla, and like-minded people, as well as some of the critics in Rottentomatoes. Anything from Hollywood MUST be better than non-Hollywood stuff. That's just wrong. Keep an eye out for the remakes of the Korean "Oldboy" and "My Sassy Girl", coming to a cinema near you soon as well. Hollywood originality: 0 The second thing most US fillm fans don't get is the need for proper crediting of TD with IA. But I don't see why that's so hard to understand. Like I've mentioned before, most of the core ideas and plot twists are definately taken from IA. How then are those IA fans supposed to be happy with this, when Scorsese starts taking credit for those things? So be it if TD is eventually found to be better than the original. But the fact remained that MANY of its great ideas were not originally written by Hollywood scribes. It was written by the Hong Kong writers Alan Mak Siu Fai and Felix Chong, whether Hollywood likes it or not. All I'm saying is that it would be ethically wrong for just William Monahan to win a screenplay award, if he eventually does. I'll leave you with this good, balanced review of it from LoveHKfilms.com by a guy who's obviously not an all out IA zeolot fan. It gives this forum's predominantly US viewers an idea of the IA phenomenon from an Asian perspective: Excerpts: With little actual warning, the HK cops-and-robbers thriller Infernal Affairs destroyed all comers this past Christmas season. At over 55 million Hong Kong dollars, the film has gone on to become the territory's second highest-grossing local film behind Shaolin Soccer. Cries of "Box Office Miracle" were trumpeted by Hong Kong's so-called fourth estate, which advanced the opinion that Hong Kong Cinema was revived. Still, it would be preferable if a box-office revival came with an actual good motion picture. Thankfully, they pulled it off; despite some flaws, Infernal Affairs is pretty good stuff. "However, what Infernal Affairs gets absolutely right is the thrill of the chase. There are some contrivances along the way (With a molehunt going on, wouldn't the respective moles freeze physical meetings with the opposing side?), but the mounting chase between the two leading characters creates gripping cinematic tension. Likewise, the fates of certain characters are affecting, and some of the plot twists are genuinely compelling. Co-directors Andrew Lau and Alan Mak manage the film well, providing sharp, efficient direction and the presence of mind to not deviate too frequently into unnecessary filler. It probably made some people happy to throw in the obligatory romantic subplots, but the directors wisely spend little time there." "Furthermore, the cinematography (by Andrew Lau and Lai Yiu-Fai, with an assist from Christopher Doyle) is exemplary. This may be the most fittingly shot film of the year, with the dark, cool colors of the triad underworld contrasting with the stark, bright beauty of Hong Kong's daytime cityscape." Notice that this review is no lovefest. IA does have plotholes and some weak female characters. But these are just niggling things in the whole scheme of things for me anyway. Anyway, this will be my last post out of a grand total of 4  This is just getting tiring. If people do still see the need to bash IA just because they are Hollywood/Scorsese fans, then so be it. "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored" - Aldous Huxley Adios! Last edited by xar; 10-04-2006 at 03:14 AM. |
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10-04-2006, 06:51 AM
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"Like-minded" people? If you're referring to people who prefer superior film making, then yes, you can consider me like the rest of them. I've seen plenty of HK cinema, regardless of you knowing that or not, and it's 99.9% trashy underground gangsta action movies with some fancy editing and colored lighting (hence the faked "noir" feel) -- and you consider these people "great/legendary/out of the world" actors, when most of them are nothing more than hyped up action stars.
And watching a movie with subtitles -- or a dubbed track, never EVER gets across the necessary emotion of being able to understand it. So those who speak Chinese would probably enjoy Andy Lau (or whoever else), over their American counterparts...but those of us who do not, will not...because no matter what someone says, reading subtitles doesn't quite cut it -- it works -- but it's not the same. And why are we on here discussing this right now?! Because fanboys of IA came and posted it. Last I checked this was a forum for "The Departed", not for "IA", so when people come here posting about IA, expect a negative reaction to those of us who came here to discuss Departed. And while were on the topic of remakes. Everything is a remake. There are no original ideas left in Hollywood/HK or other cinema, because they've all been done, so people having to come here and point out that it's a remake is lame -- expecially when you consider they didn't hide the fact it's a remake. Hell, even Rottentomatoes lists it as Internal Affairs (RIGHT BENEATH IT ON THE MAIN PAGE). Quote:
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10-04-2006, 08:34 AM
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Yet, after serious consideration, you are probably right- NO ONE should see TD since it's going to be such an incredible piece of **** compared IA. It must be true... after all, saiga6360 says so- and who are we to doubt or debate the genious of saiga6360??? |
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10-04-2006, 01:28 PM
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I am a 'genious', compared to you. Really, I'm surprised you are shocked by this. What I am surprised at is your idiocy goes so far as to implicate me with hardcore fanboys of Asian cinema. We are talking about one movie here, right? Then you go on with your incredible foresight by predicting TD will be 'an incredible piece of ****' in my mind... wow, a seer and a mind reader! I'd say you are pretty talented... for a retard.
My statement was a reaction to the first kind of idiots in this debate, namely those who claim Scorcese's remake of IA is superior to IA when they in fact have not even seen IA. I am not one to bash Scorcese, I have a lot of respect for the guy but I also have a lot of respect to the creators of IA thus in all fairness I think Marty can only hope to equal IA with TD. |
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10-04-2006, 02:06 PM
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I never mention a lack of funds (I have no idea nor do I care, at all, how much it cost to make IA). I said that perhaps the lame visuals were a product of Doyle working with this particular director (the company he KEEPS....). The point being: WOW, when Doyle hooks up with certain directors (most notably Wong Kar Wai) it BLOWS MY FREAKING MIND and this is...blah...perhaps that WAS a conscious decision but in my mind it's the wrong one. And it's NOT noir to me visually though the story rather is. It's been a little while since I've seen IA though. Maybe I was in a bad mood the other two times. Perhaps I'll pull it out (I own the movie) and give it a rewatch. I'll let you know if I appreciate Doyle's work in IA more now... Third times the charm? |
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10-05-2006, 03:15 AM
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In light of your remark of "departed" the remake of "Infernal Affairs" i too agree, people will only see this hollywood beefed up film, i can probably gurantee there will be copeious amounts of pointless action and violence and pointless sex scenes etc. i love Asian films of all types and accidently rented infernal affairs 2 one day which got me into the trilogy, i thought they were masterpieces, and i dont agree on any website that rates either of them as only 7/10, 9/10 is a minimum for any of them hehe! i also loved it for the style it was filmed in, very atmospheric, the music and the camera style, it was like watching a documentary, made me feel like i was there experiencing what the characters were experiencing again what makes them foreign classics or world classics! Departed will merely be dramatised action scenes with what could only be fort of as a pathetic performance of the cop mole played by Decaprio, Damon though could possibly do the film some justice!
When will hollywood stop ruining these films and leave them to be remembered by just watching the originals! I hope in all honesty that this remake fails in all its entirety, especially so they will not ruin and dishonour the other 2 in the trilogy by remaking them too! Email me back if you have any further thoughts to this (demonhneo@hotmail.com) |
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10-07-2006, 12:46 AM
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i m from hong kong. just wanna say a few words
(some spoiler !) just watched TD last night and sorry , i have to say, its really disappointed me very very much. Im not a fan of Martin Scorsese. yes, some scene r almost identical to the original and even the visual is weaker in TD. (spoiler! >) when wong sir (anthony wong) fell from the building, it shocked everyone. in this one, ahh, you better compare the 2 yourself ! it just came with more blood, more bullets, more $$. the "re-make" is longer but the script do NOT improved. my girl friend said she wanted to sleep for a dozen of times but the bang-bang kept her awake :P In the original, you see how tong leung(di caprio) suffered, with 3 year a project, he has been doing it for almost 10 years (for so long so that he got the trust from the big boss eric tsang/nichloas) and its unbearable he want to quit(anthony wong promised him that this is the last cases everytime but changed his mind). in TD , he is "NEW"(nichloas said that) but he can get so close to him. so close.... for Tony leung, he secretly saluted the cops died in a duty, he still think he is a cop .for di caprio, I cant feel his pain. in most cases, i dont think hong kong actors can compare to hollywood ones'. but not in this one. and they r the best performance from the best actors in hong kong. I dont think anyone in TD came close to anthony wong in IF. I read some rave reviews about TD and said sth like "when we r talking about gangster movies, Martin Scorsese is the master... and hong kong triad movie makers learned a lot from him > so that > its a demonstration from the master now. " I agree with the fact/history, but the logic is wrong. one more thing, if you dont know, and said that they r "nobody", check out antony wong , eric tsang, tony leung, andy lau in allmovie.com , they all won best actor award in hong kong and taiwan/asia. if you said they r nobody, just boz you r some american that dont know where hong kong is. Christopher Doyle (Cinematographer) work with wong kar-wai for so long. i think he is well known in us/europe. for one of the directors andrew lau, he was just invited to shoot a korean film last year. Last edited by sbho; 10-07-2006 at 12:52 AM. |
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10-07-2006, 04:43 AM
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I'm a bit late in the discussion, but i too say Infernal Affairs is just a much better movie.
I coudn't feel for the charachters in TD, they just felt too evil and there were too many sex scenes and things. And i overall feel that the scenes in Infernal Affairs the famous high rise scene was the best and Martin Scorsce just couldn't top that. I also felt the HK version done the movie with just more finesse and a serious tone to it unlike while in the departed it's like the charachters just crack alot of joke. |
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10-08-2006, 05:19 PM
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10-08-2006, 05:51 PM
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But your point about the separation subtitles put between us and the story was one reason why I was really excited that such an admired director was taking on the remake. I thought the IA themes were so universal and thought-provoking--they have stuck with me long after seeing the movie--but I could really see replacing the Asian-based underlying themes (Buddha, Confucius, etc.) with the American equivalents. I couldn't wait for IA to be translated into something that spoke to me even more than the original...I'm still waiting for that movie. And so I am disappointed in a way that those that came to TD without expectations are not. Too bad for me. But I can't just give Scorsese a pass. His whole movie just seems so self-indulgent. Luckily in this big country, there is an audience for all kinds of movies. Go forth and enjoy this one. But those of us who love the original won't be able to stop pushing you to then see IA to see what TD could have been. Last edited by moviemann; 10-08-2006 at 06:41 PM. |
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10-08-2006, 06:37 PM
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10-08-2006, 09:36 PM
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*spoilers*
actually im not chinese, im half asian and white, so im not just some random angry chinese person venting against americans. haha.  i lived in asia for half my life so i have seen many asian movies. but i've lived in the US for half my life too so im not just pulling the bias outta my a$$.  (please dont take me too seriously)i did just get back from seeing the departed though. and everyone was right on, it sure was gory! i guess i did have some bias watching it since i've seen the IA trilogy already. just some thoughts, as with whats already been said in someone else's post, the departed just didn't feel as intelligent as IA. they kept having to remind everyone that matt and leo were moles whereas in IA they never really specified it, you had to figure it out by yourself. i didn't like the fact that the therapist played both kelly chen and sammi cheng's role. kelly chen never actually hooked up with any of them and in TD the therapist hooked up with them BOTH. kinda tacky. the whole drug scene with the asians was cheesy too. in IA, it was so much more intelligent when tony leung and anthony wong were communicating through morse code. in TD matt damon had to communicate through a text message... in his pocket?? wtf? does he have text messaging in the dark mastered or something? joke.. i didn't feel as emotional for the characters in TD as i did in IA. especially leo's character. I actually laughed quite a bit in TD because some of the scenes were a overly-acted or done, whereas in IA i dont think i laughed at all because its such a serious movie. i felt marky marks character hollywood-(ized?) the movie by having to kill the bad guy. he was a totally added character in TD, whereas in IA, anthony wong was the only one who knew the identity of tony leung, so when he got killed, it built more suspense. when he dies, everyone feels bad and they go back to the police department and it shows how angry everyone is because he's dead. when martin sheen dies, its like no one cares. when chapman to's character dies in the car, and he's telling him how he knows tony leung is a cop, he basically tells him to run before people find out because he considers him a friend, but when the mobb member in TD is dying, you dont feel that they were ever close. many scenes from TD were IDENTICAL like i've said earlier. throwing martin sheen off the top of the building, the scene were the gangsters are standing outside the pub joking about how you know which people are cops or not, leo following matt damon through the streets of chinatown (the part where matt kills the random chinese dude was unnecessary), matt using martin's phone to call leo, leo seeing the white envelope in matt's office with writing on it (citizen).. and soo many more.. IA did a good job building the relationships with the characters and making us sympathize with each character. someone on IMDB's comments noted that the american cover of IA has tony leung's ex wife on it wearing a short dress and holding a gun. in IA, she only has about a 30 second part, she never wears a sexy short dress and never holds a gun, she's actually a very gentle character! i guess this is the only way to appeal an asian film to americans? i thought her whole character (tony's ex wife) in IA was very important and heartfelt, when he meets her on the street, and sees his daughter that he didn't know he had. and when she shows up to his funeral crying. it was so sad. if i hadn't seen IA first, im sure i would have liked the departed more then i did. i WOULD recommend the film for anyone who hasn't seen IA, my 2 friends that came with me enjoyed TD very much! but i would also recommend anyone to see IA as well. its worth it i promise! and trust me, i HAVE seen many CHEESY as hell asian movies but this isn't one of them, you'll be pleased. i think the only reason asians are venting about this is because people are praising martin scorsese now for "creating a masterpiece" and such and im sure 75% or more of the people in my theatre today didn't know it was a remake, so we just want IA to be given more credit. the whole concept of the movie was awesome. ok, enough blabbing. im basically writing as things come to my mind so sorry if i dont make sense. i really never blog either so this is a pretty long post for a girl like me! good night, and good luck. Last edited by mylaigurl; 10-08-2006 at 10:19 PM. |
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10-09-2006, 06:31 AM
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"Richer story." "Deeper characters." "Universal themes." Do you have any more buzz words you'd like to drop? There is nothing universal about IA...it's a HK fan boy/gal dream movie. It's not this complex, deep film you're making it out to be. It's rather a simple action flick with a twist/unexpected ending, and most of you are making it into the second coming of Citizen Kane -- which it's not. The "expressions" on their faces?! Are you kidding me?! You call that acting? You call that a deep, rich, melodramatic character? You call that legendary directing/screenwriting? IA was, and is, an action movie. Get over yourselves. If you hate American cinema so much...stop watching it, stop paying attention to it, and stop wasting our time having to sift through your obviously biased complaints. Stop making IA into something it's not, never was and never will be. Last edited by y2hh; 10-09-2006 at 06:45 AM. |
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10-09-2006, 07:01 AM
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This thread has me rollling! Keep up the good stuff! Let's hear more about the universal themes!
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10-09-2006, 10:27 AM
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10-09-2006, 10:37 AM
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Wow, an attempted character assassination when you know absolutly nothing about me. Note I used the word attempted.
From the start of your reply, you failed, because rather than lending something useful to the conversation, you attacked me personally, when you know absolutly nothing about me. The movie is too deep for someone like me? Tell me, who exactly am I? What do I do for a living? What religion do I follow, if any? What do I hold dear to my heart? You had the guile to tell me something was "too deep for someone like me", when you cannot answer a single of the above questions. Perhaps you need to take a long look in the mirror. Because I do not agree with you on Infernal Affairs being the "greatest movie ever made", doesn't mean it's because it was "too deep for me". Idiot. Quote:
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